From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #364 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, September 19 2001 Volume 10 : Number 364 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Radio purification [Tom Clark ] Re: Radio purification [Capuchin ] Re: Radio purification [Tom Clark ] Re: Radio purification [HAL ] flags and cellos ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: flags and cellos ["ROBERTA COWAN" ] Re: Radio purification [Aaron Mandel ] updated dolls (100%SB) ["s.mary" ] Bye for now [The Great Quail ] Re: flags and cellos [Brian Cully ] letterman tonight [HAL ] Radio purification [Eb ] Re: Radio purification [Capuchin ] RE: Radio purification ["Brian Huddell" ] Fly The Flag [Ken Weingold ] RE: Radio purification [Eb ] Re: Julie [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Radio purification ["lucifersam" ] Re: Radio purification [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: updated dolls (100%SB) ["lucifersam" ] Re: beGoggled ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V10 #361 ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V10 #361 [Sebastian Hagedorn ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 16:57:47 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Radio purification on 9/18/01 4:30 PM, Eb at ElBroome@earthlink.net wrote: > [hmm...a lot of these bannings seem to be based almost *solely* on the > song's title...] > > http://www.radioink.com/HeadlineEntry.asp?hid=60287&pt=Ink+Headlines > > Radio Ink > 9/18/2001 > > Clear Channel Bans One Hundred Songs After Tragedy. > I guess I don't need to tell this list that 80% of those songs should be banned anyway, just because they suck. On a related note, my TiVO was kind enough to record "That 70's Show" for me last night, thinking it was the season premiere that was postponed from last week. Turns out it was a rerun from last season, but I was taken back by the edit I saw in the first minute before erasing it. One of the characters says something about buying fireworks, specifically "...because if it's something that blows up, I'm in!" Remarkably, they silenced "blows up"! If one of the purposes of the hijacker's mission was to alter our way of life, they are succeeding. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 17:09:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Radio purification On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, Eb wrote: > [hmm...a lot of these bannings seem to be based almost *solely* on the > song's title...] As I see it, they're either banned for some oblique reference to violence or death OR for their political anti-war/anti-corporate content. > All Rage Against The Machine songs Like this ban, for example. > Alanis Morissette "Ironic" ??? > The Beatles "A Day in the Life" > The Beatles "Obla Di, Obla Da" > Paul McCartney and Wings "Live and Let Die" > Jimmy Hendrix "Hey Joe" > U2 "Sunday Bloody Sunday" > John Lennon "Imagine" > Nina "99 Luft Balloons/99 Red Balloons" J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 17:06:38 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Radio purification on 9/18/01 4:30 PM, Eb at ElBroome@earthlink.net wrote: > [hmm...a lot of these bannings seem to be based almost *solely* on the > song's title...] > > http://www.radioink.com/HeadlineEntry.asp?hid=60287&pt=Ink+Headlines > > Radio Ink > 9/18/2001 > > Clear Channel Bans One Hundred Songs After Tragedy. > > All Rage Against The Machine songs Wait a minute - ALL "Rage Against The Machine"? Give me a fucking break!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 18:19:56 -0600 From: HAL Subject: Re: Radio purification Capuchin wrote: > > Alanis Morissette "Ironic" > ??? Plane crash reference. /hal PS - Clear Channel = hypocrites ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 17:34:23 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: flags and cellos >From: Christopher Gross > >The whole idea of not flying your own country's flag because right-wing >chauvinists also fly it seems as silly to me as the idea of not listening >to the White Album because Charles Manson liked it.... I think you understand that the American flag has been linked to a certain ideology in a way that the White Album has not been linked to a certain pathology. I know exactly what Aaron means and I feel just the same way, unfortunately. I don't know what flying the flag right now means. Is it support? For whom, for what, in what capacity? Is it solidarity? With whom, under what common cause? Is it pride? In one's fellow citizens or in some abstract concept? Patriotism is a tough concept for me. I'm sorry if that sickens or saddens you, but I also don't think it's my fault. When I first came out as bisexual I went through that ultra-queer stage so many new queers go through -- pink triangles, rainbow flags, "freedom