From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #336 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, September 11 2001 Volume 10 : Number 336 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: "god grant me the serenity to accept what i cannot change" [Eb ] Gee! [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] zing a zong of zeeland [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] PULP (No RH%) [Mike Swedene ] Re: Become a Minister Now!! ["Stewart C. Russell" ] a suggestion for mail handling [bayard ] Re: god grant me the serenity to accept what i cannot change" [minister ] NY [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: NY [scary mary ] RE:SR-71 (who?) ["Scott McCleary" ] Means ["Viola Rockiss" ] Pentagon, World Trade Center [Viv Lyon ] Re: Means [Viv Lyon ] today's news [Christopher Gross ] Re: today's news [Viv Lyon ] Re: Means [Capuchin ] RE: today's news ["Bachman, Michael" ] RE: Means ["Poole, R. Edward" ] And in the news... ["Mike Wells" ] RE: today's news ["Poole, R. Edward" ] RE: Means [Capuchin ] RE: today's news [Capuchin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:52:49 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: "god grant me the serenity to accept what i cannot change" [I hope that nickname is a joke] wrote: >no one has even commented on it. Throwing a long, off-topic article to the >list, merely due to personal impatience for a new digest? Damn.> > >thanks for the much-needed perspective. it can't be easy being the most >domineering schoolmarm on the list, but know that we all appreciate your >labours immensely. we're all aware of the monumental importance of policing >the list for, and pruning it of, any and all off-topic content. Oh, don't be such a miffed baby. It's not that your article was "off-topic." It's that you only posted it to bulk up a digest. Just because *you* were itchin' to read some more posts! I wouldn't have bothered to comment on this, but in a period when *I* am being lambasted for posting in a self-serving way, it was hard not to point out this double standard. Now, hurry up and get back to flagellating the exhausted Nader issue. - ------ From a new Bob Dylan interview: "Of Beck, he suggests more focus: 'You just can't be that good at everything you touch.'" Ha! Love it. I may be a big Beck fan, but that's a perfect one-line kissoff. :) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:24:36 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: dead wrestlers >From: "Andrew D. Simchik" [Laurie Anderson's new album] >I guess not -- I figure I would have remembered something like that. >I don't actually know much of anything about the Moby Dick stuff...it's >just that a couple of the songs made reference to whales, I'd never heard >them before, and I assumed that was their source. They were really moving, >actually. Following up my own post -- I glanced at the track listing today in Tower (didn't buy the album, though I did pick up Gotta Let This Hen Out! on DVD) and realized that the whale- oriented songs she played live are from the album. I liked those a lot, actually. >From: Eb [the Worst of Black Box Recorder] >My biggest gripe is that six out of 12 songs are already >available as bonus tracks on the US versions of the first two albums. Oh, that's true -- I forgot about that. I have the UK versions of both, unfortunately (I'm impatient). >one of which, "Jackie Sixty," is very weak Also true. And I agree about the first Sugarcubes album being a difficult act to follow. Confession: I've never really liked Bjork's voice, and I don't really find it all that amazing or impressive. It's unique and unusual and thus can do things and go places other people's voices can't, but it also gets on my nerves a lot. Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:26:52 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Gee! >>gravity isn't constant? > >Sorry to be such an anorak for replying but no. It's related to mass and >distance of separation. (g*m*M)/(d*d), IIRC, where g is the gravitational constant, m and M are the two masses and d is the distance between them. I suspect that the gravitational constant is, or they' have called it the 'gravitational usually-constant' or the 'gravitational wobbly-thing' or something. Then again, I suspect that in certain odd conditions (eg, near black holes) it may become a bit frayed round the edges. James (modelling this year's dark blue anorak, with matching toggles...) James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:27:00 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: zing a zong of zeeland >> the first pakeha (= European) to visit these shores was Abel Tasman in >> 1642. He took one look and headed home without stepping on shore. Home to >> the province of Zealand, in the Netherlands. > >There was an attractively banal song by Bing Crosby on Desmond Carrington >yesterday called 'Zing a little song with me' which went something like: > >"Zing zing zing a little song with me > I know we're not beside the Zuider Zee > But when you're sitting alongside of me > I want to zing a little song". > >I assume that Zeeland is beside the Zuider Zee? Nope, it's in the south near the Belgiam border, where the Rhine/Maas delta is. But zee is just Dutch for sea, and a lot of the NL is on the coast. The Zuider Zee is now, BTW, the Ijsselmeer, having been enclosed by dams and thus only a meer (=lake) full of ijssel (islands) James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:07:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: PULP (No RH%) Hey There! For any of those interested in a quick hear to some of the new PULP tracks from their upcoming album, you can download them here: http://homepage.mac.com/manuelhernandez/FileSharing.html Enjoy! Herbie np -> UNISON Bjork Vespertine Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:25:01 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Become a Minister Now!! HAL wrote: > > "Bob" sold it. I bought it. That settles it. A couple of the (few) things I love about working here are: - - that I can get away with wearing a Subgenius t-shirt - - that no-one has a clue* what all the Dobbsheads around my cubicle are about. Stewart *: and, in true Subgenius fashion, that includes me. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:27:43 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: McCartney tribute Michael R Godwin wrote: > > It reads like an authentic Hitchcock send-up to me - who else would > remember that kind of trivia? that the B-side of her single was called "The Wednesbury Madison"? Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:11:08 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: a suggestion for mail handling You might want to set up your mail program to filter feg mail into a folder. Even hotmail can do it - click "options" then "custom filters." Bingo, subscribe to the regular list and no more waiting around for digests. All the fegsam flows neatly into one place. Nick - we looked at those pages but mail to you is bouncing (including this one, I'll warrant!) =b ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:29:01 +0930 From: minister of misinformation Subject: Re: god grant me the serenity to accept what i cannot change" EDDIE WROTE we're all aware of the monumental importance of policing the list for, and pruning it of, any and all off-topic content. and while some may not wish to voice it aloud in mixed company, there's not a soul reading these words that doesn't know deep down that there's only one person righteous enough to undertake this most unsung of tasks with the commitment and attention to detail which it deserves. gang, i wonder if we should take up a collection, to ensure that eb will not shrink from these duties? it'd be in *our own* best interests, really. aw c'mon Eddie you know there's not a frigging chance in hell that Eb would EVER give up this role, its obvious he has nothing better to do with his life. I must admit though that after not reading many digests for months, that its comforting to see that the man is still at it, stirring it up the list with gusto and completely ignoring any rational discussion in favour of put downs and insults . No matter where one will roam in cyberspace, one can always return to the feglist and know that there will be a flame war of sorts going on in which EB is playing a major role. But I'm sure that his activities do not stop at this list, , I'm convinced that he is also going under the alias's of Marc Bergman / the Jolly Hangman / Jeff Soldau on the Richard Thompson list and he is probably responsible for at least two thirds of the obnoxious posts on the Beefheart list and many others that I don't know about . I cannot for the life of me wonder why he bothers to do it though . Just what makes this man so argumentative, so inclined to spend hours dissing his fellow mortals over and over again ?. To argue over the most trivial points, to rubbish the most well meant opinions ?. Perhaps a psychiatric examination is called for . commander Lang ( rapidly relapsing once more into terminal lurk mode. ) But while I am at it, why not visit the ARCHIVE , you bastards , http://users.senet.com.au/~tortoise/index.html a history of sorts of the rock festivals of the UK from 1961-1975, with a cast of thousands, including King Crimson, Zappa, Beefheart, Dead, T Rex, Byrds, Dylan , Airplane , Doors, Miles, etc, with obscure anally minute coverage of all the great rock festivals of the day , prog , psychedelic , blues, folk and rock acts galore, free festivals , seas of mud, rip offs, catastrophes and much much more ! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 01:02:26 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: NY Just watching the news on the world trade centre - I hope all you NY fegs are OK - Allen, LJ, anyone? James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:18:10 -0400 From: scary mary Subject: Re: NY I didn't get to see it but I sure heard it. I'm going outside and see if I can see where the plane hit. And now I hear it's two planes that crashed - sounds intentional. Pretty scary stuff. Ohmigod - they're closing down our offices, sending us all home. s.m. >Just watching the news on the world trade centre - I hope all you NY fegs >are OK - Allen, LJ, anyone? > >James > > James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= > -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- > .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance > -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time > =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 06:29:21 -0700 From: "Scott McCleary" Subject: RE:SR-71 (who?) Could be a play on "Blackbird"? ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:47:41 +0000 From: "Viola Rockiss" Subject: Means My 88 year old dad is at the NY Stock Exchange. A friend's wife works in the WTC. My husband(who up to now has supported Palestine) is screaming on the phone "We go in and we take over. We dont take this shit, period." I want to throw up. How many months ago were we casually arguing the concept "by any means necissary"? Kay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 07:54:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Pentagon, World Trade Center Jesus Christ, what a way to wake up. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 07:55:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Re: Means On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Viola Rockiss wrote: > My 88 year old dad is at the NY Stock Exchange. A friend's wife works in the > WTC. > My husband(who up to now has supported Palestine) is screaming on the phone > "We go in and we take over. We dont take this shit, period." > I want to throw up. Go in where? > > How many months ago were we casually arguing the concept "by any means > necissary"? Well, clearly crashing commericial airliners in to huge buildings isn't the best way to gain support for their cause, whatever it is. Vivien ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:14:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: today's news >Just watching the news on the world trade centre - I hope all you NY fegs >are OK - Allen, LJ, anyone? Hopefully they should be okay. LJ should be in Brooklyn, miles from the WTC. Quail's new job is with Columbia U., which is in Manhattan but still miles from the WTC; I just hope his office is actually located on campus. I have numerous other friends in NYC, but AFAIK none live or work anywhere near the Wall St. area (knock on wood). Mary, I hope you made it home! They're saying all bridges and tunnels into and out of Manhattan have been closed. Here in DC, aside from the Pentagon attack, people are also saying there was a car bomb at the State Dept. and a firebomb on the Mall. I'm hoping the former, at least, was just a false rumor -- it's only a few blocks from here, and I should have heard fire engines or see smoke if the State Dept. had really been bombed. (Unless it was a small bomb, or was found before it exploded.) Another rumor was that the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, or something like that, had claimed responsibility. That was almost certainly a hoax. It will probably be quite some time before we even know WHAT was attacked for certain, let alone who did it. The important thing right now is to try to avoid leaping to conclusions. Handy hint -- US new sites seem to be overloaded, but some overseas ones are still accessible. For example: Kay, I hope your father and your friends wife are okay! - --Chris (who might be marooned at work if the Metro is shut down) ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:34:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Re: today's news On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Christopher Gross wrote: > Another rumor was that the Democratic Front for the Liberation of > Palestine, or something like that, had claimed responsibility. That was > almost certainly a hoax. It will probably be quite some time before we > even know WHAT was attacked for certain, let alone who did it. NPR just tentatively attributed it to Osama Bin Laden and Co. I have to say, that makes a lot of sense. > The important thing right now is to try to avoid leaping to > conclusions. > Kay, I hope your father and your friends wife are okay! Yes, me too. I'm sorry for the dismissive tone in my response to you. Vivien ps- the guy doing coverage for NPR is (I hate to say it) unintentionally hilarious. He keeps trying to get people to report things in the worst terms possible, keeps prompting people with "It's chaos, isn't it?" It's like it's not _enough_ of a disaster for him. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:55:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Means On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Viv Lyon wrote: > On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Viola Rockiss wrote: > > My 88 year old dad is at the NY Stock Exchange. A friend's wife works > > in the WTC. Well, I sincerely hope your family is OK. It's unfortunate that the people responsible for both sides of this cannot duke it out mano a mano, but there's never any recourse to directly confront those in power. > > My husband(who up to now has supported Palestine) is screaming on > > the phone "We go in and we take over. We dont take this shit, > > period." I want to throw up. > Go in where? Indeed. I just had this conversation with a coworker. While I totally disagree with the tactics employed here and am truly saddened and sickened by the loss of life, I can't help but think of this as a kind of wake-up call to American foreign policy. Of course, the State Department won't view it that way. My coworker said, "If someone doesn't like the way our country is run, they should let us take care of it... they shouldn't come in FROM OUTSIDE and try to influence our government." And I said, "Isn't that exactly what we're doing to Iraq?" He stopped cold. > > How many months ago were we casually arguing the concept "by any means > > necissary"? > Well, clearly crashing commericial airliners in to huge buildings isn't > the best way to gain support for their cause, whatever it is. The "cause" seems pretty clear to me. They're symbolic targets. Note that they didn't hit The White House or Congress or the Supreme Court. This was an attack on US military policy and the proponents of "free" world trade. Those are the tools by which the US undermines the sovereignty of foreign nations. Now, exactly which foreign nation these people would like us to stop undermining is one question that we'll probably try to answer. But I think it's more likely that these people were looking beyond their own noses and would like to see the US cease ALL such activity. Clearly this was no way to make that point, however. The real net effect of this is going to be more restriction of civil liberties and a gut "law and order"/"strong military" reaction in the public that will only bolster US power overseas and improve that ability to undermine foreign sovereignty. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:03:37 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: today's news This is far worse than Pearl Harbor, from all accounts. My prayers go out to all the innocent victims and their families. I am just numb. Such madness. Michael - -----Original Message----- From: Viv Lyon [mailto:vivlyon@bitmine.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:35 AM To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: Re: today's news On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Christopher Gross wrote: > Another rumor was that the Democratic Front for the Liberation of > Palestine, or something like that, had claimed responsibility. That was > almost certainly a hoax. It will probably be quite some time before we > even know WHAT was attacked for certain, let alone who did it. NPR just tentatively attributed it to Osama Bin Laden and Co. I have to say, that makes a lot of sense. > The important thing right now is to try to avoid leaping to > conclusions. > Kay, I hope your father and your friends wife are okay! Yes, me too. I'm sorry for the dismissive tone in my response to you. Vivien ps- the guy doing coverage for NPR is (I hate to say it) unintentionally hilarious. He keeps trying to get people to report things in the worst terms possible, keeps prompting people with "It's chaos, isn't it?" It's like it's not _enough_ of a disaster for him. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:05:24 -0400 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: Means Jeme, nothing personal, but you are so full of shit! How the hell do you know that "This was an attack on US military policy and the proponents of "free" world trade."??? You no more know that than Islam-ophobics "know" that this was the work of middle east terrorists. I'm sitting 4 blocks from the White House now, and I can tell you that there are guys with surface to air missile launchers on the roof, that the was a plane headed up here from the south about an hour ago, but it (apparently) was intercepted by US military fighters. You have no idea what all of the targets would have been - -- if every aspect of the plot was successful -- and there is no way to work back from the targets to the motivations of the attackers. We're talking about densely-populated, highly symbolic US landmarks -- clear targets of ANY terrorists, regardless of ideology or "message." Remember Ted Kascinski and Tim McVeigh -- we have homegrown terrorists with murky (if not downright delusional) motivations. Anyone talking about the "who" and "why" of this monstrosity is on shaky ground, at best. The truth will out, but not within 2 hours. And anyone "claiming responsibility" at this point is just as likely to be an unrelated attention-seeker as the true culprit. - -----Original Message----- From: Capuchin [mailto:capuchin@bitmine.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:56 AM To: Nerdy Groovers Subject: Re: Means On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Viv Lyon wrote: > On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Viola Rockiss wrote: > > My 88 year old dad is at the NY Stock Exchange. A friend's wife works > > in the WTC. Well, I sincerely hope your family is OK. It's unfortunate that the people responsible for both sides of this cannot duke it out mano a mano, but there's never any recourse to directly confront those in power. > > My husband(who up to now has supported Palestine) is screaming on > > the phone "We go in and we take over. We dont take this shit, > > period." I want to throw up. > Go in where? Indeed. I just had this conversation with a coworker. While I totally disagree with the tactics employed here and am truly saddened and sickened by the loss of life, I can't help but think of this as a kind of wake-up call to American foreign policy. Of course, the State Department won't view it that way. My coworker said, "If someone doesn't like the way our country is run, they should let us take care of it... they shouldn't come in FROM OUTSIDE and try to influence our government." And I said, "Isn't that exactly what we're doing to Iraq?" He stopped cold. > > How many months ago were we casually arguing the concept "by any means > > necissary"? > Well, clearly crashing commericial airliners in to huge buildings isn't > the best way to gain support for their cause, whatever it is. The "cause" seems pretty clear to me. They're symbolic targets. Note that they didn't hit The White House or Congress or the Supreme Court. This was an attack on US military policy and the proponents of "free" world trade. Those are the tools by which the US undermines the sovereignty of foreign nations. Now, exactly which foreign nation these people would like us to stop undermining is one question that we'll probably try to answer. But I think it's more likely that these people were looking beyond their own noses and would like to see the US cease ALL such activity. Clearly this was no way to make that point, however. The real net effect of this is going to be more restriction of civil liberties and a gut "law and order"/"strong military" reaction in the public that will only bolster US power overseas and improve that ability to undermine foreign sovereignty. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or person responsible for delivering this confidential communication to the intended recipient, you have received this communication in error, and any review, use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, copying, or other distribution of this e-mail message and any attached files is strictly prohibited. If you have received this confidential communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail message and permanently delete the original message. To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:12:33 -0500 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: And in the news... Yikes. My dad is in midtown Manhattan this morning. He was able to get a call out between the first and second towers getting hit. And he was supposed to fly American home later today. Double yikes. Michael there but for the grace of God... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:13:05 -0400 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: today's news I can't accept this -- not only can I not comprehend the "why," but the TV pictures are so unreal -- it looks like "Independence Day" or some Bruce Willis flick. DC is crazy, though we seem to have been spared the worst of it (so far). - -----Original Message----- From: Bachman, Michael [mailto:Michael.Bachman@fanucrobotics.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:04 PM To: 'Viv Lyon'; fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: RE: today's news This is far worse than Pearl Harbor, from all accounts. My prayers go out to all the innocent victims and their families. I am just numb. Such madness. Michael - -----Original Message----- From: Viv Lyon [mailto:vivlyon@bitmine.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:35 AM To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: Re: today's news On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Christopher Gross wrote: > Another rumor was that the Democratic Front for the Liberation of > Palestine, or something like that, had claimed responsibility. That was > almost certainly a hoax. It will probably be quite some time before we > even know WHAT was attacked for certain, let alone who did it. NPR just tentatively attributed it to Osama Bin Laden and Co. I have to say, that makes a lot of sense. > The important thing right now is to try to avoid leaping to > conclusions. > Kay, I hope your father and your friends wife are okay! Yes, me too. I'm sorry for the dismissive tone in my response to you. Vivien ps- the guy doing coverage for NPR is (I hate to say it) unintentionally hilarious. He keeps trying to get people to report things in the worst terms possible, keeps prompting people with "It's chaos, isn't it?" It's like it's not _enough_ of a disaster for him. ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or person responsible for delivering this confidential communication to the intended recipient, you have received this communication in error, and any review, use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, copying, or other distribution of this e-mail message and any attached files is strictly prohibited. If you have received this confidential communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail message and permanently delete the original message. To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:20:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: Means On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Poole, R. Edward wrote: > I'm sitting 4 blocks from the White House now, and I can tell you that > there are guys with surface to air missile launchers on the roof, that > the was a plane headed up here from the south about an hour ago, but > it (apparently) was intercepted by US military fighters. I think the State Department and the White House are the obvious next targets in the scenario I presented. And I don't think anyone on this list would argue that I have any "better information" about who did this than anyone else (and that includes me). But, as you say, anyone claiming credit is just going to be publicity seeking... and anyone officially blamed is just going to be a convenient target. Speculation is just about all we're going to have and we're going to refine that speculation as information can be pieced together and verified. If you don't recognize that ALL of the talk on this subject is speculation at this point, then you have big critical thinking problems and "terrorists" are the least of your worries. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:22:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: today's news On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Poole, R. Edward wrote: > I can't accept this -- not only can I not comprehend the "why," but > the TV pictures are so unreal You can 'not comprehend the "why"'? Does that mean you don't think the US has done anything remotely comparable to a foreign people? I mean, retaliation for the ongoing Gulf War ALONE is justificiation for such a minor attack. I'm not saying that I agree, but I certainly can comprehend WHY. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #336 ********************************