From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #321 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, August 29 2001 Volume 10 : Number 321 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: pictures of lily ["victorian squid" ] Re: overrated robyn songs ["victorian squid" ] Close Lobsters [BLATZMAN@aol.com] speaking of 1987.... [Ken Weingold ] Re: Glass Eye (was overinflated) ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: Glass Eye (was overinflated) [Robcow@aol.com] Re: Glass Eye [Eb ] Re: pictures of lily [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] rated hated frustrated outdated [dmw ] Re: Ghost World [HAL ] More Industry crap on MP3 [Mike Swedene ] Lennon and Zappa? [Mike Swedene ] Re: More Industry crap on MP3 [steve ] Re: Glass Eye [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Lennon and Zappa? ["noe shalev" ] Re: Lennon and Zappa? ["Maximilian Lang" ] Saint Fegians ["Budd Leia" ] NYC Fegs [Mike Swedene ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 13:23:08 -0700 From: "victorian squid" Subject: Re: pictures of lily On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 15:29:45 ross taylor wrote: >strange, lusting for someone from a different >era. That's about as far back as you can go, Oh really? I had a huge crush on Byron around ages 14-15. When you're talking about that era you kind of have to - -imagine- what someone looked like, as portraits, drawings and the like are usually too stylized to really give a good enough idea. I can imagine pretty well tho. Speaking of Byron..... >World" which always made me think of the Shelly poem >bout Byron which starts "Rip not the painted curtian >which some call life."(? for exact words.) I think you're thinking of "Adonais". It's actually an elegy for Keats. At least, it starts out that way and ends up being something quite a bit stranger. There's a line about how being is the stained glass dome that contaminates the whiteness of eternity (would have to look it up for the exact line, but that's close) and I've always wondered whether that line in "Antwoman" was a joke on it. (Byron IIRC actually thought Shelley was a little hysterical about Keats' death, and used to make fun of him for going around saying that bad reviews and the cruelty of critics had "killed" Keats. While it's understandable that someone might be a little unhinged at the death of his best friend, Shelley really went a bit overboard (no pun intended). The guy had had tuberculosis since childhood, and most people agree he wasn't ever destined to see old age.) loveonya, susan Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 13:30:21 -0700 From: "victorian squid" Subject: Re: overrated robyn songs On Thu, 23 Aug 2001 15:51:31 Aaron Mandel wrote: >"Airscape" and "City Of Shame". never really saw the point I'm really relieved that other people don't understand the "Airscape" rave. I wouldn't go so far as to say I "never saw the point" of it, but I just don't find it particularly remarkable. Remarkable songs that aren't played enough (as always, IMO) would be "Lysander" and "Globe of Frogs". Also "St. Petersburg", but I understand why he doesn't want to play material from that era. loveonya, susan P.S. Jeme, based on what you've said I'd say a good Cale album for you to start with is "Fear". Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:36:17 EDT From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Subject: Close Lobsters Does anyone have any idea where I can get an MP3 of the song "In Spite Of These Times" by the Close Lobsters. Or any MP3s by the Doctors Children???? Please contact me off list, and thank to anyone who can help!!! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 17:03:40 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: speaking of 1987.... In the summer of 1987, I taped about an hour of WLIR, a New York radio station, "alternative" at the time. Not sure why I did, but I still have the tape, and a few years ago a friend transfered it to CD. In the spirit of the discussion of 1987 music, I ripped it to MP3 and put it in the root of the ftp directory. Enjoy. There's some cool stuff in there. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 17:10:37 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Glass Eye (was overinflated) >From: "Maximilian Lang" > > >Any other Glass Eye fans on this list? > >YES. > > Max I am pleased to know there are so many other fans. Cool. >From: Eb > >I have three Glass Eye albums.... Unofficial, off-the-top-of-my-head discography: 1. Marlo (self-released LP, I believe) 2. Huge (Wrestler, LP only) 3. Hello Young Lovers (Bar None, CD/LP) 4. Christine EP (Bar None, vinyl EP, included on HYL CD) 5. Every Woman's Fantasy (unreleased, cassette only) >A couple of years ago, Bar/None announced plans to reissue "Huge" with some >extra stuff added as bonus tracks. I don't know what happened to those >plans...seems like Bar/None is barely functional anymore. Call the label, >and there's a good chance the head of the label picks up the phone.... I used to pester Bar None about Glass Eye a few years ago. They kept telling me they were gonna release their new album and reissue some older stuff, but then they quit answering my phone calls and emails. Feh. That's why I'm talking to Brian Beattie now. