From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #330 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, September 7 2001 Volume 10 : Number 330 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Illustrators/Dunedin/Chu(r)ch [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Illustrators/Dunedin/Chu(r)ch [Christopher Gross ] Geranium Dreams ["Budd Leia" ] UM mp3s [melissa ] wasting time at work as usual [Natalie Jane Jacobs ] Reap ["SIMPSON,HAMISH (A-Scotland,ex1)" ] Re: Macca and Thyme [Tom Clark ] churning out semen? ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] i'd like some acid with my tomato [dmw ] Re: the little spelunker that could [Capuchin ] Re: Macca and Thyme ["Ultimate Goal" ] Maine Coon Cat (0% RH) ["Ultimate Goal" ] Re: Macca and Thyme [Tom Clark ] Re: the little spelunker that could ["JH3" ] Re: the little spelunker that could [Eb ] Re: political trolls defending their own [Eb ] Re: political trolls defending their own [Eb ] matador news [strange little woj ] Re: political trolls defending their own [Viv Lyon ] Re: political trolls defending their own [Eb ] Re: political trolls defending their own [Viv Lyon ] Space Ghost [Mike Swedene ] Re: Maine Coon Cat (0% RH) [steve ] Re: political trolls defending their own [Eb ] Re: political trolls defending their own [Viv Lyon ] Re: Maine Coon Cat (0% RH) [JH3 ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 01:04:13 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Illustrators/Dunedin/Chu(r)ch how come no-one's mentioned MC Escher yet? Ernest Shepherd Gustave Dore Edward Gorey (who else?) Norman Lindsay >Got my hair cut by a guy from Christchurch, New Zealand... he was cute, of >course. Surprisingly, he did not know James!!! I was shocked! He did >not know Chris Knox either, but claimed he was a "national >institution" and was now a movie critic on TV. Huh? yup. Chris Knox did do movie reviews on TV for a while, on a now sadly defunct arts programme called Backchat. Unfortunately the host of the programme got into a brawl with a cameraman and the powers that be decided to can the series, officially because it was too elitist. Which means we now have a couple of lowest-common-denominator arts programmes in its place. Ah joy. Chris also does a regular comic strip in our top magazine ("The listener"). As for not knowing me :) - The south island's two largest cities are about the size of Oregon's two largest. Ch'ch is about the size of Portland, and Dunedin's about the size of Eugene. So if I said 'do you know Arthur Q. Grumbleburper from Eugene?', what's the chance that you would? >I embarrassed myself by mispronouncing "Dunedin." James, you have to warn >me about these things ahead of time. an easy mistake to make, since it's named after Edinburgh (it's the Gaelic equivalent of the same word), BUT pronounced with a long stressed "e" to rhyme with feedin', needin', weedin', and readin' (but not the one in Berkshire). DOON-eh-din, indeed! Like to take a crack at pronouncing a town 50 km north of here - Waikouaiti? :) Terrence (or any of you other Floridian fegs), how is Dunedin, FL pronounced? AFAIK it's the only other Dunedin on the planet. >Chuch, Box of Birds-- >Thanks to whoever mentioned this, I just got it >& it's lots of fun. I had their big hit album >& thought it was over produced. I always had >a closet fondness for The Porpoise Song. twas I, and s'aright. Glad its found another fan. As to 'their big hit album', I take it you mean "Starfish". Here in NZ, ISTR that "Of skins and heart" was a bigger album (and that was as overproduced as Underwater Moonlight - i.e., not at all!), as were Heyday and Seance (both far better albums than Starfish) James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 10:52:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Illustrators/Dunedin/Chu(r)ch On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, James Dignan wrote: > DOON-eh-din, indeed! Like to take a crack at pronouncing a town 50 km north > of here - Waikouaiti? :) That's pronounced "throat-warbler mango," if I'm not mistaken. - --Chris (pron. "yacht") ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 09:57:21 -0500 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Re: Raymond Luxury Yacht You must have the largest dental appendages... Michael who's not prepared to continue, unless you agree to go on a camping holiday with him > That's pronounced "throat-warbler mango," if I'm not mistaken. > > > --Chris (pron. "yacht") > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. > chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 15:16:21 +0000 From: "Budd Leia" Subject: Geranium Dreams "But cleanliness of the soul is important, dont you thee-ee-ink?" Robyn Hitchcock I wrote yester: >getting to pop the pimples on your baby's back. An