From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #333 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, September 8 2001 Volume 10 : Number 333 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: bjork, laurie anderson [strange little woj ] Re: bjork, laurie anderson [Tom Clark ] please don't do that ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: please don't do that [Ken Weingold ] Re: bjork, laurie anderson [strange little woj ] Re: where is old Zealand? [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Like a trollin' stone [Michael Wolfe ] Re: bjork, laurie anderson [David Librik ] RE: Like a trollin' stone ["Brian Huddell" ] RE: Like a trollin' stone [Capuchin ] The Bitmine Bunch [Eb ] Re: please don't do that [steve ] RE: Like a trollin' stone [Eb ] RE: Like a trollin' stone ["Brian Huddell" ] Re: The Bitmine Bunch [strange little woj ] New Jeff Magnum release ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] a question for the fegBands [bayard ] Re: McCartney tribute [Eb ] Re: All the political analysis you really need [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: bjork, laurie anderson [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: bjork, laurie anderson [Mike Swedene ] oct 19th london gig [bayard ] Politics of Light ["Budd Leia" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 17:55:00 -0400 From: strange little woj Subject: Re: bjork, laurie anderson when we last left our heroes, Andrew D. Simchik exclaimed: >I don't have the CD, but I'm pretty sure I heard a fair number of >those songs last night at her show. The show was incredible, by >the way. She played a surprisingly diverse mix of songs from all >her albums (and a couple of breathtaking pieces from her Moby Dick >show, unless I miss my guess) except, unfortunately, _Mister Heartbreak_. did she use the sonic harpoons from "moby dick"? >But anyway, the weak >points of the show, in my opinion, were the songs that must be on >the new album. They were pleasant, but the lyrics were remarkably >unremarkable. i've only listened to _life on a string_ a couple times so i haven't really gelled an opinion yet. the word that comes to mind is "pleasant" which is not a good word. i remember thinking "wow!" a couple times but, for the most part, felt it was in _strange angels'_ vein without being nearly as striking. caught bjvrk on letterman earlier this week. it was her, zeena parkins on harp (looking the most glamorous she's probably ever been), a couple knob-twidlers, and a choir of greenlanders (inuit, i suppose). pretty nice performance. again, i've only heard the album a couple times so far but i like it. i've never flipped out over bjvrk, though i loved the first sugarcubes record. i think i appreciate her music more than i like it, if that makes any sense. still, _vespertine_ sounds like it could go farther than her other records for me. speaking of late night teevee, the white stripes were on kilbourn (or was it conan?) on monday. sorry, tclark, i didn't see the point. woj ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 15:08:56 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: bjork, laurie anderson on 9/7/01 2:55 PM, strange little woj at woj@smoe.org wrote: > speaking of late night teevee, the white stripes were on kilbourn (or was > it conan?) on monday. sorry, tclark, i didn't see the point. But woj, there's a chick in the band! or are you still angry about that NMH thing? - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 15:38:50 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: please don't do that >From: steve >Subject: Who needs to be a minister when you can get this stuff! > > From: fpqvg@maktoob.com >Date: Wed Aug 22, 2001 04:05:28 PM US/Central >To: >Subject: Have You Never Been Mellow? > >Greetings & Blessings To You! > >Offering for your "Sensitive" Delight: [miles and miles of spam snipped] Were you just trying to make the political discussion seem less annoying? >From: Ken Weingold > >Sony Vaios absolutely suck big donkey dick. I hate them. Can you be more specific about the reasons for and the methods by which they suck big donkey dick, so that I am never tempted to buy one (except for my donkey, I suppose)? Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 18:47:40 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: please don't do that On Fri, Sep 7, 2001, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > >Sony Vaios absolutely suck big donkey dick. I hate them. > > Can you be more specific about the reasons for and the methods > by which they suck big donkey dick, so that I am never tempted > to buy one (except for my donkey, I suppose)? Figuratively or literally? As in an explanation of donkus fellatius or why Vaios are bad? - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 19:22:15 -0400 From: strange little woj Subject: Re: bjork, laurie anderson when we last left our heroes, Tom Clark exclaimed: >But woj, there's a chick in the band! believe it or not, that's not my only criteria! >or are you still angry about that NMH thing? why would i be angry about a free cd? woj ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 11:42:46 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: where is old Zealand? Natalie ponders: >Subject: where is old Zealand? the first pakeha (= European) to visit these shores was Abel Tasman in 1642. He took one look and headed home without stepping on shore. Home to the province of Zealand, in the Netherlands. >>Ch'ch is about the size of Portland, and >>Dunedin's about the size of Eugene. So if I said 'do you know Arthur Q. >>Grumbleburper from Eugene?', what's the chance that you would? > >"Oh, you're from Australia? Do you know Bob?" > - Joel Hodgson > >No, I don't seriously think you know everyone in NZ, but since you seem to >know half the famous musicians there, I merely assumed... :) :) that's what comes of (a) working at a student radio station; (b) hanging around in Roi Colbert's record shop; and (c) performing my own music in public, all in Dunedin, home of 'the Dunedin sound'. James PS - no, I've never met Chris Knox! James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 15:22:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Wolfe Subject: Like a trollin' stone Jesus, Jeme! What the hell is wrong with you? Why in God's name are you wasting so much bandwidth trying to convince eb of your point? I can't imagine *anything* more inconsequential than eb's opinion. It's not like he's capable of any action more significant than registering his displeasure on internet mailing lists devoted to obscure musicians anyway. He might believe whole-heartedly that bike enthusiasts taller than 6' should be dropped in sulfuric acid and you would catch me stifling a yawn, because what eb thinks has no bearing on what happens in the world. I mean, it's not like he's capable of actually going out and *doing* anything about it. His political helplessness is part and parcel with his identity. So even if you do get him to agree with you, it'd be like convincing a turtle of the merits of flying. Or, for another zoological analogy, who was it that said, "Don't teach the mules to play the violin. The mules don't like it, and it sounds terrible." I also find it perplexing that you're so surprised at eb's refusal to discuss the post's content rather than it's style. When have you known eb *not* to embrace style and superficiality over substance? Every post of any length from him reeks of onanistic triviality, so why did you expect any different this time? Sheesh, it's like you've fallen in the ocean and are surprised to find that it's wet. For example: >Well, pushing nasty buzzword buttons was the thrust of the >piece. ELITE! LIBERAL! ELITE! LIBERAL! Obviously signals an >unreliable speaker, who's stooping to a lot of short cuts to >make his point more dramatic. Kinda like the anti-abortionists >who just scream "BABYKILLER!" over and over, for instance. > >Ooh, "status quo"! There's another wonderful, >bound-to-stir-up-emotions term. Just the sort of cheap, >heatseeking buzzword which the mainstream media loves so much. >Oh no, the dreaded STATUS QUO! How could ANYONE not recoil from >that??? This is plain and simple, par-for-the-course ebbery. Completely ignoring the substance of the statement and focusing on the incidentals. He denies the actual meanings of the words, replaces what they signify with his own personal reaction, and universalizes that reaction. Can you imagine anything more narcissistic than that? (Narcissism, of course, being a fitting complement to onanism.) And this surprises you? Of course, I did find this amusing: >I never pretended that I have extensive political knowledge. Not for lack of opportunity to learn, certainly. He's been exposed to plenty of well-supported positions from all over the spectrum to either agree with or find fault with, been presented with all sorts of information that a little investigation could either confirm or contradict, and he's run away screaming every time. And every time he takes his personal distaste for politics (understandable, if not terribly productive) and projects it onto the subject universally. It's not any revelation that that's exactly the reaction he's had this time. - -Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 19:19:04 -0500 From: David Librik Subject: Re: bjork, laurie anderson > caught bjvrk on letterman earlier this week. it was her, zeena parkins on > harp (looking the most glamorous she's probably ever been), a couple > knob-twidlers, and a choir of greenlanders (inuit, i suppose). This is purely a request for Bjork trivia, but I thought someone here might know: what's the story on her ancestry? She does not look typically Icelandic (Nordic). My first reaction on seeing her is that she's a Greenlander, or her family's from there. - - David Librik p.s. I was also surprised to hear that she had been in the Sugarcubes, since I remember hearing them for the first time on the radio some years ago, and the DJ's intro rant about how wonderful their music is lasted about twice as long as the song he played! (I didn't see the wonderfulness, to be honest.) So I always figured "Here's a really obscure band I'll never hear about again..." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 20:10:03 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Like a trollin' stone > Why in God's name are you wasting so much bandwidth trying to > convince eb of your point? At least Jeme and Vivien address Eb directly. This third-person, like-he's-not-in-the-room shit is just ugly and mean. What drives *you* to trash another person at such length? We really needed a 12 KB catalog of all the ways you feel superior to Eb? > He might believe whole-heartedly that bike enthusiasts taller than > 6' should be dropped in sulfuric acid and you would catch me > stifling a yawn ... You must be doing it wrong. Try putting both hands over your mouth. See? No typing! +brian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 18:56:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: Like a trollin' stone On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Brian Huddell wrote: > At least Jeme and Vivien address Eb directly. This third-person, > like-he's-not-in-the-room shit is just ugly and mean. Michael was addressing me, not Eb. He was trying to make a point to me about wasing my time and I appreciate it. He knows damned well (and I probably should have) that Eb just ignores any criticism of substance. So why would he try to address THAT directly? > What drives *you* to trash another person at such length? We really > needed a 12 KB catalog of all the ways you feel superior to Eb? I don't think Michael ever said that he was superior to Eb... I think he said he was superior to me for not addressing Eb directly. Surely he was writing about how he feels about Eb, but I don't think he was putting those things in contrast to himself. Do you really believe that all criticism is just a superiority dance? > You must be doing it wrong. Try putting both hands over your mouth. > See? No typing! Cute. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 18:49:38 -0700 From: Eb Subject: The Bitmine Bunch Well, gosh, Michael...I didn't know you cared! I do look forward to your more substantial efforts to change the world through film reviews. And I do apologize for posting trivial opinions on music to a Robyn Hitchcock mailing list, rather than onanistic political diatribes. - --- Speaking of trivial music, I received the new McCartney tribute albums today. I've only skimmed them so far, but the tracks seem a bit too much on the "copycat" side. Robyn's cut is...OK. Not a McCartney song I'm particularly fond of, and Robyn's voice sounds noticeably tired. Recorded in the middle of the Soft Boys tour, perhaps? Also, something doesn't quite seem right about the central guitar riff. It sounds a bit pinched and awkward somehow, like Kimberley (or Robyn?) had trouble physically reaching the fingerings. This list is dyin', man. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 21:01:10 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: please don't do that On Friday, September 7, 2001, at 05:38 PM, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > [miles and miles of spam snipped] > > Were you just trying to make the political discussion seem less > annoying? You'll never catch me trying to make something less annoying. I'd been saving that spam just so I could one-up lj the next time she posted one. - - Steve __________ A New York Times investigation into overseas ballots that helped George W. Bush win the presidency found that Florida election officials, facing intense GOP pressure to accept military votes, counted hundreds of overseas absentee ballots that failed to comply with state election laws. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 19:23:03 -0700 From: Eb Subject: RE: Like a trollin' stone The Guardian of Substance: >Michael was addressing me, not Eb. He was trying to make a point to me >about wasing my time and I appreciate it. He knows damned well (and I >probably should have) that Eb just ignores any criticism of substance. So >why would he try to address THAT directly? Perhaps you Bitterminers can launch a #eb chatroom somewhere. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 21:32:07 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Like a trollin' stone Jeme: > On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Brian Huddell wrote: > > At least Jeme and Vivien address Eb directly. This third-person, > > like-he's-not-in-the-room shit is just ugly and mean. > > Michael was addressing me, not Eb. He was trying to make a > point to me about wasing my time and I appreciate it. He > knows damned well (and I probably should have) that Eb just > ignores any criticism of substance. So why would he try to > address THAT directly? This is the most disingenuous thing I've ever heard you say, unless you are truly deluded. Yes, the *style* of Michael's post is a dig at you for wasting your time. I read the same words you read. The *substance*, however, is a rehash of Eb's failings. Read it again, and tell me that the point about not wasting your time is the true thematic thrust of his post, and I'll know how seriously to take your writing in the future. If Eb had used the same device you would have seen right through it. > Do you really believe that all criticism is just a superiority dance? No. But it's natural to wonder about person's motivations. Jeez, did it really read to you like an attempt to make the world a better place? Like there was some important lesson to be gleaned from Eb's perceived narcissism? 5 paragraphs about how inconsequential he is?! If not superiority then what, irony? From here it looks like your bullshit detector stops working when people start agreeing with you. +brian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 22:53:23 -0400 From: strange little woj Subject: Re: The Bitmine Bunch when we last left our heroes, Eb exclaimed: >Speaking of trivial music, I received the new McCartney tribute albums >today. I've only skimmed them so far, but the tracks seem a bit too much on >the "copycat" side. Robyn's cut is...OK. is it credited to robyn solo or the soft boys? if the former and you have liner notes, is the soft boys who are backing him up? >Not a McCartney song I'm >particularly fond of, and Robyn's voice sounds noticeably tired. Recorded >in the middle of the Soft Boys tour, perhaps? i seem to remember matthew seligman saying that the track was recorded during the winter before the tour, but they certainly had time to work on it again after they got back to the uk. >This list is dyin', man. i recall lots of people saying the same thing when you came on board, bub. woj ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 22:13:54 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: New Jeff Magnum release OK, all you non-NMH people can ignore this. New NMH-related release: Mangum, Jeff "Live at Jittery Joe's." Both audio tracks and video images of Jeff's first live solo recording. Acoustic solo versions of NMH classics, prev. unre. songs, and Phil Spector's "I Love How You Love Me." (Orange Twin records) NP: Fleetwood Mac, "Rumors" DVD-A. I bought it to satisfy my curiousity about the new extended resolution formats. Dang, the mix they did for it is weird, but kinda cool at the same time. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 21:40:33 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: a question for the fegBands I'm trying to help my friend john's band get a toehold on the net's music communities, and mp3.com doesn't really seem to cut it anymore - can anyone recommend other places to get listed/indexed? have a good weekend - go outside and play! =b ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 22:02:28 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: McCartney tribute >>Speaking of trivial music, I received the new McCartney tribute albums >>today. I've only skimmed them so far, but the tracks seem a bit too much on >>the "copycat" side. Robyn's cut is...OK. > >is it credited to robyn solo or the soft boys? if the former and you have >liner notes, is the soft boys who are backing him up? It's credited to Robyn, and the inserted picture is of him alone. It looks a few years old, like maybe from the Respect era. "Lead Vocals and Guitar Robyn Hitchcock Vocals and Drums Morris Windsor Guitar Kimberley Rew Bass Matthew Seligman Produced by the Soft Boys and Pat Collier Engineered by Pat Collier Recorded at the Gravity Shack, London England, January 2001" All the songs have short liner-note blurbs, which generally sound like the first-person reflections of the artist. Robyn's introduction is more distant, however. Doesn't sound like something he'd write. "'Let Me Roll It' is a dramatic, ominous song that glides effortlessly between folk, metal, and R 'n B. McCartney captures the thrill and terror of falling in love, and manages a nod to Lennon in the electrifying guitar riffs. The song also appears to be in two keys...great melody and focused lyrics. I'll give it '5,' Paul!" I was trying to remember...weren't there some artists who were last-minute deleted from this compilation because of legal snares? Ben Folds and XTC, maybe? Bub, thinking it's kinda odd that the album is called Listen to What