From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #323 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, August 31 2001 Volume 10 : Number 323 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Toast (NO RH%) [Mike Swedene ] bits [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] FEG CAPS 4 MAC [Mike Swedene ] Re: Saint Git ["Stewart C. Russell" ] RE: People flocked like cattle... ["SIMPSON,HAMISH (A-Scotland,ex1)" ] Re: FEG CAPS 4 MAC [JH3 ] Re: They killed Keats! Those bastards! [Michael R Godwin ] Re: They killed Keats! Those bastards! ["Ultimate Goal" ] Re: This man must be stopped ["victorian squid" ] Feg Reading ["Mike Wells" ] The Others [The Great Quail ] Re: we're all starf*ckers I guess! [Eb ] imitation robynspeak ["ross taylor" ] re: I'm an old pedant ["Budd Leia" ] Re: They killed Keats! Those bastards! [Viv Lyon ] Re: Feg Reading [Viv Lyon ] Re: we're all starf*ckers I guess! [Jeff Dwarf ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:28:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Toast (NO RH%) Who ever emailed me about toast for the mac, please email me again off list. Thanks! Herbie np-> Trey Anastasio (9:30 Club) May 11, 1999 ->Farmhouse Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 18:36:16 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: bits >still looking for Shriekback's "Jam Science" never been released on CD, sadly, due to contractual wrangles. A very goody on LP, though. >>Hitchcock: Ill probably get Captain Sensible to sing >>to them. You see, I dont like ducks that much, even >>though I do go on about them. Contemptible little >>creatures, actually. playing earlier (seriously!): the Goodies - A man's best friend is his duck >> All you English guys... who are always going on bout Ron Searle: > >it's Ronald, not Ron. And we're not all English. what he said! James (okay, so I was born there, but i'm a kiwi celt) James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:47:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: FEG CAPS 4 MAC I have gotten off my ass and translated the PC versions (numbers and characters too) into MAC font. I didn't do the lower case letters (sorry Jill) but at least there are numbers now. Anyone intereted in it, I can upload it to my sight or anyone who wants it (with the permission of the original author of course). Herbie np-> The Who "Woodstock 1969" -> Acid Queen AIM name-Mr9Mike Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 09:41:10 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Saint Git GSS wrote: > > You're Welsh aren't you? Or are you a Dane? I always get you guys > mixed up. bloody canadians... - -- Stewart C. Russell Senior Analyst Programmer stewart@ref.collins.co.uk Collins Dictionaries use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Bishopbriggs, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 17:29:31 +0200 From: "SIMPSON,HAMISH (A-Scotland,ex1)" Subject: RE: People flocked like cattle... Stewart sayeth: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/low/english/world/americas/newsid_1514000/1514527.stm > I saw a similar incident myself, though with a happier ending. In 1996, > a hopeful for the Scottish Commonwealth diving team held up traffic for > ages on the Kingston Bridge (over the Clyde), threatening to jump. Many > people yelled at him to get on with it. > When he did jump, of course, he executed a superb swan dive into the > river, and was fine. > Stewart My fave bit of the article was the last line. " Police spokesman Clem Benton told Reuters news agency: "Obviously when you have an individual in some type of crisis, yelling for her to jump is very insensitive to that person's life". " Gee, d'ya think so!!!!!! Viva Sea-Tac! (H) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 08:43:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Natalie Jane Jacobs Subject: more Romantics >I really do think he got the way he >did about it because he saw Keats' "death by critic" as >being a result of The Man's attempt to bust their poetry. Definitely, though that was really his own rather paranoid spin on the situation - obviously Keats did not die because of critics, but Shelley, feeling persecuted himself, chose to interpret his death that way. What happened re. the critics was that one of Keats's volumes of poetry - "Endymion," I think - was *brutally* savaged in a couple of literary magazines. Apparently Keats's main sin was being lower-class and daring to write poetry. The classism in these attacks is almost beyond belief. Keats was understandably pissed off, but picked himself up and got on with writing his poetry, and ended up writing some of his best stuff later on ("Hyperion," the odes, etc.). In other words, he wasn't a wilting flower cut down by the cruelty of the critics. I believe he caught TB from nursing his brother, who also died of it. There's a terribly sad description by one of his friends, of the first time he coughed up blood and realized he was going to die. Of course Keats wasn't the coolest Romantic. The coolest Romantic - as everyone knows - was Mary Shelley. I'm always impressed by the way "Frankenstein" has worked its way into our culture and is known - at least in name - by just about everyone. How many people would recognize the name of a Percy Shelley poem if they heard it? n. - -- Natalie Jane Jacobs gnat@bitmine.