From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #366 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, September 20 2001 Volume 10 : Number 366 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Radio purification + [Eb ] Tori Amos on Letterman last night [Carole Reichstein ] put your knuckles down, boys [Natalie Jane Jacobs ] gold afternoon fix ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Radio putrification [dmw ] Re: Tori Amos on Letterman last night [HAL ] too much time on my hands [HAL ] Re: too much time on my hands [HAL ] Tales From The Underwater. ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: too much time on my hands ["Maximilian Lang" ] worldliness ["joe cushley" ] Re: too much time on my hands [HAL ] songs and the yellow, red, blue [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: [Quail-List] on a lighter note [Ken Weingold ] radio airplay [Carole Reichstein ] Re: radio airplay [Viv Lyon ] Re: Bye for now ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Discovery, BBC and frontline [Eleanore Adams ] Re: my first post [Carole Reichstein ] if x then the terrorists have won [Ken Weingold ] Re: radio airplay [Eric Loehr ] odds n'ends ["Russ Reynolds" ] Jangly guitars (was :Re: gold afternoon fix) [Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Radio purification + >Or Bee Gees' "Tragedy"? Well, of course, no one's more likely to be banned than that controversial expatriot Robyn Hitchcock. I mean, who else would have the nerve to write (among others) "I Wanna Destroy You," "Knife," "Grooving on an Inner Plane," "Out of the Picture," "The Cars She Used to Drive," "Young People Scream," "How Do You Work This Thing?", "Sounds Great When You're Dead," "The Bones in the Ground," "My Favorite Buildings," "Egyptian Cream," "My Wife & My Dead Wife," "Have a Heart Betty (I'm Not Fireproof)," "The Pit of Souls," "Never Stop Bleeding," "The Face of Death," "Only the Stones Remain," "Mr. Deadly," "It's a Mystic Trip," "Do the Chisel," "Chinese Bones," "Executioner," "She Doesn't Exist," "Ride," "When I Was Dead," "The Wreck of the Arthur Lee," "Then You're Dust," "Take Your Knife Out of My Back," "The Dust," "Where Do You Go When You Die?", "Daisy Bomb," and of course "Wafflehead"? Let's hope Rhino will be able to handle all the lawsuits! Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:10:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Carole Reichstein Subject: Tori Amos on Letterman last night I know there's some Tori fans on this list. Did anybody see her on Letterman? What song did she sing, and was there any reference to the WTC? I planned to watch it, but fell asleep and woke up at 1am, as is my wont. Carole ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:07:17 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: My first post >From: Gregory Laustorian >I am a lurker who thinks you people here have one of the funnies, most > >dysfunctional listserves I have ever seen. And what makes it really > >funny--is none of you seem to notice. Pure denial. You all keep >patting >yourselves on the back for being so "open." So delusional is >more like it. And you subscribed to Robyn Hitchcock group expecting normality? :-) Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:32:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Natalie Jane Jacobs Subject: put your knuckles down, boys > Whew. Can't say I didn't deserve that. > > Natalie, and all the rest of you guys--you're right. I'm sorry. It > is not fair to make such generalizations, and especially in the rude > and insulting way that I did it. I do apologize. > > it's been very upsetting and emotional around here, and it's easy to > lash out... Once again, I'm sorry. It's OK. I think everyone's feeling a little punchy right now. Actually, this whole thing was just an excuse for me to mention "Oconomowoc" in a post. It's my favorite place name after Bad Axe, Michigan. n. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:26:11 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: gold afternoon fix I dug a bunch of old cassettes out of the closet over the weekend and am now rediscovering a lot of stuff I haven't listened to in years. Now playing: The Church, _Gold Afternoon Fix_. I seem to recall that the second side is not as good, but the first side of this is so perfect right now. For my mood, that is; I imagine ClearChannel might recommend against playing "City" right now. >From: dmw > > [Rasputina EP] > >um, trying to reconstruct my reaction -- first, i thought it still rocked, >but in a very different way from the original. liked the big thick tone >on the main rhythm cello part, and the absence of bonzo's thunder. and i >thought mc's vocal delivery nicely subverted