From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #368 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, September 21 2001 Volume 10 : Number 368 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: it's funny. laugh. [Capuchin ] RE: Radio purification [dmw ] RE: put your knuckles down, boys ["Bachman, Michael" ] TMBG Mink Car ["Ultimate Goal" ] Re: it's funny. laugh. ["Viola Rockiss" ] Nice people/Nice Music ["Poole, R. Edward" ] BeGoggled ["Viola Rockiss" ] more pictures, if anyone is interested... [lj lindhurst ] RE: Radio purification ["victorian squid" ] Re: My first post [Brian Cully ] RE: Radio purification [bayard ] Teleological Vexolology ["Viola Rockiss" ] a troika of Michaels [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: worldliness ["lucifersam" ] Re: a troika of Michaels [Tom Clark ] RE: worldliness [Jay Lyall ] Re: TMBG Mink Car [Brian Cully ] yo yo yo [Jay Lyall ] Re: TMBG Mink Car ["Ultimate Goal" ] Re: TMBG Mink Car + [Eb ] Re: TMBG Mink Car + ["Ultimate Goal" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 10:14:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: it's funny. laugh. On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, strange little woj wrote: > > > Why the Bombings Mean That We Must Support My Politics > by jsm > Based on a real story This is, if y'all didn't know, based on Eric S. Raymond's response to the attacks. He's a nutjob. He gives all programmers a bad name. And, unfortunately, he's famous. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 13:07:57 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: RE: Radio purification On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Poole, R. Edward wrote: > Sadly for them, when Jawbox broke up a few of its former members formed a > new band called... Burning Airlines. I like their first CD, though I'm not > reaching for it at the moment. they (burning airlines) have a new one, _identikit_ which i like a little better. more varied, less jawbox-y than the first. seems to be a minority opinion, so go with caution. i assume this "shapes of things to come" nonsense is just a misprint...was someone thinking of h.g. wells? ...it certainly is the gouldman tune that moore revs up. he makes a point of 'quoting' a phrase from beck's solo turn on the original (one of my all-time favorite rock guitar solos, fwiw) before piling on WAY too many notes. the jackhammer snare and alldownstroke guitar on the intro of that remake remains a guilty pleasure though. mister, you're a better man than i, - -- d. - ------------------------------------------------- Mayo-Wells Media Workshop dmw@ http://www.mwmw.com mwmw.com Web Development * Multimedia Consulting * Hosting ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 13:47:52 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: put your knuckles down, boys - -----Original Message----- From: Natalie Jane Jacobs [mailto:gnat@bitmine.net] Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 11:25 AM To: Stewart C. Russell Cc: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: Re: put your knuckles down, boys > >> Actually, this whole thing was just an excuse for me to mention > > >"Oconomowoc" in a post. It's my favorite place name after Bad Axe, > >> Michigan. > >> How can anyone like these above Knob Noster, MO? >Well, I'm a little biased. Oconomowoc is my dad's hometown, and when I >was dawdling in signing up for the SAT, my mom warned me that if I missed >the Ann Arbor test, I'd have to take it in Bad Axe, MI. I thought this >was an idle threat (and that she was making up the name), but then I >looked in the SAT booklet and found it was true! For those who never lived in Michigan, Bad Axe is in the thumb area and the Michigan Militia is located in the area. Good thing you didn't go there Natalie for your SAT. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 11:49:16 -0600 From: "SIMPSON,HAMISH (A-Sonoma,ex1)" Subject: Re: Radio putrefaction (0% WTC) Mike "Guitar God" Win sayeth: > I'm sure there is a different song with the title 'Shape of things to come' but from your > comments this is clearly a cover of the original Yardbirds song. I'd assumed the sterling effort from Slade of that name. One of their finest. Ross Taylor sayeth: > So it's supposed to be nothing airplanes, nothing violence, nothing 'everything's OK' and > nothing Rage Against the Machine. Bummer about the little known RATM b-side "Flying Ninja's (It's Alright)"! (H) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 14:16:04 -0400 From: "Mike Hooker" Subject: off topic- sony portable DAT recorder for sale hi, i thought i'd offer this to list members before i put it on ebay. i'm selling a sony D7 portable dat recorder. it has zero problems, was recently