rings," marching every year, the whole bit. It felt good for a while to feel like part of a big community. Years later I started to feel a little less excited about pretending I had lots in common with people whose only tie with me was desire inappropriately targeted vis-a-vis gender. I don't do the symbols anymore. Are they still "my" symbols? Well, sort of, in the sense that someone I never met started a fad of using them to symbolize homosexuality, and those of us who are only partly homosexual jumped on the bandwagon. I still would feel comfortable marching under them or wearing them should the occasion warrant. But the occasion rarely warrants. Just so you know this is not just more proof that Drew Hates America. >From: dmw [Rasputina EP] >for my money -- or >for rmsgf's money -- the reinvention of "rock and roll" is almost worth >the price of admission, Hmm. I don't think she reinvented it at all, or I might agree. What are you focusing on there? >and "all tomorrow's parties" was pleasant, but not >revelatory (and not a patch on nick cave's rendition either.) That reminds me -- I need to get Kicking Against the Pricks sometime. Borrowed it a long time ago, but never bought it. You didn't comment on the "Little Piggies" track, which I didn't think much of one way or the other. Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 20:57:46 -0400 From: "ROBERTA COWAN" Subject: Re: flags and cellos 18 September 2001, Drew stated: > I don't know what flying the flag right now means. Is it support? > For whom, for what, in what capacity? Is it solidarity? With whom, > under what common cause? Is it pride? In one's fellow citizens or > in some abstract concept? I was at the grocery store last night and noticed that many, even most of, the people I saw were wearing some sort of American flag symbol, whether it was a flag t-shirt or earrings or button. It struck me that they appeared to be wearing the symbol for protection, much as one might wear a cross or St. Christopher medal or any other symbol of absolute (perhaps blind?) faith. Maybe it's simply a psychological maneuver to make them at least feel less vulnerable. Thank you all for the interesting and surprisingly balanced commentary over the past week-- Roberta ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 21:10:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Radio purification On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, Capuchin wrote: > As I see it, they're either banned for some oblique reference to > violence or death OR for their political anti-war/anti-corporate > content. according to Slate, the list was the result of brainstorming by several of the program directors, and Clear Channel management sent it on to all their other stations. there's a press release on the CCC site which blusters about how they never BANNED anything. i obviously don't know if there was an implicit threat, or if, despite the dopeyness of several things on the list, they really were just trying to help. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:14:40 -0400 From: "s.mary" Subject: updated dolls (100%SB) I really don't have a lot of time on my hands but I decided to take an hour from working to add some new images to the Soft Boys paper dolls. I've also changed the code so you can move the boys around too. http://www.loona.net/shh/sb/ This page has lots of images so it may take a while to load. Enjoy... s.m n.p. Ren barking to go outside ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:20:02 -0700 From: The Great Quail Subject: Bye for now Fegs and Friends, I am going to go off-list for a while. Frankly speaking, this place is really ugly right now, and reading the List brings me more grief than solace. And I fully recognize that I am part of the dynamic that perpetuates this ugliness. In fact, part of what disturbs me is that I am developing very real negative feelings towards people I generally like; or at least, enjoy with a grain or two of salt. Rather than continue to expose myself to bad vibes that only increase my own feeling of despair, anger, and frustration, I am just going to check out of the glass hotel for a while. I have a lot of soul searching to do as a human before I really decide in my heart what it means to be an American at this time, and what response I wish support. I will certainly come back after a few weeks have passed, when I can read the List without wanting to scream at the top of my lungs. Cheers, - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:18:41 -0400 From: Brian Cully Subject: Re: flags and cellos On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 05:34:23PM -0700, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > I don't know what flying the flag right now means. Is it support? > For whom, for what, in what capacity? Is it solidarity? With whom, > under what common cause? Is