From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #367 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, September 20 2001 Volume 10 : Number 367 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: My first post ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: too much time on my hands [Sebastian Hagedorn ] "Saint Noam" ["Eddie Tews" ] RE: Jangly guitars (was :Re: gold afternoon fix) ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: Radio putrification ["Mike Wells" ] RE: Radio purification ["Poole, R. Edward" ] Re: Radio putrification [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Radio putrification [Michael R Godwin ] Teleological Putrification ["Viola Rockiss" ] Re: put your knuckles down, boys [Natalie Jane Jacobs ] Re: Teleological Putrification [HAL ] Re: songs and the yellow, red, blue ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: Tori Amos on Letterman last night ["C. Aaron Lowe" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 10:45:28 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: My first post JH3, a simulation, wrote: > > PS: I've been trying for 2-3 years now to spread the word > about what an awful place Afghanistan has become since > the Taliban took charge, even on this very list... Yup. Many of my wife's asylum-seeking ESOL students are from Afghanistan. It sounds like quite the worst place to be, if you're not in the Taliban (and male, but that goes w/o saying). If one innocent Afghani is killed in this proposed action, then we're as bad as the September 11 perpetrators. Given the spectacular lack of success of those who have tried to invade Afghanistan (Britain [three times!], USSR), I'm gloomy. Stewart (never been a real person in my life) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 12:48:05 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: too much time on my hands - --On Wednesday, September 19, 2001 17:29:16 -0600 HAL wrote: > By the way, just so I don't seem inexplicable AND ignorant: > > Eschatology = study of End Times > > Teleology = natural order Well, yes, but teleology actually means that you believe that all development happens towards some goal (Greek 'telos' means goal, IIRC). I first encountered that term in a course on Writing Systems. Some person (I.J. Gelb?) claimed that all writing systems develop towards alphabetic systems. Thus, syllabic, ideographic and other systems are inferior to our "perfect" alphabetic writing system(s). Of course that's bullshit, but it is an example of a teleological theory, as I learned... ;-) Cheers, Sebastian - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 22:53:07 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: oh, just about everything really HAL - I spent five minutes trying to figure out your post before I got to the erratum. 'Twas a great post, and one of the most relevant to this list in aaages. As to Cherubim, it's simply the Hebrew plural of Cherub Eb, you missed "Flesh no. 1" >Actually, this whole thing was just an excuse for me to mention >"Oconomowoc" in a post. It's my favorite place name after Bad Axe, >Michigan. I still can't get over the fact that there is a town in Western Australia called Koolyanobbin >> > You didn't comment on the "Little Piggies" track, which I didn't >> > think much of one way or the other. >> >>i forgot about it completely -- was that the harrison "piggies??". made >>little impression -- i only heard the thing once. > >No, it was an original song with "This Little Piggy" (the nursery rhyme) >as the basis of the lyric. aw. Shoulda done the Rutles song "Piggy in the middle" >I love their "There She Goes Again" almost as much as the original. >(Talk about a song begging to be done from the woman's point of view!) best retake on a song by giving it to a woman to sing and leaving the lyrics intact is Michelle Shocked's "Lovely Rita meter maid" - sitting on a sofa with a sister or two indeed! >(the song is about the 1983 downing of a korean airlines jetliner that >strayed into soviet airspace, and the tag line "two hundred and sixty nine >innocent victims have died" isn't really very a propos, but still) how many people were on the four planes in the present crisis? Pretty close to 269 IIRC >At that time I was friends with the Feelies and couldn't understand why >they disliked The Church so much. But by and by I noticed from interviews >and their behavior during shows how arrogant they are/were! They talked >about not playing in Germany anymore, because they'd only draw a crowd of >about 1.000 people there! The final straw was when Marty Willson-Piper was >the opening act during part of a Feelies tour in the US, and he never once >talked to anybody but his friends. OK, the Feelies weren't very forthcoming >towards him, either, but still I got the impression that he is a very >conceited person. > >I wonder what Robyn thinks about them. Does anybody else think that the >beginning of "Madonna of the Wasps" sounds *exactly* like the beginning of >a The Church song? Of course that's