the Man Said, yet that song isn't covered ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 23:57:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: All the political analysis you really need steve wrote: > These guys are at least momentarily brilliant (ie, they're saying > what I said 10 months ago). > > http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/07/opinion/07FRIE.html > > http://www.consortiumnews.com/2001/090501a.html i still, in what ought to be too cynical but isn't, say that Gore lost Tennessee (and thus, kept the election from being unstealable in florida) because too many people (even though they'd never admit it) are too anti-semitic to elect a Jewish vice president. as for the second article, it is right that the left has failed to win the hearts and minds of what ought to be it's core constituancy, and that has had as great deal to allowing the democrats to chase corporate dollars at full speed. and that failure is for the most part stylistic rather than substantive (mostly smugness and condescention). but i really don't want to get into the eb vs. the northwest non-argument but really just people saying different, only peripherally related things flying by one another at high velocity thingambob. > > > - Steve > > __________ > Calling George W. Bush and Jesse Helms "public servants" is like > calling > Iran-contra criminal Elliott Abrams an "outstanding diplomat"--which > is > precisely what White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer did when he > announced Abrams' appointment as senior director of the National > Security Council's Office for Democracy, Human Rights and > International > Operations. - Terry J. Allen, In These Times ===== "Loyalty to a petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul." -- Mark Twain "The divinity of Jesus has been made a convenient cover for every absurdity." -- John Adams "The jury is the last line of defense against corporate misconduct." -- Craig McDonald, Texans for Public Justice Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 03:49:12 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: bjork, laurie anderson On Fri, Sep 7, 2001, David Librik wrote: > p.s. I was also surprised to hear that she had been in the Sugarcubes, > since I remember hearing them for the first time on the radio some > years ago, and the DJ's intro rant about how wonderful their music is > lasted about twice as long as the song he played! (I didn't see the > wonderfulness, to be honest.) So I always figured "Here's a really > obscure band I'll never hear about again..." Oh, shit. Is there where some of us show our ages? :) Sorry if I am off here on a matter of coincidence, David, but yes, I remember Bjork very well in the Sugarcubes in the late 80's. I was never really into them, though. But, I always had the hots for her. A gay friend of mine said that she was the only woman he would have ever been with. I saw The Sugarcubes 1.5 times. The 1 time was on that PiL, Sugarcubes, and New Order tour in '89, and the .5 time was at The Ritz in NY at the Ian McCullough show. The Sugarcubes happened to be in NY, so they showed up at the end of the show on stage and did a song or two. No clue was it was. Too long ago. :) - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 12:14:31 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: bjork, laurie anderson - -- David Librik is rumored to have mumbled on Freitag, 7. September 2001 19:19 Uhr -0500 regarding Re: bjork, laurie anderson: > p.s. I was also surprised to hear that she had been in the Sugarcubes, > since I remember hearing them for the first time on the radio some > years ago, and the DJ's intro rant about how wonderful their music is > lasted about twice as long as the song he played! (I didn't see the > wonderfulness, to be honest.) So I always figured "Here's a really > obscure band I'll never hear about again..." Well, I liked the Sugarcubes much better than Bjvrk's solo work. They were one of my favorite bands at the time. Actually they were pretty big in Europe. I guess they just never made it in the US - nor would they really have wanted to be. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 08:47:04 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: smug laptop blather On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Ken Weingold wrote: > suck. Sony Vaios absolutely suck big donkey dick. I hate them. The not to gainsay you, but i'm curious on why such a strong opinion -- i've only worked with them a little bit, but i didn't notice any obvious performance issues, or ergonomic concerns (except for inflight use, those peripheral cables aren't permitted due to RF emission potential) > Dells seem to be really nice. Toshibas are supposed to be really Dells are generally nice, but pricey, and the quality control goes up & down & theyoften have out-of-the-box compatibility issues -- for a while they were shipping with an installed NIC card and modem card that did *not* play well togheter. THey almost always make it right in the end, but I'd be a little leery of buying one for home use. Last couple (high-end) Toshiba's were pretty good. Toshiba really pissed me off a couple years back with proprietary sound drivers that conflicted with tons of standard sftware, but they seem to have cleaned up their act on the last few box variants i've seen. > also good, but my brother has one for work and hates the keyboard > layout since they put the Fn key on the bottom left, with control the only time you should ever use the keyboard on a laptop is when you're on an airplane. i'm not kidding. get an external keyboard, for $20-50 bucks, and when you're my age, you'll still be able to move your fingers. it's almost impossible to use any laptop keyboard, with the laptop on a desk or table of any standard height, w/o putting your wrists at real risk. i hate to plump for bill, but the ms "natural" keyboards are really great -- the downside: after a couple weeks they're *much* more comfortable, but it's hard to switch between the angled layout and the straight if I have to use someone else's 'puter. > back had them in the standard keyboard layout. Very nice. I > personally hate the pencil eraser mice, and have gotten very good with i hate the pencil erasers too. very easy to bump when you don't mean to; hard to coordinate key+mouse move/click actions. the little touch pads are better (again, surprise! i recommend hooking up an external mouse.) if i had an unlimited budget (ha!) to buy a laptop today i'd probably go with a gateway; surprised they didn't come up. as it is, once a couple clients pay me i might see if i can scam something at some computer show, or, how horrible are those tiger direct things? anyone have any experience? one of my band mates got one and actually seems pretty happy... - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 08:47:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Re: bjork, laurie anderson Bjork's career is super diverse. She started singing at the age of 7 or 8 and released a children's album in Iceland (where she sings Fool On The Hill in Icelandic). She was a superstar in her homeland before she was 10. her career has varied from Kid's songs to Pubk (KUKL) to Jazzy trio lounge-esque music (Gling Glo) to the "alternative" (Sugarcubes) and finally her solo stuff. If any one is interested in her earlier stuff. let me know. I have most of her other albums that are hard to find. Thanks! Herbie ps - I updated my boot list: http://midy.topcities.com/ np-> Weezer 6/9/01 Island In The Sun Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 09:05:25 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: oct 19th london gig not sure if this has been posted, but here are a few more details on this upcoming gig. (from www.sbc.org.uk) Fri 19 Oct 2001 8:00pm Royal Festival Hall The Pretty Things & The Soft Boys Mind Your Head: A Sonic Trip on the South Bank The Pretty Things play SF Sorrow (narrator Arthur Brown) wth Special Guest David Gilmour & The Soft Boys play Underwater Moonlight. Hook yourself to a telephone or the RFH web-site and buy tickets now. This is the kind of double-bill hitch-hikers cross continents to catch. Pretty Things kicked off UK '60s Rock-Blues - as significantly as The Rolling Stones - and, having triumphed, moved on to psychedelia. With 'S.F Sorrow' they gave us the first rock opera when 'Tommy' was still a Townsend dream. Their 'Parachute' was a Rolling Stone Album of the year. Bowie and the Stooges are Grade A fans. Why ? Because Pretty Things are already over a horizon most bands can't even see. The Soft Boys brought psychedelia to the UK indie scene. Inspiring bands from the Teardrop Explodes to REM, their 'Underwater Moonlight' album opened the '80s to a hotbed of purple guitar. Robyn Hitchcock remains the most famous name but this is a whole band of impetuous upstarts. Click to copy this event into your calendar 17.50 (bcdefgp) 15 (hjlru) 12.50 (kmno) No concessions. *SBC(charity) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 17:17:14 +0000 From: "Budd Leia" Subject: Politics of Light "But cleanliness of the soul is important, dont you thee-ee-ink?" Robyn Hitchcock NAT: >I had a dream the other night that my endocrinologist's office had grown >vast and labyrinthine, and I was wandering around holding a water glass >with a urine sample in one hand, and a water glass with a blood >sample in >the other, and I looked up at a TV monitor and saw a very cool, colorful >video for XTC's "We're All Light." I woke up convinced >that the >videoreally existed, and was bummed when I realized that it didn't. >But that dream isn't nearly as cool as Susan's. Its pretty cool. And the