From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #335 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, September 10 2001 Volume 10 : Number 335 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Thought this was interesting (some Robyn content) [Eb ] Re: McCartney tribute [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Thought this was interesting (some Robyn content) [Dolph Chaney ] Re: Remember music? [Dan Poppe ] Re: Become a Minister Now!! [strange little woj ] Re: sonic harpoons? [strange little woj ] Re: McCartney tribute [strange little woj ] CMJ Music Marathon + funny bit ["scary mary" ] Re: bjork, bjork, bjork [strange little woj ] Re: Thought this was interesting (some Robyn content) [Elizabeth Setler <] robynspeak some more ["ross taylor" ] The Weekend's Too Short [John Barrington Jones ] ha ha ha [John Barrington Jones ] RE: gravity kills ["SIMPSON,HAMISH (A-Sonoma,ex1)" ] Re: Become a Minister Now!! [HAL ] Re: Thought this was interesting (some Robyn content) ["Jason W. Brown" <] Re: Thought this was interesting (some Robyn content) [Eb Subject: Thought this was interesting (some Robyn content) I was playing the first of the new Paul McCartney tribute albums tonight, and thinking the tracks were different from what I originally heard. I looked up an old news story on the Web, and sure enough, they were. At the end of February, 2000, this track listing for an upcoming McCartney tribute was announced. At the time, I remember thinking it looked too good to be true. Particularly in XTC's and Echo/Bunnymen's case. Mm-hmm. > Owsley: Band on the Run > Foo Fighters: Jet > Neil Finn: TBA > XTC: Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey > Ben Folds Five: Listen to What the Man Said > Fountains of Wayne: Baby's Request > Squeeze: Junior's Farm > Brian Wilson w/The Wondermints: Dear Boy > Barenaked Ladies: Junk > Matthew Sweet: Every Night > The Merrymakers: No More Lonely Nights > Sloan: Waterfalls > John Faye Power Trip: Coming Up or World Tonight > They Might Be Giants: Ram On > The Interpreters: Maybe I'm Amazed > Echo and the Bunnymen: My Love > Robyn Hitchcock: Goodbye > World Party: Teddy Boy Here's what actually came out on the final CD: Owsley/Band on the Run SR-71 (who?)/My Brave Face Kevin Hearn & Steven Page from Barenaked Ladies + Stephen Duffy from the Lilac Time/Junk Semisonic/Jet The Merrymakers/No More Lonely Nights Robyn Hitchcock/Let Me Roll It The Finn Brothers/Too Many People The Minus 5/Dear Friend Matthew Sweet/Every Night Sloan/Waterfalls World Party/Man We Was Lonely John Faye Power Trip (who?)/Coming Up The Virgos (who?)/Maybe I'm Amazed The Judybats/Love in Song Linus of Hollywood/Warm and Beautiful They Might Be Giants/Ram On Damn, I would love to have copies of the XTC, Ben Folds Five and Brian Wilson/Wondermints tracks! (If they ever existed.) And I'd rather hear Hitchcock and World Party sing "Goodbye" and "Teddy Boy" than "Let Me Roll It" and "Man We Was Lonely".... Brief editorial: The best tracks aren't what I would've predicted. My favorites are those by Owsley, Semisonic (!) and especially the Finn Brothers. Matthew Sweet ranks just a notch below those. The Owsley and Semisonic tracks are essentially note-for-note copycats (but well-done), while the Finns' "Too Many People" is the only one (for me) which has both first-rate songwriting *and* an interesting personal interpretation. The crappiest track by far: the Judybats. I wonder how this also-ran group made the cut. The liner notes mention that the band went out and bought a stack of McCartney CDs, just to find what song they wanted to try. If they didn't have a list of favorite songs ready in their minds, they really shouldn't have been on the disc. It's not as if the Judybats name is going to move any units.... BTW, the album proceeds benefit breast-cancer research, if you didn't know. Eb PS Matthew Sweet has no "Appears courtesy of..." credit. I guess he must be between record deals now -- didn't know this. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 02:38:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Thought this was interesting (some Robyn content) These are just off-the-top suggestions: On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, Eb wrote: > The crappiest track by far: the Judybats. I wonder how this also-ran > group made the cut. The liner notes mention that the band went out and > bought a stack of McCartney CDs, just to find what song they wanted to > try. If they didn't have a list of favorite songs ready in their > minds, they really shouldn't have been on the disc. It's not as if the > Judybats name is going to move any units.... Are the Judybats involved with the breast cancer organization recieving benefit? I mean, did they have a member with breast cancer or something that would make them extra-elligible? Perhaps they had personal ties to McCartney or his wife? > PS Matthew Sweet has no "Appears courtesy of..." credit. I guess he > must be between record deals now -- didn't know this. Is he, perhaps, on the label that released the record? I would imagine they wouldn't have to give credit then. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 10:47:04 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rk=20=20=20Bj=F6rk=20=20=20Bj=F6rk?= The Great Quail wrote: > > Stewart burrs, do I burr? I caught myself speaking yesterday and realised I sounded like Ewan McGregor with a throat infection. > Yes! All hail Bjvrk! were those 'v's intentional? > Yes, I am indeed on a first name basis with all these women. My mate Euan accidentally ate Bjvrk's rider when she played Glasgow, and then had to go out clubbing with her to make up for it... - -- Stewart C. Russell Senior Analyst Programmer stewart@ref.collins.co.uk Collins Dictionaries use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Bishopbriggs, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 10:51:47 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: bjork, laurie anderson Mike Swedene wrote: > > Jazzy trio lounge-esque music > (Gling Glo) this one's a hoot. Lounge music. In Icelandic. Can't get better than this. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:06:13 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Become a Minister Now!! matt sewell wrote: > > But, alas, I am already an ordained priest - of the church of the > Subgenius: sheesh, I thought I was the only subgenius Rev here... Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 03:20:36 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Thought this was interesting (some Robyn content) >Are the Judybats involved with the breast cancer organization recieving >benefit? I mean, did they have a member with breast cancer or something >that would make them extra-elligible? Perhaps they had personal ties to >McCartney or his wife? I don't know. Sounds very unlikely, though. I wouldn't have even known this group was still alive. I know the Judybats had a couple of releases on Reprise about 10 years ago, but the albums bombed. This is my *second* Judybats tribute-album track, actually: There's another one on that Warners' Roky Erickson tribute which came out back then. I checked the Judybats' website, but the site was as weak as their music and gave poor information. Another reason for the Judybats' inclusion might be that they're currently signed to Oglio, but I suspect it's really just a case of the album supervisor having lousy taste. ;) >> PS Matthew Sweet has no "Appears courtesy of..." credit. I guess he >> must be between record deals now -- didn't know this. > >Is he, perhaps, on the label that released the record? I would imagine >they wouldn't have to give credit then. Right, they wouldn't. But the album is on Oglio, and Sweet is/was on Volcano. I don't believe those labels share a common distributor. Volcano released a Matthew Sweet greatest-hits disc last year, and labels often do that when an artist is on the way out the door. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:10:06 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: where is old Zealand? On Sat, 8 Sep 2001, James Dignan wrote: > the first pakeha (= European) to visit these shores was Abel Tasman in > 1642. He took one look and headed home without stepping on shore. Home to > the province of Zealand, in the Netherlands. There was an attractively banal song by Bing Crosby on Desmond Carrington yesterday called 'Zing a little song with me' which went something like: "Zing zing zing a little song with me I know we're not beside the Zuider Zee But when you're sitting alongside of me I want to zing a little song". I assume that Zeeland is beside the Zuider Zee? - - Mike Godwin PS He also played an excellent Noel Coward song called 'Bad times are just around the corner'. I'd be interested in finding a copy of the lyric. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:36:39 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: McCartney tribute On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Eb wrote: > Robyn's introduction is more > distant, however. Doesn't sound like something he'd write. > > "'Let Me Roll It' is a dramatic, ominous song that glides effortlessly > between folk, metal, and R 'n B. McCartney captures the thrill and terror > of falling in love, and manages a nod to Lennon in the electrifying guitar > riffs. The song also appears to be in two keys...great melody and focused > lyrics. I'll give it '5,' Paul!" "I'll give it 5" (or rather "foive") was the catchphrase of Janice Nicholls, the famous-for-15-minutes Birmingham lass who used to review records on some crap old TV show - "Thanks your lucky stars", possibly? It reads like an authentic Hitchcock send-up to me - who else would remember that kind of trivia? - - Mike Godwin still playing: John Renbourn greatest ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 07:03:13 -0500 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Re: Thought this was interesting (some Robyn content) At 01:55 AM 9/10/01 -0700, you wrote: >John Faye Power Trip (who?)