From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #322 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, August 30 2001 Volume 10 : Number 322 Today's Subjects: ----------------- finite = alright ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Golden Boy Foods Inc. ["Colonel of Truth" ] Re: curried ghosts ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Saint Fegians ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Something to see on holiday. ["Thomas, Ferris" ] RE: zoot horn rollo's CD (fwd) [Michael R Godwin ] If your memory serves you well [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Saint Git [GSS ] People flocked like cattle... ["Stewart C. Russell" ] peeing just contaminates the void ["ross taylor" ] I'm an old pedant [Natalie Jane Jacobs ] Re: finite = alright [Tom Clark ] Re: finite = alright [Eleanore Adams ] Re: decades inappropriate lust [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] They killed Keats! Those bastards! ["victorian squid" ] This man must be stopped [steve ] Re: This man must be stopped [Capuchin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:35:35 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: finite = alright > From: Natalie Jane Jacobs [Ghost World's Thora Birch] > I guess Birch was OK, but yeah, nobody could match my own conception of > what Enid was supposed to be like. I still think she lays on the > sullenness a little too thick. Oh, yes, she definitely does -- aiming in the right direction, but not totally grasping the complexity of Enid's attitude. I'm a little generous because I hated Birch in _American Beauty_, mainly blaming that on the ridiculous character she was supposed to play. I was rooting for her to do better here. > From: dmw > > i thought _chasing amy_ was mostly horrible -- painfully clunky "now, i, > the director, am speaking through the mouths of my shallow, uncovincing > characters" bits abounded; Heh -- Smith does that in _every_ movie. It's only more obvious in _Chasing Amy_ because it's a preachy movie, and contrived. Unlike you, I was not very impressed by _Clerks_, which I found pretty damned clunky in its own right (better acting might have saved it). The _Clerks_ cartoon was an even worse idea, but surprisingly 2 of the 3 episodes of that I've seen were pretty cute. _Dogma_ was flawed in tons of ways but it was the best realization of the contemporary Vertigo comic style I thought I'd ever see. > i've never seen > charlize theron in anything else; is she really THAT bad an actor, or was > that some sort of screwy homage to some horrible 40s actress? She's pretty lousy, yeah. The camera adores her, though, and on that level, so do I. > From: HAL > Without a doubt, Enid's "look" (short skirt, large ass, boots) was a > gift from Terry Zwigoff to his friend R. Crumb. (Crumb was obviously > also the model for the expanded Buscemi character.) Heh -- I don't really share Crumb's taste in women and I sure liked Enid's look. "Short skirt, large ass, boots" is pretty general. > Ectomorphs rock! Can't agree with that one, either. Sorry. - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 23:50:12 -0700 From: "Colonel of Truth" Subject: Golden Boy Foods Inc. if only. uh, "progressive tax system"? "our"? okay, maybe. as if there were any left after eight years of clinton/gore. as if there were any left after eight years of clinton/gore. < - Tanya Melich, Republican consultant, on George W. Bush> what in the FUCK is she bitching about? except for "upending" america's "defenses", shouldn't she, as a republican "consultant", be exceedingly supportive of these goals? hey, a friend let me borrow Sleepy Hollow the other week. dang, that's on the very, very short list of worst movies i've every seen. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 08:35:53 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: curried ghosts Natalie Jane Jacobs wrote: > > I remember that place! It's awesome! I got a curry baked potato > there and it was delicious. you shoulda seen the queue out the door on Festival nights; phew! Come back for the spicy hummus potato... Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 08:42:24 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Saint Fegians Budd Leia wrote: > > All you English guys... who are always going on bout Ron Searle: it's Ronald, not Ron. And we're not all English. > I still dont get all the in-jokes you guys trade from some book Searle did > bout boys at school--but could one of you set me straight bout where I can > track down the basis for St Trinians? a web search of "searle trinian" will put you straight (as any fule kno) - -- or check any Searle anthology for his St T's cartoons. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 07:33:26 -0400 From: "Thomas, Ferris" Subject: Something to see on holiday. "The Beers of A Clown." http://www.capecodonline.com/cctimes/thebeers28.htm ______________________________________ Ferris Scott Thomas programmer McGraw-Hill Education 860.409.2612 ferris_thomas@mcgraw-hill.com (email) Boom Shanka. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 08:30:48 -0400 From: strange little woj Subject: Homeless Cheerleaders RH Interview forwarded *with permission*! (i can feel your disappointment, jeme and eddie...) >To: robynhitchcock@yahoogroups.com >From: Ian McNabb >Delivered-To: mailing list robynhitchcock@yahoogroups.com >Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:33:52 -0700 (PDT) >Reply-To: robynhitchcock@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [robynhitchcock] Homeless Cheerleaders RH Interview > >For the edification of the list, here is a rare Robyn >Hitchcock phone interview that I conducted several >years ago (right after the release of his first WB >album "Moss Elixir") when I was writing for a poorly >written, overrated music fanzine entitled "Homeless >Cheerleaders". > >Please enjoy this. > > >McNabb: When I recently saw you at First Avenue >(MPLS), you had a hard time describing yourself and >your music to your audience. You called yourself a >"Rock, Folk, Kind of" and then your voice would trail >off and youd launch into another song. Robyn, what >exactly are you? > >Hitchcock: Well, at any rate Im not a mime. I was >at mass the other day and this mime was unable to >receive communion: Every time hed get close to the >priest in order to receive the host a strong wind >would push him back down the aisle. As I describe >this event, it might sound hilarious to you, but >believe me when I say to you that it was an annoying >thing to fully witness. > >McNabb: Robyn, who else would I believe but you? >Another thing, Dude, do you realize how wonderful your >latest album is? > >Hitchcock: Yes, absolutely I do. The mime and I were >talking about it earlier, as a matter of fact. > >McNabb: Well, Im not talking about an album I rate >in your top two or three, mind you. I fully believe >that this is your best album of all time. And a great >album released so late in your career, to boot. > >Hitchcock: When you put out several albums over a >considerable period of time, you always worry about >the "stick a fork in him" syndrome. The idea that >your inspired, younger self just simply kicks ass over >your older, lethargic self is an idea that is very >real to me. So, I went out there and I did it. Plus, >the WB was so kind to me I felt that I had to give >them a good one, and that I did. > >McNabb: What are some of your future plans? A live >movie and soundtrack? A tour with the original >Softboys? A novel, perhaps? > >Hitchcock: No. Actually, Ill be quite busy breeding >ducks. Not personally, mind you, but living amongst >my ducks on the Isle of Wright. Feeding them. >Nurturing them. Perhaps Ill even read to them. > >McNabb: Sing to them? > >Hitchcock: Ill probably get Captain Sensible to sing >to them. You see, I dont like ducks that much, even >though I do go on about them. Contemptible little >creatures, actually. > >McNabb: A final question: What is your position on >homeless cheerleaders? > >Hitchcock: Well, obviously Im against it. > > >Thanks, everyone. I sincerely hope that you enjoyed >it! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:12:38 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: RE: zoot horn rollo's CD (fwd) Just got this message. I've had a listen to the clips and it sounds distinctly Metheny / Zappa rather than old-time Magic Band. But I thought it was worth letting people know that the old maestro is recording again. - - Mike Godwin - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 19:24:21 -0700 From: Bill Harkleroad To: 'Bill Harkleroad' Subject: RE: zoot horn rollo's CD Zoot Horn Rollo here. Pardon the spam, but I would like to let you know that my CD "We Saw A Bozo Under The Sea" is now available on my website http://www.zoothornrollo.com I hope you like it. I apologize if this message is duplicated and or sent to an unsuspecting person. I have tried my best not to be intrusive. Thanks, Zoot Horn Rollo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:40:41 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: If your memory serves you well Interesting snippets about 'This wheel's on fire' at: http://theband.hiof.no/articles/this_wheels_on_fire_viney.html including 20 cover versions! The ones I can live without include the Leslie West, the Mike Batt Orchestra, and the Sons of Shiva dance mix ... - - Mike Godwin PS I always preferred Lillian Gish as the wild mountain girl in 'Intolerance'... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 08:40:46 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Re: Saint Git On Wed, 29 Aug 2001, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > > All you English guys... who are always going on bout Ron Searle: > > it's Ronald, not Ron. And we're not all English. You're Welsh aren't you? Or are you a Dane? I always get you guys mixed up. gss ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:08:33 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: People flocked like cattle... http://news.bbc.co.uk/low/english/world/americas/newsid_1514000/1514527.stm I saw a similar incident myself, though with a happier ending. In 1996, a hopeful for the Scottish Commonwealth diving team held up traffic for ages on the Kingston Bridge (over the Clyde), threatening to jump. Many people yelled at him to get on with it. When he did jump, of course, he executed a superb swan dive into the river, and was fine. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 11:13:55 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: NYC Fegs On Tue, Aug 28, 2001, Mike Swedene wrote: > Hey there NYC Area Fegs! > I will be making a road trip into the big apple this > weekend to drop the girlfriend off for another year at > NYU. Anyone know any inexpensive places to leave a > car over night in Manhattan or off the isle? Any and > all help would be GREATLY appreciated! You are kidding, right? The words 'inexpensive' and 'parking' and 'NYC' should never be used in the same sentence. IIRC, a few relatively inexpensive lots are the one on Lafayette St. between 4th and Astor, the one on Thompson St. between either Bleecker and 3rd or Houston and Bleecker, and then there is always the municipal lot on I think 54th St. between 8th and Broadway. That one is good for short amounts of time, but not sure about overnight and such. Good luck. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 11:44:18 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: peeing just contaminates the void Susan/Adonais/Contamination-- I feel that "Being just contanimates" comes from the Vedas. It sure sounds Hindu & I know I kept getting told stuff like that one summer when I stayed in a mystical bookstore w/ a bunch of Shivites. On the other hand the Shelly quote has the verb, plus it was read by Mick Jagger at the start of the Hyde Park concert in memory of Brian Jones (you can see him read some in 25 X 5). As for "Airscape," it's the lyrics that do it for me, plus I think the backstory about the cliffs eroding is just as beautiful & important as what's in the song. There are other poems that work that way, needing the background info for full effect, I just can't name them now... I think of Airscape as being for his daughter. dmw-- >laibach's reinvention of the beatles' _let it be_ OK, Chris Stamey, here's where we diverge, since I prefer their _sympathy for the devil_. But I'm not Satanic, because I still prefer Lillian Gish to Louise Brooks. Zappa-Lennon-- Lost it years ago, but the 3rd disk of Sometime in NYC was w/ the Mothers, IIRC same lineup as Just Another Band from LA. A big long not too fun Cold Turky w/ lots of Yoko, but side 2 was pretty good jazzy/experimental Mothers w/ Yoko's vocals. Rud-beckia hirta & "Harold & Maude"-- I remember my cohorts & I used to quote lines from that back & forth at each other, but now all I can remember is the lyrics to "Where Can the Children Play." Furthur report on Songs Without Rhyme-- This was the book of stories by singers. IMHO the great story by David Byrne was by far the best thing, the rest a predictable let down. There was a real piece of fiction by Suzanne Vega, if a bit on the quiet side. I could see people saying it was "a New Yorker type story" but really there are tons of stories much like it in *much* smaller mags. I was let down by the Steven Page story, not because I'm a big Bare Naked Ladies fan, but they have a kind of humor I thought might translate well to extended prose. No, it's more like Garrison Keillor minus most of the humor or the insight he sometimes rises to. The Loundon Wainwright piece, like most of the others, was a memoir essay of the kind they print in the Washington Post Magazine. The Johnny Cash story was pulp sci-fi & may have had some crude excitement, or maybe I'm just a big fan of his -- not so much "wow, this is a great story" as "wow, this is by Johnny Cash." The Rozanne Cash was also interesting cause I wouldn't think of her writing such spacy sci-fi, but it kinda wandered. I still haven't made up my mind about the Siberry story. It's very fragmented, which I like, but it has some cutesy parts, i.e. God having a dialog w/ a crying clown. Byrne is the only one here to challenge Robyn, In My Hubristic Opinion. Ross Taylor still looking for Shriekback's "Jam Science" Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 08:46:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Natalie Jane Jacobs Subject: I'm an old pedant >While it's understandable that someone >might be a little unhinged at the death of his best friend, >Shelley really went a bit overboard (no pun intended). Heh. Actually, Shelley and Keats hardly knew each other - they met a few times, and Shelley offered to fund Keats's final trip to Rome, but Keats didn't like Shelley very much, and feared his having too much influence over his own poetry. "Adonais" was just Shelley getting carried away by the supposed tragedy of Keats's death-by-critics. (Whereas the real tragedy was his death-by-tuberculosis-bacilli, but that would make a rotten poem.) Speaking of having the hots for historical figures, I had the hots *real bad* for Keats back in college, especially after reading his letters, which are funny, feisty, and intelligent as all get out. When I was in Rome, I even visited the house where he died, and placed a tinfoil person on his grave. (Shelley got one, too - they're buried in the same graveyard.) The greatest sorrow of my life was when my dad (also an old pedant) told me that time machines were scientifically impossible. I can't remember his proof, though, so maybe he was wrong. n. p.s. I want to see a movie of "David Boring"! That was *made* to be a movie. Now, who would play David, I wonder...? - -- Natalie Jane Jacobs gnat@bitmine.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 10:35:51 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: finite = alright on 8/28/01 10:35 PM, Andrew D. Simchik at drew@stormgreen.com wrote: >> i've never seen >> charlize theron in anything else; is she really THAT bad an actor, or was >> that some sort of screwy homage to some horrible 40s actress? > > She's pretty lousy, yeah. The camera adores her, though, and on that level, > so do I. I first saw her in "Two Days In The Valley", which I believe was her first film. She was unbelievably hot in that movie, and up to par with the other actors, but I've seen nothing since that made me care one way or the other about her. I was about to say that 2DITV also has that great scene with Quentin Tarantino ranting about how "Top Gun" is about a man's struggle with his homosexuality, but a little research shows it was actually in a film called "Sleep With Me." Here's a link to his rant: http://us.imdb.com/Quotes?0111218 - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 