From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #316 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, August 24 2001 Volume 10 : Number 316 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: overrate me ["Brian Huddell" ] Blur.... ["lucifersam" ] Re: overinflated thread ["lucifersam" ] Fw: [VegetableFriends] Taliban get it up the ....... ["lucifersam" ] That which is CHER [JH3 ] standing overration ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] RE: standing overration ["Poole, R. Edward" ] Re: overrated/1987... [Ken Weingold ] Re: overinflated thread ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: overrate me [Aaron Mandel ] RE: standing overration ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] It's the big Storefront TV debut [JH3 ] Re: overinflated thread ["lucifersam" ] Thank God She saw the light..... ["lucifersam" ] whole lotta fyqin' goin' on [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: overrated/1987... [Eb ] Re: overrate me ["Maximilian Lang" ] "she's called Elaine..." [Carole Reichstein ] Re: overrated/1987... [Miles Goosens ] Re: overrated/1987... [Capuchin ] Re: overinflated thread [Capuchin ] Re: overrated/1987... [Miles Goosens ] Re: overinflated [Eb ] Covers Ablums/wuz Re: overinflated [Jeff Dwarf ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 16:29:36 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: overrate me > > But Neutral Milk Hotel really does suck. > > Fuck you, Tom! It really only works if you use full names, like this: Fuck you, John Barrington Jones!!! Middle names are a nice touch as well. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 22:22:54 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Blur.... I agree, Blur are one of the few 'Guitar' groups I rate over the last decade. > Sorry, James, I don't get that one at all. At their early best (MODERN > LIFE IS RUBBISH and substantial portions of PARKLIFE, plus some of THE > GREAT ESCAPE), they seemed to be a brilliant amalgam of > Kinks/XTC/Jam. After the patchy GREAT ESCAPE and misfires of BLUR, I might > have gone "overrated" myself, but _13_ is one of the best albums I've ever > heard -- like they finally figured out what they were trying to do on BLUR... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 22:27:45 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: overinflated thread Um...Hopefully they were joking ;0) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- > >> > Hey Fuck You, Natalie Jane!!! > >> > >> Fuck you too, Tom Clark!!! > > this pretty much sums up these inane 'worst of/overrated/this sucks' threads. > perhaps it's due to my wholesome pentecostal upbringing or my green values; but > i never see the point in such slagging. it's not worth much. yeah, if you > can't say something nice, then at least be contructive. what the fuck? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 22:30:46 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Fw: [VegetableFriends] Taliban get it up the ....... ;0) http://www.taleban.com/ They've been hacked bbBBBBBWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA J ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:48:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: overinflated thread On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Ken Ostrander wrote: > >> > Hey Fuck You, Natalie Jane!!! > >> > >> Fuck you too, Tom Clark!!! See, this is actually VERY FUNNY if you know these two personally. On Thu Aug 23 14:45:56 2001 jbjones@pdx.edu wrote: > On 23 Aug 01, Tom Clark personally and purposefully baited me with: > > But Neutral Milk Hotel really does suck. > Fuck you, Tom! But if you know "Sloop" John B, this is unthinkably hilarious. Wishing you all knew what I know, J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 16:46:31 -0500 From: JH3 Subject: That which is CHER LJ Lindhurst wrote thusly: > As far as knockin CHER goes, I will just let it pass this time. > She's a misunderstood genius... I've been giving this some thought, and I've come to the conclusion that this must not pass, this time or any other! Cher is far, far more than a mere misunderstood genius. I would actually go so far as to say that Cher is the One True Cultural Icon of Our Time. Just when you think her career is over, when she can't possibly come back *yet again*, BAM! There she is! She's a pop star, a Vegas act, a TV variety show co-host, a leather-clad sex kitten, an infomercial queen, a movie actress, an Oscar-winner, and finally a pop star again. Cher is like an inflatable bottom- weighted punching clown -- you can smash, bash, and kick her around, but she just keeps popping back up, always with that big smile on her face, as if to say "nyaah nyahh, hit me again, asshole! See where it gets you!" Cher don't take no shit from nobody, no-how. Call her whatever you want, say that her work sucks, accuse her of having no essential core -- why should SHE care? She's richer than you! She's on TV *all the time!