probably my favorite RH song - it >doesn't get much more jangly than that ,-) ISTR that on one occasion Steve Kilbey of the Church was asked whether he liked Robyn Hitchcock's music and said "they're pretty good for someone who sings about fish" or something like that - anyone know th exact response? I'm pretty sure I read it on this list last millennium sometime... >The latest band that has affected me that way were Stereolab. I saw them >for the first time about a week ago and I loved it. I'd only heard one >album up to then (Cobra & Phases Group...), but that hadn't impressed me >very much. According to allmusic.com it's their weakest album, so maybe >that's why? What do you guys recommend that I should get? Mars Audiac Quintet, and Refried Ectoplasm. You might also want to check out the New Zealand band Snapper, who are quite similar to Stereolab. >ps- I hope James doesn't find this post divisive or uncivil. Although I >really don't mind flag-lectures all that much. Can you come up with >something a little more deterrent? sigh. James ("speak softly and carry a wet towel") James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 12:17:49 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: put your knuckles down, boys Natalie Jane Jacobs wrote: > > Actually, this whole thing was just an excuse for me to mention > "Oconomowoc" in a post. It's my favorite place name after Bad Axe, > Michigan. How can anyone like these above Knob Noster, MO? Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:19:24 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: My first post Greg: > A Jeme says something outrageous and completely unsupportable. > B He gets called on it. Controversy, not dialog, rages. > C Jeme rewords, rethinks, hedges, implies he's being > misinterpreted, gives it a new, more reasonable spin which he > pretends is what he's always said. Silly us for not being > able to read his mind. Sometimes he even flat out contradicts > himself (as one smart poster recently pointed out by quoting > two completely contradictory posts Jeme sent on > justification) butJeme knows he can rely on all of us to be > too nice and mamby pamby to point out he's behaving like a > lunatic. And a bully. > D The controversy dies down > E Jeme says something unsupportable, etc... This is a useless oversimplification. Even Eb recognizes that. You didn't lurk long enough. However, I've been reading Greg's shit long enough to know that he likes to introduce himself by saying, "Hi, you people don't know me but here's what's wrong with you." Gotta love that. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 21:44:58 -0700 From: "Eddie Tews" Subject: "Saint Noam" hi, in case anyone is interested, i've placed a very recent noam chomsky interview regarding the events of last tuesday (and possible u.s. response) at http://www.drizzle.com/~tews/chomsky.html. this interview had been housed on Z magazine's site, which was swamped by the newest worm, and will be down for an indefinite period of time. Counterpunch, http://www.counterpunch.org, has daily updates on its site. They're usually quite good. For those living in or around seattle, check http://www.scn.org/911peace/ to get involved. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 09:43:47 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Jangly guitars (was :Re: gold afternoon fix) - -----Original Message----- From: Sebastian Hagedorn [mailto:Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de] - --On Wednesday, September 19, 2001 15:26:11 -0700 "Andrew D. Simchik" wrote: >> I dug a bunch of old cassettes out of the closet over the weekend >> and am now rediscovering a lot of stuff I haven't listened to in >> years. Now playing: The Church, _Gold Afternoon Fix_. I seem to >> recall that the second side is not as good, but the first side of >> this is so perfect right now. For my mood, that is; I imagine >> ClearChannel might recommend against playing "City" right now. Sebastian wrote: >Actually "Gold Afternoon Fix" was the album that turned me off The Church. >I'd been somewhat of a fan before, ever since I saw them at a small club in >Cologne during the "Heyday" tour - that must've been the loudest show I've >ever been to! Priest = Aura was my last Church cd. I only have three, P=A, GAF and the one before GAF with "Under the Milky Way". Are their any others worth picking up? >The latest band that has affected me that way were Stereolab. I saw them >for the first time about a week ago and I loved it. I'd only heard one >album up to then (Cobra & Phases Group...), but that hadn't impressed me >very much. According to allmusic.com it's their weakest album, so maybe >that's why? What do you guys recommend that I should get? I like the following by Stereolab, in order by my favs that I own: 1. Transient Random Noise-Burst With Announcements 2. Mars Audiac Quintet 3. Emperor Tomato Ketchup 4. Dots and Loops 5. Refried Ectoplasm 6. Peng! 7. Cobra and Phases Group 8. Aluminum Tunes 9. Switched On The Groop Played "Space Age Batchelor Pad Music" is something I havn't picked yet, but I will. The new one, Sound-Dust I don't have yet either. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 08:59:07 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: My first post On Thursday, September 20, 2001, at 04:45 AM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Yup. Many of my wife's asylum-seeking ESOL students are from > Afghanistan. It sounds like quite the worst place to be, if you're not > in the Taliban (and male, but that goes w/o saying). Like being in the Taliban is such a great thing. Actually, CNN had a one hour special on Afghanistan not long ago. It confirmed that the area that the Taliban controls is just one big prison. - - Steve __________ It is white." - George Bush, when asked what the White House is like by a student at Morningside Primary School in Hackney, East London. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 09:01:59 -0500 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Re: Radio putrification > I dunno if there are any other embarrassed former (or current) metal > maniacs are around here who followed the solo career of ex-Thin Lizzy > geetar slinger Gary Moore, but i think the us cover of _victims of the > future_ featured a recognizably new york skyline in flames (i had the > superior uk mix, thanks), and in either version t includes a song called > "murder in the skies" with the chorus lyric And a ripping version of "Shapes of Things", which is the only reason I bought the cassette in 1983. Hated Thin Lizzy, but loved that remake. And yes, the US cover was as described. Interestingly Amazon is listing that particular track title as "Shapes of Things to Come" on the UK version. Maybe Stewart or Mike G. can help out - was this done for UK copyright reasons (re: Yardbirds)? Michael who thinks you all will be glad to know Kick Axe's classic "Vices" (1984) has finally been reissued on CD! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 10:38:21 -0400 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: Radio purification I'm a bit late to this discussion -- our email server has been down for 48 hours due to some worm -- but I'm surprised no one has mentioned Brian Eno's "Burning Airlines (Give You So Much More)." (If I missed it, I'm sorry for the redundancy). Not that Eno would get played on radio, internet or otherwise, in the first place (well, maybe some of his white noise would appeal to the new agers, I dunno), but this seems to be the winner for most inappropriate song at the moment. Sadly for them, when Jawbox broke up a few of its former members formed a new band called... Burning Airlines. I like their first CD, though I'm not reaching for it at the moment. ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or person responsible for delivering this confidential communication to the intended recipient, you have received this communication in error, and any review, use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, copying, or other distribution of this e-mail message and any attached files is strictly prohibited. If you have received this confidential communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail message and permanently delete the original message. To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 15:38:54 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Radio putrification On Wed, 19 Sep 2001, dmw wrote: > ex-Thin Lizzy geetar slinger Gary Moore, includes a song called > "murder in the skies" with the chorus lyric > murder in the skies/came without a warning murder in the skies/black > september morning (the song is about the 1983 downing of a korean > airlines jetliner that strayed into soviet airspace, and the tag line > "two hundred and sixty nine innocent victims have died" isn't really > very a propos, but still) * Yes, I've seen Gary a couple of times, but he was sounding suspiciously jazz-fusion-tinted last year. Another song about the same incident is Rain Parade's excellent "Shoot down the railroad man" off their slightly disappointing "Crashing Dream" LP (I note that the cover pic is missing from http://www.rainparade.com/discography.html). [And I also see the bad news that Rain Parader Will Glenn died this year]. James flutters: > ah, the Miranda flag, used at some point by several regions that were > part of Spanish colonies of South America. There is a 'grey area' > between heraldry and flags as to colour on colour. With flags it is > acceptable as long as it's not done to a huge extent (basically there > are no formal rules, but aesthetics plays some part! Who would salute > a flag with lime green, orange, and pink stripes?). * Well, James, there's only one way to find out: why don't we run that one up the flagpole and see if anybody salutes it? > to answer that weird question from earlier, no Colombian (or > Venezuelan or Ecuadorean, for that matter) has ever won a Formula One > grand prix prior to Montoya. Only two Colombians have ever raced in > formula one: Roberto Guerrero in 1982-3 and (I kid you not) Ricardo > Londono Bridge in 1981. * That's what I wanted to know - love those interesting facts about flags! - - Mike "My name is Inigo Montoya-you killed my father-prepare to die" Godwin PS Another apposite quote from the same film: "You only think I guessed wrong - that's what's so funny! I switched glasses when your back was turned! Ha-ha, you fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders, the most famous of which is "Never get involved in a land war in Asia". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 15:56:32 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Radio putrification On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Mike Wells wrote: > And a ripping version of "Shapes of Things", which is the only reason I > bought the cassette in 1983. Hated Thin Lizzy, but loved that remake. And > yes, the US cover was as described. > Interestingly Amazon is listing that particular track title as "Shapes of > Things to Come" on the UK version. Maybe Stewart or Mike G. can help out - > was this done for UK copyright reasons (re: Yardbirds)? Weird. The US track is listed as 'Shapes of things', and the original Yardbirds song (by Graham Gouldman at a guess) begins with the words 'shapes of things before my eyes" and does not include the phrase 'shapes of things to come' anywhere in the song. I'm sure there is a different song with the title 'Shape of things to come' but from your comments this is clearly a cover of the original Yardbirds song. - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 14:57:32 +0000 From: "Viola Rockiss" Subject: Teleological Putrification Eb on radio putrification: >Or Bee Gees' "Tragedy"? How about their "NY Mining Disaster"? Which is my favorite BJs song(not that, for me, its got alot of competition, althou, if youre properly drunk "Gotta Get a Message to You" is one of the great really bad kareoke songs of all time. Themore over-the-top it gets the better.) - ------------------ Aaron: >you know who really needs to do a covers album? REM. they used to be >really good at that. From "Witchita Lineman" to the VU and that immortal take on "King of the Road." Very much agree. They have pretty much immpeccable bad/great taste(by which I mean, of course, they have -my- taste;-) so just hearing what they would choose would be fascinating. - ---------------- Feg I love Feg. It is the only ls I have ever found where Ive felt at home and in some ways Ive found it a very real home. Its the only ls Ive ever found where I felt I could be myself without having to fear sticking out like a freak. And where Ive thought the other people were well, well worth reading. Ive been on and off of here for close to a decade, which is long time for virtual time. For that I am grateful, and it therefore seems Im grateful to Jeme for presently funding it. Elvis Costello said something once bout how when you write stuff, it can tend to run away with you. So you can end up saying stuff you dont really think is true because it rhetorically sounds cool. And how thats wrong, and how growing as an artist means getting past doing that. He was talking in terms of rock n roll but it applies to the written word too. I think Greg's point that its a good idea to reread your post after writing it, before sending it, to make sure you havent let the words run away with you, is a good point. Probobly Greg should have done just that himself, since his screed was a illustrative example of someone bullying their way thru a situation without caring much for purseuasion or communication with others. Im sure he alienated more people than he convinced. And, unless that was his point, well, that makes it just the kind of post he was denouncing. - ------------------------------ HAL Dont know "Dave" but I beleive "teleological", which may or may not be spelled properly means something like "moving towards an end." Aristotle first coined it I think. Its like the Emily Dickenson quote "today makes yesterday mean." Its the idea that something'sfuture being has a sorta magnetic attraction on its present self. It ties in with Aristoltle's idea of form. Im at home right now so my handy-dandy philophical dictionary is not at hand. Im sure someone more logical than me can delete it more clearly for you. - ---------------------------- Kay, wondering when she -did- first come onto Feg. Woj, can I search the archives by my old addy? "But cleanliness of the soul is important, dont you thee-ee-ink?" Robyn Hitchcock _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 08:24:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Natalie Jane Jacobs Subject: Re: put your knuckles down, boys > > Actually, this whole thing was just an excuse for me to mention > > "Oconomowoc" in a post. It's my favorite place name after Bad Axe, > > Michigan. > > How can anyone like these above Knob Noster, MO? Well, I'm a little biased. Oconomowoc is my dad's hometown, and when I was dawdling in signing up for the SAT, my mom warned me that if I missed the Ann Arbor test, I'd have to take it in Bad Axe, MI. I thought this was an idle threat (and that she was making up the name), but then I looked in the SAT booklet and found it was true! Knob Noster is pretty damn good, though - especially if you translate it ("our knob"??). n. p.s. My next post will be about music. I swear. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 09:21:26 -0600 From: HAL Subject: Re: Teleological Putrification Kay wrote: > HAL > > Dont know "Dave" but I believe "teleological" means something like >"moving towards an end." > Its the idea that something's future being has a sorta > magnetic attraction on its present self. It ties in with Aristotle's idea > of form. Without intending to spill this CEREBUS discussion over to the Fegs List anymore than I already have, I'm really interested in the explanation you provide here. Can you elaborate on Ari's idea of Form? This seems especially relevant to some of the themes of CEREBUS (in fact, Book 14 of the series is titled 'Form & Void'. Those who seem to focus only on Cerebus' form throughout the series' long history have caused serious negative ripple/echo effects.) "Dave", BTW, is Dave Sim (creator of CEREBUS and Cerebus). /hal ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 08:54:00 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: songs and the yellow, red, blue James Dignan wrote: >Who would salute a flag with lime >green, orange, and pink stripes? Ohmystarsandgarters, who wouldn't?!!?!? > >Actually, this whole thing was just an excuse for me to mention > >"Oconomowoc" in a post. It's my favorite place name after Bad Axe, > >Michigan. > > >I still can't get over the fact that there is a town in Western Australia >called Koolyanobbin My favorite place name has got to be Fuckhead, Belgium. Brian Huddell wrote: > > A Jeme says something outrageous and completely unsupportable. > > B He gets called on it. Controversy, not dialog, rages. > > C Jeme rewords, rethinks, hedges, implies he's being > > misinterpreted, gives it a new, more reasonable spin which he > > pretends is what he's always said. Silly us for not being > > able to read his mind. Sometimes he even flat out contradicts > > himself (as one smart poster recently pointed out by quoting > > two completely contradictory posts Jeme sent on > > justification) butJeme knows he can rely on all of us to be > > too nice and mamby pamby to point out he's behaving like a > > lunatic. And a bully. > > D The controversy dies down > > E Jeme says something unsupportable, etc... > > >This is a useless oversimplification. Yeah, exactly. There are usually some record, movie, book and concert reviews in between all that other stuff. By the way, new members and lurkers, most of the dysfunction and animosity here is a ruse. We all know that when we say "fuck you," we really mean "I love you." Usually. Eb wrote: >Well, of course, no one's more likely to be banned than that controversial >expatriot Robyn Hitchcock. Maaaaaan. Goddamnit! I'm hardly one to harp on grammar or spelling, considering how infrequently I even bother to proofread an email, but this misspelling always really bugs me. Expatriates are not *necessarily* former patriots - although of course they could be. Another band I'm surprised no one brought up, on Kindercore: "I am the World Trade Center was named after a symbol of New York, the city where we got our start. The Twin Towers represented many things to us, their giant presence on the skyline reminded us every day of what an amazing and overwhelming place we were living in. Also, the two towers, equal and independent yet still one entity are a metaphor for the relationship Amy and I have developed both professionally and personally. With this said, for the time being I am the World Trade Center will be shortening our name to "I am the..." out of respect to those who have lost so much in this tragedy. The name and symbol will still live with us and in the future we hope that once again we can use our entire name which we are so proud of. As an additional show of respect, I am the World Trade Center will be donating a portion of the proceeds from the sale of their record "Out of the Loop" to the United Way of New York's September 11th Fund." - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 12:43:24 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: songs, flags etc. Clear Channel-- I had the biggest wha? over "Obladi Oblada." Then I realized "life goes on" is the prob. So it's supposed to be nothing airplanes, nothing violence, nothing 'everything's OK' and nothing Rage Against the Machine. My wife is temping at the NPR website & she say Yoko Ono emailed them regarding Imagine being on the Clear Channel list, something like "It must have been a clerical error. Nobody would ban John's song!" It seems like the Star Spangled Banner has also made that list -- has been replaced by God Bless America. Our faith-based administration, plus if we're going to war we don't want to actually *talk* about bombs bursting in air. I wish