From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #338 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, September 11 2001 Volume 10 : Number 338 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: sadness [Ken Weingold ] Quail checking in with LJ's account! [lj lindhurst ] Re: Quail checking in with LJ's account! [strange little woj ] RE: today's news [Sebastian Hagedorn ] WTC question for anyone but the list devil [Eb ] RE: today's news [Viv Lyon ] Where's Natalie? [] Re: WTC question for anyone but the list devil [strange little woj ] RE: today's news ["Poole, R. Edward" ] RE: today's news ["Maximilian Lang" ] wow [Eb ] gNat [The Great Quail ] To justify or not to justify? (was Re: today's news) [Alfred Masciocchi <] sadness [Michael Wolfe ] Re: To justify or not to justify? (was Re: today's news) [Capuchin ] RE: To justify or not to justify? (was Re: today's news) ["Brian Huddell"] delete delete delete [BLATZMAN@aol.com] WTC video and photos [Ken Weingold ] Re: delete delete delete ["victorian squid" ] Re: delete delete delete [Capuchin ] Re: sadness ["lucifersam" ] Re: Means ["lucifersam" ] Re: WTC video and photos ["Maximilian Lang" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:38:22 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: sadness On Tue, Sep 11, 2001, Capuchin wrote: > > Hope we hear from Allen and LJ soon(thanks Scary Mary for checking > > in.) And hope none of you had anyone you cared about flying today. Or > > have found out that they touched down safely. > > What about Ken Weingold? And are we sure Gnat's OK? Who else? Jeme, thanks for thinking of me. As I think I said, I was home sick in Brooklyn today, though I work in Manhattan. I cannot even comprehend what things will be like in the coming days and weeks, and it absolutely pains me to think of when I go back to work that when I look down towards lower Manhattan and not seeing the twin towers and think of the loss of lives that came with it. Absolutely spooky. Last I saw of it was from my roof, when they were still standing, with a tremendous amount of smoke engulfing them. I'm scared to go see it now. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:47:32 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Quail checking in with LJ's account! - -- Hey guys.... Actually, I only work at Columbia once or twice a week. Today I was in our "downtown" office -- the building right next to the Empire State Building on 34th and Fifth. Needless to say, we were quickly evacuated. I then began a three hour trek downtown -- to the disaster area -- so I could walk home across the Brooklyn Bridge. On the way down, I saw the second tower collapse. I was at about 14th street and Fifth Avenue, which was a safe distance, but close enough that I felt it hit the ground. You've all seen the images by now, so you have a basic idea of what it looked like. In person, it was a very surreal and horrifying sight, with people on the street screaming and crying. I can't describe it in any other way that it seemed like reality was just being *violated* in front of my eyes. The oddest thing for me was that the people watching were yelling out, No! No!," which for a second really seemed to make sense. When I finally made it downtown, I saw more and more people covered in ash, and the police were everywhere. One policewoman was taking a break, sobbing alone in a corner. The reactions were strange -- some people were weeping, some muttering and cursing, a few even laughing. Most people just looked stunned. I think that's how I must have appeared, though when I saw the tower collapse, I burst into tears and sat for a while to regain my composure. I swear to God I never even imagined the sights I've seen today, the people, the terror. I kept thinking it was just like a movie, but it was a lot stranger -- every few minutes some new random weirdness would intrude. There was no continuity to it, which was how I kept knowing it wasn't a movie - -- you know, no director would think to add small details like all the delivery vans stopped with radios turned up to the same channel, or the thousands of cellphones, or the lost Jehovah Witnesses, their suits and dresses covered head to toe in white ash, asking politely for directions to the Manhattan Bridge. I can safely say this was the single most frightening event I have ever witnessed. Of course, if the Empire State Building were a target, I'd be dead. As it is, most New Yorkers are just starting to realize that most of us will probably find out were at least vaguely knew someone who died. Scary Mary, too, had a similar journey, though she was even closer -- she works in the Financial District. I can't even *guess* how it all seemed to her. Much worse, she was in the heart of it. We both finally walked across a bridge and made it home. It's weird here too, at our place. Mary is here, me & LJ, and most of our friends. People are still calling. Anyway, I will post longer, later. I'm still a bit in shock, I think. It's just so weird. But we are all ok. Best, - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:55:56 -0400 From: strange little woj Subject: Re: Quail checking in with LJ's account! glad lj, mary, quail, ken are alright. how about the other nyc fegs? qrys? jeffery? who else? woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:03:20 -0400 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: today's news On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Maximilian Lang wrote: >> Maybe this is not the time to argue politics. JEME: >I would argue that this is EXACTLY the time to analyze policy and see what >we can do to improve the situation so that