/Coming Up John Faye was the lead singer of the Caulfields (you might possibly maybe know them for "Devil's Diary" which had the chorus "I'm bigger than Jesus now"), who did two albums for A&M (the second one of which, _L_, is a Desert Island Disc of mine) before their A&R guy was fired and the band mishandled from then on. The John Faye Power Trip has done one indie project (which doesn't sound it at all -- the production is clean, large, and viscous) and is demoing for another. Comparisons: vocally (and lyrically to a degree), John's got some Joe Jackson in there, but he's fronting a two-guitar rawk band. The lyrics are top, full of the loamy mixed-metaphor goodness that we've come to expect from our brainy post-post-post-punk tunesters. Stylistically, he falls right in line with the artists on this McCartney tribute, actually -- he's toured twice with Matthew Sweet, and Sloan and Owsley would also be fair reference points. John Faye -- yum! Go have a helping at http://www.johnfaye.com/ or miss out. dolph ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 08:29:38 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Thought this was interesting (some Robyn content) >Eb >John Faye Power Trip (who?)/Coming Up Actually a college friend of my wife as were the rest of his previous band known as the Caufields(previously The Beat Clinic). They and he are from Newark Delaware. Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 05:52:22 -0700 From: "Scott McCleary" Subject: Gravity >gravity isn't constant? Well I suppose there's serious and then there's REALLY serious. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 07:18:51 -0700 From: Dan Poppe Subject: Re: Remember music? Eb wrote: >Tonight I played the new Dylan album, Love and Theft, for the first >time...got it earlier today. I got this a few days ago, and have been playing it over and over again, at home, in the car, and in the office. In true Dylan fashion, it continues to reveal itself to me with each listen. I LOVE it!!! >I honestly feel like this record's stylistic thrust goes beyond my range of >expertise, because the influences seem almost entirely pre-'60s. If country music legend (founder) Jimmie Rodgers were alive today, I'd reckon his music would sound something like "Love And Theft". BTW, that's a massive compliment in my book. >That said, I find the tracks terribly frustrating. And for just one reason: >yup, the Voice. People have always criticized Dylan's singing voice, and Dylan's voice at 60 is, well...ermmm..., a difficult instrument, but what he does with it!!! >There's definitely a good dose of humor on this album, but >Dylan's delivery buries it. I find the humour on this album delightful. I certainly wouldn't have expected Dylan to be dropping a knock-knock joke into his lyrics, making a "booty call", advising his love to "throw your panties overboard", while characters "called down to room service, said send up a room"! >I'll be curious to hear views from others. There is all kinds of >"masterpiece" talk in the Dylan newsgroup, but I don't trust those people I'll go there. I haven't lived with this more than a few days, but I'm fairly certain that time will reveal this as one of Dylan's masterpieces. I've seen Dylan put on possibly one of the worst shows I've ever seen by an artist that I truly respect (Berkeley '89), and put out albums so poor that I'm embarrassed that I keep them ("Knocked Out Loaded"), but "Love and Theft" deserves your attention. I'd love to know what Robyn thinks of this new album. I had the pleasure of driving Robyn, Michelle, and Tim Keegan around while they were in SF on the Flaming Lips tour, and had a Dylan mix tape in the deck. When "Time Out Of Mind" came up, Robyn commented that he was struck that Dylan should sound so unhappy at that stage of his life. Now we've got: "My heart is not weary, it's light and it's free I've got nothing but affection for all those who sailed with me" With the news of a 2-CD set of Dylan covers coming from Robyn on Editions PAF, anyone care to speculate what might be included other than than the Borderline "Royal Albert Hall" show? Regards- Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 10:52:58 -0400 From: strange little woj Subject: Re: Become a Minister Now!! when we last left our heroes, Stewart C. Russell exclaimed: >sheesh, I thought I was the only subgenius Rev here... no, we all are. it's just that not everyone realizes it. +w ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 10:49:32 -0400 From: strange little woj Subject: Re: sonic harpoons? when we last left our heroes, Andrew D. Simchik exclaimed: >I guess not -- I figure I would have remembered something like that. the "sonic harpoons" were six-foot long metal poles which, depending on where you held them and how you moved them, would generate a different tone. i seem to remember they were tied to synths as well so they could have different voices. in "moby dick", laurie and two others did this dance with the harpoons which was one of the neater bits from the performance. >I don't actually know much of anything about the Moby Dick stuff...it's >just that a couple of the songs made reference to whales, I'd never heard >them before, and I assumed that was their source. sounds right. we just got tickets for one of ms. anderson's two shows at town hall here in new york so i guess i'll get to see for myself shortly. woj n.p. vpn's new one which i forgot the title of already ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 10:57:31 -0400 From: strange little woj Subject: Re: McCartney tribute when we last left our heroes, Eb exclaimed: >It's credited to Robyn, and the inserted picture is of him alone. It looks >a few years old, like maybe from the Respect era. hmmmm. you'd think this spring's soft boys press push would have given the band enough exposure that the track could have credited to the band instead of just the man. >"'Let Me Roll It' is a dramatic, ominous song that glides effortlessly >between folk, metal, and R 'n B. McCartney captures the thrill and terror >of falling in love, and manages a nod to Lennon in the electrifying guitar >riffs. The song also appears to be in two keys...great melody and focused >lyrics. I'll give it '5,' Paul!" the last sentence is the only one which i can imagine robyn actually saying. woj n.p. eels -- beautiful freak ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 10:21:50 -0500 From: "scary mary" Subject: CMJ Music Marathon + funny bit For feggies in the NYC area, the CMJ Music Marathon starts this week. Some of the artists appearing include Apples in Stereo, Ben Folds, Departure Lounge, Momus and Sparklehorse. Here's a link for the schedule: http://www.cmj.com/marathon/ And for your viewing pleasure check this out - kind of long but very funny: http://www.humanshell.com/clips/triumph.wmv Enjoy! s.m n.p. GbV Do the Collapse ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:33:48 -0400 From: strange little woj Subject: Re: bjork, bjork, bjork when we last left our heroes, Gene Hopstetter, Jr. exclaimed: >i'll put in my two bjork cents. i hated the sugarcubes. i had just >got started in college radio when "birthday" hit the college charts >and got very, very sick of hearing it. and bjork's outlandish voice >offended me. silly me. while the debut was overplayed by my college station too (and whatever that nightly "alternative" music video program was called on mtv), i still liked the album a lot. the other sugarcubes albums, though, never left an impression. woj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 09:45:02 -0700 From: Elizabeth Setler Subject: Re: Thought this was interesting (some Robyn content) At 1:55 AM -0700 9/10/01, Eb wrote: >I was playing the first of the new Paul McCartney tribute albums tonight, >and thinking the tracks were different from what I originally heard. I >looked up an old news story on the Web, and sure enough, they were. At the >end of February, 2000, this track listing for an upcoming McCartney tribute >was announced. At the time, I remember thinking it looked too good to be >true. Particularly in XTC's and Echo/Bunnymen's case. Mm-hmm. This news story (from Billboard) followed that news story a few weeks later: > March 6, 2000, 4:00 p.m. EST > > Reported Tribute Album Is News To McCartney Reps > > Paul McCartney's publishing company MPL Communications North America > and his London spokesman, Geoff Baker, are denying involvement in a > McCartney tribute album that Internet reports say is to be released on > an undetermined independent label. The reports say the album will have > tracks by Brian Wilson, Foo Fighters, Neil Finn, Matthew Sweet, Ben > Folds Five, and others. > > "We are not mandating or working on any current Paul McCartney tribute > record," says a source at MPL. Baker says he is not aware of the record, > adding, "and I don't think Paul is either." > > Andy Partridge of XTC, who according to reports had covered "Uncle > Albert/Admiral Halsey" for the set with a guest vocal by John Cleese, > denies any involvement in the project. "This is really annoying," he > tells Billboard Online, "because I had about six requests to do this and > I just tore them up. We don't want to get involved in any tribute > records." > > Partridge added that XTC last week completed its new album, to be titled > "Wasp Star (Apple