From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #319 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, August 26 2001 Volume 10 : Number 319 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Jam [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] angels beached outside your door ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: Jam [Ken Weingold ] Re: I'll put you through the looking-glass. How would you like THAT? [Ke] Hunter collectors ["Russ Reynolds" ] Monty Zimmerman ["Budd Leia" ] Ghost World [Natalie Jane Jacobs ] Glass Eye (was overinflated) ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." I never really listened to the Jam (not sure how that happened but it did.) >And Ive always -ment- to listen to them. If I put Jam into Morpheus I get >deluged with Pearl Jam. Are their specific song titles I should enter which >will wow my socks off? The bass playing on "Down in the Tube Station at Midnight" is to die for, as is the drumming on "Funeral Pyre". Other songs worthy of note: Eton Rifles, Going Underground, This is the Modern World, That's Entertainment, Pretty green, English Rose, The butterfly collector, a great cover of David Watts... you're a Who fan, you're a Kinks fan - how come you never listened to the Jam??? Everything you could ever want by the Jam is on one of two single-CD compilations: "All the Choice Cuts" and "The Jam Collection" (Polydor CDs 821712-2 and 531493-2). Amazingly, there is virtually no overlap on these two albums, either. >But "fluflet?" whats that, some weird antipoddyium action? my lips are sealed ;) >OTOH, he did fail to mention "Mainstream" by Lloyd Cole & the Commotions. good, but a let down compared to Rattlesnakes and Easy Pieces. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 17:18:28 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: angels beached outside your door Yes. np: a-ha. Sue me. >From: "Budd Leia" [Queen Elvis period] >Its >like he's going to put down his guitar at any point, mutter "sod it", and >just start screaming. And the words are an attempt at a screen or defense >against the pain, rather than an exploration of it. So if he just sings alot >of words fairly quickly then he wouldnt start screaming. But the words are >weakened by the fact that his real concentration is on not screaming. Intriguing take as usual -- you state it more strongly than I would, but I wasn't surprised at all when I heard the "I was very tense when I wrote it" intro. >Oh -- but love Edgyptian Cream. Its a girl thang. The lyrics are some of my favorites. It's just something about the arrangement, like I said. Maybe I need to actually become competent on an instrument so I can cover it. >Also like Madonna's "Live to Tell" and "Like a Prayer". Plus "Material >World" "Material Girl," you mean? Does it still make you think of Shelley? :) >Hal: > > >I don't think I could pick one single Hitchcock song as my favorite, > >though I think "Glass Hotel" would be way up there. It's something > >that happens in my spine and my head when I hear it. There's this > >fragile, tense, delicate part and this rushing release of truth for > >a minute and then back to the glass again. Hey, *I* wrote this. I'm sure Hal doesn't want to be tarred with my words! :) >From: Eb > >Actually, I couldn't think of any covers of those other songs you listed, >though lots of people (not really me) adore P J Harvey's version of >"Highway 61." I like it, but it seems like a different song when she does it. I heard it first and actually thought she was the one who added the word "Revisited." >From: HAL > >OK, call me tasteless, but "Jay And Silent Bob Strike Back" was just the >thing I needed to get me out of the sweltering August summer movie >doldrums...an old fashioned Sex, Drugs and Rock 'n' Roll film (with lots >of comicbook in-jokes.) Sorry to see Smith's self-referential >ViewAskewniverse go! Ghost World is next on the agenda. Ghost World is *excellent*. I like Smith okay (his films are incredibly flawed even by their own standards, but they're always entertaining) but I think you're going to be far more impressed by Zwigoff and Clowes (not to mention Birch and Buscemi). >From: "Poole, R. Edward" > >Ghost World: excellent. While being different than the book (and, if you >haven't read Dan Clowes stuff -- do so, starting with "Like A Velvet >Glove...," Ooh, god, don't start with "Like a Velvet Glove...". You'll run screaming. It still gives me the major creeps and is a completely different animal from "Ghost World" (though both are impressive, just in very different ways). >From: "Maximilian Lang" >I would like to say that I believe that Jason Mewes is perhaps the worst >actor with a regular gig in features. I would not be surprised if the >character is named Jay as to avoid confusing him. He would have problems >acting his was out of a wet paper bag...that was open. He's not an "actor." He's very obviously there to play himself. Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 20:43:36 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: angels beached outside your door/ Jason >Drew(on the subject of Jason Mewes) > >He's not an "actor." He's very obviously there to play himself. Okay, in that case he is the most uncomfortable existence ever committed to celluloid. Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 22:55:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: I'll put you through the looking-glass. How would you like THAT? Ken Weingold wrote: > Capuchin wrote: > > This Wheel's On Fire - The Band (though Siouxsie didn't know it at > > the time and thought she was covering Julie Driscoll) > > Bob Dylan. well, it's a Dylan-Danko composition, and The Band's came out first. I'd ultimately say both Dylan and The Band get credit for being the original artist. ===== "Loyalty to a petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul." -- Mark Twain "The divinity of Jesus has been made a convenient cover for every absurdity." -- John Adams "The jury is the last line of defense against corporate misconduct." -- Craig McDonald, Texans for Public Justice Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 22:56:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: I'll put you through the looking-glass. How would you like THAT? "Jason R. Thornton" wrote: > >Passenger, The - Is this Bauhaus or Iggy Pop? > > Iggy Pop - co-written by Mr. David Bowie. It can be found on "Lust > for Life." Those two composed some great tunes together, like "China > Girl." I think I'll give kudos to Bowie for covering himself so > often... except The Passenger was co-written by Iggy and Ricky Gardner, not Pop/Bowie. ===== "Loyalty to a petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul." -- Mark Twain "The divinity of Jesus has been made a convenient cover for every absurdity." -- John Adams "The jury is the last line of defense against corporate misconduct." -- Craig McDonald, Texans for Public Justice Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 08:23:04 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Lloyd Cole It does however contain 'My Bag', one of the great cocaine paranoia songs! Ash Ra Rotten > >OTOH, he did fail to mention "Mainstream" by Lloyd Cole & the Commotions. > > good, but a let down compared to Rattlesnakes and Easy Pieces. > > James ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 04:50:25 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Jam On Sat, Aug 25, 2001, James Dignan wrote: > The bass playing on "Down in the Tube Station at Midnight" is to die for, > as is the drumming on "Funeral Pyre". Other songs worthy of note: Eton > Rifles, Going Underground, This is the Modern World, That's Entertainment, > Pretty green, English Rose, The butterfly collector, a great cover of David > Watts... Speaking of, Bruce Foxton, the Jam's bassist, has been playing with Stiff Little Fingers for quite a while now. I have been a HUGE SLF fan since about 1986, and finally got to meet them a few years ago. They are all, including Bruce, real nice guys. Incidentally, as a b-side on an SLF CD single, they do Smithers Jones live. I know that Bruce wrote it, but not sure if he originally sang it, but I think he does on this version. If anyone wants, I can rip an MP3 of it. Let me know. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 05:03:11 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: I'll put you through the looking-glass. How would you like THAT? On Fri, Aug 24, 2001, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > Ken Weingold wrote: > > Capuchin wrote: > > > This Wheel's On Fire - The Band (though Siouxsie didn't know it at > > > the time and thought she was covering Julie Driscoll) > > > > Bob Dylan. > > well, it's a Dylan-Danko composition, and The Band's came out first. > I'd ultimately say both Dylan and The Band get credit for being the > original artist. Ah, right you are. I just looked at the record. Dylan/Danko. Thanks. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 08:22:10 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Hunter collectors First off, let me say that Ian Hunter's new album "Rant" could well be the greatest thing anyone's ever done past the age of 60, with the possible exception of some of Hugh Heffner's accomplishments. Second, if anyone has a copy of the recent double CD issue "Ian Hunter's Greatest Hits" could you please e-mail me off list? I've got a question regarding the packaging. Carry on. - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 15:48:46 +0000 From: "Budd Leia" Subject: Monty Zimmerman Lucy Sam: >Kay, May I suggest the following Jam tracks...All touched by the hand >of >God....start with **** Wouldnt you know the ones with the **** were pretty much the ones I couldnt find. Will keep looking, and hope to give a proper listen this coming week(I usually need to hear stuff a few times fore I really know what I think. Especially if the lyrics take some deciphering or theres interesting melodic stuff going on. Part of my pleasure with music seems to come from listening to something and remembering it at the same time.) Thanks for the recs. They help alot with new stuff. And Ken, that goes for you too:-). - ---------------- Eb: >The ever-ribald Kay: You know, I cant take a straightforward complement to save my life-- But since that ones half insult, I can deal with it;-). >>Are their good covers of :One Too Many Mornings...? >Well, I have a version by Bobby Sherman...is that good enough? ;) Nawwwww. Reallly? I dont think Id put it on the CDR but Id love to hear it. PJ Harvey and Highway 61, that sounds like a possible keeper. >Some of the more complex, longer Dylan songs (like several >you listed) are such formidable beasts of internal symbolism that no one >dares to touch them.. Cept Robyn, who plunges into stuff like Visions or Shelter and makes them work. I think the thing is, you have to be as symbolically intelligent as Dylan to pull it off-- and that fits a very small category of artists. >but the best film I've seen lately >(besides "O Brother, Where Art Thou?") was a rather different >animal: D.W. Griffith's "Orphans of the Storm." I havent seen that since High School! We had a great hippy filmie teacher who ran movies she thought were "important" every Wens afternoon(She was doing grad work in film at NYU and very very -serious-.) Then we got to bull about them for an hour afterwards(she must have really loved "film" to be