serviced and given a clean bill of health. comes with AC adapter and new battery sled. it has never failed me. if interested, let me know. i want 350.00 firm. take at look at my music trading list http://www.oe-pages.com/ARTS/Ballet/mikehooker or if it doesnt work, use this: http://pages.zdnet.com/mikehooker/hookstradingpage have fun, Mike Hooker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 12:34:22 -0600 From: "SIMPSON,HAMISH (A-Sonoma,ex1)" Subject: RE: Flags >>Who would salute a flag with lime >>green, orange, and pink stripes? >Ohmystarsandgarters, who wouldn't?!!?!? A man walks into a flag shop. Man: "I'd like to buy a Green Stars 'n Stripes." Shop keeper: "We don't stock those." Man: "What do you stock?" Shop keeper: "We have Red, White and Blue ones." Man: "Well gimme a Blue one then!" (Wah, wah, waaaaaah!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 12:01:59 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: tori bashin >From: HAL > >(Appy-polly-loggies to Tori-heads I've certainly >now pissed off. As aforementioned, I'm not really a "Tori-head" anymore, but I'm annoyed a lot less by criticism of her than I am by utterly trite criticism of her, such as: >Kate Bush ripoff >spaced-out >unnatural- open-legged-piano-bench-straddle thing and, really, just about everything else you wrote. I've never seen the Kate Bush ripoff thing (they're both chicks and they both play piano and write eccentric songs -- what a ripoff!), myself. However, it does make more sense lately than it ever did, because with every album her songwriting seems to get less personal (like Kate)... unfortunately, while Kate was clearly writing fiction, Tori seems to think she's a surrealist poet or something, and the emotional reality really isn't there. But yeah, if you're going to bash Tori, at least get some new material. There's plenty to criticize (the ego remark was on-target, at least) without rehashing stuff that's been said about her since 1992. And don't apologize for it. >From: Ken Weingold > >I hope this doesn't sound harsh, but is this "If we do x, then the >terrorists have won." thing getting out of hand? Yes, absolutely. It's driving me bats. >From: Sebastian Hagedorn >Actually "Gold Afternoon Fix" was the album that turned me off The Church. I can understand that. It took me a long time to like it. Then again, I've never really been "turned on" to the Church. I bought Priest = Aura on CD when it came out but I sold it. I bought my Gold Afternoon Fix from the cutout bin. >How much I like a band's music has for me always depended very much on how >I like them as people. I've met more bands than I ever expected to (and they were _all_ nice people), but not nearly as many bands as I like. So I wouldn't be able to apply that rule. What I hear about bands I like does color my impression of them, but most of the time I have to try to separate such issues from the music itself. Nice people don't always make good music and vice versa. >[Stereolab] > What do you guys recommend that I should get? Heh -- maybe I should send you my Emperor Tomato Ketchup. Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 15:07:14 -0400 From: "Ultimate Goal" Subject: TMBG Mink Car I dunno who mentioned it earlier, but they had mentioned that Mink Car was the best thing They Might Be Giants has done in years. In my opinion you are correct! That statement lead me to go out and buy it yesterday (and Thank YOU!) I've listened to it twice now, and am looking forward to the third. I think this is the best TMBG album since Apollo 18. I'm curious to hear what Bayard the helpful thinks of it. Quick over view of some tracks: Track 2: Cyclops Rock- To me, sounds like Chris Stamey of the dB's singing over heavier music than the dB's ever played, but somehow similiar. Track 3: Man, It's Loud In Here- I'm a sucker for octive bass lines. Disco slut. The spectacular programming is reminiscent of old Depeche Mode. Love this track. It's about a store or an airport or someplace turning itself into an overly loud dance club. Track 4: Mr. Xcitement:- Could be a Beastie Boys knock off. -Cafe- -Con- -Pan- Ridiculously absurd in a wonderful record scratching phat beat way. Full of energy like a lot of these tunes. Track 6: I've Got A Fang- I love the simplicity of this track. Well, its lyrically simplistic. Track 12: Older- Someone mentioned not liking this song. I couldn't say the same, but I don't love it. This track marks the return of the tuba! Classic TMBG. Track 13: Mink Car- 'Bachrach and David used to write favorite songs...' The music could be Burt Bachrach, easily. Fantastic and beautiful. Great horns. Solid lyrics. Track 16: She Thinks She's Edith Head- Probably my favorite on Mink Car. Great lyrics about a person who renounces all