Venus Vol. 2)" and released in May on their own Idea > label via Cooking Vinyl in the U.K. He describes the set as "a lovely > row." Until you posted the track listings side by side, I'd assumed that this was a completely unrelated project. Now I'm just perplexed. But at any rate, it sure doesn't look like there's a lost XTC track out there... - -- Elizabeth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:22:37 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: robynspeak some more From the Washington, DC show of the Underwater Moonlight tour: [Evil Guy ends] That's called Evil Guy. I wouldn't dedicate that to Mr. Bush. I would never want to destroy him, because people only learn by example. What the world needs is more cake, and specifically more meringues. Next time you know he's in town, surround him with love, but make that love something tangible. It's no good him just walking out in the morning wearing his tie thinking, sshm, I smell love. Or, you know, I feel Donna Summer in my pocket or something. You have to manifest things. Now when we were young we tried to levitate the Pentagon. But Morris, Kim, Andy[?] and I were only thirteen. But we were bussed over in a special hippie plane to help levitate the Pentagon. And we were too young to be allowed into the inner circle, so we became deeply nihilistic instead. And the rest is history! But we've learned now not to be cynical just because we were defeated once by things we didn't understand. So. What I say to you now in total confidence, cause I know no one can hear, is go out and get some meringues, meringues of love, and surround that big ol' White House next time Dubya's in there playing golf, or whatever -- they do in there. Snacks at six o'clock or whatever. And see what happens. Use a lot of meringues, not just a couple of meringures. Nothing low key. A very powerful thing. Maybe even if you've got life savings or wealthy friends tell them to sell their condos in Virginia Beach and Rehobeth and Bethany and turn it into meringue stock. The market is going down all the time now, why put it in realty, or reality, there's only one letter's difference between the two, put it in meringues and get it to Dubya. Thank you. One, two, three -- [Leppo] Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 10:25:43 -0700 (PDT) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: The Weekend's Too Short someone (maybe Tom?) was inquiring as to which Graham Parker album this song appears on. It looks like it is from the album "Graham Parker and the Shot Steady Nerves." again, if you have an mp3 of this, or can make one, please get in touch with me. ta, =jbj= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 10:27:29 -0700 (PDT) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: ha ha ha that last post was the victim of a bad line wrap. Graham Parker & The Shot - Steady Nerves (1985) =jbj= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 09:52:57 -0600 From: "SIMPSON,HAMISH (A-Sonoma,ex1)" Subject: RE: gravity kills Bayard sayeth: >"scientific shake-up: that the speed of light, our one remaining constant, >may -not- be constant, that as creation ages the speed may change." >gravity isn't constant? Sorry to be such an anorak for replying but no. It's related to mass and distance of separation. btw, BUY THE NEW DAMNED ALBUM. It's gorgeous even tho RH isn't on it. Once the new SBoys CD comes out I'm going to play these two back to back then shove pencils through my eardrums so I never hear anything else again. ;^) (H) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:50:26 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: ha ha ha On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, John Barrington Jones wrote: > that last post was the victim of a bad line wrap. > > Graham Parker & The Shot - Steady Nerves (1985) i don't currently have any way to make mp3, but i'll say it again -- this is a great record. guy i know slightly produced/engineered it too. damn shame it's out of print, but well worth hunting down. - ------------------------------------------------- Mayo-Wells Media Workshop dmw@ http://www.mwmw.com mwmw.com Web Development * Multimedia Consulting * Hosting ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:02:32 -0600 From: HAL Subject: Re: Become a Minister Now!! > >sheesh, I thought I was the only subgenius Rev here... > no, we all are. it's just that not everyone realizes it. "Bob" sold it. I bought it. That settles it. /hal, smoking frop ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:22:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason W. Brown" Subject: Re: Thought this was interesting (some Robyn content) On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, Eb wrote: > Damn, I would love to have copies of the XTC, Ben Folds Five and Brian > Wilson/Wondermints tracks! (If