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 11:26:10 -0500 From: JH3 Subject: Re: FEG CAPS 4 MAC From: "Mike Swedene" , aka Herbie: > I have gotten off my ass and translated the PC > versions (numbers and characters too) into MAC font. > I didn't do the lower case letters... Did you do the little IODOT and Thoth symbols? (Or is that what you mean by "characters"...) > ...but at least there are numbers now. Thanks! But just in case anyone is interested, I discovered why there were no numbers in the Mac version, and it *was* my fault, not FontMonger's. I just forgot to update the translation file when I gave it to my friend Brenda to convert... So I'm sorry if I offended anyone working for the (now defunct) Ares Software Corporation. > Anyone intereted in it, > I can upload it to my sight or anyone who wants it > (with the permission of the original author of course). Hmm... Who *really* is the original author? Anyway, if it's got numbers in it, by all means send one my way! And of course anyone and everyone has my permission to copy and redistribute FegCaps to their heart's content, FWIW. Just try not to insert nasty comments about seafood into it, OK? John "with sunglasses and the works" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 17:44:11 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: They killed Keats! Those bastards! Just a couple of Keatsnotes and a Shelleymention. The most unexpected thing I saw in the Keats-popped-off-here room in Rome was a print of Bathampton Down, which is next to Claverton Down where I sit at this moment. Apparently Fanny Brawne (there's a name) lived round here. Luckily for her she died before she could see a concrete 1960s university bunged on the top ... Anthony Burgess's ABBA ABBA is a super novel about Keats' last days. In my view, it's Burgess's best book (and of course we know why it's called ABBA ABBA). Lastly, I read an interesting review of P Bysshe's _prose_ recently: it said that he wrote lots of brilliant republican, atheistical pamphlets, plus some devastating journalism concerning events such as the Peterloo massacre. The reviewer (I forget who) suggested that people could cope with his views when they were expressed in "romantic poetry" but didn't like it at all when he put the same views down in "I really mean it" type prose. Has anyone read his prose? I certainly haven't. - - Mike Godwin n.p. Johnny Burnetee 'Little Boy Sad' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:45:54 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: we're all starf*ckers I guess! Look who it is! A very nice interview with our own Mr. Ruch... http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/nonfiction/intaruch.htm - -- ******************************** LJ Lindhurst White Rabbit Graphic Design http://www.w-rabbit.com NYC ljl@w-rabbit.com ******************************** Adieu, adieu, to you and you and you. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:55:41 -0400 From: "Ultimate Goal" Subject: Re: They killed Keats! Those bastards! >Anthony Burgess's ABBA ABBA is a super novel about Keats' last days. In my >view, it's Burgess's best book (and of course we know why it's called ABBA >ABBA). After reading A Clockwork Orange I craved more A. Burgess so I picked up The Doctor's Sick, but put it down after about a quarter through. It didn't keep my attention at all. Didn't he write The Wanting Seed? I think the same thing happened on this book. Actually it was a bit more interesting with society encouraging same sex marriages to keep the population down etc. What is ABBA about? Nuppy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 18:24:29 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: They killed Keats! Those bastards! On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Ultimate Goal wrote: > After reading A Clockwork Orange I craved more A. Burgess so I picked up The > Doctor's Sick, but put it down after about a quarter through. It didn't keep > my attention at all. Didn't he write The Wanting Seed? I think the same > thing happened on this book. Actually it was a bit more interesting with > society encouraging same sex marriages to keep the population down etc. What > is ABBA about? ABBA ABBA is a super novel about Keats' last days. Burgess's "Nothing like the sun" is a good novel about Shakespeare. I really like his "Enderby" novels about a flatulent and unsuccssful poet, though the final one "Enderby's dark lady" goes a bit off the rails. "Time for a tiger" and its sequels are his first, fairly interesting autobiographical novels about his time in Malaysia. But he has also written some fairly uninspiring books, and I think you're probably right about 'The doctor is sick'. I assume that 'The wanting seed' was written about the same time, probably just before 'Clockwork orange'. I don't like most of his late novels, including the one about Kit Marlowe, but I enjoyed both volumes of his reminiscences. - - Mike Godwin, currently ploughing through the complete H G Wells short stories: "The door in the wall" is still the best one, but the overall standard is high. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 10:32:26 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: bad movies and laurie anderson >From: "Colonel of Truth" > >hey, a friend let me borrow Sleepy Hollow the other week. dang, that's on >the very, very short list of worst movies i've every seen. See Planet of the Apes if you want to lengthen your list further! The only good movie I've seen in the theater this year was Ghost World. Well, and Crouching Tiger. Bridget Jones was OK. But everything else has been soul-crushingly awful, if not at the time, certainly in retrospect. Good thing I don't give a shit about Film. However, as long as I'm digressing, let me recommend _Which Lie Did I Tell?