elemental, almost > >ape-like grooming procedure with sexual overtones >(theres something so, er, primeval bout "liberating" all that ozzing >white >stuff.) It has been pointed out to me that my use of "baby" was ambigious. Hey, Im not -that- big a perv. And besides babys dont -have- pimples. So please substitute for "baby" the less subtle "hunka chunk of burning love." Thank you. Thank you very much. - ------------- Susan: >What I had >previously considered a "bare minimum" for grooming was >actually what the daughters of New England around me would >maybe do for a dance or other "occasion". Right! As a daughter of NE thats me. And being a hippy as a teenager left no room for "charm school"( plus dont think it even existed in my neck of the woods.) This however does not mean Im without vanity. If anything I have too much of it. Just am not comfortable that I have it. >That being said, I had no idea what to do with eyeshadow until >about a year ago. If youre ever on the East Coast, could you stop by and give me a clue? >a middle-aged woman >accordion player with medium-length dark hair, who wore bright >pink lipstick and had spent too much of her youth tanning. Put some blonde n grey in that hair and can the accordion and that could be me. I should probobly have my face ripped off( a beauty product/treatment popular with my contemporaries) so a new fresh pink one could grow back. But I keep spending my money on unimportant stuff like books n music n plants n my daughters education. Oh well. I probobly need therapy so Ill take my vanity seriously. Im suprised the fashion magazines havent run articles on the fact that a shocking 20% of the culture is so psychologically dysfunctional they dont see their vanity as a virtue. Oh Susan, what a great symbol in your dream. Worth more than a thousand bits of vanity. Who did the geranium remind you of? - ------------------- Melissa: >My absolute favorite is Aubrey Beardsley. Finally got to see an >original >pen >drawing that was more amazing than I can express in words. I think >he did >some arthurian myth type drawings if those count. Yes, his first major stuff I think, even before Salome and the Yellow book covers, was of Malory's Morte D'Arthur. I think he also did some Volsug saga stuff too. Not sure youd call it kiddy fare thou. It might get the little tykes searching out his really grotesque, beautiful, flat out out there sexual, past sexual stuff, which was way cool. - ------------------ Ungrumpy Godders: >Did my bYou illustrator fans didn't mention the brilliant Pauline >Baynes, >who did >the Narnia pictures and the excellent illustrations for Father Giles >of Ham. And didn't she do a map of Middle Earth once? I'd like to get >hold of that. I think half of my brains must have fallen out on the way to work that I missed that. So so yes. I think she did a map of Narnia too. And love your aardvark joke:-). Kay "But cleanliness of the soul is important, dont you thee-ee-ink?" Robyn Hitchcock _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 16:09:22 -0000 From: melissa Subject: UM mp3s Does anyone have these and would anyone be willing to burn me a copy? I had a subscription and had downloaded a lot of files but they are on my work computer and I will be leaving this job soon and have to delete all personal things. email me off list thanks Melissa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 09:19:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Natalie Jane Jacobs Subject: wasting time at work as usual >It's great to hear the adventures of another >Ross. What happened to Ross Overbury? I sometimes think of my friend Ross as "hross," the seal-like creatures from "Out of the Silent Planet." (Not that Ross is tall, black-furred, and whiskered. OK, he's tall.) >There should be a school for beauty product morons, where they teach you >how to put on mascara without smearing it into racoon circles, shave your >legs without nicking them(waxing would be part of the graduate >progrom) or hell, - - just getting a straight part in your hair. This is an excellent idea. I never used make-up till I was in college, and even now I am still learning how to put on eyeliner properly. (I'm not big on eye make-up since glasses obscure it.) The hair-parting thing is a lost cause. >How is it pronounced? I always assumed it was "DUN-eh-din," or maybe >"DOON-eh-din." Just curious. It's "dun-EE-din," apparently. Those krazy Kiwis! They even drive on the left there! >This was the premiere of a >film he had made, it was called "The Geranium That Was Bigger >than God". This is an awesome dream. May I use that title in a story someday? I had a dream the other night that my endocrinologist's office had grown vast and labyrinthine, and I was wandering around holding a water glass with a urine sample in one hand, and a water glass with a blood sample in the other, and I looked up at a TV monitor and saw a very cool, colorful video for XTC's "We're All Light." I woke up convinced that the video really existed, and was bummed when I realized that it didn't. But that dream isn't nearly as cool as Susan's. n. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 18:27:46 +0200 From: "SIMPSON,HAMISH (A-Scotland,ex1)" Subject: Reap Don't know when, but one of the saddest (for me) in recent musical history, Chuck Cuminale (Colorblind James). (H) "If nobody loves you in heaven, it's all just a roll of the dice." - CBJE ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 10:32:30 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Macca and Thyme on 9/5/01 3:40 PM, John Barrington Jones at jbjones@pdx.edu wrote: > Also, I'm looking for the following two songs in mp3 format: > > 1 Wild Mountain Thyme by Nigel & The Crosses (off that Byrds comp) http://homepage.mac.com/tomnco/FileSharing.html > 2 The Weekend's Too Short by Graham Parker. > What album is that from? I couldn't find it in my GP collection. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 10:36:09 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: churning out semen? >From: Eb > > >"After seven years of churning out seminal alternative music..." > > > >hard to tell whether that's crappy writing or just a lack of enthusiasm > >for the article's subject. > >Crappy writing, I suspect. :) Yeah, "seminal" is a tough word to pull off >without looking like a shmuck. And it's even tougher if you undermine it with the phrase "churning out." Wow! If they can churn out seminal music what could they do if they were really trying? >From: David Librik > >Do you think you could extend "book" to CD booklets >and liner notes, and thus pick up Robyn Hitchcock? Would that be Children's Lit? >From: Eb > >Well, pushing nasty buzzword buttons was the thrust of the piece. ELITE! >LIBERAL! ELITE! LIBERAL! Obviously signals an unreliable speaker, who's >stooping to a lot of short cuts to make his point more dramatic. Kinda >like the >anti-abortionists who just scream "BABYKILLER!" over and over, for instance. I read the piece, I didn't really cotton to it, but I didn't get this impression from it at all. Maybe you just react more strongly to those "buzzwords" than others do. Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 14:37:26 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: i'd like some acid with my tomato On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Tom Clark wrote: > > 2 The Weekend's Too Short by Graham Parker. > > > > What album is that from? I couldn't find it in my GP collection. the criminally underrated _steady nerves_. (the "& the shot" record.) my intro to graham parker was on the tour for that'n, when he absolutely friggin' blew lackluster snoozer eric clapton off the stage. (he on that dreadful record with "forever man" on it). opinionated? moi?? - -- d. - ------------------------------------------------- Mayo-Wells Media Workshop dmw@ http://www.mwmw.com mwmw.com Web Development * Multimedia Consulting * Hosting ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 13:36:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: the little spelunker that could On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Eb wrote: > Well, pushing nasty buzzword buttons was the thrust of the piece. No, the "buzzwords" that you see are not nasty, but accurate descriptions of the people involved. In fact, I'd say those words are largely self-descriptive. Personally, I think "neo-liberal" is a better description for that crop, but I understand why he stuck with the term they prefer. > ELITE! LIBERAL! ELITE! LIBERAL! Obviously signals an unreliable > speaker, What the FUCK is a "reliable speaker"? Journalists assume a false objectivity in an attempt to please advertisers and maintain the status quo. This absurd notion of objective journalism (along with the requirement of "news hook"... some event to trigger a story) came about exactly at the same time as advertiser supported media. As long as a reporter uses "neutral language" (which isn't neutral at all when you think about it... it legitimizes all acts by refering to everything in the same terms) the news agency can claim objectivity and no advertiser will be offended and no "consumer" (seeing as how that's all you are to an advertising-driven news agency) can point out the obvious pandering to the economic interests of the sponsors and the news agency's parent conglomerate. The myth of the reliable speaker also helps maintain the status quo by allowing for the automatic disqualification and marginalization of all value judgment. And how are we ever going to change things if we can't talk about what's right and what's wrong? > who's stooping to a lot of