willing to guide a bunch of 15 year olds thru stuff like Griffin and Cocteau;-). We did "Birth" and that one. I still can see Gish(yeah, just wonderful) valiently and pitifully battling thru the snow. B&W and silent and youre still really moved. I dont think the year somethings made, or the tech behind it has that much to do with whether ait works or not. And I assume you know that one of Susann's favorite books(A Girl Like I) has a good section on Gish, Griffith and that whole era;-). - ------------------------ Ross: >In sympathy w/ your search for Dylan covers. I >sometimes like his just-post-motorcycle-accident >period best, when he wrote shorter songs for >other people. I still stand by "I Shall Be >Unreleased" the Rhino comp I'm sure you know. >Now I have to get the CD for the extra tracks. >I like pop versions of Dylan. Yes, I like that too, as well as the dense stuff. Ill take a look at the Rhino comp. >Taj Mahal doing Watchtower. Might be good, >his Honky Tonk Women on the Stones tribute was >hilarious, sounding like he's on a broke down >porch w/ chicken pecking around his feet. That description is great. I can see it, the porch paint(whats left of it) is all peeling off and the weird-looking chickens are eating it. Will -have- to give a listen. And forgot bout Baez's version of IKIWM. - -------------- James sneaking sallies thru the allies-- Robert Palmer does "Ill be Your Baby Tonight"? Youve got to be kidding. (And if its true Ive got to hear it.) I actually have a weakness for Palmer's early smarm--its so bad its almost good. - -------------------- I didnt know about searching song titles on Amazon. Thanks all who mentioned it. - ------------------ Heres a confalation of threads which probly has no answer--if one of Monty Python's songs was a Dylan cover which would it be? :O) - ------------- Does anyone want to dis Fairports cover of "Percy's Song"? Cause if not it looks suspiciously like the list actually agrees about something. And we cant have that--now can we? - ------------- Kay, really really bored at work on a beautiful Saturday "But cleanliness of the soul is important, dont you thee-ee-ink?" Robyn Hitchcock _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 15:23:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Natalie Jane Jacobs Subject: Ghost World So I've been looking forward to seeing this for a loooong time - I'm a huge "Eightball" fan and I had pretty high hopes for this film seeing as how Clowes co-wrote the screenplay (i.e. it wasn't some Hollywood revamp). I liked it quite a bit - it's smart and funny, it's true to the book in spirit, though there's a lot of changes in the plot, and the adult actors are great and perfectly cast (Enid and Rebecca's friend Josh is also perfect - I wish he had a bigger role). I could really identify with Enid's problems and confusions, having been somewhat Enid-like myself as a young 'un. (I even had a weird quasi-friendship with a music-obsessed guy who was 20 years older than me, though it never got as far as it did with Enid and Seymour.) I also loved the incidental characters - especially the unexpected cameo from a certain "Eightball" character. The music was great, too - like that great Indian pop song that bracketed the film. I wonder if they're going to release a sound track... On the debit side, Thora Birch and Scarlet Johansson just really aren't very good actors. They can't seem to get much beyond teenage sullenness, and while this works for the subdued Rebecca, it doesn't work so well for Enid. Birch does do her best, but can't match the feisty, obnoxious character from the book. I also found it a shame that the film did not focus on Enid and Rebecca's friendship, which was the main focus of the book, and added much more poignancy to the ending especially. Finally, one thing that struck a really false note for me was Enid's fabulous vintage wardrobe and flawless make-up. My Enid-like friends and I did not look like that - we shopped at thrift stores and tried to look hip, but we were generally a rather shabby bunch. Maybe teenagers in big cities look different, I don't know. But Enid did strike me as sort of a Hollywood-ized hipster. I'm really surprised, by the way, that no tyrannical Hollywood executive or evil manager has forced Thora Birch to diet away her surprisingly large, womanly ass. I guess it's only a matter of time, though. Uh, and I guess now is the time to confess that... um... I find Steve Buscemi attractive. Please, please kill me. n. - -- Natalie Jane Jacobs gnat@bitmine.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 08:46:35 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Glass Eye (was overinflated) >From: Eb >Subject: Re: overinflated > >Most *under*rated: K. McCarty's Dead Dog's Eyeball (which isn't even in >print anymore). Yes, a damned fine album, indeed. I've been recently rediscovering the music I loved in the late 80s / early 90s, and that includes Glass Eye. So last week I listened to all of my Glass Eye and K. McCarty albums. Any other Glass Eye fans on this list? I got bummed, though, b/c Glass Eye's last (and best, I think) recording, "Every Woman's Fantasy" was never released -- I've got it in a cassette I was given by the band back in 1992 or so -- so I managed to get in contact with Brian Beattie and chat with him via email. He told me he wants to reissue all of Glass Eye's non-Bar None Records stuff, and he'd even send me a CD pressing of "Every Woman's Fantasy." I'm on this crusade to contact members of bands whose music I loved a decade ago but was never reissued on CD. Next, I need to talk to the lead singer of Slovenly. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #319 ********************************