_ by William Goldman (a Book). Besides being a terrific read it also tells me stories of the movie industry from a perspective I've not had before. It makes stars I've never really admired seem admirable, and shows how they can still make terrible movies. Great stuff. >From: Eleanore Adams > >SF Fegs - are any of you guys going to the Grant Lee Phillips show next >Wednesday? I'm afraid I asked myself to choose between Mr. Phillips and Laurie Anderson, and Anderson won. Money is tight, and as much as I liked Phillips when I saw him last year, I've never seen Anderson before. So I'll be at Bimbo's on Thursday, if anyone else will be. :) Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 11:39:04 -0700 From: "victorian squid" Subject: Re: This man must be stopped On Thu, 30 Aug 2001 00:00:38 steve wrote: >http://www.ntk.net/ballmer/mirrors.html Thestreet.com had people write in with names for this dance and selected five contenders from among them, then held a vote. "The Corporate Jerk" was an overwhelming winner with 39 percent of the vote, with "The Orangutango" coming in a distant second. My own fave, "The Ballmer Blitz" came in last with 12 percent. Other choices were "The Heavin' Steven" and "The Monopolist Monkeyshine". loveonya, susan Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:00:21 -0500 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Feg Reading During a browse of the local used bookstore last week, I was reminded that I wanted to give a general "thanks" to all those who posted during the last feg books discussion - I've had a full and varied reading list with all the suggestions. Picked up "Mars Hill" on the cheap, got "Ender's Game" as a gift, a new Pratchett came in, etc etc. And yes, Jeme's got me intrigued with "...Command Line" so I think that's next. And I just got "Secrets of a Fire King" by Kim Edwards which looks really good, and then I'm probably due for a reread of "The Shipping News", and Doug Lansky's got a book out... Of course I've fallen behind because my local used bookswapper turned up a copy of John Myers Myers "Silverlock" which meant an obligatory reread. Considering IMHO that it's one of the greatest books ever written (!) and next to impossible to find, that was like finding a diamond in a goat's ass. The Ace 1994 version was the last time it was in print, I think. I find it curious that this one never made the FegBooks reading list, though, considering the libes level is so high and it is THE literary 'tour-of-tours.' It seems to have remained underground even after 50-some years. Anyway since I now have an extra copy and there don't seem to be many extras, I'd be happy to book-loan it to interested fegs who've never read or want to reread it. Email me off list and we can arrange. The other author I'd like to volunteer that wasn't on the FegBooks list is James P. Hogan. "Code of the Lifemaker" was probably his best; though it's all good. For my money he had the best sci-fi going there for awhile. So what else is being read now? Michael "Alfred Lord Tennisball" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 04:13:06 -0700 From: The Great Quail Subject: The Others While I agree with Drew that there really hasn't been an abundance of good movies this year, I just saw "The Others" and was really impressed. It was more serious and intellectual than I was expecting, and yet had a lot of good "Sixth Sense" style pacing and twists. In fact, it was a lot like "Turn of the Screw" meets "Sixth Sense," but truly scarier than Screw and more thoughtful than Sense. There was some honest-to-God creepiness, subtlety, and even some religious conversations that were controversial enough to disturb some of the audience. I rate it two tentacles up! - --Quail - -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Great Quail, Keeper of the Libyrinth: http://www.TheModernWord.com If I have said anything to the contrary I was mistaken. If I say anything to the contrary again I shall be mistaken again. Unless I am mistaken now. Into the dossier with it in any case, in support of whatever thesis you fancy. --Samuel Beckett, "The Unnamable" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 13:27:18 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: we're all starf*ckers I guess! Speaking of starf*cking, I stumbled onto an envelope of old photos last night and found a 1993-ish picture of me with Kirsty MacColl. Eb now ehhing: Bows (sorry, Drew) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 17:50:10 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: imitation robynspeak Since things are slow & I don't have any transcriptions with me, here's an imitation of a Robyn monologue. I was thinking at 1st I'd try mixing these in w/ real Robyn, but I don't think I can come close enuf to fool anyone. So it's more feg fan fic -- [he starts the first chords of "Furry Green Atom Bowl" then pauses--] It's a strange landscape and you're travelling quietly thru it because cities encrust the canyon walls. Fog pours out of the native's eyes. The news grows on shrubbery. Time backs up in the caves that are scattered thru the knees of the continental merger. To the left things are more dramatic, to the right, more puzzling. For the best view, scrape a shallow hole and lie on your back in the middle and the sculpted weather follows the bugs to a picnic, where your questions sound like buzzing, like books opening and closing too fast, like landsliding wishes, a dream stampede, with two bloodshot horizons. A ticker runs along the bottom constantly announcing who your lungs