* Everything she does gets attention! And she isn't even all that good-looking or talented! She's famous simply for being famous. Indeed, Cher is perhaps the ultimate expression of the post-Sixties moral-philosophic ethic, which is to say that she is the ultimate expression of that which has no moral or philosophical ethic whatsoever. You don't have to buy the records, go to the movies, or even sit through the infomercials. Cher simply IS. And she cannot -- indeed, MUST not -- be stopped! For a society without Cher is not a society at all, but rather an empty shell of a culture gone mad... To say that Cher is "overrated," therefore, is completely missing the point. The fact that she's *rated at all* is what makes her so incredibly fabulous. I'll stop now, but if I hear of any gig tapes in which Robyn goes into a long monologue about Cher, then I'll *know* he's reading this list. John "half-brie, half-mozzarella" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:55:30 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: standing overration At 05:23 PM 8/23/2001 -0400, fegmaniax-digest wrote: >From: HAL > >from the king of nothing: Heh. I heard "Thriller" the other day and remembered that at one point there was actually a reason to like Michael Jackson. A friend of mine told me that his entire _school bus_ actually shut up to _listen_ when "Billie Jean" came on the radio, around the time it first came out. There's something almost supernatural about a feat like that. >From: Capuchin > >On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > > Okay. "Freeze" gets my vote for most massively overrated Robyn song. > >Possibly my favorite Robyn Hitchcock song. CERTAINLY my favorite >Egyptians song. Since you also like Cake and Neutral Milk Hotel, I'm beginning to see a pattern here. That's not a snipe; I think it's just a matter of where our personal aesthetics lead us. But don't let me put words in your mouth -- what makes it your favorite? I don't think I could pick one single Hitchcock song as my favorite, though I think "Glass Hotel" would be way up there. It's something that happens in my spine and my head when I hear it. There's this fragile, tense, delicate part and this rushing release of truth for a minute and then back to the glass again. I can't really explain it, but maybe you can explain "Freeze" for me. >Currently, I'd say my favorite song of all time is 'Til My Head Falls Off >by They Might Be Giants... mostly for the lyrical quality and imagery and >how the style of the music interacts with the theme. That album has really grown on me, and I always liked that song -- I don't really get sick of Linnell's endless lyric phrases, the ones Weird Al pastiched so lovingly in "Everything You Know Is Wrong". I tried again recently to listen to _John Henry_ though, and it's sadder each time I try. What happened there? It's as if two impersonators wrote and performed it. >My votes would be Positive Vibrations and Filthy Bird, most likely. I can't argue with those choices, though I do like "Filthy Bird." >From: Eb > >Well, judging from his setlists, *Robyn* sure seems to overrate "Queen >Elvis".... No debate. It's easy to play and sing, though, which is one reason I like it. :) >On *this* list, maybe the most overrated song is "The Yip Yip Yip Song." Or >whatever it's called. But let's not get into THAT again. ;) If it has deep personal meaning to the artist it MUST be good. Miles said what I wanted to say about Blur, though I must disagree that 13 is genius. >From: Ken Ostrander > >this pretty much sums up these inane 'worst of/overrated/this sucks' threads. > perhaps it's due to my wholesome pentecostal upbringing or my green values; > but i never see the point in such slagging. I think they're interesting (obviously). It's kind of reassuring to me that I'm not the only one to "miss" what so many people love about some music that leaves me cold. It's nice to hear people agreeing with me that music I love is lovable, but not nearly as stimulating or interesting. >artists that don't write their own music are the >bottom of the barrel for me. What, you mean, like Ella Fitzgerald? Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 18:04:30 -0400 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: standing overration >From: Capuchin > >On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > > Okay. "Freeze" gets my vote for most massively overrated Robyn song. > >Possibly my favorite Robyn Hitchcock song. CERTAINLY my favorite >Egyptians song. >Since you also like Cake and Neutral Milk Hotel, I'm beginning to >see a pattern here. That's not a snipe; I think it's just a matter >of where our personal aesthetics lead us. But don't let me put >words in your mouth -- what makes it your favorite? I'll also take a stab at defending "Freeze." It was the first RH&E song I really *heard* and listened to (having been introduced to the Soft Boys first, circa 1987, I initially dismissed RH&E as watered-down "pop" compared to the sonic complexities of, say, CoB -- still, BTW, my fave RH effort). Having just gone through a painful end-of-relationship period, I found the "I know who wrote the book of love..." part incredibly funny & insightful. (and, even today, I count that lyric as one of Robyn's best w/r/t relationships, right up there with "if they can't be rabbits, they'll be friends...") For a RH&E tune (both on the album and live), the tune positively Rawks! ... and in a good way. In recent years, I've enjoyed the sound of the solo electric version, which provides a nice change of pace in otherwise acoustic & harmonica sets. So what's wrong with it, anyway? 