From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #337 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, September 11 2001 Volume 10 : Number 337 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Means ["Bachman, Michael" ] RE: Means ["Brian Huddell" ] RE: today's news ["Poole, R. Edward" ] RE: today's news [Capuchin ] RE: Means [Michael R Godwin ] RE: Means [Capuchin ] just a note from NYC [lj lindhurst ] RE: today's news [Eb ] sadness ["Viola Rockiss" ] RE: today's news ["Poole, R. Edward" ] RE: today's news [Capuchin ] Re: god grant me the serenity to accept what i cannot change" [Eb ] Re: just a note from NYC [Mike Swedene ] RE: today's news ["Poole, R. Edward" ] Re: sadness [Capuchin ] RE: today's news ["Maximilian Lang" ] didn't count to ten [dmw ] RE: today's news [Capuchin ] RE: today's news [Eb ] Re: sadness [Christopher Gross ] RE: today's news [Capuchin ] Re: sadness [Eb ] FW: ["Bachman, Michael" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:31:56 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Means September 11, is a historical date. In 1978 the Camp David accord was signed. A plane went down short of Camp David today, September 11th. We can add this to the speculation. Michael - -----Original Message----- From: Capuchin [mailto:capuchin@bitmine.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:20 PM To: Nerdy Groovers Subject: RE: Means On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Poole, R. Edward wrote: > I'm sitting 4 blocks from the White House now, and I can tell you that > there are guys with surface to air missile launchers on the roof, that > the was a plane headed up here from the south about an hour ago, but > it (apparently) was intercepted by US military fighters. I think the State Department and the White House are the obvious next targets in the scenario I presented. And I don't think anyone on this list would argue that I have any "better information" about who did this than anyone else (and that includes me). But, as you say, anyone claiming credit is just going to be publicity seeking... and anyone officially blamed is just going to be a convenient target. Speculation is just about all we're going to have and we're going to refine that speculation as information can be pieced together and verified. If you don't recognize that ALL of the talk on this subject is speculation at this point, then you have big critical thinking problems and "terrorists" are the least of your worries. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:32:47 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Means > Jeme, nothing personal, but you are so full of shit! How the > hell do you know that "This was an attack on US military > policy and the proponents of "free" world trade."??? Well, regardless of intent or the actors involved it was literally an attack on the most potent symbols of US military policy and world trade. Jeme hit the mark, IMHO, and without missing the essential futility of the act. +brian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:09:01 -0400 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: today's news Do I understand that people have axes to grind with the US? Yes, of course I do. Do I understand that the US has done things to deserve some of those grudges? Yes, of course I do. Do I understand why someone would be motivated to perpetrate a mass killing of US civilians in furtherance of their "cause?" No, I certainly do not. And if you think I have "problems with critical thinking," or whatever that slur was, I ask you why it is that you so quickly deduce that the US deserved -- or brought upon itself -- such a monstrous (though, you seem to believe "minor") act. Oh, the Gulf War, is it? I guess you believe that Hussein did nothing wrong, right? Because the US was motivated (in whatever part you wish to ascribe) in that conflict to protect oil reserves, that means Iraq is the good guy (never mind what Hussein does to his own people, especially the Kurdish minority) and we deserve whatever retribution they dish out? Fuck it, I can't have this conversation with you, where you so cavalierly dismiss the killing and suffering of tens of thousands of people on the basis that the US has committed its own atrocities. - -----Original Message----- From: Capuchin [mailto:capuchin@bitmine.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:22 PM To: Nerdy Groovers Subject: RE: today's news On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Poole, R. Edward wrote: > I can't accept this -- not only can I not comprehend the "why," but > the TV pictures are so unreal You can 'not comprehend the "why"'? Does that mean you don't think the US has done anything remotely comparable to a foreign people? I mean, retaliation for the ongoing Gulf War ALONE is justificiation for such a minor attack. I'm not saying that I agree, but I certainly can comprehend WHY. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or person responsible for delivering this confidential communication to the intended recipient, you have received this communication in error, and any review, use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, copying, or other distribution of this e-mail message and any attached files is strictly prohibited. If you have received this confidential communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail message and permanently delete the original message. To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:25:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: today's news On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Poole, R. Edward wrote: > Do I understand that people have axes to grind with the US? Yes, of > course I do. Do I understand that the US has done things to deserve > some of those grudges? Yes, of course I do. Well, that's cool. > Do I understand why someone would be motivated to perpetrate