they ever existed.) According to statements made by Partridge via Chalkhills, the XTC track never existed and in fact they never agreed to do the track nor were they ever asked. I think the original list was the tribute orgainzers rough ideas and some how it got posted everywhere. Im really sorry to see they werent able to get Ron Sexsmith to do "Listen To What the Man said" he does a great rendition of it concert. > while the Finns' "Too Many People" is the only one (for me) which has both > first-rate songwriting *and* an interesting personal interpretation. ooh i cant wait to get this! this has to be one of my favorite McCartney tunes. Jason Wilson Brown - University of Washington - Seattle, WA "Life boring when you no can die" -Solomon Grundy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:55:58 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Thought this was interesting (some Robyn content) >>John Faye Power Trip (who?)/Coming Up > >John Faye was the lead singer of the Caulfields (you might possibly maybe >know them for "Devil's Diary" which had the chorus "I'm bigger than Jesus >now"), who did two albums for A&M Ohhhhh, OK. I do remember the Caulfields. Got quickly tarred as Smiths clones. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:57:45 +0000 From: "Violins n Rock Kiss" Subject: Lawrence Welks Got Nothing on Me If anyone knows what I planted yesterday from my moniker, I will dedicate a screechingly discordant accordian solo of "Smoke on the Water" to them. (Im -so- talented at positive motivation;-p - --------- Bayard: >gravity isn't constant? Since it involves the speed of light in terms of mass(I think), it aint(or rather it may not be.) Perhaps. Nevertheless, Dont sit under the apple tree etc etc - ---------------- Eb Im not sure what Dylan Web manifestation Im talking about, since Im working off hearsay. Ill check back. My friend's handle is Quaisimodem. And yes, he has some grey hair. In a poneytail no less.;-) And he just gave me another CDR with some live versions of stuff, plus an interview. Anyway Ive listened and read the lyrics and Im still trying to take it all in. I like the music, but then I listen to Big Joe, Cab and Robert Johnson of my own free will, so I may not be exactly a typical listener. Still, 40ish R&B and 12 bar blues isnt -that- foreign an idium(why do I want to say Illium? Must be the Virgil quote. Yeah theres a Virgil quote(and several refs?) And at least 3 Nick Cave refs and Jeeuuuss, not only cant I find my knees but the rest of my being is equally , er, senile? well, I think Id be overwhelmed but Im not quite cause -one- thing this record is is funny. Really really funny.) Not to mention pathetique. And yes, beautiful. For me it works, it sounds like life. Hell, in places it even sounds like my life. Sweet n sad n mean but alittle too terrible, too true to tell directly. So Eb, I see your point bout the words almost getting in the way, They're big words but they work. - ----- Jeme; Im not for unsubstantiated claims, so point taken. Denial prooves nothing(I am -not- a crook;-). And thanks for the explanation of Space Ghost. Absurdist satire ... makes me almost want to get cable. - ---------- Kay, her head buzzing with Dylan, Magic Bus and and the theme to Magic Schoolbus (actually on of the better kiddie shows.) "But cleanliness of the soul is important, dont you thee-ee-ink?" Robyn Hitchcock "They also wait who only stand and yet serve up a damn fine dinner." -John Milton, _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:40:54 -0700 From: "Colonel of Truth" Subject: "god grant me the serenity to accept what i cannot change" but the issue is not whether nader cost gore the election. the issue is that neither gore nor bush *deserved* to win. "Whether Nader is right about the extent of corporate access to the Democratic Party" is the extent of parry's consideration of the issue. in other words, he doesn't even deny it! thanks for the much-needed perspective. it can't be easy being the most domineering schoolmarm on the list, but know that we all appreciate your labours immensely. we're all aware of the monumental importance of policing the list for, and pruning it of, any and all off-topic content. and while some may not wish to voice it aloud in mixed company, there's not a soul reading these words that doesn't know deep down that there's only one person righteous enough to undertake this most unsung of tasks with the commitment and attention to detail which it deserves. gang, i wonder if we should take up a collection, to ensure that eb will not shrink from these duties? it'd be in *our own* best interests, really. "I'd rather vote for something I want and not get it than vote for something I don't want and get it." --Eugene Debs _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #335 ********************************