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 15:37:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Natalie Jane Jacobs Subject: curried ghosts >Both did a better job with their characters than >I would have expected, especially given that they were pretty much the >right age. Clowes has said that they refused to cast anyone who was over 18, for those roles. I guess Birch was OK, but yeah, nobody could match my own conception of what Enid was supposed to be like. I still think she lays on the sullenness a little too thick. >It was set in LA, wasn't it? It seemed unspecified to me, though I'm sure it was filmed there. Stewart says: >I reckon it's just to be close to the vegan baked potato place in >Cockburn Street (which does the best and biggest baked spuds ever). I remember that place! It's awesome! I got a curry baked potato there and it was delicious. n., recalling Edinburgh fondly - -- Natalie Jane Jacobs gnat@bitmine.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:36:25 EDT From: Robcow@aol.com Subject: Re: Glass Eye (was overinflated) >> ...seems like Bar/None is barely functional anymore. Call the label, >> and there's a good chance the head of the label picks up the phone.... Ja, that would've been a fellow named Glenn Morrow who also used to have his own band, The Individuals. Another good candidate for CD reissue. Later he was in a group called Rage To Live and some of the other Individuals members turned up in The Wygals. I'm fairly certain the label was always a one man show though. I know he made all his own marketing calls. I guess he made a bit of money on They Might Be Giants, whose first couple of albums were on Bar/None. And that brings us nearly full circle, ne c'est pas? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:08:51 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Glass Eye >>I have three Glass Eye albums.... > >Unofficial, off-the-top-of-my-head discography: > >1. Marlo (self-released LP, I believe) >2. Huge (Wrestler, LP only) >3. Hello Young Lovers (Bar None, CD/LP) >4. Christine EP (Bar None, vinyl EP, included on HYL CD) >5. Every Woman's Fantasy (unreleased, cassette only) You forgot the best-known release, Bent by Nature! I have #2-#4, but not #1 and #5. Incidentally, I have #2 on a Wrestler cassette, so it's not LP only. >>> ...seems like Bar/None is barely functional anymore. Call the label, >>> and there's a good chance the head of the label picks up the phone.... > >Ja, that would've been a fellow named Glenn Morrow who also used to have his >own band, The Individuals. Later he was in a group called Rage To Live Yes, I knew his name/background but didn't think there was a need to be more specific. >I'm fairly certain the label was always a one man >show though. I know he made all his own marketing calls. I guess he made a >bit of money on They Might Be Giants And don't forget Freedy Johnston and Yo La Tengo. I own about 20 Bar/None releases, though few of them sold much. Maybe this is where I should stress how overlooked those three Epic Soundtracks albums are...great stuff. Anyone else have these? As for "one-man show," I certainly know that I've talked to other publicists at Bar/None in the past. Though Restless distribution did a lot of Bar/None's work, true. But based on my experiences, I suspect there were six or seven people working at Bar/None during its "heyday." Eb, who would be really curious to know why the K. McCarty album was taken out of print...it's probably my favorite Bar/None release of all now guilty-pleasuring: Margo Guryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:13:08 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: pictures of lily >Actually, the attraction I feel for her is quite >strange, lusting for someone from a different >era. That's about as far back as you can go, >I mean I don't think I've heard of my >contemporaries getting the hots for Sarah >Bernhardt. but Louise Brooks.... ah, for a time machine... James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:56:56 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: rated hated frustrated outdated single-artist covers albums: i stand with the ebster in his assertion (if i skimmed right) that cave's _kicking against the pricks_ is top dog o' this perticular dungheap, but i gotta plump for two underdogs: laibach's reinvention of the beatles' _let it be_ and the bettie serveert playing velvet underground record (which i thought sounded like an amusing notion, but which made me completely re-evaluate the band. dylan covers: i love what xtc did with "all along the watchtower" kevin smiff: i thought _chasing amy_ was mostly horrible -- painfully clunky "now, i, the director, am speaking through the mouths of my shallow, uncovincing characters" bits abounded; it didn't help that the acting was poor, but some of those lines would have flummoxed a master actor. imho. _mallrats_ was peurile -- i felt guilty & embarrassed every time i laughed, but i did laugh, even the second time (not my fault. dragged.). i thought _dogma_ was pretty keen and i thought _clerks_ was very fresh & exciting. if they really do make a film of the "preacher" comic (terrible idea) i think they ought to get smith to do it. his "direction" such as it is, has always seemed to suit the material. a starfucking claim to fame: i got to play a show (as a member of rock band "lesbian boy junior") the bar in which the opening sequence of _chasing amy_ was set. we made $25; the management was very friendly even though the band had recently lost its sole lesbian member. new woody allen: he's never going to make another great film again, is he? very safe, very much coasting. pleasant enough -- nicely paced, good production design -- but very predictable, most of the humor sitting too long in the breadbox (and one probably the most disappointing allen soundtrack i can recall -- a kitchsy rip on "i put spell on you" ad infinitum). i've never seen charlize theron in anything else; is she really THAT bad an actor, or was that some sort of screwy homage to some horrible 40s actress? who? i was wondering if the character was a deliberate nod to the drug-addled young debutante in _the big sleep_ (martha vickers, almost sexier than bacall in a semi-conscious sort of way) or if i only thought that because i've watched _the big sleep_ too many times. frog brigade: i got a promo with seventeen minutes or so of "shine on you crazy diamond" which i thought sounded like an absolutely ghastly notion. to my shock, almost even horror, i really REALLY liked it. imaginatively arranged, very well recorded. two reluctant thumbs up (my arse...? well....) decades-inappropriate-lust: ah, just not buying it. you whippersnappers too close-minded or what? must agree that bernhardt never really moved me -- more imposing than attractive -- but see above re: bacall, lauren; vickers, martha to say nothing of bergman, ingrid and deitrich, marlene. mrooWWr!! and etc. & c. and then of course, there's my own true dear JANE AUSTEN, although i concede that may not be quite the commonest of crushes -- but then again, i imagine it's a commoner crush than is generally reckoned. with deep love and affection i remain yr humble servant, etc., etc. - -- d. - ------------------------------------------------- Mayo-Wells Media Workshop dmw@ http://www.mwmw.com mwmw.com Web Development * Multimedia Consulting * Hosting ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:39:54 -0600 From: HAL Subject: Re: Ghost World Natalie Jane wrote: > I'm a > huge "Eightball" fan and I had pretty high hopes for this film seeing as > how Clowes co-wrote the screenplay That makes two of us and I feel it succeeded. But, I agree with most of what else you said, especially: > a shame that the film > did not focus on Enid and Rebecca's friendship, which was the main focus > of the book, and added much more poignancy to the ending Yes. > Enid did strike > me as sort of a Hollywood-ized hipster. In agreement here, but it has to be added that the art direction of the film is just beautifully done, especially for collector-weenies such as myself. The details in every scene were just right and captured the retro-kitsch/overall design of the original comics. Plus, the books in the comic store included only the best ones (i.e., a whole shelf devoted to EIGHTBALL.) If only... > I'm really surprised, by the way, that no tyrannical Hollywood executive > or evil manager has forced Thora Birch to diet away her surprisingly > large, womanly ass. Without a doubt, Enid's "look" (short skirt, large ass, boots) was a gift from Terry Zwigoff to his friend R. Crumb. (Crumb was obviously also the model for the expanded Buscemi character.) > Uh, and I guess now is the time to confess that... um... I find Steve > Buscemi attractive. Ectomorphs rock! Now who's gonna make a movie of "Like A Velvet Glove Cast In Iron"? /hal, who'd actually like to see a Zwigoff/Clowes adaption of "Caricature" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:21:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: More Industry crap on MP3 Here is another story on this