the big rawk plantisms of the >original. Hmmm...maybe I had the original too firmly in mind. I'll try it again soon. > > You didn't comment on the "Little Piggies" track, which I didn't > > think much of one way or the other. > >i forgot about it completely -- was that the harrison "piggies??". made >little impression -- i only heard the thing once. No, it was an original song with "This Little Piggy" (the nursery rhyme) as the basis of the lyric. >From: Gregory Laustorian > >I am a lurker who thinks you people here have one of the funnies, most >dysfunctional listserves I have ever seen. Not even close, man. Well -- maybe that you've ever seen, yeah. But this is one of the better lists I've been on. The "dead obvious pattern" you describe is just par for the course when it comes to Net discussion. >Why do you people put up with this pattern? He's an intelligent guy, fun to be around, good (well, sometimes :)) taste in music, and strong political views. I've disagreed with a lot of what he's said recently but I've also disagreed with other people on this list, several of whom express themselves _much_ less clearly. This was maybe not a particularly good way for you to delurk. >From: Eb > >Jeez. Your local radio stations must be a lot more conservative than mine. For all of L.A.'s faults :) they do have the best commercial radio I've heard in the States. You don't know how lucky you are. I've been amazed at how much San Francisco radio sucks. >From: Aaron Mandel > >you know who really needs to do a covers album? REM. they used to be >really good at that. I love their "There She Goes Again" almost as much as the original. (Talk about a song begging to be done from the woman's point of view!) Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 17:24:51 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Radio putrification On Wed, 19 Sep 2001, Eb quoted: > >Or Bee Gees' "Tragedy"? I dunno if there are any other embarrassed former (or current) metal maniacs are around here who followed the solo career of ex-Thin Lizzy geetar slinger Gary Moore, but i think the us cover of _victims of the future_ featured a recognizably new york skyline in flames (i had the superior uk mix, thanks), and in either version t includes a song called "murder in the skies" with the chorus lyric murder in the skies/came without a warning murder in the skies/black september morning (the song is about the 1983 downing of a korean airlines jetliner that strayed into soviet airspace, and the tag line "two hundred and sixty nine innocent victims have died" isn't really very a propos, but still) ...i have no inclination, really, to make an "i'll show you what's inappropriate music, you damned clear channel" mix tape. but if i did... ..well... - -- d. - ------------------------------------------------- Mayo-Wells Media Workshop dmw@ http://www.mwmw.com mwmw.com Web Development * Multimedia Consulting * Hosting ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 16:56:22 -0600 From: HAL Subject: Re: Tori Amos on Letterman last night > I know there's some Tori fans on this list. Did anybody see her on > Letterman? What song did she sing, and was there any reference to the WTC? No reference by Tori to the WTC. In fact, she seemed inappropriately self-possessed, but I'm not a fan so I'm guessing this is what makes her 'special'? She did the Tom Waits song 'Time' and I think she's just replaced Rod "Downtown Train" Stewart (in my mind) as the worst Waits cover singer yet. However, Dave thought it was 'beautiful' and gave her a big hug afterward. (Appy-polly-loggies to Tori-heads I've certainly now pissed off. I'm just of the 'she's a Kate Bush ripoff' school of thought and the spaced-out, egocentric, breathy-singing, oral mic fixation, unnatural- open-legged-piano-bench-straddle thing just doesn't work for me. Goddammit, that sounds unduly harsh. Again, I'm sorry.) /hal (<--ahh, what does HE know anyway? Fuckhead.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 17:01:11 -0600 From: HAL Subject: too much time on my hands We've talked a lot on this list about books which may have influenced Dave (i.e. The Unbearable Lightness Of Being, etc.) I have another: Roget's Thesaurus Now, before you think I'm kidding, check it out - I looked up 'religion' and started skimming the entries. Under the heading RELIGIOUS AFFECTATIONS > MYTHIC and PAGAN DIETIES we find 'Juno (Queen)' and 'Pluto (King of the lower world)'. Under HELL we find 'bottomless pit' and 'worm that never dies' (infinity serpent? Look up 'serpent' and find 'snake' > mythological = 'cerberus'). Under 'Mythological Hell', there is listed 'realms of Pluto', 'Erebus' and 'Cerberus'. Under ANGEL is listed 'cherubim' and 'cherubin', which kind of sound like 'mistake words' for Cerebus (ala 'toledo' > 'tuxedo'). Is there anything to this? It's certainly damn coincidental. Whatever the case, there's one thing I know for certain: second-guessing this LATTER DAYS storyline is making me crazy. On a similar topic, what is 'teleological' and 'eschatological' from the current issue? I'm guessing these are mispronunciations, but of what? 