short cuts to make his point more dramatic. Yeah? What do you think are his points? Do you think they're valid? Why or why not? If "pushing nasty buzzword buttons was the thrust of the piece", then what point was he trying to make more dramatic? I hardly think that calling a spade a spade is "stooping". You still haven't responded to the meat of eddie's post (regardless of how you edit it in reply): On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Colonel of Truth wrote: > that's who the article is *about*, ass-wipe. if you want to critique > it based on the content, have at it. is it not logical? do you have > a problem with sourcing? are the facts adduced not up to snuff? do > you, even, dispute the existence of such a class of people (however > it's to be labeled)? very well. tell us why. Again, tell us WHY. As eddie astutely called out: > but dismissing the piece solely on the grounds that you have scanned > it and managed to identify a few (apparently) offensive "buzzwords" > (while it's perfectly acceptable behaviour for a syndicated columnist) > will not wash here. So, eddie told you that simply dismissing it because of the buzzwords doesn't wash. And you responded with "But there were SO MANY buzzwords!" Didn't wash before, doesn't wash now. If you're going to criticize, criticize on the merits of his statements, not how you think the statements should be made. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 17:03:33 -0400 From: "Ultimate Goal" Subject: Re: Macca and Thyme Thanks for that mp3 Tom! I don't think I've ever heard it. It certainly is beautious! Is this studio or live? Sounds studio. Nuppy >From: Tom Clark http://homepage.mac.com/tomnco/FileSharing.html _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 17:11:13 -0400 From: "Ultimate Goal" Subject: Maine Coon Cat (0% RH) Hello all, I'm currently looking for a Maine Coon kitten. Since there are many cat owners/lovers on this list I thought I'd ask if anyone knowns any good breeders. So that's my question in the form of a statement. Thanks! Nuppy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 14:17:11 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Macca and Thyme on 9/6/01 2:03 PM, Ultimate Goal at bnupp@hotmail.com wrote: > Thanks for that mp3 Tom! I don't think I've ever heard it. It certainly is > beautious! > > Is this studio or live? Sounds studio. > My pleasure. I believe it's a studio recording; all the other tracks on the album are. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 16:35:25 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: the little spelunker that could From: "Eb" : > ...Either way, > it's just a grudge-based, hotheaded smear piece trying > to pass itself off as scholarly "truth." Which you eagerly > lapped up, of course, because you get a hard-on for > any political opinion which has a superficial air of > "shaking things up." Now wait a minute here, Eb. Are you actually saying that the Liberal Elite's tacit complicity in the increasing political ascendancy of Evil Mega-Corporations is somehow NOT responsible for their seemingly-resultant acquisition of control over the mass media and the means of cultural influence, thus ultimately destroying our culture and, therefore, the social fabric? Hmmm, I guess I never thought about it that way! But are you SURE you're not just pissed off about that whole "perfect ass" thing? John "three days with no typos and couting" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 15:39:51 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: the little spelunker that could JH3: >Now wait a minute here, Eb. Are you actually saying that >the Liberal Elite's tacit complicity in the increasing political >ascendancy of Evil Mega-Corporations is somehow NOT >responsible for their seemingly-resultant acquisition of >control over the mass media and the means of cultural >influence, thus ultimately destroying our culture and, >therefore, the social fabric? Nice try, but you forget to add a mention of "the military-industrial complex." Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 16:02:43 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: political trolls defending their own Another stalwart of the smug Northwest "radical" crew predictably chimed in: >Journalists assume a false objectivity in an attempt to please advertisers >and maintain the status quo. [yadda yadda yadda] Ooh, "status quo"! There's another wonderful, bound-to-stir-up-emotions term. Just the sort of cheap, heatseeking buzzword which the mainstream media loves so much. Oh no, the dreaded STATUS QUO! How could ANYONE not recoil from that??? Funny how there's so much sneering on the Internet about who is "just trolling," etc...but if a professionally published article is written with the same form and intent, folks won't acknowledge that it's the same animal. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 16:50:19 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: political trolls defending their own >Well, I kinda thought "Pictures of Matchstick Men" was a catchy >tune..... That's only because you're a PAWN of the BUREAUCRATS and MADISON AVENUE, and their MAINSTREAM MEDIA AGENDA! Don't let them TELL YOU WHAT TO THINK!!! Eb, off to write some punk-rock lyrics ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 19:52:28 -0400 From: strange little woj Subject: matador news soft boys news from the latest matador mailshot... >Date: 6 Sep 2001 23:30:03 -0000 >To: matthew@matadorrecords.com >From: matthew@matadorrecords.com >Subject: Matador News Update for 6 September 2001 > >Matador News Update for 6 September 2001 >http://www.matadorrecords.com/news > > [snip] > >The Soft Boys -- New Recordings (Did We Mention This Already?) > >Robyn Hitchcock writes: > >"The Soft Boys are recording again soon; the room is filling up with >flies, which is suspicious as there's nothing dead in here. There's >that point when they buzz together and it sounds like vari-sped double- >tracking. Maybe once upon a time, George Martin was in the studio with >John Lennon and some flies came by... The group is sounding great! >Titles include 'The Disconnection Of The Ruling Class', 'Sudden Town', >'Nemesis Beach' and 'I'm So Glad You Love >Me.' I personally am a long or short way advanced on: > >- a novel >- a short story for Greg Kihn's book of rock musician authors >- a double CD of mostly live Bob Dylan covers and >- a new solo album. > >There is also a version of Paul McCartney's 'Let Me Roll It' that I >recorded >with the other Soft Boys in January, that has just been released on a >McCartney tribute record. The proceeds from this go to a breast cancer >charity; details available at http://www.tributellc.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 19:05:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Re: political trolls defending their own Face it, Eb. You can't come up with cogent reasons to disagree with the article, you just sense that it's somehow "wrong." So you blather on and on that the author was biased, ignoring the fact that every author is biased (and that recognizing bias is only the very beginning of a critique, rather than the beginning and end). You imagine that you've delivered a devastating blow, when all you've really done is say "I disagree, but I'm too boneheaded and lazy to tell you why. I'll repeat myself, though- I disagree. I really really really disagree." But you're missing the point- no one cares that you disagree. Lots of people don't agree with the analysis in this article. Big whoop. If you can't answer the direct question at hand (ie: _why_ you disagree with the statements in the article), then shut up or admit that you're in over your head on this one. Vivien ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 19:41:54 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: political trolls defending their own More from the Northwest clique: >Face it, Eb. You can't come up with cogent reasons to disagree with the >article, you just sense that it's somehow "wrong." So you blather on and >on that the author was biased, ignoring the fact that every author is >biased (and that recognizing bias is only the very beginning of a >critique, rather than the beginning and end). You imagine that you've >delivered a devastating blow, when all you've really done is say "I >disagree, but I'm too boneheaded and lazy to tell you why. I'll repeat >myself, though- I disagree. I really really really disagree." But you're >missing the point- no one cares that you disagree. Lots of people don't >agree with the analysis in this article. Big whoop. If you can't answer >the direct question at hand (ie: _why_ you disagree with the statements in >the article), then shut up or admit that you're in over your head on this >one. Hi Vivvie! Still one of the Enlightened Few, I see? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 20:05:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Re: political trolls defending their own On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Eb wrote: > Hi Vivvie! Still one of the Enlightened Few, I see? Enlightened enough to know (a) when someone is dodging the question, and (b) when someone is unwittingly descending into self-parody. - -V ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 20:34:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Space Ghost Thom Yorke and Bjork are gonna be on Space Ghost Coast to Coast tonight. Should be good. Herbie Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 22:40:52 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Maine Coon Cat (0% RH) On Thursday, September 