it pride? In one's fellow citizens or > in some abstract concept? Patriotism is a tough concept for me. > I'm sorry if that sickens or saddens you, but I also don't think > it's my fault. I'm having the same problem, myself. On the one hand, I approve of the notion of solidarity in the American Ideal (which, I'll admit, is not the same thing as American Action), but I'm getting the distinct impression that it's being done by Jingo. And that makes me very very scared. When we start waving the flag to go to war, we're doing the same thing that we're supposed to be fighting against. They use Allah, or whatever, so they can unify behind some grand ideal that so they can sacrifice their lives and countless others of innocents because what they're doing is right. We use the flag, and in so doing we destroy the real symbol it is: one of reason, and the democracy and idealism which stem from it. When we abandon reason for justice then we've truly abandoned both. When we abandon idealism for vengance then we've struck a death blow to the very foundation of this nation. When we abolish democracy for militarism then we've given up the very freedom that we hold so dear. I've said before I'm not against a military response, and I still think that it can be a prudent course for us, but have to do it with our ideals held high, lest we become that which we fight, and in so doing lose the battle before it's even begun. - -bjc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 20:54:39 -0600 From: HAL Subject: letterman tonight Tori Amos on Late Show tonight (Tues.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 21:20:36 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Radio purification I can see the reasoning behind almost all of the bannings (usually, it comes down to violent imagery in the title, or the title sounding ironic when back-announced), but why do you think these tunes were banned? Hollies "He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother" San Cooke/Herman Hermits, "Wonder World" Los Bravos "Black is Black" Alice in Chains "Rooster" Everclear "Santa Monica" System of a Down "Chop Suey!" (the word "Down" in the band's name?) I'm not sure I've even heard "Wonder World" or "Chop Suey," and I have trouble recalling the lyrics of the others. (Remember: These are only songs banned by *one radio network*, so this doesn't mean it will be impossible to hear these songs on radio, period. A friend told me the L.A.-based stations which are part of the Clear Channel network, and they were all way too MOR/mellow to play most of the banned songs anyway!) Eb, imagining some crass DJ joke about one of the hijackers being named "Obladi Oblada" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 21:52:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Radio purification On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, Eb wrote: > I can see the reasoning behind almost all of the bannings (usually, it > comes down to violent imagery in the title, or the title sounding ironic > when back-announced), but why do you think these tunes were banned? But you understand banning _EVERY SONG_ by Rage Against The Machine? > (Remember: These are only songs banned by *one radio network*, so this > doesn't mean it will be impossible to hear these songs on radio, > period. A friend told me the L.A.-based stations which are part of the > Clear Channel network, and they were all way too MOR/mellow to play > most of the banned songs anyway!) One radio network that operates nearly _1,200_ radio stations and 20 television stations in the US alone. This group also owns the promotion company that handles U2 and 'N Sync (or however that's punctuated) and has other methods of exerting pressure on media networks. I also happen to know that they are one of the largest vendors of "spectacular/outdoor" advertising space in the country. If you want a sign on a bus or a billboard, you probably have to go the Clear Channel. And check out their "leadership": Lowry Mays, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Mark Mays, President and Chief Operating Officer Randall Mays, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer Whew... quite a little family affair. And here's the first line of their corporate "creed": We are in the business of selling goods and services for our advertising customers. Wow... talk about commitment to the public, huh? And we still allow these people BROADCAST LICENSES? I'm glad that public resource is going to the public interest. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 23:58:52 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Radio purification > Hollies "He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother" I think it's sung from the POV of orphaned brothers. Orphans aren't as funny as they used to be. > San Cooke/Herman Hermits, "Wonder World" Probably "Wonderful World", as in "Don't know much about history" etc... I can't imagine what the reasoning here is. Not that any of it makes sense. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 00:59:49 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Fly The Flag All this talk, and the recent events, I figured I would rip this song. Fly The Flag from Stiff Little Fingers. I was thinking about it all the the song came to mind, and I said, "Yeah." Sure it's from 1980. Sure SLF is from Belfast, North Ireland. Otherwise I would say the lyrics are pretty damn great. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:27:38 -0700 From: Eb Subject: RE: Radio purification >> Hollies "He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother" > >I think it's sung from the POV of orphaned brothers. Orphans aren't as >funny as they used to be. Hm. >> San Cooke/Herman Hermits, "Wonder World" > >Probably "Wonderful World", as in "Don't know much about history" etc... >I can't imagine what the reasoning here is. Oops, right. I should've realized that was a botched title. But again, it's the irony. Doesn't sound right to be singing about a "wonderful world," right now. Same reason they banned the idyllic Louis Armstrong tune. Of course, if you're Jeme, it doesn't make sense to *ever* sing something optimistic about the world. Tonight, I was intrigued by his sneering implication that a company run by a family is necessarily corrupt...gosh! And yeah, I can see why every Rage Against the Machine song is banned. Again, it's purely the superficial connotations of the words "rage against the machine." Divisive and violent...not the aura which the network wants to present. The reasoning may be prissy and shallow, but at least it's consistent throughout the list. Eb PS Poor Einsturzende Neubauten...given the meaning of the group's name, I figure they're banned from Top 40 radio for *life*. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 00:13:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Julie Brett Cooper wrote: > Did any of you hear about Real World hottie Julie Stoffer > was actually going to be on flight 11 but cancelled at the last > minute only > to find out that the flight that she was going to be on had been > hijacked > hours later? no, whoever she is. i did know that retired Georgetown basketball coach John Thompson had been scheduled to be on the plane that smashed into the Pentagon, but had delayed flying out a day when the tv show he was supposed to shoot was delayed a day as well. ===== "Loyalty to a petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul." -- Mark Twain "The divinity of Jesus has been made a convenient cover for every absurdity." -- John Adams "The jury is the last line of defense against corporate misconduct." -- Craig McDonald, Texans for Public Justice __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 08:19:09 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Radio purification Now thats a statement I can relate to! ;0) - ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Clark > I guess I don't need to tell this list that 80% of those songs should be > banned anyway, just because they suck. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 00:28:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Radio purification Eb wrote: > I can see the reasoning behind almost all of the bannings (usually, > it comes down to violent imagery in the title, or the title sounding > ironic when back-announced), but why do you think these tunes were > banned? > > Alice in Chains "Rooster" isn't this about a vietnam vet suffering with shell-shock, oops, sorry, post-traumatic stress disorder > Everclear "Santa Monica" "We can live beside the ocean, something something something blah blah blah blah blah AND WATCH THE WORLD DIE." personally, i thought "Walk Like an Egyptian" being included pathetic, and i really hate that song. ===== "Loyalty to a petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul." -- Mark Twain "The divinity of Jesus has been made a convenient cover for every absurdity." -- John Adams "The jury is the last line of defense against corporate misconduct." -- Craig McDonald, Texans for Public Justice __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 10:13:33 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: updated dolls (100%SB) that is superb..;0) - ----- Original Message ----- From: s.mary To: > http://www.loona.net/shh/sb/ > > This page has lots of images so it may take a while to load. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 10:27:51 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: beGoggled Viola Rockiss wrote: > > female Prof McGonagall(wonder if that was intentional on Rowling's part.) probably. > In penitence to my grevious sin against all, err, -underated- poets not good enough, I'm afraid. Here's "The Maggot" by Walter McCorrisken, a living Scots poet I reckon to be a near-equal to WTMcG: The maggot wends its loathsome way Across some putrid meat It has to wend its way because The maggot has no feet > The river T.., wait, no, Kay, looking for buttresses in all the wrong braces yes, well, there is always that dancing to architecture thing. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 10:42:29 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V10 #361 James Dignan wrote: > > >...the Saudi Royal family , who are seen by Saudi > >dissidents as corrupt and cow towing to the west. > > you have no idea what a wonderful mental image this created for me... same as mine? A tow hitch, a Holstein, and 10m of rope? Sheikhs pulling cattle to the west? (would that make them milk sheikhs?) > If you need a further incentive, let me tell you that as a flag expert I am > more than willing to start sending LONG, FREQUENT posts to the list about > the red, white, and blue! You have been warned! Uhoh, I'd take that as an intercontinental ballistic missive... Stewart (look, I've just come back from London on the "sleeper" train, so I'm a bit punchy.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 13:42:27 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: stars, bars, etc.--a bit late, but... - --On Tuesday, September 18, 2001 12:52:08 -0400 lj lindhurst wrote: > America IS "our side"! Don't you live in America??? Is it so *un-hip* > to you kneejerk-leftist Pacific-Northwesterners to take a little bit of > pride in your country and your people, or at least feel a surge of > gratitude at the outpouring of generosity and charity during such a > personally sad time for so many people? OK, nobody has asked me, but here's my (somewhat outside) take: Patriotism is always wrong. Nationalism is alway wrong. Pride in your country is always wrong. Unfortunately even people in Germany begin to forget this lesson that history has taught us... I do root for Germany in soccer competitions, but that's the only bit of national feeling that I allow myself. No good can come of it. It only leads to views such as yours: "our" side vs. "their" side. I'm afraid that's how wars are started. Probably I should phrase this more elaborately, but I'm at work and writing in English takes even more time than writing in general does for me... ;-) I guess the left in Germany is closer to the one in the Pacific Northwest - I wouldn't have thought so! I've been to the US several times and only on the East Coast... guess I should go to Portland next time. :-) Cheers, Sebastian - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 12:43:04 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V10 #361 On Wed, 19 Sep 2001, James Dignan wrote: > If you need a further incentive, let me tell you that as a flag expert I am > more than willing to start sending LONG, FREQUENT posts to the list about > the red, white, and blue! You have been warned! I was watching the Italian GP at the weekend and the winning flag was a wide yellow at the top, then narrow blue and red bands. Has this flag ever flown for a GP winner before? It certainly doesn't conform to my ideas of heraldic etiquette: colour on colour, ouch! Keep on t'flags, lad ... - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:07:06 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V10 #361 - --On Wednesday, September 19, 2001 12:43:04 +0100 Michael R Godwin wrote: > I was watching the Italian GP at the weekend and the winning flag was a > wide yellow at the top, then narrow blue and red bands. Has this flag ever > flown for a GP winner before? It certainly doesn't conform to my ideas of > heraldic etiquette: colour on colour, ouch! That's the flag of Colombia. ISTR that I was that countrie's first GP victory. I actually like that color combination. I once had a friend from Colombia. Her father was German and her mother from Colombia. She married a Spaniard (is that correct?) and moved to Sevilla because to her that was the middle ground between Colombia and Germany... Cheers, Sebastian - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 22:33:22 +0930 From: minister of misinformation Subject: re:Smither in Australia (no RH content) >FYI thought that the "down under" fegs might be interested to see Chris >Smither is playing Australia in October. I went to see him last year when he was here for the festival ( and recorded the show as well ) but I found him a little too laid back for my liking, very good, but a bit samey. Most of my friends thought the same , but its good to see him returning , he had a healthy audience last tour and I think he will do pretty well on the return- however I'm saving my pennies to see Paul Kelly and the Cruel Sea in Oct ( which I hope to record as well ) , so I will give him a miss this time round . Commander L ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 08:09:48 -0500 From: "Sweet & Tender Hooligan" Subject: one /good/ thing to come out of the attacks Oasis' Liam Gallagher Vows Never Go Back to U.S. September 19, 2001 8:24 am EST LONDON (Reuters) - Oasis frontman Liam Gallagher has vowed never to return to the United States in the wake of last week's suicide attacks on New York and the Pentagon. "I ain't ... going to New York again. I'm never going to America again man," the singer told New Musical Express (NME) magazine on its Web site nme.com. "I'm staying put. I ain't getting on a plane for a long time," he added. Gallagher -- who recently became the father to a baby boy, Gene, with former All Saint Nicole Appleton -- and his brother Noel expressed horror and disbelief at the assault on the World Trade Center. Oasis's press manager sought to distance the band from Gallagher's remarks, saying they were made in the aftermath of the attacks and would not interfere with Oasis's plans for touring in the future. "Liam's remarks about flying were clearly a perfectly understandable human reaction," she told Reuters. - - s&th cirhsein@yahoo.com "I used to have a nightmare that I was being chased through bushes and fronds by the skipper from "Gilligan's Island." I don't know what was on his mind, but it wasn't good and I didn't want anything to do with it." - Johnny Depp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:16:22 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: one /good/ thing to come out of the attacks >Oasis' Liam Gallagher Vows Never Go Back to U.S. >September 19, 2001 8:24 am EST > >LONDON (Reuters) - Oasis frontman Liam Gallagher has vowed never to return >to the United States in the wake of last week's suicide attacks on New York >and the Pentagon. > "I ain't ... going to New York again. I'm never going to America again >man," the singer told New Musical Express (NME) magazine on its Web site >nme.com. "I'm staying put. I ain't getting on a plane for a long time," he >added. > Gallagher -- who recently became the father to a baby boy, Gene, with >former All Saint Nicole Appleton -- and his brother Noel expressed horror >and disbelief at the assault on the World Trade Center. > Oasis's press manager sought to distance the band from Gallagher's >remarks, saying they were made in the aftermath of the attacks and would not >interfere with Oasis's plans for touring in the future. > "Liam's remarks about flying were clearly a perfectly understandable >human >reaction," she told Reuters. Poor Liam! He's in SHOCK and can't be held accountable for what he says. Poor dear. I wonder if Gallagher babies have unibrows too? lj <--who knows you enjoy tormenting me this way woj you big "dork" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:17:02 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: one /good/ thing to come out of the attacks >Oasis' Liam Gallagher Vows Never Go Back to U.S. >September 19, 2001 8:24 am EST oh whoops, I thought that was woj who sent that originally! My apologies... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:42:36 -0400 From: strange little woj Subject: Re: one /good/ thing to come out of the attacks when we last left our heroes, lj lindhurst exclaimed: >oh whoops, I thought that was woj who sent that originally! My apologies... that's okay, lj. my days just don't start off on the right foot unless you call me a big dork. +w ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 10:13:54 -0400 From: strange little woj Subject: Re: music when we last left our heroes, Andrew D. Simchik exclaimed: >This is the first Tori Amos album I'm not planning to rush out and buy. i was slipped an early mix of the album in july or so ago but i still went out and picked up a copy yesterday anyways (toriphile that i am). i haven't latched on to the album yet and don't expect to. the cover concept is my stumbling block -- despite the fact that her covers have typically been remarkable, an whole album's worth doesn't appeal much to me and the "female perspective on male songs" does seem like a spin job to dress up a covers album. that said, there is some good material here: "'97 bonnie & clyde" is (appropriately) eerie and discomforting, the stripped back "enjoy the silence" , and "happiness is a warm gun", despite the somewhat overbearing gun control message, grooves nicely. tom waits' "time" and joe jackson's "real men" (she doesn't change the words, drew) are ideal songs for her. for some reason i can't explain, i really like her version of lloyd cole's "rattlesnakes" too. so, while i was hoping for original material to see how all that had gone on in her life recently (marriage, childbirth, etc.) would affect her songwriting, this isn't a bad effort. it's just not a major one. woj ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #364 ********************************