'Teleological' is nature-related and 'eschatological' is 'end-of-the-age'-related, but what are the REAL words? Or, are these purely fictional terms? I thought 'teleological' was 'theological' at first, but it seems too different (besides, theology is the study of God, not Nature). Thoughts/explanations? /hal PS - More fun facts: The aardvark and the warthog both originate in Africa. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 17:03:49 -0600 From: HAL Subject: Re: too much time on my hands Sorry! That inexplicable post was meant for the CEREBUS list. /hal (<--TOLD you he was a fuckhead!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 19:04:55 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Tales From The Underwater. Hey, As some of you may recall, I mentioned that I ws going to be working on a project for treeing. It will be composed of all the Robyn raps from the Underwater Moonlight performances of the reunion tour. I would like to begin it this weekend(editing...), one problem, I am still missing 3 shows. They are as follows: 23 April - Nottingham 24 April - Glasgow 27 April - Oxford I am aware that nobody seems to have the Glasgow show committed to tape(media?). I hope that we have a lurker who may have it and would be willing to trade a copy. I have a fairly large collection of shows to trade. Please contact me off list if you can help out. Thanks, Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 19:09:15 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: too much time on my hands >From: HAL >Reply-To: HAL >To: ghoul world >Subject: Re: too much time on my hands >Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 17:03:49 -0600 > >Sorry! That inexplicable post was meant for the CEREBUS list. > >/hal (<--TOLD you he was a fuckhead!) Now that is funny. :-) I stared at it thinking 'what did I miss'. Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 23:28:49 +0000 From: "joe cushley" Subject: worldliness Sebastian wrote... Patriotism is always wrong. Nationalism is alway wrong. Pride in your country is always wrong. I'd put 'almost' before 'always' and agree with you, Seb. Though I have to add, Germany 1 - England 5 ;-) jmbc. Oh great, Blatzman's back and he seems to have brought his mate Lurker Greg with him. Thomas Paine "My religion is man and my country is the world." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 17:29:16 -0600 From: HAL Subject: Re: too much time on my hands By the way, just so I don't seem inexplicable AND ignorant: Eschatology = study of End Times Teleology = natural order We now return you to regular programming. /hal, heading back (redfaced) to the CEREBUS list ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 11:56:11 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: songs and the yellow, red, blue >> Hollies "He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother" > >I think it's sung from the POV of orphaned brothers. Orphans aren't as >funny as they used to be. BTW I read somewhere it was written after the killing of Martin Luther King - - confirmation? Personally, I think that one or two of those songs are designed for just this sort of situation - they're not designed to make people feel worse, but to give them a mental hug. "Bridge over troubled water"? >Same reason they banned the idyllic Louis Armstrong tune. That one might also be banned to some extent because in some people's minds this may be tied too much to its use in "Good morning VietNam" >"99 Luft Balloons," though? about the start of a war, IIRC >Isn't it illegal in some/all states to have a garment largely featuring >the S&S? yes. Not that that's likely to stop anyone. There are all sorts of weird laws about the stars and stripes (but you've all been pretty good, so I won't go into the details ;) >I was watching the Italian GP at the weekend and the winning flag was a >wide yellow at the top, then narrow blue and red bands. Has this flag ever >flown for a GP winner before? It certainly doesn't conform to my ideas of >heraldic etiquette: colour on colour, ouch! ah, the Miranda flag, used at some point by several regions that were part of Spanish colonies of South America. There is a 'grey area' between heraldry and flags as to colour on colour. With flags it is acceptable as long as it's not done to a huge extent (basically there are no formal rules, but aesthetics plays