11:59:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: finite = alright This made my day!!! eleanore - --- Tom Clark wrote: > on 8/28/01 10:35 PM, Andrew D. Simchik at > drew@stormgreen.com wrote: > > >> i've never seen > >> charlize theron in anything else; is she really > THAT bad an actor, or was > >> that some sort of screwy homage to some horrible > 40s actress? > > > > She's pretty lousy, yeah. The camera adores her, > though, and on that level, > > so do I. > > I first saw her in "Two Days In The Valley", which I > believe was her first > film. She was unbelievably hot in that movie, and > up to par with the other > actors, but I've seen nothing since that made me > care one way or the other > about her. > > I was about to say that 2DITV also has that great > scene with Quentin > Tarantino ranting about how "Top Gun" is about a > man's struggle with his > homosexuality, but a little research shows it was > actually in a film called > "Sleep With Me." Here's a link to his rant: > > http://us.imdb.com/Quotes?0111218 > > -tc Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 11:52:11 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: decades inappropriate lust >decades-inappropriate-lust: > >ah, just not buying it. you whippersnappers too close-minded or what? >must agree that bernhardt never really moved me -- more imposing than >attractive -- but see above re: bacall, lauren; vickers, martha to say >nothing of bergman, ingrid and deitrich, marlene. mrooWWr!! and etc. & >c. and then of course, there's my own true dear JANE AUSTEN, although i >concede that may not be quite the commonest of crushes -- but then again, >i imagine it's a commoner crush than is generally reckoned. FWIW, NZer Shona Laing has a song called "1905", which is apparently about her infatuation with the young Henry Fonda. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 18:55:31 -0700 From: "victorian squid" Subject: They killed Keats! Those bastards! On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 08:46:11 Natalie Jane Jacobs wrote: >Heh. I'm not sure my lame joke deserved even that. Thanks :). >Actually, Shelley and Keats hardly knew each other - they >met a few times, You're right of course. It's been a long time since I've read/studied any of this and my memory of it's a bit hazy. Especially where he's concerned, as (I bet you're shocked) I found Keats the least compelling of the three of them on a personal, biographical level and so don't remember as much about him. Now that I think about it, tho ISTR he was buddies with Leigh Hunt, he really was never an intimate part of that particular sewing circle and terrorist society. >(Whereas the real tragedy was his death-by-tuberculosis- >bacilli, but that would make a rotten poem.) I'm not sure about that. I AM sure that Shelley's passionate anti-authoritarian leanings combined with his (not entirely unjustified, even if he did bring some of it on himself) persecution complex brought a passion and urgency to the topic that bacilli just couldn't command from him. I don't mean to sound flip but I really do think he got the way he did about it because he saw Keats' "death by critic" as being a result of The Man's attempt to bust their poetry. (Gnat mentions the personality revealed in Keats' letters): It's interesting you would mention that as Byron's letters were a big part of my fascination with him. I still think they're extraordinary. People who think of him as this brooding, cantankerous person a la "the Byronic hero" would be surprised at how sharp, funny, and charmingly self-deprecating he often is in these letters, not to mention what an incisive literary intelligence he possessed. If anyone's interested in visiting (or revisiting) these, some kind soul has archived a few at: http://www.cas.astate.edu/engphil/gallery/byron.html >me that time machines were scientifically impossible. I >can't remember his proof, though, so maybe he was wrong. You know, it's what I've always heard, and I don't know enough to be able to prove or disprove the evidence, but I tend to think it's probably true. Bleh. loveonya, susan Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 20:19:37 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: grant lee phillips SF Fegs - are any of you guys going to the Grant Lee Phillips show next Wednesday? eleanore ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 00:00:38 -0500 From: steve Subject: This man must be stopped http://www.ntk.net/ballmer/mirrors.html - - Steve __________ If anyone has ever benefited from what Bush has called "the bigotry of soft expectations," it's George W. Bush himself. - Mark Crispin Miller ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:13:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: This man must be stopped Don't worry, he'll stop himself. I promise. On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, steve wrote: > http://www.ntk.net/ballmer/mirrors.html Man, have I got some stories about THIS guy. I had to deal with him on more than a couple of occassions. He's a fool AND an idiot. I personally believe that Gates handed the Presidency to him (Gates never actually held the Presidency himself... there was just BOOP (Bill and the Office Of the President)) because Gates knew that they were about to get their asses munched by EITHER the DoJ, the public, or the free software community and Gates wanted a scapegoat. Remember, he's a massive megalomaniac and he had to get out so that he could say they never made a single mis-step on his watch. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #322 ********************************