her old fashions for new ones and gets a big head over it. - -Nuppy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 19:16:36 +0000 From: "Viola Rockiss" Subject: Re: it's funny. laugh. Purile link I nevertheless enjoyed: http://www.warnerbros.com/madmagazine/madness0913.html "But cleanliness of the soul is important, dont you thee-ee-ink?" Robyn Hitchcock _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 16:10:58 -0400 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: Nice people/Nice Music >>From: Sebastian Hagedorn >>How much I like a band's music has for me always depended very much on how >>I like them as people. Drew: >I've met more bands than I ever expected to (and they were _all_ nice people), >but not nearly as many bands as I like. So I wouldn't be able to apply that >rule. What I hear about bands I like does color my impression of them, but >most of the time I have to try to separate such issues from the music itself. >Nice people don't always make good music and vice versa. I agree with Sebastian -- which is why I (sometimes) don't want to know about the personalities behind the music. It depends on the music, though - -- for singer/songwriter types, the person behind the music seems very much the point. If the songs are a window to the songwriter's soul (or something), then the content of that soul may drastically change my opinion of the music. For example, I quite liked Joni Mitchell when I was a teenager, but I haven't listened to her stuff in 15 years, partially because I discovered what an incredible egotist she is (puts the likes of Tori Amos - -- whom I do admire -- to shame). I interviewed Jonathon Richman for my college radio station (hey Susan!) in 1989 and I found him to be one of the most pompous, self-infatuated pricks I've ever run across (before or since). I haven't been able to listen to his stuff since. If I were to find out tomorrow that Robyn was a right-wing, gay-bashing, Bible-thumper, I doubt I'd ever listen to his music again. Thankfully, that seems unlikely. With other types of music -- say, punk -- the personalities don't matter to me at all. The message (where there is one) may be important, but rarely does the messenger seem to be. (Of course, there are exceptions -- Nirvana's music is intensely personal and I still love it, even if I would not have wanted to spend an evening with Kurt Cobain. Fugazi's music is both personal and political, but I've always found Guy & Ian to be pretty regular and friendly joes, on the few occasions we've met). Steve Albini is reported to be (and I have no doubts that it is true) one of the nastiest, bitterest and most misogynist people you'd ever care (not) to meet. However, this has never stopped me from loving Big Black, Rapeman and Shellac, and much of the music he has produced. >>[Stereolab] >> What do you guys recommend that I should get? Peng! Spaceage Bachelor Pad Music is good, too, but I think they peaked about 5-6 years ago, circa Peng. ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or person responsible for delivering this confidential communication to the intended recipient, you have received this communication in error, and any review, use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, copying, or other distribution of this e-mail message and any attached files is strictly prohibited. If you have received this confidential communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail message and permanently delete the original message. To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 20:27:05 +0000 From: "Viola Rockiss" Subject: BeGoggled Just found a bit of bad poetry its genius: http://www.coffeeshoptimes.com/fair.html Enjoy Kay "But cleanliness of the soul is important, dont you thee-ee-ink?" Robyn Hitchcock _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 16:39:43 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: more pictures, if anyone is interested... Once again, not anything fancy, but here are another bunch of pictures. Most of these are from the Brooklyn Heights Promenade. http://www.w-rabbit.com/wtc_sept_20/ For those who didn't see the others, they're at: http://www.w-rabbit.com/wtc lj ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 16:51:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: picture LJ just reminded me I had this picture, taken the day after the Soft Boys show back in March. Visible are woj, Eddie, Quail, Bayard, Carissa, and the Twin Towers. - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 14:34:16 -0700 From: "victorian squid" Subject: RE: Radio purification On Thu, 20 Sep 2001 13:07:57 dmw wrote: >i assume this "shapes of things to come" nonsense is just a misprint...was >someone thinking of h.g. wells? Sounds to me like