6, 2001, at 04:11 PM, Ultimate Goal wrote: > Hello all, I'm currently looking for a Maine Coon kitten. Since there > are many cat owners/lovers on this list I thought I'd ask if anyone > knowns any good breeders. So that's my question in the form of a > statement. http://cats.about.com/cs/breeders/index.htm But a search for Maine Coon Cattery + your state ought to turn up something. But how's this for specialization, the MCBFA, or Maine Coon Breeders and Fanciers Association - http://www.mcbfa.org/ We've always had excellent luck just going to a local cat show and finding someone with "pet quality" kittens for sale (or show quality, if you want to drop the bucks). Anybody bothering to show is almost always going to be someone who cares about their cats. You can find TICA and CFA shows listed at the below sites. http://www.tica.org/ http://www.cfainc.org/ - - Steve __________ Nationalize Windows, let Bill keep the rest. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 21:15:23 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: political trolls defending their own Viv clawed: >> Hi Vivvie! Still one of the Enlightened Few, I see? > >Enlightened enough to know (a) when someone is dodging the question, and >(b) when someone is unwittingly descending into self-parody. I never pretended that I have extensive political knowledge. However, I do recognize when a speaker has no interest in understanding/exploring both sides of an equation, and only wants to bulldoze through his own crude, disingenuously biased spin for cheap, self-serving shock value. Shortly into this thread, Eddie bragged that the article was "agitprop." Exactly. I don't think there's anything further which needs to be said. Articles like that do little but make a writer's existing supporters smugly cluck with glee. Based on the responses from you and the other hate-filled Northwest beasts, I'd say this outcome was easily reached. Mission accomplished. Give yourselves another hearty pat on the back. You da man. Just about an hour ago, I read an OC Weekly article about a local rock club which has been downplaying their bookings of white-power shows, and shrugging it off as "just business." The article was free from inflammatory editorializing, yet powerfully communicated the irresponsibility/distastefulness of the situation. Nice writing, whoever you were. BTW, I think you made a good choice: You're *perfectly* suited to be a lawyer. And if that wasn't a backhanded compliment, I don't know what is. Now, back to your cauldron with you. Eb, too sweet a guy to mention what you have unwittingly descended into ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 21:37:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Re: political trolls defending their own On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Eb wrote: > Articles like that do little but make a writer's existing supporters > smugly cluck with glee. Based on the responses from you and the other > hate-filled Northwest beasts, I'd say this outcome was easily reached. I'd hardly say anyone was clucking with glee. Agreeing, yes. But I don't feel smug for holding opinions, Eb. I do hold opinions, and given the opportunity I will defend them. That being said, I find it almost impossible to understand you're insistance that money does not play a role in what the media reports on. That's really all the article was saying. Those in power influence the media, and the media report on events in a way that pleases the powerful. It's not paranoid delusion, and I'd like to see you give a reason why you apparently think the media are so free from taint as to make this analysis mere left-wing bluster. > Mission accomplished. Give yourselves another hearty pat on the back. > You da man. If you insist. > BTW, I think you made a good choice: You're *perfectly* suited to be a > lawyer. And if that wasn't a backhanded compliment, I don't know what is. And I think you make an exemplary rock-critic. > Eb, too sweet a guy to mention what you have unwittingly descended into Gee, thanks. Vivien ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 23:12:51 -0500 From: JH3 Subject: Re: Maine Coon Cat (0% RH) Nuppy writes: > Hello all, I'm currently looking for a Maine Coon kitten. > Since there are many cat owners/lovers on this list I > thought I'd ask if anyone knowns any good breeders. Would that you'd asked almost exactly a year ago! My wife and I picked up *three* of them that had been abandoned by the side of a nearby road, and the one we kept for ourselves turned out to be the most adorable little cat in the ENTIRE FREAKING WORLD. Alas, unfortunately for you, Brian, we had her spayed! Oh well... But they *are* exceptionally cute, aren't they? JH3 ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #330 ********************************