nobody becomes this desperate >again. Again with the "we drove them to it" rhetoric. Puh-lease, you don't even know who "they" are, but you are so sure that US policy made them so "desperate" that they had to blow up thousands of civilians. Nice one. I disagree with Gross, this kind of double-talk would be perfect for a P.R. man. Max "the voice of sanity" Lang: >>Perhaps it is time to worry about the reality of half a mile of >>buildings collapsing and LOVED ONES dying. JEME: >People dying, whether they are loved or not, over ideology is horrible and >wrong... and it that is why it is time to rethink our policies and how >they implement our ideology. Capitalism = violence, black = white, war = peace. Also, an old favorite: Jeme's rhetoric = terrorist apologia. MAX: >> I don't think it's a real peachy time to relate yourself to terrorist >> scum. JEME: >I think that if we don't try to understand WHY this happened, we won't be >able to prevent it from happening in the future. >You can lock down every airport and put a camera in every house, but >somebody will still find a way to strike out against oppression... and >some of them are going to strike out in horrible, unreasonable ways >because they feel desperate and cornered and see no other recourse. Yes, indeed, we have a winner. You've topped even your own provocative blatherings this time! So, lemme see -- terrorists equal "desperate" fighters "against oppression" who "see no other recourse." The noble warrior! The rugged individualist! The downtrodden masses! Yes sirree, these "cornered" and "desperate" souls were so "oppressed" by the US that they had to "strike out" with a multi-million dollar, extensively orchestrated campaign of terror. My favorite bit is your casual equation of anyone with an axe to grind against the US with a worthy fight against "oppression." That's rich. Ever occur to you that the motives of those axe-grinders may not be so pure? Or that many pray on such nationalistic fervor / anti-US hatred (however inspired) to gain their own political advantage / power? Or that there is a difference between "policies" or "ideologies" that work to the disadvantage of a given population on the one hand, and cold-blooded murder on the other? Max: >>Very bad taste indeed, have you ever seen a corpse...not a pretty >>sight. JEME: >But are these corpses somehow MORE disgusting because they are American? Cheap and to be expected. Are they somehow LESS disgusting to you because the US is so "evil" in your view? JEME: >Millions are died because of these policies. This silly statement can be dismissed without even getting into the relative merits of those "policies" you criticize (and, believe me, I don't want to get into it right now). Those "policies" serve a purpose other than the extinguishment of human life. Whatever you may say about the worth of those "policies" and their aims, you cannot say that their sole goal is killing. Terrorism, on the other hand, is about death (and fear). Your casual equation of the one with the other sickens me. ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or person responsible for delivering this confidential communication to the intended recipient, you have received this communication in error, and any review, use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, copying, or other distribution of this e-mail message and any attached files is strictly prohibited. If you have received this confidential communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail message and permanently delete the original message. To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 21:01:51 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: RE: today's news - -- Eb is rumored to have mumbled on Dienstag, 11. September 2001 11:12 Uhr -0700 regarding RE: today's news: > Right. I couldn't even get a proper sentence out. Well, that shows you how > dumbstruck I am at Jeme's inhumanity. That's not fair. It's not as simple as that... - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:05:47 -0700 From: Eb Subject: WTC question for anyone but the list devil Were those buildings literally the insular "World Trade Center"? Or were there a host of businesses inside which had nothing to do with "world trade"? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:07:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Viv Lyon Subject: RE: today's news On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Eb wrote: > I couldn't possibly be horrified/disgusted/repelled that you're using this > catastrophe to grind your usual axes. Yes, Eb- in the face of a catastrophe, we should refrain from any analysis and merely shake our heads and ask (rhetorically, of course) "Why?" That seems like the _only_ acceptable course of action. Vivien ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:05:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Subject: Where's Natalie? Has anyone heard from Natalie yet? Do we know which flight she was supposed to be on today? Our office was closed today for the obvious reason as well as the fact that we share the building with the Palo Alto Internet Exchange, hub for most of the internet traffic on the west coast. Apparently the building is locked down and under high security. Glad to know my friends in NY are alright, - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:13:21 -0400 From: strange little woj Subject: Re: WTC question for anyone but the list devil when we last left our heroes, Eb (ElBroome@earthlink.net) exclaimed: >Were those buildings literally the insular "World Trade Center"? Or were >there a host of businesses inside which had nothing to do with "world >trade"? the world trade center is the name of the towers and associated buildings. it's basically a super-duper office building which hosts businesses of all sorts. woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:16:41 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: questions I don't know. It's hard for me to understand how these attacks are more symbolic than would be attacks on the White House or the Capitol. I mean, work gets done in those places, but it seems to me that if you want to symbolically attack the U.S., those are the buildings you pick. Maybe I don't know enough about what goes on there but it seems like the World Trade Center and the Pentagon are targets that could actually cause some important damage, not to mention killing extraordinary numbers of civilians. Also it doesn't seem to me -- again, maybe I'm naive -- that a plan of this depth and orchestration only to send a symbolic message would be carried out by a group motivated primarily by desperation and oppression. If it truly is symbolic, especially of something as (relatively) abstract as the "military-industrial complex," it's a lot more cold-blooded than last-ditch. Certainly it's not the best way to win sympathy for your plight. Eh. Ignore me. I'm not very well-informed. But I don't think the US has a monopoly on viciousness and it's hard for me to see something like this as an abstract backlash. I'm glad to hear that those of you in the areas affected are okay. I hope there aren't more attacks on the way. Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:18:51 -0400 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: today's news On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Poole, R. Edward wrote: > Exactly. Which is why some of us are repulsed by your implicit or > explicit condoning of their actions, or, at the very least, your > justifications for their actions. Jeme: >I have explicitly condemned (which should override any desire a person has >to read in implied condonation) the actions of these attackers. The acts >were not justified at all... but they were also not out of line or scale >with "in kind" retaliation. >Let me make it clear that I find BOTH the action and reaction abhorrent. But to say "I condemn X" while at the same time saying "the people who did X had good reason to do so" is to, at LEAST, implicitly support X. >But it would be a mistake to condemn all people of like mind just because >one set decided to take things in the wrong direction. Did you know that Gandhi abandoned his 1921 civil disobedience movement (and urged all Indians to abandon calls for self-determination) in 1921, because a very small number of Indians were using violence against the Raj? Once tainted by violence, the result of the struggle could not, in his mind, ever become a peaceful self-government. >History is littered with people and actions that are, on their own, evil >and wrong but commited to and in support of positive causes. >Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater, and all that. >Don't dismiss the arguments just because some people used them to justify >atrocities to themselves. I'm not, I've told you I believe that the US is sometimes a "bad actor" in the world, but that does not justify terrorism. >It's a bit like throwing out the whole idea of Christianity just because >of the Inquisition. LOL. The main reason I'm agnostic is my hatred for Religion, which has inspired some of the worst atrocities in recorded human history. I fully believe you can throw out Christianity without sacrificing "the idea" behind it. You, too, should jettison your sympathies for the Inquisitors with whom you share ideology. _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or person responsible for delivering this confidential communication to the intended recipient, you have received this communication in error, and any review, use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, copying, or other distribution of this e-mail message and any attached files is strictly prohibited. If you have received this confidential communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail message and permanently delete the original message. To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:31:15 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: RE: today's news >I would argue that this is EXACTLY the time to analyze policy and see what >we can do to improve the situation so that nobody becomes this desperate >again. Yeah, good logic, for example let's let genocide reign in foreign countries...YIPPIE!!! >People dying, whether they are loved or not, over ideology is horrible and >wrong... and it that is why it is time to rethink our policies and how >they implement our ideology. Oh soory mister terrorist , kill some more of my countrymen. Is that more to your ideology? >I think that if we don't try to understand WHY this happened, we won't be >able to prevent it from happening in the future. >You can lock down every airport and put a camera in every house, but >somebody will still find a way to strike out against oppression... and >some of them are going to strike out in horrible, unreasonable ways >because they feel desperate and cornered and see no other recourse. Yeah Bin Ladan is real sad and desperate. > > Very bad taste indeed, have you ever seen a corpse...not a pretty > > sight. > >But are these corpses somehow MORE disgusting because they are American? Well if I belonged to a list comprised of a mainly citizens of the nation in question I might not think it would be the best idea to mock them, no. I certainly don't think Americans any better than anyone else, but the fact that these people my be relatives or friends of people on the list is more disturbing. And I never ever said that other dead in other countries were not disgusting. >Millions are died because of these policies. There are by far worse places to live and you are welcome to them. Have a nice day, Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:48:20 -0700 From: Eb Subject: wow Someone on Usenet noticed that today's date is 9-1-1. Amazing coincidence. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:00:21 -0700 From: The Great Quail Subject: gNat Natalie is ok -- she is grounded in Buffalo. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:27:28 -0400 From: Alfred Masciocchi Subject: To justify or not to justify? (was Re: today's news) Capuchin wrote: > I mean, retaliation for the ongoing Gulf War ALONE is justificiation for > such a minor attack. Capuchin wrote: > The acts > were not justified at all. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:17:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Wolfe Subject: sadness I'm so very, very glad to hear from the New York fegs. Ken, Chris, lj, Allen, Mary -- good to hear from all of you. Hope to hear a full accounting of anyone not in that list, if that isn't everyone on/near Manhattan. - -Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:48:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: To justify or not to justify? (was Re: today's news) On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Alfred Masciocchi wrote: > Capuchin wrote: > > I mean, retaliation for the ongoing Gulf War ALONE is justificiation for > > such a minor attack. This was a poor choice of words and I apologize. It certainly didn't express my true sentiment. I simply meant that this attack is minor in comparison with the attacks on Iraq during the Gulf War and if the Gulf War were to be considered a battle in a larger War, this could be considered retaliation and isn't out of scale. However, I don't personally believe that this level of violence is ever justified. I've already expressed my belief that this attack was futile and sad. But we SHOULD be discussing the "Why" related to events like this. I'm sorry that I'm the only person putting forward speculation. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:54:51 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: RE: today's news I allowed you to goad me once, never again. Have a nice day. : - ) Max >From: Capuchin >To: Maximilian Lang >Subject: RE: today's news >Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:19:07 -0700 (PDT) > > >On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Maximilian Lang wrote: > > >I would argue that this is EXACTLY the time to analyze policy and see >what > > >we can do to improve the situation so that nobody becomes this >desperate > > >again. > > > > Yeah, good logic, for example let's let genocide reign in foreign > > countries...YIPPIE!!! > >Huh? > >I'm saying we should be trying to figure out what drives people to this >kind of action. I would argue that it's our current foreign policy and we >should be looking into changing those policies to create a more fair >world. > > > >People dying, whether they are loved or not, over ideology is horrible >and > > >wrong... and it that is why it is time to rethink our policies and how > > >they implement our ideology. > > > > Oh soory mister terrorist , kill some more of my countrymen. Is that > > more to your ideology? > >This makes no sense to me at all. > >I'm saying that our policies are an implementation of our ideology and >those policies are KILLING PEOPLE abroad and that death and destruction is >causing those people to retaliate by KILLING PEOPLE at home. > >I think it's wrong and sad that people actually die because of >disagreements in ideology... and we need to fix our policies to prevent >that from ever happening again. Perhaps it's time to re-implement our >ideologies in a non-destructive way. And if that's not possible, it's >time to rethink our ideas. > >J. >-- >_______________________________________________ > >Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin >_______________________________________________ > [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:00:13 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: To justify or not to justify? (was Re: today's news) > I'm sorry that I'm the only person putting forward speculation. J. Timing, I think, is a consideration here. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:02:53 EDT From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Subject: delete delete delete Jeme, did you not learn as a child that sometimes it's best to just say nothing? I love this country and I love being an American. I hate feeling useless. At least I can give blood. It is time better spent than debating politics and ideology. Find your nearest Red Cross center, if you wish to spend your time wisely. God bless us all David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:10:23 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: WTC video and photos I just captured the stuff I took from my roof in Brooklyn: http://dev.suddenindustries.com/ken/wtc.mpg http://www.hellrot.org/stuff/wtc/wtc-1.jpg http://www.hellrot.org/stuff/wtc/wtc-2.jpg http://www.hellrot.org/stuff/wtc/wtc-3.jpg http://www.hellrot.org/stuff/wtc/wtc-4.jpg http://www.hellrot.org/stuff/wtc/wtc-5.jpg - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:21:07 -0700 From: "victorian squid" Subject: Re: delete delete delete On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:02:53 BLATZMAN wrote: >and ideology. Find your nearest Red Cross center, if you wish to spend your >time wisely. No, DON'T just show up there!!!!!!! Red Cross centers all over the country have been overloaded and overwhelmed. They are asking that people call and schedule an appointment first. 