a mass > killing of US civilians in furtherance of their "cause?" No, I > certainly do not. Well, how do you feel about the US military's mass killings of foreign civilians in furtherance of their "cause"? > And if you think I have "problems with critical thinking," or whatever > that slur was, That wasn't a "slur". I was saying that you were demonstrating critical thinking by pointing out that my assertions were mere speculation... and I was noting that everyone understands that without you freaking out about it. Everything we say that isn't backed up with reference is speculation. And I think people understand that... and if THEY don't, then they have other critical thinking problems. You're NOT one of those people because you clearly showed that you understood that I was merely speculating. > I ask you why it is that you so quickly deduce that the US deserved -- > or brought upon itself -- such a monstrous (though, you seem to > believe "minor") act. It's minor compared to US atrocities overseas, yeah. And I believe this is retaliation for those atrocities. > Oh, the Gulf War, is it? I guess you believe that Hussein did nothing > wrong, right? Because the US was motivated (in whatever part you wish > to ascribe) in that conflict to protect oil reserves, that means Iraq > is the good guy (never mind what Hussein does to his own people, > especially the Kurdish minority) and we deserve whatever retribution > they dish out? Not at all. But I'm saying that we had no business getting involved there at all. It is not our place to undermine foreign sovereignty. We can support and officially recognize actions in and against other nations, but we have absolutely no ride to invade another country. It is not our place nor it is it the place of any nation. > Fuck it, I can't have this conversation with you, where you so > cavalierly dismiss the killing and suffering of tens of thousands of > people on the basis that the US has committed its own atrocities. I am not cavalierly dismissing the killing and suffering of thousands. I explicitly stated my sickness and sadness over that loss and my direct condolences to those who were hurt in this disaster. I also believe that the goal should be to PREVENT further violence and destruction. And LET THIS END HERE. It's time to re-evaluate US foreign policy and STOP using violence to enforce the implementation of American profiteering ideals. The US HAS committed horrible atrocities. And I want to prevent more atrocities from being committed in the name of revenge for this one. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 18:33:36 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: RE: Means On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Bachman, Michael wrote: > September 11, is a historical date. In 1978 the Camp David accord > was signed. A plane went down short of Camp David today, September > 11th. We can add this to the speculation. Interesting. And wasn't there a group called 'Black September' who objected to something that happened during September one year? There was a lot of adverse comment in the press over here when the US and Israel walked out of the recent Durban conference on racism; but that was only a few days ago, whereas this must have taken weeks (if not months) of co-ordination. And I agree that Jeme's comments are accurate. US-UK air raids on Iraq are still going on, so Saddam Hussein has every reason to take hostile action against both countries. - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:41:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: Means On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Michael R Godwin wrote: > And I agree that Jeme's comments are accurate. US-UK air raids on Iraq > are still going on, so Saddam Hussein has every reason to take hostile > action against both countries. I'm not talking about Saddam Hussein. What about the friends, family, and spiritual kin of those being brutalized in Iraq and other nations due to US economic and military policy? I would estimate that at least a third of the world has every reason to take a hostile action against those countries. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:47:31 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: just a note from NYC All present and accounted for... thanks to everyone who emailed/called to ask about us. Of course, Natalie was supposed to arrive here at 12:35pm, for her first visit to NYC... I assume she's stuck in Buffalo until further notice. You guys would not even believe the surreal world we are in right now... more to come.... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:50:59 -0700 From: Eb Subject: RE: today's news Jeme (monster): >Well, how do you feel about the US military's mass killings of foreign >civilians in furtherance of their "cause"? > >But I'm saying that we had no business getting involved there at all. It >is not our place to undermine foreign sovereignty. We can support and >officially recognize actions in and against other nations, but we have >absolutely no ride to invade another country. It is not our place nor it >is it the place of any nation. I couldn't possibly be horrified/disgusted/repelled that you're using this catastrophe to grind your usual axes. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:50:25 +0000 From: "Viola Rockiss" Subject: sadness Hi all Thanks for the good wishes. Finially, finially got thru to my mom, who had been coming into NY from Long Island and got turned back. After they evacuated the NYSE my dad and some of his cronies, took one look at the choas outside, the lack of subways, the gridlock and excersied good sense. They retired to the NY Stock Exchange Luncheon club, broke open the bar and started a poker game(I kid you not.) There they remain, perhaps for the night. Somehow the thought of my dad with cards in one hand and a scotch in the other is oddly comforting. Much better than the thought of a frail old guy trying to dodge shrapnel and people in panic. Unfortunetly, so far it looks like my friend's wife was in the upper part of a tower and didnt get out. They have two small kids. Then I heard the bit bout people jumping out of the towers and surrealism mixed with horror. So how do you want to die--burn or splat? Aweful. So aweful. Hope we hear from Allen and LJ soon(thanks Scary Mary for checking in.) And hope none of you had anyone you cared about flying today. Or have found out that they touched down safely. My husband is over his tetasterone fit(thou the US is not and this is going to drive the country farther right I wager( because of ordinary emotional outrage, not any great machinations by the industrial/military complex, thou they will whip it up for all its worth.) Christ, the worthless people who will get more power from this. I do wish Gore had won. Chaney so scares me) and has realized that this is the 21st anniv of the Camp David Accords. I think Jeme might be right about picking targets for their symbolic value. Hence Camp David. That may be the why but lets not confuse the why with anything like justification. There is no justification. Which means the way to -really- get back at these motherfuckers is to further, not retard, the peace process in the M.E. Unfortunetlly, I doubt most people will think that thru. Chris: >Handy hint -- US new sites seem to be overloaded, but some overseas ones >are still accessible Yes, the Web did not do well. The only site I could get thru to was the BBC, which had an excellent live stream going. Sadly Kay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:52:14 -0400 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: today's news add "more" between "be" and "horrified." - -----Original Message----- From: ElBroome@earthlink.net [mailto:ElBroome@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:51 PM To: Fgz Subject: RE: today's news Jeme (monster): >Well, how do you feel about the US military's mass killings of foreign >civilians in furtherance of their "cause"? > >But I'm saying that we had no business getting involved there at all. It >is not our place to undermine foreign sovereignty. We can support and >officially recognize actions in and against other nations, but we have >absolutely no ride to invade another country. It is not our place nor it >is it the place of any nation. I couldn't possibly be horrified/disgusted/repelled that you're using this catastrophe to grind your usual axes. Eb ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or person responsible for delivering this confidential communication to the intended recipient, you have received this communication in error, and any review, use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, copying, or other distribution of this e-mail message and any attached files is strictly prohibited. If you have received this confidential communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail message and permanently delete the original message. To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:54:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: today's news On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Eb wrote: > I couldn't possibly be horrified/disgusted/repelled that you're using > this catastrophe to grind your usual axes. My "usual axes" are probably the "usual axes" of those who coordinated this attack. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:54:05 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: god grant me the serenity to accept what i cannot change" >But I'm sure that his activities do not stop at this list, , I'm >convinced that he is also going under the alias's of Marc Bergman / the >Jolly Hangman / Jeff Soldau on the Richard Thompson list and he is >probably responsible for at least two thirds of the obnoxious posts on >the Beefheart list and many others that I don't know about . I certainly hope this was a joke. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:57:40 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: just a note from NYC I'm glad all the NYC people are well. I actually stayed home sick today, so I have been in Brooklyn all day. I have never seen such chaos close to home. I went up to the roof of my building and got a little video of the Twin Towers. They were still up, but the tops covered in smoke. I will transfer it to the computer if I can find my firewire cable for it. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:58:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Re: just a note from NYC Stuck in Buffalo? If anyone is stuck here... I get out of work at 11 PM and if you need a place to stay or hang.... Let me know. Mike (aka-Herbie)_ - --- lj lindhurst wrote: > All present and accounted for... thanks to everyone > who > emailed/called to ask about us. > > Of course, Natalie was supposed to arrive here at > 12:35pm, for her > first visit to NYC... I assume she's stuck in > Buffalo until further > notice. > > You guys would not even believe the surreal world we > are in right > now... more to come.... Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:59:16 -0400 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: today's news On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Eb wrote: > I couldn't possibly be horrified/disgusted/repelled that you're using > this catastrophe to grind your usual axes. Jeme: >My "usual axes" are probably the "usual axes" of those who coordinated >this attack. Exactly. Which is why some of us are repulsed by your implicit or explicit condoning of their actions, or, at the very least, your justifications for their actions. ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or person responsible for delivering this confidential communication to the intended recipient, you have received this communication in error, and any review, use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, copying, or other distribution of this e-mail message and any attached files is strictly prohibited. If you have received this confidential communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail message and permanently delete the original message. To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:01:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: sadness On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Viola Rockiss wrote: > They retired to the NY Stock Exchange Luncheon club, broke open the > bar and started a poker game(I kid you not.) No comment. > Unfortunetly, so far it looks like my friend's wife was in the upper > part of a tower and didnt get out. They have two small kids. I'm very sorry and please relate my condolences along with all the others you're sure to receive. I think it's totally sick that people actually die in battles of ideology. > Then I heard the bit bout people jumping out of the towers and surrealism > mixed with horror. So how do you want to die--burn or splat? Aweful. So > aweful. You said it. > Hope we hear from Allen and LJ soon(thanks Scary Mary for checking > in.) And hope none of you had anyone you cared about flying today. Or > have found out that they touched down safely. What about Ken Weingold? And are we sure Gnat's OK? Who else? > My husband is over his tetasterone fit(thou the US is not and this is > going to drive the country farther right I wager( because of ordinary > emotional outrage, not any great machinations by the > industrial/military complex, thou they will whip it up for all its > worth.) Christ, the worthless people who will get more power from > this. You said it. > I do wish Gore had won. Chaney so scares me Just so you know, Gore supported all of the same foreign policies that Bush supports with regard to the likely causes of this retaliation. > and has realized that this is the 21st anniv of the Camp David > Accords. I think Jeme might be right about picking targets for their > symbolic value. Hence Camp David. Ayup. And we must stop and think about what these symbols represent. And while the ACTIONS are not justified, we should at least make an attempt to understand the sentiment badly demonstrated by the attackers. > That may be the why but lets not confuse the why with anything like > justification. There is no justification. Absolutely agreed. > Which means the way to -really- get back at these motherfuckers is to > further, not retard, the peace process in the M.E. Unfortunetlly, I > doubt most people will think that thru. Unfortunately, I don't think that powers involved in the negotiations have any real incentive. As long as there is a demon to demonize and the destruction improves the number of jobs and the ability to pass legislation and use military power overseas, there is incentive to keep things as they are. > Yes, the Web did not do well. The only site I could get thru to was > the BBC, which had an excellent live stream going. That's incredibly gruesome. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:01:35 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: RE: today's news >On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Eb wrote: > > I couldn't possibly be horrified/disgusted/repelled that you're using > > this catastrophe to grind your usual axes. > >My "usual axes" are probably the "usual axes" of those who coordinated >this attack. > >J. Maybe this is not the time to argue politics. Perhaps it is time to worry about the reality of half a mile of buildings collapsing and LOVED ONES dying. I don't think it's a real peachy time to relate yourself to terrorist scum. Very bad taste indeed, have you ever seen a corpse...not a pretty sight. Max Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:10:20 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: didn't count to ten I think this is a bad time for being divisive and sniping at one another, and a good time to remember how fragile we are, and how fragile and precious the connections between us are. Most of us can probably be thankful that our friends and loved ones were not directly affected. My most heartfelt condolences to any one for whom that is not true. I spent about three hours this morning on a conference call with people in a building one block from the world trade center (they are okay, but unsure of the fate of many of their coworkers). You'd think that'd give me enough perspective to avoid a knee jerk response, no matter how inflammatory I found the provocation....but it doesn't, quite. - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:11:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: today's news On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Poole, R. Edward wrote: > Exactly. Which is why some of us are repulsed by your implicit or > explicit condoning of their actions, or, at the very least, your > justifications for their actions. I have explicitly condemned (which should override any desire a person has to read in implied condonation) the actions of these attackers. The acts were not justified at all... but they were also not out of line or scale with "in kind" retaliation. Let me make it clear that I find BOTH the action and reaction abhorrent. But it would be a mistake to condemn all people of like mind just because one set decided to take things in the wrong direction. History is littered with people and actions that are, on their own, evil and wrong but commited to and in support of positive causes. Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater, and all that. Don't dismiss the arguments just because some people used them to justify atrocities to themselves. It's a bit like throwing out the whole idea of Christianity just because of the Inquisition. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:12:27 -0700 From: Eb Subject: RE: today's news Edward: >add "more" between "be" and "horrified." > >I couldn't possibly be horrified/disgusted/repelled that you're using this >catastrophe to grind your usual axes. Right. I couldn't even get a proper sentence out. Well, that shows you how dumbstruck I am at Jeme's inhumanity. From here, I'm just going to delete his posts unread for the next few days. Can't take anymore. But oh yes, Lang, *I'm* the hostile element on the list, right? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:13:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: sadness Glad to hear that the NYC Fegs and Kay's dad are okay! Finally some good news. Before today the biggest number of US citizens ever killed in a single day was at the Battle of Antietam, almost exactly 139 years ago. The death toll that day was about 4,000. I'm afraid we may have a new record now. They're saying the World Trade Center normally had 50,000 workers and a total of 80,000 visitors per day. Jeme, all I can say is, you made a wise decision not pursuing a career in public relations. - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:17:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: today's news On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Maximilian Lang wrote: > Maybe this is not the time to argue politics. I would argue that this is EXACTLY the time to analyze policy and see what we can do to improve the situation so that nobody becomes this desperate again. > Perhaps it is time to worry about the reality of half a mile of > buildings collapsing and LOVED ONES dying. People dying, whether they are loved or not, over ideology is horrible and wrong... and it that is why it is time to rethink our policies and how they implement our ideology. > I don't think it's a real peachy time to relate yourself to terrorist > scum. I think that if we don't try to understand WHY this happened, we won't be able to prevent it from happening in the future. You can lock down every airport and put a camera in every house, but somebody will still find a way to strike out against oppression... and some of them are going to strike out in horrible, unreasonable ways because they feel desperate and cornered and see no other recourse. > Very bad taste indeed, have you ever seen a corpse...not a pretty > sight. But are these corpses somehow MORE disgusting because they are American? Millions are died because of these policies. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:17:56 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: sadness >Before today the biggest number of US citizens ever killed in a single day >was at the Battle of Antietam, almost exactly 139 years ago. The death >toll that day was about 4,000. I'm afraid we may have a new record now. >They're saying the World Trade Center normally had 50,000 workers and a >total of 80,000 visitors per day. Suddenly, Timothy McVeigh seems like a little leaguer. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:21:23 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: FW: The Palestinians need to realise that the world is watching them. The peace in the M.E. is the uppermost hope in my mind, but sadly it seems that we are headed in the opposite direction thanks to todays action by the terrorists, and those that support their immoral acts. Michael > -----Original Message----- > From: Parzynski, Patrick > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:25 PM > To: Bachman, Michael > Subject: > > Arafat Horrified by Attacks > By Mohammed Daraghmeh > Associated Press Writer > Tuesday, Sept. 11, 2001; 11:49 a.m. EDT > NABLUS, West Bank -- Thousands of Palestinians celebrated Tuesday's terror > attacks in the United States, chanting "God is Great" and distributing > candy to passers-by, even as their leader, Yasser Arafat, said he was > horrified. > The U.S. government has become increasingly unpopular in the West Bank and > Gaza Strip in the past year of Israeli-Palestinian fighting, with many > Palestinians accusing Washington of siding with Israel. > In the West Bank town of Nablus, about 3,000 people poured into the street > shortly after the attacks on the World Trade Center in New York and > government targets in Washington. > Demonstrators distributed candy in a traditional gesture of celebration. > Several Palestinian gunmen shot in the air, while other marchers carried > Palestinian flags. Nawal Abdel Fatah, 48, wearing a long, black dress, > threw sweets in the air, saying she was happy because "America is the head > of the snake, America always stands by Israel in its war against us." > Her daughter Maysoon, 22, said she hoped the next attack would be launched > against Tel Aviv. > In traditionally Arab east Jerusalem, there was a smaller gathering of > about two dozen people, many of them young children led in chants by > adults. Some drivers passing the scene honked their horns and flashed > victory signs from their windows. > Arafat and his top advisers huddled at his seaside office in Gaza City, > watching the events unfold on television. Arafat later emerged to speak to > reporters. > "We are completely shocked. It's unbelievable," he said. "We completely > condemn this very dangerous attack, and I convey my condolences to the > American people, to the American president and to the American > administration, not only in my name but on behalf of the Palestinian > people." > In the West Bank, meanwhile, the leader the Democratic Front for the > Liberation of Palestine denied his group was involved in the attacks. > Qais Abdel Rahim was reacting to reports that two Arab satellite stations > in the Gulf had received anonymous claims of responsibility on behalf of > the DFLP, a radical PLO faction. Abdel Rahim said his group condemned the > attacks. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #337 ********************************