From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #334 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, September 9 2001 Volume 10 : Number 334 Today's Subjects: ----------------- sonic harpoons? ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Dancing Rodent (NO RH%) [Mike Swedene ] bjork, bjork, bjork ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Omnikaysent ["Budd Leia" ] [none] [bayard ] Re: Politics of Light (+BBR) [Eb ] Re: Dancing Rodent (NO RH%) ["lucifersam" ] Re: Politics of Light [Capuchin ] Children's Illustrators [Mike Swedene ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 10:53:04 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: sonic harpoons? > From: strange little woj > [Laurie Anderson live] > did she use the sonic harpoons from "moby dick"? I guess not -- I figure I would have remembered something like that. I don't actually know much of anything about the Moby Dick stuff...it's just that a couple of the songs made reference to whales, I'd never heard them before, and I assumed that was their source. They were really moving, actually. I'm sure you're all wondering if you should buy The Worst of Black Box Recorder. Well, of course, even The Worst is really really good, except for a cover of "Rock 'n' Roll Suicide" that seems like a total mistake to me. You know that Sarah Nixey's voice is completely deadpan and frosty, and you know that this tune is supposed to build to a climax. I just don't think it works if it stays completely glacial throughout. The collection is less than 40 minutes long, and I think priced to match, but even the remixes are worthwhile. I'm not sure how I feel about Luke Haines's politics (have I mentioned the silly "pop music strike" here?) but I sure love his music. A lot of the songs sound alike, but why not, when the one song he keeps rewriting is so simple and yet so terrific? Drew ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 11:20:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Dancing Rodent (NO RH%) Funny stuff here.... odd too... Dancing rodent not the hamster one, I can assure you. http://www.lou-cipher.de/weee.htm Enjoy! Herbie "Who is not going outside to play!" np-> U2 "Walk On" Bflo Gig 5/31/01 Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 13:51:24 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: bjork, bjork, bjork commander wojster sed: >caught bjvrk on letterman earlier this week. it was her, zeena parkins on >harp (looking the most glamorous she's probably ever been), a couple >knob-twidlers, and a choir of greenlanders (inuit, i suppose). pretty nice >performance. again, i've only heard the album a couple times so far but i >like it. i've never flipped out over bjvrk, though i loved the first >sugarcubes record. i think i appreciate her music more than i like it, if >that makes any sense. still, _vespertine_ sounds like it could go farther >than her other records for me. i missed it on teevee, but thanks to the internet, i just downloaded it: http://63.67.107.43/bjork/ i'll put in my two bjork cents. i hated the sugarcubes. i had just got started in college radio when "birthday" hit the college charts and got very, very sick of hearing it. and bjork's outlandish voice offended me. silly me. i still don't like the sugarcubes, but can't get enough of bjork. i consider her a true artist, and one of only a few true artists in the pop arena right now (maybe not; i'm not trying to start an argument here). the letterman performance was amazing to me because it showed how bjork can synthesize beautiful things out of the old (the chorus of greenlander women in their traditional garb) and the new (gotta love seeing the matmos guys playing cd players with an apple cinema display). sometimes her music is post-modern (housy, dancy stuff) and sometimes classic (she often reminds me very much of the female torch singers: June Christy, Doris Day, etc.). neat. i'm intrigued by how bjork's music seems to become more intimate the more people pay attention to her. and the audiophile in me loves how she embraces recording and technology. there are moments on vespertine that give me chills -- it's just her in a room with a dry microphone, and her *voice* and it's just wonderful. >From: David Librik >Subject: Re: bjork, laurie anderson > >This is purely a request for Bjork trivia, but I thought someone here >might know: what's the story on her ancestry? She does not look >typically Icelandic (Nordic). My first reaction on seeing her is that >she's a Greenlander, or her family's from there. iirc, bjork's ancestry is covered on the Bravo TV special about her. i have it on tape; don't know if it's been rerun lately. i seem to recall her ancestry is purely icelandic. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 19:00:57 +0000 From: "Budd Leia" Subject: Omnikaysent I used omnipotent when I should have used omniscient. A povidential mistake which neatly illustrated my point;-). Kay "But cleanliness of the soul is important, dont you thee-ee-ink?" Robyn Hitchcock _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 12:23:24 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: [none] "scientific shake-up: that the speed of light, our one remaining constant, may -not- be constant, that as creation ages the speed may change." gravity isn't constant? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 12:29:56 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Politics of Light (+BBR) Kay: >My problem with the article in question is not the contents but the tone. >Its the tone of a mean drunk right before closing, bullying the other, less >opinionated patrons. It reeks of self-righteousness, of >self-angrandiezment(his opinions are -very- good indeed) and most of all and >most noxiously, of contempt for all wart-hogs out there who may not be >properly impressed by his arguments or his manner. > >I dont like reading someone who does not have the courtesy to respect his or >her prospective reader(e.i. me.). If he can't do me the favor of treating me >as an intelligent human being I dont see why he should expect me to treat >him like one. Gosh, that was remarkably well-put. Please take over for me. ;) And if you want to apply this description to anyone else beyond the article's author, that's fine too. >Thanks for the tip on how to get the digest to spit out faster. Thats >useful:-). Really, this act surpasses the self-involvement of any of my own posts, and no one has even commented on it. Throwing a long, off-topic article to the list, merely due to personal impatience for a new digest? Damn. >I also have a copy of the new Dylan, thanks to being friends with a poster >on the Dylan ls. Havent listened to it yet. As for people calling it a >masterpeice over there, according to my friend it is verbotem to say >anything negative about the man. You will be flamed into ashes of toast if >you do. Are you talking about the Dylan newsgroup or a Dylan mailing list? (Actually, the line is blurred, because I believe there's a mailing list called "Highway 61" which does nothing but forward the newsgroup's posts.) If you're talking about the newsgroup, I wouldn't say the atmosphere is quite that harsh. If anyone dismisses Dylan as a *whole* (or mentions an outside acquaintance who does), the guilty party will draw a lot of haughty snorts about their lamentable ignorance, etc. Certainly, few of them will accept the flat statement "I can't stand Dylan" as a defensible opinion. On the other hand, everyone seems to have a couple of Dylan albums they really don't like, and "worst album"/"worst line"/"worst song"-type threads always flourish. The "worst" albums really vary from person to person, too -- there are even people who defend Under the Red Sky and Saved, believe it or not. The only album which *everyone* seems to dislike is the live Dylan & the Dead record...though a few other '80s albums (Knocked Out Loaded, Down in the Groove, Empire Burlesque) also get criticized quite often. (Actually, I like Empire Burlesque fine myself, including its "EB" title. ;)) The worst thing about the newsgroup is not its Dylan fanaticism, but its conceptual narrowness. There's widespread indifference toward any music which doesn't *reek* of old-time traditional influences, whether it's folk, blues or jazz. The only contemporary artists which get discussed are people like Emmylou Harris, Steve Earle, Lyle Lovett...only names which are fully immersed in Dylan-esque values. Even Robyn Hitchcock doesn't "fit" -- too Beatlepop. This is the main reason why I lurk and almost never bother to post. I'm way out of sync with that mindset. It's awfully gray-haired (both literally and metaphorically). >Katie was born with "angel kisses" on both eye-lids I have no idea what this means. - ------------ Drew: >I'm sure you're all wondering if you should buy The Worst of Black Box >Recorder. Well, of course, even The Worst is really really good, except >for a cover of "Rock 'n' Roll Suicide" that seems like a total mistake >to me. You know that Sarah Nixey's voice is completely deadpan and frosty, >and you know that this tune is supposed to build to a climax. I just >don't think it works if it stays completely glacial throughout. The >collection is less than 40 minutes long, and I think priced to match, >but even the remixes are worthwhile. Coincidentally, I played that disc, just last night. I liked "Rock 'n' Roll Suicide," and really did NOT like the first remix (which I guess involves Jarvis Cocker?). My biggest gripe is that six out of 12 songs are already available as bonus tracks on the US versions of the first two albums. So, if you bought the other two discs and are blah about remixes, you're shelling out for only four songs you don't already have (one of which, "Jackie Sixty," is very weak) plus four enhanced-CD videos. And to make matters worse, the CD gives my computer an error I've never seen before -- the whole CD is judged "unreadable," not only to play the videos but even to play the *music*. I get some error box asking me if I want to reformat the CD? Very weird. - ------------ Laurie Anderson performs here, last night and tonight. I couldn't get a ticket, damn it. And I haven't heard her new album *or* the Bjork album yet. However, I saw Bjork on Letterman and didn't like that song at all, much to my dismay. I saw the Sugarcubes once on their first US tour (I still may like their debut better than any Bjork disc, though the later Sugarcubes albums are very weak), and I've seen Bjork, um, twice. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 21:33:19 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Dancing Rodent (NO RH%) Now that is VERY Funny! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Swedene > Funny stuff here.... > odd too... > Dancing rodent not the hamster one, I can assure you. > > http://www.lou-cipher.de/weee.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 13:55:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Politics of Light On Sat, 8 Sep 2001, Budd Leia wrote: > > In fact, the only argument AGAINST the idea that profit is becoming > > the ONLY legitimate motivation for human action and interaction is > > head-in-the-sand denial > > But heres where I disagree. Saying I understand the issue so well that > anyone who disagrees can -only- be deluded ... stikes me as being elitist > and preduidiced. That's not quite what I'm saying. I'm NOT saying that "everyone who disagrees just has their head in the sand". I'm saying that nobody puts up any kind of argument AGAINST the idea. They just flatly deny it. There aren't even TWO compelling sides (let alone three or four). There is the well-founded argument that it's happening and the unsupported assertion that it is not happening. Of course, the unsupported assertion is given creedence by a false sense of objectivity in the press. The press says "Gee, I can't just present this one side... I have to report on the other side." Yet there's no argument on the other side, but a whole lot of denial. So articles say things like 'Senator Soandso disagrees with this idea and calls those who support it "unamerican naysayers".' > Thanks for the tip on how to get the digest to spit out faster. Thats > useful:-). Yeah, I thought THAT was hilarious. I never considered doing it, either... of course I don't get the digest. > Utter ignorance ... what -is- Space Ghost? Never saw Space Ghost back in the sixties? It was one of those HORRIBLY animated Hanna-Barbera cartoons. It took place in deeep space and Space Ghost was the hero. He could turn invisible and shoot energy bolts from his wrist gauntlets. The shows were mind-numbingly formulaic and are, by today's standards, unwatchable except by the most diehard kitsch addict. Cartoon Network (which owns the rights to a whole lot of shit that nobody wants to watch... seeing that it's all part of AOL/TimeWarner/Turner) has a show that uses the Space Ghost characters (just re-used animation clips... just like the original series) and makes them interact as the cast and crew of a television talk show. The audio tracks are original recording. The schtick (beyond using recycled cartoons as the cast of a talk show) is that Space Ghost is more or less insane and the interviews are a brilliant kind of absurdist satire (but, of course, oh-so-knowing and ironic). It took me a while to get used to it, but now I find it impossible to tear my eyes away from an episode. That said, we no longer have cable and probably watch 90 minutes of TV per week anyway, so I don't really miss it. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 19:41:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Children's Illustrators I appreciate ALL of the feedback and names for Illustrators to work on. As it turns out, I was ASSIGNED 2, so much for going to a liberal school that is pro-choice. I got assigned: Norman Birdwell of Clifford (red Dog) fame and Bruce Deger of Magic School bus fame. I think when I present Bruce, I'll play the Who's Magic Bus. Oh well.... Back to Work! Herbie np -> "Lotus" REM Unplugged 2001 (Complete show) Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #334 ********************************