more people were more familiar with Orwell's "Politics and the English Language." Somebody could do a very interesting piece just going thru & updating all the examples he gives. - --- I've always had very mixed feelings about the Village Voice, but their music people did a bunch of reactions just now that really got to me, mostly here-- http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0138/msides.php - --- My least favorite phrase, which I find myself saying to everyone I haven't seen, spoken to in over a week: "Is everything OK?" - --- Latest favorite charity-- Windows on the World Employee Survivors Fund, http://www.npr.org/news/specials/americatransformed/resources/ - --- It's good to have access to a list where there's divided opinion but some reasonable discussion too. As a newcomer I think I hear the voices of friends who know each other well enough to fight. If anyone's keeping a tally, I'll say I'm on lefter side, perhaps resigned to what will be done in the short term, but scared shitless about the long term. We humans have gotten so *clever* about killing each other and ourselves (and what's the difference?) that I'm beginning to feel the only hope is to try to make sure no group on the planet is suicidally desperate. At any rate, while I find Nat's grandmother saying Americans are "the closest people at hand" appealing, I don't take any comfort from nation-state patriotism. It's good to be from a place and know your roots, but "flag waving" means something else. James, has anyone ever come up with a World Flag? I can imagine there may have been some attempts that were hippie-album-cover nightmares images of Gaia embracing a studio full of celebrity musicians, etc. But what about just a plain square of blue, symbolizing a planet where conciousness has evolved so things can feel sad? Ross Taylor Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 11:46:25 -0500 From: "C. Aaron Lowe" Subject: Re: Tori Amos on Letterman last night At 05:56 PM 9/19/2001, you wrote: > > I know there's some Tori fans on this list. Did anybody see her on > > Letterman? What song did she sing, and was there any reference to the WTC? *delurk* I have an MP3 of this performance up, here: http://aaron.hollowstreets.net/music.htm *gone* ~Aaron * - - C. Aaron Lowe [ mailto:aaron@hollowstreets.net ] - - http://aaron.hollowstreets.net [ my personal website ] - - http://aaron.hollowstreets.net/music.htm [ my CD-R trade list ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 12:49:38 -0400 From: strange little woj Subject: it's funny. laugh. Why the Bombings Mean That We Must Support My Politics by jsm Based on a real story Of course the World Trade Center bombings are a uniquely tragic event, and it is vital that we never lose sight of the human tragedy involved. However, we must also consider if this is not also a lesson to us all; a lesson that my political views are correct. Although what is done can never be undone, the fact remains that if the world were organised according to my political views, this tragedy would never have happened. Many people will use this terrible tragedy as an excuse to put through a political agenda other than my own. This tawdry abuse of human suffering for political gain sickens me to the core of my being. Those people who have different political views from me ought to be ashamed of themselves for thinking of cheap partisan point-scoring at a time like this. In any case, what this tragedy really shows us is that, so far from putting into practice political views other than my own, it is precisely my political agenda which ought to be advanced. Not only are my political views vindicated by this terrible tragedy, but also the status of my profession. Furthermore, it is only in the context of a national and international tragedy like this that we are reminded of the very special status of my hobby, and its particular claim to legislative protection. My religious and spiritual views also have much to teach us about the appropriate reaction to these truly terrible events. Countries which I like seem to never suffer such tragedies, while countries which, for one reason or another, I dislike, suffer them all the time. The one common factor which seems to explain this has to do with my political views, and it suggests that my political views should be implemented as a matter of urgency, even though they are, as a matter of fact, not implemented in the countries which I like. Of course the World Trade Center bombings are a uniquely tragic event, and it is vital that we never lose sight of the human tragedy involved. But we must also not lose sight of the fact that I am right on every significant moral and political issue, and everybody ought to agree with me. Please, I ask you as fellow human beings, vote for the political party which I support, and ask your legislators to support policies endorsed by me, as a matter of urgency. It would be a fitting memorial. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #367 ********************************