title and video sound great. Wandering thru our science section I found this book "Empire of Light: a history of discovery in science and art." The author is a physics prof who deals with how we perceive light, how that effects our aesthetic sense and all the theories artists and scientists have constructed round light. But I bet the video was better. Do you rememeber any of it? So many books so little time. BTW Ive been suprised no one on here has mentioned the recent possible scientific shake-up: that the speed of light, our one remaining constant, may -not- be constant, that as creation ages the speed may change. The initial experiment has to be replicated but I sorta hope its prooved. It feels right symbolically. - ------------ Viv: >Those in power influence the media, and the media report on events in >a >way that pleases the powerful. You know Viv, when you say it like that--I agree wholeheartedly. My problem with the article in question is not the contents but the tone. Its the tone of a mean drunk right before closing, bullying the other, less opinionated patrons. It reeks of self-righteousness, of self-angrandiezment(his opinions are -very- good indeed) and most of all and most noxiously, of contempt for all wart-hogs out there who may not be properly impressed by his arguments or his manner. I dont like reading someone who does not have the courtesy to respect his or her prospective reader(e.i. me.). If he can't do me the favor of treating me as an intelligent human being I dont see why he should expect me to treat him like one. I dont like anything that feels at all like agitprop or propaganda. Its an instinctual, not even an intellectual distaste. Because, if the author is willing to demean the reader by using such tools, what are his values in terms of how he treats others? In short, his means undercut his proported ends. Fraid I was spoiled by too much Orwell at an early age. Persuede me. Be elegent and smart and deftly demonstrate the absudity of your opponent's position. But dont yell at me. I dont like it. - -------------- Jeme: >People acting in a community know all kinds of motivation beside >monetary >compensation. People acting in a capitalist market are >acting >irresponsibly and irrationally if they are motivated by than >profit. The >values of the capitalist market are bleeding into the >values of the people in our communities. Moreover (and moreso... >and >moreobviously), those values are growing deep roots in our p>olitical >system and our laws. Put it like that, and for the second time in a week, I agree with you. >In fact, the only argument AGAINST the idea that profit is becoming >the >ONLY legitimate motivation for human action and interaction is > >head-in-the-sand denial But heres where I disagree. Saying I understand the issue so well that anyone who disagrees can -only- be deluded ... stikes me as being elitist and preduidiced. My self-knowledge conspires to keep me from thinking myself omnipotent;o). Pretty much right (which is unrealistic enough;-), but not all right all the time. - --------------------------- BTW Eddie-- Thanks for the tip on how to get the digest to spit out faster. Thats useful:-). - -------------------------- Eb: I also have a copy of the new Dylan, thanks to being friends with a poster on the Dylan ls. Havent listened to it yet. As for people calling it a masterpeice over there, according to my friend it is verbotem to say anything negative about the man. You will be flamed into ashes of toast if you do. My friend -dosnt- like it and he's keepng his mouth closed. Ill ask him where the lyrics are posted. For good lyricists, I find I like to listen to a song a few times, then read and really absorb the lyrics - -without- the music, then go back and just emmerse yourself in the whole experience. Different parts of your brain process lyrics vr music, I like giving them both their due before trying for what really counts, the synthasis. And my friend has read postings on the Dylan LS bout Robyn and his Dylan covers. Now he's interested in hearing what Robyn sounds like. Im going to make him a CDR. Any suggestions anyone? - ----------- Jonathan: >Babies do have pimples. Especially newborns. They may not be angst >oozing puss-holes of teenagers but they are honest hard working >pimples. Thank you, thank you for those pictures, they made my day:-). Yes littl'ens do have little pin-prick thingies, but youd -never- try to squeeze them. Katie was born with "angel kisses" on both eye-lids and a 3 inch long forelock of fine blonde hair. Soooooo cute. (All non-parents gag here;-) - --------------------- Utter ignorance ... what -is- Space Ghost? - -------------------- Kay "But cleanliness of the soul is important, dont you thee-ee-ink?" Robyn Hitchcock _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #333 ********************************