they were thinking of "Shape of Things to Come" by Max Frost and the Troopers (aka Dave Allan and the Arrows). Which come to think of it, is another song people might possibly be freaked out by on the radio these days given the sort of apocalyptic feel of the lyric. I know it would probably bother me a bit more than a lot of songs on that list would, but then, I listen to lyrics :). Anyway, it's from the "Wild in the Streets" soundtrack. Some other songs that might really scare people, for anyone keeping count at home: Much Gang of Four, but especially "Anthrax" and "I Found That Essence Rare". loveonya, susan Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 17:47:43 -0400 From: Brian Cully Subject: Re: My first post On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 08:03:19AM -0700, Gregory Laustorian wrote: > I am a lurker who thinks you people here have one of the funnies, most > dysfunctional listserves I have ever seen. And what makes it really > funny--is none of you seem to notice. Pure denial. You all keep > patting yourselves on the back for being so "open." So delusional is > more like it. What a completely fab introduction. u stink but i luv u - -bjc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 15:16:56 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: RE: Radio purification the other morning my clock radio played the beginning of "Ohio", then quickly faded into something else. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 23:16:31 +0000 From: "Viola Rockiss" Subject: Teleological Vexolology James, then Ed: >Who would salute > a flag with lime green, orange, and pink stripes?). * Well, James, there's only one way to find out: why don't we run that one up the flagpole and see if anybody salutes it? Hmmm, great colors for a condom. Combo lime, Grand Mainier and strawberry. Id salute. But seriously folks, how come pretty colors aren't flag worthy;-? I think the NZ flag -should- have kiwi in it. And how much do you want to bet that the sales of red white n blue condoms are skyrocketing? (I can just see the packaging now -- "bomb your baby tonight!")(Bad taste, very very bad taste Kay, stop now. Go back to flags.) I second Ross's question bout if there is a world one. Without the celebrity musicians that is. Now to outvex even the vexilologist and show just how pedantly a pedant can ped ... HAl asked for more on Aristotle, form and teleology. tee hee. Teleos in Greek means goal, completion, perfection or purpose. The Form of an object is what makes something what it is(and thats a vast oversimplification but believe me, you dont really want to go there. Aristotle is one of the most boring writers ever. Ill never forget a sentence which began "Thus therefore then...")versus its Matter, which is potentiality which needs to be actualized by Form, in order for something to have existance, in which case Form is perceived as Essence. He differed from Plato(in one of many ways) in that he felt Form had no being independent of Essence. Meaning something had to exist in order for it to exist;-). The teleology of a thing is part of its Essence. Therefore Aristotle would explain things by determining their Teleos. I wasnt a philosophy major so Im sure I got some of that wrong. However, thats my attempt to put it all in a paragraph. And rememebr, we're talking about 2,500 years ago. Back to flags anyone? Kay "But cleanliness of the soul is important, dont you thee-ee-ink?" Robyn Hitchcock _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:23:11 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: a troika of Michaels Michael a dit: > Priest = Aura was my last Church cd. I only have three, P=A, GAF and >the one before GAF with "Under the Milky Way". Are their any others >worth picking up? well, their best CDs are Heyday and The Blurred Crusade. Sadly you picked the two worst IMHO among your three (GAF and Starfish). meanwhile, Michael said: >Interestingly Amazon is listing that particular track title as "Shapes of >Things to Come" on the UK version. Maybe Stewart or Mike G. can help out - >was this done for UK copyright reasons (re: Yardbirds)? song titles aren't copyrighted (unless, perhaps, there is a newly coined word in the title like, hm... Paranoimia). ISTR a time when there were three different songs called "The power of love" in the charts at the same time. an, Mike replies to me: >>Who would salute >> a flag with lime green, orange, and pink stripes?). > >* Well, James, there's only one way to find out: why don't we run that one >up the flagpole and see if anybody salutes it? erk. Possibly the worst three-stripe flag in the world at the moment is Armenia's red, sky-blue and orange. Oh, and Kay wrote: >HAL > >Dont know "Dave"... anyone care to join me in a