1-800-GIVE -LIFE (1-800-448-3543) is the number, I have read/seen that O positive is the type they need most. Apologies, I know this is long, but it will save some time and hassle (for the Red Cross workers as well as potential donors) if people know the following before going in. You should not give blood if you have- had a tattoo within the last 12 months ever had Creuzfeldt-Jakob Disease, or if any blood relative (parent, grandparent, sibling, aunt, uncle, or child) has or has had it, or been told that your family is at risk for Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease ever received a dura mater (or brain covering) transplant during head or brain surgery received an injection since 1980 of bovine (beef) insulin made from cattle in the United Kingdom had hepatitis on or after the age of 11 had malaria in the past 3 years during 1980 though 1996 spent a total time that adds up to 6 months or more inthe United Kingdom (England, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Isle of Man, orthe Channel Islands) been held in a correctional facility (including jail, prison, or detention center) for more than 72 straight hours in the last 12 months. had or been treated for syphilis or gonorrhea or tested positive for syphilis in the last 12 months. been raped in the last 12 months. taken (snorted) cocaine or any other street drug through your nose in the last 12 months. AIDS or one of its symptoms, including unexplained weight loss (10 pounds or more in less than 2 months) night sweats blue or purple spots on or under the skin long-lasting white spots or unusual sores in your mouth lumps in your neck, armpits, or groin, lasting longer than one month diarrhea lasting longer than one month persistent cough and shortness of breath, or fever higher than 990F lasting more than 10 days done something that puts you at risk for becoming infected with HIV, the virus that cause AIDS. You should tell the interviewer if you: aren't feeling well are running a fever have traveled to Cancun, Cozumel, or any other areas in Mexico, or taken a Caribbean cruise in the past 12 months. Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:25:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: delete delete delete On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 BLATZMAN@aol.com wrote: > Jeme, did you not learn as a child that sometimes it's best to just > say nothing? Saying nothing is what got us into this mess. > I love this country and I love being an American. So do I. Short of founding your own, I think this is the best available nation for basing your operations to restore peace and justice to the world. > I hate feeling useless. At least I can give blood. It is time better > spent than debating politics and ideology. Do you really believe that this is NOT a result of politics and ideology? If we go into damage control mode, we're going to lose this opportunity to address the real problems. > Find your nearest Red Cross center, if you wish to spend your time > wisely. I, unfortunately, have a condition that makes me an ineligible donor. I've encouraged a couple of coworkers to go, though. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 21:49:51 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: sadness My feeble words couldn't do justice to this subject, but I am glad to hear you are OK, as I hope all NYC Listers are. I can think of no more to say. Mike H. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- > Hi all > > Thanks for the good wishes. Finially, finially got thru to my mom, who had > been coming into NY from Long Island and got turned back ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 21:59:50 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Means As someone who has grown up in a city (London) that has been bombed to shit over the last 30 years Kay, all I'd say is beware of retribution taken out in anger. All it takes is one of those bastards on the New York subway, with a pack of Gelignite (?) bound around his waist, and more carnage abounds. Before the cease fire here, peoplealways said 'Lets just get the leaders of the IRA, take 'em out'....great. Untill there followers leave a bomb on the London Underground. But I undserstand your fear, and your husbands anger. I feel the same. I hope you are well, regardless of this shit (as in what happened, not what you said!) Mike H. From: Viola Rockiss To: > My 88 year old dad is at the NY Stock Exchange. A friend's wife works in the > WTC. > My husband(who up to now has supported Palestine) is screaming on the phone > "We go in and we take over. We dont take this shit, period." > I want to throw up. > > How many months ago were we casually arguing the concept "by any means > necissary"? > > Kay ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 18:39:10 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: WTC video and photos >I just captured the stuff I took from my roof in Brooklyn: > >http://dev.suddenindustries.com/ken/wtc.mpg > >http://www.hellrot.org/stuff/wtc/wtc-1.jpg >http://www.hellrot.org/stuff/wtc/wtc-2.jpg >http://www.hellrot.org/stuff/wtc/wtc-3.jpg >http://www.hellrot.org/stuff/wtc/wtc-4.jpg >http://www.hellrot.org/stuff/wtc/wtc-5.jpg > > > >-Ken Really disturbing, my friend lives in Brooklyn Heights and watched them collapse from his rooftop, he in shock to say the least. Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #338 ********************************