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To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 18:05:58 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: overrated/1987... I would have to add to these: Siouxsie and the Banshees - Through The Looking Glass New Order - Substance 1987 (yes, I know it's mostly extendo-versions, but it gave us Ceremony, True Faith, and 1963, all previously only on 12") Echo and the Bunnymen - Echo and the Bunnymen - -Ken On Thu, Aug 23, 2001, Miles Goosens wrote: > 1987 therefore looks like this: > > 1) R.E.M., Document > 2) Game Theory, Lolita Nation > 3) Prince, Sign O' the Times > 4) U2, The Joshua Tree > 5) Public Image Ltd., Happy? > 6) Momus, The Poison Boyfriend > 7) Julian Cope, St. Julian > 8) Bryan Ferry, Bete Noire > 9) The dBs,The Sound of Music > 10) The Replacements, Pleased To Meet Me > 11) X, See How We Are > 12) Pere Ubu, The Tenement Year > 13) Opal, Happy Nightmare, Baby > 14) Fleetwood Mac, Tango in the Night > 15) The Swans, Children of God > 16) Bruce Springsteen, Tunnel of Love > 17) The Jesus & Mary Chain, Darklands > 18) Terence Trent D'Arby, Introducing the Hardline According To Terence > Trent D'Arby > 19) The Pixies, Come On Pilgrim EP > 20) Husker Du, Warehouse: Songs and Stories > 21) Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers, Let Me Up (I've Had Enough) > > There are currently 25 2001 albums that I own. On the 1987 list, 1 through > 11 are records I rate as highly as any in my collection; on the 2001 list, > only 1 through 3 can claim that distinction. This might not prove anything > other than creeping fogeyism on my part. > > later, > > Miles - -Ken - -- hazmat@hellrot.org AIM: ScopusFest ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 15:16:25 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: overinflated thread At 05:11 PM 8/23/01 -0400, Ken Ostrander wrote: >i know this is kind of a cop out; but i refuse to waste my time listing off >shit i don't like or listen to. bah! i just keep thinking how hard it is to >write even a half baked song...artists that don't write their own music >are the >bottom of the barrel for me. I seriously disagree with that - there's a lot more to the "art" of music than simply composition. Some amazing musicians may have skills that accentuate other elements of music: performance, musicianship, timbre, stylistic innovation, etc. Heck, some of Eno's best work wasn't written so much as chanced upon. Oh yeah, on a completely unrelated note, here's another one for you, Eb... Eric Clapton. And fuck you, everybody. Fuck you one and all. - --Jasong "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 18:25:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: overrate me On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, John Barrington Jones wrote: > Fuck you, Tom! No, fuck you, Richard! It's fuckin' ponderous, man. I just don't believe it. Fuckin' ponderous. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 15:29:08 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: RE: standing overration At 06:04 PM 8/23/2001 -0400, Poole, R. Edward wrote: >I'll also take a stab at defending "Freeze." So, I'm hearing that (1) it rawks and (2) the middle section (that I already mentioned I liked) is insightful. Okay, thanks. >So what's wrong with it, anyway? (1) I find the almost-one-chord "verse" sections really grating and tiresome. They're sort of funny the first time through, but once you know what everything is called it's just sort of tedious. (2) The song doesn't really go anywhere (whatever that means). Now that I think about it, that middle section is a lot like the "rushing" parts I like from "Glass Hotel," only the difference is I like the other parts there as well. Here, it's not a payoff or a contrast, it's just a respite. (3) There are two versions of it on _Queen Elvis_, which is not the song's fault, but it helped me get sick of it. I don't know. Personally I think it's far too stilted to "rawk" in any of the versions I've heard, and the one lyric isn't enough to make me want to hear it as many times as Robyn evidently wants to play it. Like you, I tend to turn back to _A Can of Bees_ when I want to hear Robyn rock out. "Skool Dinner Blues" is one of my favorites there. Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 17:30:11 -0500 From: JH3 Subject: It's the big Storefront TV debut Apparently, "Storefront Hitchcock" is going to be shown on television for the very first time about two minutes from now on Showtime 3. By the time most of you read this it will have already started... Since I'm probably one of only a handful of feglist types who gets Showtime 3, I figured it would be remiss of me not to mention it. Can NBC, CBS, ABC, and/or Fox really be that far behind? John H. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 23:31:59 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: overinflated thread Why thank you ;0) > And fuck you, everybody. Fuck you one and all. > > --Jasong ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 23:47:44 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Thank God She saw the light..... Ex-All Saints singer Melanie Blatt has revealed that she took = cocaine while she was in the band. Speaking to Ministry Magazine, the star revealed that she used to = party all night on the drug before she realised how stupid it was, and = settled down with her husband Stuart Zender. She said, "I decided I = could stay up all weekend and I could wear my jeans and I could go to = Browns and I could look really cool with my sunglasses on. =20 "But I'm over that whole thing now. I did the coke thing, but I = met Stuart, who himself had been doing it for a lot longer than me, and = we just grew tired of it." In the same interview, Mel also admitted to = being a cannabis user saying, "It's just always been in me. When I was = on the dole, that's where my money went. It's all part of the creative = process. It should be legalised."=20 [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of spacer.gif] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:46:35 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: whole lotta fyqin' goin' on > >> > Hey Fuck You, Natalie Jane!!! > >> > >> Fuck you too, Tom Clark!!! > > this pretty much sums up these inane 'worst of/overrated/this > sucks' threads. > perhaps it's due to my wholesome pentecostal upbringing or my > green values; but i never see the point in such slagging. > it's not worth much. yeah, if you can't say something nice, > then at least be contructive. what the fuck? aw come on. Everyone here knows Natalie is sweet woogums to Tom's smidgeon fluflet. Anyway. I was always told that if you can't say something nice, talk about the weather. In 1367, it rained ferrets over a considerable portion of lower Westphalia. > >Blur seemed happy to > >be a poor man's Herman's Hermits. > >Sorry, James, I don't get that one at all. At their early best (MODERN >LIFE IS RUBBISH and substantial portions of PARKLIFE, plus some of THE >GREAT ESCAPE), they seemed to be a brilliant amalgam of >Kinks/XTC/Jam. hm. I like the Jam (personally I think Weller was good until about the time they split - of stuff since them only "My favourite shop" comes close - but I digress). I like the Kinks a lot, and I love XTC - one of my favourite half-a-dozen or so acts. But if I was to be kind to Blur, I'd compare their best with some of Madness's songs. And that best is fairly scarce pickings, even on Blur's "best" albums. I do have MLIR, and I used to own the other two but ditched them. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 17:22:20 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: overrated/1987... Miles: > 8) Bryan Ferry, Bete Noire Yeesh...really? That's one of two Ferry albums which I haven't even bothered to get (Taxi is the other). And no top-20 slot for Franks Wild Years or Sister, huh? Those seem pretty hard to deny. :) Also, Ubu's The Tenement Year may be exquisite but it's from *1988*. And you know, this is giving me deja vu. I have a feeling that I've told you this before. >on the 2001 list, only 1 through 3 can claim that distinction. Well, go on, don't be secretive.... >>I just hope everyone realizes that Natalie and I have a loving and tender >>relationship in real life. We just insult each other for your amusement. Just as with me and Viv. >But Neutral Milk Hotel really does suck. >-tc Well, that does it. You get no Xmas fruitcake, this year. I was tentatively planning to see ex-Spinane Rebecca Gates at Spaceland tonight, but a deadline crunch has negated those plans. Blah. And now I gotta track down a copy of her EP locally, which probably won't be easy. Today, I talked to the first person I've ever interviewed who wrote a song recorded by Claudine Longet. But no, it wasn't Paul McCartney, Brian Wilson or Neil Young. Drat. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 20:24:33 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: overrate me >On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, John Barrington Jones wrote: > > > Fuck you, Tom! > >No, fuck you, Richard! > >It's fuckin' ponderous, man. I just don't believe it. Fuckin' ponderous. > >a Absolutely goddamn right! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 18:07:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Carole Reichstein Subject: "she's called Elaine..." Drew posted: Okay. "Freeze" gets my vote for most massively overrated Robyn song. Is there some behind-the-scenes thing I don't know about that gets this into, like, EVERY setlist? I really loathed the song for a long, long time, and have only recently been able to warm to it at all, and then mostly because of the middle bit. Does it have some special meaning to the man himself that causes him to play it all the time? I like "Freeze" because of all the weird symbolic imagery that makes sense only to Robyn (and that's a guess on my part). I first heard this song in 1989 and giggled when I heard it...my boyfriend at the time had an exil ex called "Elaine," who slept with all of his best friends and stamped on his heart. Of course, this made Ben jealous of all girlfriends afterwards. So, it felt like Robyn and I were sharing a funny little secret about love and cheating and jealously and justice. It doesn't hurt that I feel a little hypnotized whenever I hear it. Hilariously, this boyfriend was also jealous of Robyn and fretted when I went to his shows. Ah youth. Carole ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 00:01:47 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: overrated/1987... At 05:22 PM 08/23/2001 -0700, Eb