issue. http://entertainment.msn.com/music/features/scramble.asp Herbie Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:23:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Lennon and Zappa? Anyone know anything about the 2 of them jamming? A guy is trying to trade me a copy of it. It has like 5 or 6 tracks. Thanks! Herbie Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 00:13:19 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: More Industry crap on MP3 On Monday, August 27, 2001, at 11:21 PM, Mike Swedene wrote: > Here is another story on this issue. > > http://entertainment.msn.com/music/features/scramble.asp This is just a smokescreen to distract you while Mr. Bill hijacks the standard. Pretty soon you'll be paying him 5 cents every time you launch whatever MP3 app you use. - - Steve __________ He may call himself conservative, but he is not. He is an insurgent who is out to upend America's defenses, eliminate our progressive tax system, undermine the separation of church and state, reduce environmental protection, and turn the clock back on reproductive rights. - Tanya Melich, Republican consultant, on George W. Bush ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:27:55 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Glass Eye - --On Monday, August 27, 2001 16:08:51 -0700 Eb wrote: > Maybe this is where I should stress > how overlooked those three Epic Soundtracks albums are...great stuff. > Anyone else have these? I've only got the first one, but I love it. Sigh, one of my fondest concert memories are still the These Immortal Souls shows with Epic Soundtracks. They sold posters which they had "beautified" by painting and signing their names - for $2! It's still hanging on my bedroom wall... - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:30:30 +0200 From: "noe shalev" Subject: Re: Lennon and Zappa? > Anyone know anything about the 2 of them jamming? A > guy is trying to trade me a copy of it. It has like 5 > or 6 tracks. http://cdnow.com/switch/from=sr-25210/target=buyweb_purchase/lcc=7777+93850+ 2 check the credits down the bottom and even a pic :-) http://www.uoregon.edu/~splat/1971_June_5th_Fillmore_East.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 08:02:06 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Lennon and Zappa? >Subject: Lennon and Zappa? >Anyone know anything about the 2 of them jamming? A >guy is trying to trade me a copy of it. >>Herbie This is a available on Sometime In N.Y.C(John & Yoko)and on Playground Psychotics(Zappa). I have heard that it is available from a film soundtrack also. I can't imagine that it sounds better than the two available versions though. It should also be noted that the two official releases sport two different mixes with different titles for the jams. Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:15:20 +0000 From: "Budd Leia" Subject: Saint Fegians Ross: >I didn't want to title this >"starfucking" because of our age difference Now, as a semi-contemporary I can -swear- that you probobly saw Harold and Maud... >Actually, the attraction I feel for her is quite >strange, lusting for someone from a different >era. Ive always had a thing for old guys as long as they still have a twinkle in their eyes. Its a combo of their old-fashionedness, knowledge of the world and probobly abit of an Electra complex. However over 90 -might- be pushing it;-) But then, looking at pictures of Sarah Bernhart -Ive- gotten the hots for her. She was a heartbreaker too, wonderful features. Im suprised the Goths never adopted her as a symbol, considering her sleeping habits;-) P.S. Yeah, Sappho was pretty cool too:-). - ---------------- James Found the Palmer! - ------------- All you English guys... who are always going on bout Ron Searle: The library has a copy of one of my favorite movies in so I took it home and actually watched the openning credits for once. It seems that this wonderful flick bout my dear old school "The Belles of St Trinians" is based on stuff by Searle! I still dont get all the in-jokes you guys trade from some book Searle did bout boys at school--but could one of you set me straight bout where I can track down the basis for St Trinians? Kay "But cleanliness of the soul is important, dont you thee-ee-ink?" Robyn Hitchcock _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:43:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: NYC Fegs Hey there NYC Area Fegs! I will be making a road trip into the big apple this weekend to drop the girlfriend off for another year at NYU. Anyone know any inexpensive places to leave a car over night in Manhattan or off the isle? Any and all help would be GREATLY appreciated! Thanks in advance! Herbie np-> Radiohead "True Love Waits" Boston 8/14/01 Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #321 ********************************