quick chorus of "A bicycle built for two"? >but I believe "teleological" means something like >"moving towards an end." > Its the idea that something's future being has a sorta > magnetic attraction on its present self. It ties in with Aristotle's idea > of form. aw come on. Predeterminism was doomed to failure from the start ;) >I had the biggest wha? over "Obladi Oblada." >Then I realized "life goes on" is the prob. I never even worked that out. The nearest I could think of was that Obla might for O. bin Laden to someone with Mansonesque analytical powers. Ross asks (fool!): >James, has anyone ever come up with a World >Flag? I can imagine there may have been some >attempts that were hippie-album-cover nightmares >images of Gaia embracing a studio full of >celebrity musicians, etc. But what about just >a plain square of blue, symbolizing a planet >where conciousness has evolved so things can >feel sad? yup - there's one which is black with a blue circle and a smaller white circle against a partial yellow circle, representing the Earth and sun and moon (hi, any Midnight oOil fans!). And there's one which just has a view of the Earth from space in the centre of it. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 00:09:52 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: worldliness THIS, OF COURSE, DESCRIBES HEAVEN...;0) > Though I have to add, Germany 1 - England 5 ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 17:03:00 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: a troika of Michaels on 9/20/01 4:23 PM, James Dignan at grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: > yup - there's one which is black with a blue circle and a smaller white > circle against a partial yellow circle, representing the Earth and sun and > moon (hi, any Midnight oOil fans!). As a Love & Rockets fan, I feel slighted. Help, I'm being oppressed!! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 19:32:15 -0500 From: Jay Lyall Subject: RE: worldliness As an English friend of mine relayed after Germany had beaten England in football a while back : The German fan: So we finally beat you in your national past time. The English fan: Yeah, but we beat you in yours twice. ;-) Cheers Jay - ----------------------------- Jay Lyall http://home.swbell.net/jlyall The moon rattles like a piece of angry candy. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org]On Behalf Of lucifersam Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 6:10 PM To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: Re: worldliness THIS, OF COURSE, DESCRIBES HEAVEN...;0) > Though I have to add, Germany 1 - England 5 ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 20:40:29 -0400 From: Brian Cully Subject: Re: TMBG Mink Car On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 03:07:14PM -0400, Ultimate Goal wrote: > I dunno who mentioned it earlier, but they had mentioned that Mink Car was > the best thing They Might Be Giants has done in years. In my opinion you are > > correct! That statement lead me to go out and buy it yesterday (and Thank > YOU!) I've listened to it twice now, and am looking forward to the third. I > think this is the best TMBG album since Apollo 18. I'm curious to hear what > Bayard the helpful thinks of it. I have my autographed copy coming in from eMusic one of these days, and have been listening to it a lot. I share the same opinion: this is, hands-down, the best release they've had since at least John Henry. I'm damn fond of _Bangs_; it really smacks of old They tunage, only with a budget. _Yeh Yeh_ is just a hell of a lot of fun, and _My Man_ is another excellent return to their roots. The only track I don't particularly care for is _I've Got a Fang_, but that could just be from over-listening to it when it came out on TMBG Unlimited. _Mink Car_ is pure velvet, appropriately enough, and my only bitch is how short a track it is. - -bjc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 15:30:14 -0500 From: Jay Lyall Subject: yo yo yo Howdy folks - I just got back from about a month in the Netherlands - including a bonus round of being stranded in Amsterdam for several days - I had roughly 800 messages and decided, being a basically lazy person to delete rather than try and wade through them all - so the question is - there was a Soft Boys tree I signed on to a while back - - did the finalized version get circulated? Someone let me know so I can play catch up Cheers Jay - ----------------------------- Jay Lyall http://home.swbell.net/jlyall The moon rattles like a piece of angry candy. [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 23:16:34 -0400 From: "Ultimate Goal" Subject: Re: TMBG Mink Car >From: Brian Cully Subject: Re: TMBG Mink Car >Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 >I have my autographed copy coming in from eMusic one of these days, >and have been listening to it a lot. I share the same opinion: this is, >hands-down, the best release they've had since at least John Henry. > > I'm damn fond of _Bangs_; it really smacks of old They tunage >only >with a budget. _Yeh Yeh_ is just a hell of a lot of fun, On 3rd listen "Yeh Yeh" is one of my favs! Lots and lot-so-fun! Oh yeah, and "Hovering Sombrero" is a definate "Raymond Chandler Evening" *video* tribute. Eh? It however does not feature a late Andy Metcalfe. >_Mink Car_ is pure velvet, appropriately enough, and my only bitch >is how short a track it is. My thoughts exactly! - -B.A. Nuppy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 20:59:13 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: TMBG Mink Car + I like the new TMBG album all right, but really, I feel that everything the group has done in recent years pales next to the first four albums (self-titled, Lincoln, Flood, Apollo 18). If you tell me Mink Car is the best TMBG album since John Henry, that's faint praise to me. Even though I'd agree with you. It's not an unusual point of view, but I really wish they had never switched to the full-band format. The mad-scientist arrangements of those two-man records was a significant chunk of what I found entertaining. However, I did see the duo at Club Lingerie in their early days, and was turned off by the necessary use of backing tapes. I guess they felt the same way, and took steps to change that format. If you care, my own favorite Mink Car tracks are probably "Cyclops Rock," "Another First Kiss," "Hovering Sombrero," "Yeh Yeh," "Mink Car" and "Finished With Lies." I don't care for the techno-like background bits on songs like "Man, It's So Loud in Here," "My Man" and "Wicked Little Critta." That element's a minus. Sounds really unnatural and phony. I did a recent interview with Flansburgh -- he was kind of a headache. Nice, but a major rambler. He stuck me with about an hour's worth of tape, and it was a major pain to edit. He didn't say anything which I feel compelled to pass on. No big surprises. Random notes: I got the Bjork disc yesterday (finally). Damn, she sure doesn't rest on her laurels, does she? I'm going to need a couple more listens to figure out how much I like it. I'm a bit alienated at how restrained her vocals are throughout the album -- I wanna hear her WAIL! This one isn't going to grab me as much as Homogenic, but it's certainly impressive and unique. And by the way, if you want to know who should do an all-covers album...BJORK! Did anyone ever buy the Matthew Jay album (Draw) on Capitol? I really think it might strike a chord with several of you, particularly if you're also a fan of Nick Drake and/or Elliott Smith. I heard the Dylan album debuted at #5 on the Billboard album chart. Not bad, not bad. Especially since Mariah Carey only debuted at #7. Lordy, I grit my teeth through presidential speeches before Congress, with all those perfunctory, insincere standing ovations. What a charade. Discursively, Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 00:22:01 -0400 From: "Ultimate Goal" Subject: Re: TMBG Mink Car + >From: Eb Subject: Re: TMBG Mink Car + >Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 > >It's not an unusual point of view, but I really wish they had never >switched to the full-band format. The mad-scientist arrangements of those >two-man records was a significant chunk of what I found entertaining. I'll 2nd that. >However, I did see the duo at Club Lingerie in their early days, and was >turned off by the necessary use of backing tapes. I guess they felt the >same way, and took steps to change that format. I saw them once like this, with just the two Johns and a tape, and once as a band (actually thier 1st live band performance ever I think), and I thought the 2Johns/tape was much more entertaining, yet in a more homemade way. > >If you care, my own favorite Mink Car tracks are probably "Cyclops Rock," >"Another First Kiss," "Hovering Sombrero," "Yeh Yeh," "Mink Car" and >"Finished With Lies." I don't care for the techno-like background bits on >songs like "Man, It's So Loud in Here," "My Man" and "Wicked Little >Critta." That element's a minus. Sounds really unnatural and phony. This same sorta phoniness (beats, not words) can be found on "The Worlds a Dress" (remix) from the Lincoln days. It's funny but I never liked it when it first came out, but now I do. >Random notes: > >I heard the Dylan album debuted at #5 on the Billboard album chart. Not >bad, not bad. I was also rather impressed of what I heard of the new Dylan album. Nuppy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #368 ********************************