are. Night arrives in squadrons. You might as well go faster because there's less to see. The lamps only take large denominations of exact repetition only. You might as well go faster because there's less to see. Criminals starve slowly. Everything is minimal til morning, when it all starts over so different you can't recognize it. [starts into "Furry Green Atom Bowl"] Ross Taylor Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 22:27:26 +0000 From: "Budd Leia" Subject: re: I'm an old pedant Dear, dear listserve I think you are all trying to drive me happy by giving me such a golden excuse to pontificate on the not quite holy trinity of Sheets, Kelly and that other guy, aka the late Romantics. I sent in a message yesterday with the Shelley "material/painted veil" sonnet I had in mind. Since Ive learned that just cause a message dosnt show up when it should dosnt mean it woulnt show up a week later when its totally extranious I wouldnt repeat what will probobly be said in the future. (Wait--is that a kind of time machine;-?) I will mention thou that I made the point that Byron was the cutest and funniest of the lot -fore- I read Susan's same opinion(must be that sis thing again:-). Not only are his letters fascinating but also his journals. He had an odd, badly spelled and wierdly punctuated;-), jumpy but effective prose style, very much his own idiolect which is a pleasure to read cause its very immediate. Plus observent and witty. Keats had less wit but Im with Nat on him, he was wonderful too. For one thing he had a greater and deeper abstact intelligence. His letters, especially the ones to Fanny Brawn ("Dont treat my heart like a football!") are touching and funny but the letters where he talks about literature and poetry are superlative. He takes hints from Coleridge's essays on Shakespeare to come up with one of the major moments in the history of western creativity --the concept of negative capability. And his poetry is some of the most sensous in english lit. Whereas Byron is smart and quick Keats turns time into flesh. You thrill to Byron but you luxerate to Keats. I like em both:-). - --------------- Thanks Stewart for the tip on St Trins. If Id remembered you were one of the guys involved I would have said Brits(as in Btitish Isles.) - ---------------- Woj, Where -did- you find that interview!?! Were you drunk and made it up, was Robyn drunk or was I drunk when I read it? ;-)(all 3?) - ---------------- Godwin, Thanks for the Wheels of Fire link. Will check it out at home. - ---------------- Ross >I remember my cohorts & I used to quote lines >from that back & forth at each other, but now >all I can remember is the lyrics to "Where Can >the Children Play." What I remember was the hellatricious rich bitch of a mom, Harold's suicide stagings, and his oh so sly smile after each one. Looooooved that;-). I used to be on the look-out for 60s/70s movies bout seriously and hilarously disfunctional rich families and the kids attempt to make a break for it. Harold n Maude was up there, as was The Landlord. Other good Cat Stevens music from H&M was "I Can See the Light" and "Trouble." The album they are on had a blueish cover and lots of other good stuff on it like "Katmandu", "Lilywhite" etc. - -------- Susan, saw Hedwig and loved it. Was floored by it in fact. I tell you all-- song and dance movies may just be the wave of the future;-). Well, it -does- increase the sensory impact of a movie without using violence or porn, the other two immediate stimulents. Althou I for one would love to see a porn musical( or is there one I dont know about? Clark, paging Mr Tom Clark ...) Kay "But cleanliness of the soul is important, dont you thee-ee-ink?" Robyn Hitchcock _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 19:55:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Re: They killed Keats! Those bastards! On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Michael R Godwin wrote: > - Mike Godwin, currently ploughing through the complete H G Wells short > stories: "The door in the wall" is still the best one, but the overall > standard is high. I don't have time to write much to the list anymore, but I have to take the time to give a shout out to my homey HG. He the man! Vivien ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 20:01:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Re: Feg Reading On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Mike Wells wrote: > So what else is being read now? Well, I ought to be reading Constitutional Law, but in fact I'm reading the list. Vivien ps- So much for not posting. pps- yes, your worst dreams have come true. I have entered law school. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 02:42:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: we're all starf*ckers I guess! Eb wrote: > Speaking of starf*cking, I stumbled onto an envelope of old photos > last night and found a 1993-ish picture of me with Kirsty MacColl. > this sounds like a pet shop boys song. erm, consider this the formal request to get that puppy scanned and available for possible perusal, if you can. that's certainly something cooler to have than a napkin signed by Jim Nabors. ===== "Loyalty to a petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul." -- Mark Twain "The divinity of Jesus has been made a convenient cover for every absurdity." -- John Adams "The jury is the last line of defense against corporate misconduct." -- Craig McDonald, Texans for Public Justice Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! 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