some part! Who would salute a flag with lime green, orange, and pink stripes?). The yellow-blue-red was first flown by the Venezuelan revolutionary Francisco de Miranda, representing the golden lands of America separated from bloody Spain by the wide Atlantic. First hoisted in 1806, a variation of it was used by Venezuela when it declared independence five years later. Venezuelan forces helped set up the republic of Gran Colombia in the 1820s, which later split into Colombia and Ecuador, which both started using their own variants on the flag in the 1860s. Colombia and Ecuador have virtually identical flags (same design but slightly different shade of blue, and Ecuador's is longer) so to counter this Ecuador's is usually seen with the state arms in the centre. Venezuelas uses three equal stripes with an arc of seven stars in the centre. As to when one was hoisted at a Grand Prix last, I have no idea! no - let me go! - I've got more to say about flags! Put me down (sounds of scuffle and Dignan being dragged off, stage left) James PS - welcome Gregory. You've joined in somewhat strange and strained times. Jeme can be civil on a lot of topics. James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 20:06:41 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: [Quail-List] on a lighter note On Wed, Sep 19, 2001, lj lindhurst wrote: > I finally got around to putting up my pictures from Portugal, if > anyone is interested: > > http://www.w-rabbit.com/dumbstuff/portugal/ > > I make no claims as to how entertaining this is, but at least it's > not inflammatory in any way! (er, I don't THINK...) Nice, LJ. A couple of things, though. 'Garden' is spelled 'jardim'. And 100 km/hour is only about 60 mph. :) 1.6 km in 1 mile. That sidewalk in Cascais is really cool. There are a lot like that in Sao Paulo and Rio. The city of Sao Paulo has a lot of these, some with patterns of the shape of the state of Sao Paulo. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 17:22:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Carole Reichstein Subject: radio airplay This morning I heard Graham Nash's "Long Time Gone" on K103, an insufferably smarmy "soft rock" station here in Portland. I've always liked this song, but I thought the last line, "Traveling twice the speed of sound, it's easy to get burned" *was* kind of creepy to hear. But I don't think radio stations should be censoring themselves, all the same. Carole ps: and until a few minutes ago, I thought this song was by Simon and Garfunkle...I went into google and typed in a lyric to get the name of the song. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:21:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Re: radio airplay On Wed, 19 Sep 2001, Carole Reichstein wrote: > This morning I heard Graham Nash's "Long Time Gone" on K103, an > insufferably smarmy "soft rock" station here in Portland. I've always > liked this song, but I thought the last line, "Traveling twice the speed > of sound, it's easy to get burned" *was* kind of creepy to hear. But I > don't think radio stations should be censoring themselves, all the same. I've been having Stevie Wonder's "Living for the City" stuck in my head all day. I think it's somehow appropriate...especially the last lyric. "I hope you hear inside my voice of sorrow And that it motivates you to make a better tomorrow This place is cruel, nowhere could be much colder If we don't change, the world will soon be over." That last part has always choked me up, and yesterday it made me cry. I know it sounds a touch hysterical, but I really do believe that if people don't change for the better soon, we're all dead. Unfortunately, we just sent our F-16s over. Vivien ps- I hope James doesn't find this post divisive or uncivil. Although I really don't mind flag-lectures all that much. Can you come up with something a little more deterrent? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 20:21:40 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Bye for now >Fegs and Friends, > >I will certainly come back after a few weeks have passed, when I can >read the List without wanting to scream at the top of my lungs. All the best, Alan -- I wish you clarity of mind and vision, and peace. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:40:23 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Discovery, BBC and frontline If any of you guys are interested.... Discovery channels are playing a 2 hr program by the BBC about bin Labin tonight. I am sure it will rerun. The Frontline show was good. eleanore ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:50:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Carole Reichstein Subject: Re: my first post "Richard" wrote: I am a lurker who thinks you people here have one of the funnies, most dysfunctional listserves I have ever seen. And what makes it really funny--is none of you seem to notice. Pure denial. You all keep patting yourselves on the back for being the back for so "open." So delusional is more like it. Hee! This is the funniest thing I've read all day. Butch, is that you?? Carole ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 23:45:34 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: if x then the terrorists have won I hope this doesn't sound harsh, but is this "If we do x, then the terrorists have won." thing getting out of hand? Every little thing that you see questioned, about changing things, like tonight asking of they should extend Giuliani's Mayor term. One guy, I think a politician, said that if we change the rules for terms like that, then we are changing the American way of life, therefore the terrorists have won. Fuck that. Every little thing they bring up and they use this argument. I think they SHOULD extend Giuliani's term, at least until this mess in NY is cleaned up and sorted out. Considering how unified NYers have been, chatting with complete strangers as if you were old friends, this is way out of the ordinary for NYers. So you know what? This has changed NY in a big way, in one respect. Then god damn, the terrorists have won. I give up. I don't ever want to see this end. :) - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 00:43:14 -0400 From: Eric Loehr Subject: Re: radio airplay At 05:22 PM 9/19/01 -0700, Carole Reichstein wrote: >This morning I heard Graham Nash's "Long Time Gone" on K103, an >insufferably smarmy "soft rock" station here in Portland. I've always >liked this song, but I thought the last line, "Traveling twice the speed >of sound, it's easy to get burned" *was* kind of creepy to hear. But I >don't think radio stations should be censoring themselves, all the same. > >Carole > >ps: and until a few minutes ago, I thought this song was by Simon and >Garfunkle...I went into google and typed in a lyric to get the name of the >song. So much for google; I'm pretty sure it's really Nash's "Just a Song Before I Go". "Long Time Gone" is a Crosby song. Eric, erm....somewhat embarassed that he knows this... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 22:56:16 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: odds n'ends Eb: > In any case, for some *real* geographical bigotry, you might check the > Feglist archives for Jeme's and Viv's scathing blanket characterizations of > every person who lives in the Los Angeles area. Yeah, and I'd like to add that nobody from L. A. ever shows up before the third inning, and they all leave in the 7th. All of 'em. from that Kansan1225 lunatic (by way of Eb): > Averaging the two dates: ( 8 + 15 ) / 2 = 23 / 2 = 11.5, or 11, by > rounding off. Even my 8 year old daughter knows that 11.5 rounds off to 12. Other than that everything he says makes perfect sense. Eb again: > Clear Channel Bans One Hundred Songs After Tragedy. Fiction. Aaron: > Much as I hate Clear Channel, I don't see evidence > that they did anything wrong here other than being sort of dumb. There was an e-mail circulated containing a list of songs that programmers might want to think about if they were concerned about appearing insensitive to the situation. In no way was it a mandate, and as someone pointed out this stemmed from a "brainstorming session". As everyone knows, the first rule of brainstorming is "there are no bad ideas". I think the second rule of brainstorming is "throw out all the bad ideas," but judging from the song list it doesn't sound like they ever got around to step two. Basically, nobody ever said "Don't play 'Jet Airliner'". Rather, they said "if 'Jet Airliner' is a song you normally play you might want to think about whether or not your audience would feel that's appropriate in light of the situation". I realize this reads like a thinly veiled mandate, but the reality is that DJ's don't sit in a room and pick out songs for you to hear; everything is scheduled--and played--by a computer. So if, after a major tragedy, a human program director decides he wants to avoid playing songs about airlines and/or violence so as not to alienate his audience, he has to go over the entire playlist and look for songs that cross that line. The e-mail that was circulated was designed to cut down on the amount of time individual program directors would have to spend doing this, so that they could get back to their computer solitaire games and payola calls. "Oh yeah," the programmer might say when scanning the list, " 'Jet Airliner' might come across as tasteless right now. I'll put a hold on that one for a little while" "Ticket To Ride?" he might say moments later, "are these guys on crack?" That's pretty much how it went where I work. Hal: > PS - Clear Channel = hypocrites no comment. Jeme: > And check out their "leadership": > Lowry Mays, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer > Mark Mays, President and Chief Operating Officer > Randall Mays, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer ...and not one Willie in the bunch. mary: > I really don't have a lot of time on my hands but I decided to take an hour > from working to add some new images to the Soft Boys paper dolls. I've also > changed the code so you can move the boys around too. we all cope in different ways. ;) Quail: > I am going to go off-list for a while. but... Quail again: > I will certainly come back after a few weeks have passed Well, okay then. Be sure to bring beer. Gregory Laustorian: > A Jeme says something outrageous and completely unsupportable. > B He gets called on it. Controversy, not dialog, rages. > C Jeme rewords, rethinks, hedges, implies he's being misinterpreted, > gives it a new, more reasonable spin which he pretends is what he's always > said. Silly us for not being able to read his mind. Sometimes he even flat > out contradicts himself (as one smart poster recently pointed out by > quoting two completely contradictory posts Jeme sent on justification) > butJeme knows he can rely on all of us to be too nice and mamby pamby to > point out he's behaving like a lunatic. And a bully. > D The controversy dies down > E Jeme says something unsupportable, etc... Yeah? So? Weren't these rules explained to you when you signed up? Would love to see a tape of that Letterman show if anyone has a copy. Gary Condit: finally enjoying some quiet time. np: Astros 10 Giants 0. Maybe it's too soon after all. - -rUss. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 10:36:42 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Jangly guitars (was :Re: gold afternoon fix) - --On Wednesday, September 19, 2001 15:26:11 -0700 "Andrew D. Simchik" wrote: > I dug a bunch of old cassettes out of the closet over the weekend > and am now rediscovering a lot of stuff I haven't listened to in > years. Now playing: The Church, _Gold Afternoon Fix_. I seem to > recall that the second side is not as good, but the first side of > this is so perfect right now. For my mood, that is; I imagine > ClearChannel might recommend against playing "City" right now. Actually "Gold Afternoon Fix" was the album that turned me off The Church. I'd been somewhat of a fan before, ever since I saw them at a small club in Cologne during the "Heyday" tour - that must've been the loudest show I've ever been to! Anyway, I'm a sucker for jangly guitars. I still fall for those songs, even though I don't really *like* them anymore (if that makes any sense...). At that time I was friends with the Feelies and couldn't understand why they disliked The Church so much. But by and by I noticed from interviews and their behavior during shows how arrogant they are/were! They talked about not playing in Germany anymore, because they'd only draw a crowd of about 1.000 people there! The final straw was when Marty Willson-Piper was the opening act during part of a Feelies tour in the US, and he never once talked to anybody but his friends. OK, the Feelies weren't very forthcoming towards him, either, but still I got the impression that he is a very conceited person. I wonder what Robyn thinks about them. Does anybody else think that the beginning of "Madonna of the Wasps" sounds *exactly* like the beginning of a The Church song? Of course that's probably my favorite RH song - it doesn't get much more jangly than that ,-) How much I like a band's music has for me always depended very much on how I like them as people. That's why I love R.E.M., the Feelies, Yo La Tengo and, of course, Robyn Hitchcock so much. They are such nice people. The latest band that has affected me that way were Stereolab. I saw them for the first time about a week ago and I loved it. I'd only heard one album up to then (Cobra & Phases Group...), but that hadn't impressed me very much. According to allmusic.com it's their weakest album, so maybe that's why? What do you guys recommend that I should get? Cheers, Sebastian - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 21:28:58 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: winning formula to answer that weird question from earlier, no Colombian (or Venezuelan or Ecuadorean, for that matter) has ever won a Formula One grand prix prior to Montoya. Only two Colombians have ever raced in formula one: Roberto Guerrero in 1982-3 and (I kid you not) Ricardo Londono Bridge in 1981. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #366 ********************************