wrote: >Miles: >> 8) Bryan Ferry, Bete Noire > >Yeesh...really? That's one of two Ferry albums which I haven't even >bothered to get (Taxi is the other). Given your "Ferry's contemporary ambient-mush treatment" slur, I wouldn't expect you to buy or like it. Me, I'm happy to hang out with Robyn in the "soft, funky womb of Bryan Ferry." :-) >And no top-20 slot for Franks Wild >Years or Sister, huh? Those seem pretty hard to deny. :) SISTER, hm, I think I omitted it because it had been stolen by the time I did the list. FRANK'S WILD YEARS isn't a pimple on SWORDFISHTROMBONES or RAIN DOGS, and it still strikes me as a grievous disappointment after the first two installments of Waits' "trilogy." It still ought to be on the list (it's another stolen-in-'95-and-not-replaced item). >Also, Ubu's The Tenement Year may be exquisite but it's from *1988*. And >you know, this is giving me deja vu. I have a feeling that I've told you >this before. If you did, I have no memory of it. >>on the 2001 list, only 1 through 3 can claim that distinction. > >Well, go on, don't be secretive.... The lists are always at http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/miles/mkgbest.html; no secret there. The Scott Miller occupying 2001's #1 slot is the ex-V-Roy rather than the Game Theory/Loud Family Scott Miller (or the 6 String Drag Scott Miller, for that matter). And yeah, Sigur Ros was a 2000 release in most of the rest of the world, but not here, so it goes in 2001... later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 00:05:23 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: overrated/1987... At 06:05 PM 08/23/2001 -0400, Ken Weingold wrote: >I would have to add to these: > >Siouxsie and the Banshees - Through The Looking Glass > >New Order - Substance 1987 (yes, I know it's mostly extendo-versions, >but it gave us Ceremony, True Faith, and 1963, all previously only on >12") Those two don't count for my list because they're compilations -- no live albums, no comps. >Echo and the Bunnymen - Echo and the Bunnymen Another "stolen in '95 and not replaced" omission during list drawing-up. I like it better than most Bunnymen fans, but it's still their weakest album from the first go-round -- I guess hence my not replacing it yet 'n' all. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 22:30:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: overrated/1987... On Fri, 24 Aug 2001, Miles Goosens wrote: > At 06:05 PM 08/23/2001 -0400, Ken Weingold wrote: > >I would have to add to these: > >Siouxsie and the Banshees - Through The Looking Glass > > Those two don't count for my list because they're compilations -- no live > albums, no comps. Um, is Through The Looking Glass a comp? It's a cover album, but I'm pretty sure they're all contemporary recordings. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 22:42:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: overinflated thread On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Ken Ostrander wrote: > ...artists that don't write their own music are the bottom of the > barrel for me. I really appreciate a good cover. I don't like "remakes", per se... I mean, I find them pointless and often in poor taste (like Natalie Imbruglia's useless cover of "Torn"), but I do like a good cover. I very much like "This is how WE would have done that song" versions... and, of course, clever alterations of music or theme are a big hit with me. My favorite cover of all time is Forward To Death (Dead Kennedys) by the No Means No boys choir. Brilliant. A cappella punk. It'd be great to get a group together and tour with some of that. I've also always enjoyed They Might Be Giants' "Stump The Band" that they used to do during their live shows. Man, that was good, clean fun. But those are mostly just clever. Sometimes Then, On Thu, 23 Aug 2001 18:05:58 -0400 Ken Weingold wrote: > I would have to add to these: > Siouxsie and the Banshees - Through The Looking Glass So, it got me thinking. Hmm... influences/tribute/cover albums. Without doing any research, I am going to go out on a limb and say that the above is the best single-band cover album (for a band that is not a cover band) ever. It beats the pants of Thank You and Kojak Variety, that's for sure. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 01:02:19 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: overrated/1987... At 10:30 PM 08/23/2001 -0700, Capuchin wrote: >Um, is Through The Looking Glass a comp? > >It's a cover album, but I'm pretty sure they're all contemporary >recordings. You're right; I was confusing it with, what, ONCE UPON A TIME? The first singles collection. I've never owned THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 00:26:48 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: overinflated >> Siouxsie and the Banshees - Through The Looking Glass > >Without doing any research, I am going to go out on a limb and say that >the above is the best single-band cover album (for a band that is not a >cover band) ever Jeez...I barely resisted putting Siouxsie on my "overrated" list, and you come back with *this*. ;) My first-tier choices would be Nick Cave's Kicking Against the Pricks, John Zorn's The Big Gundown and (oho) the notorious ambient-musher's These Foolish Things. Plus Mermaid Avenue, if that's eligible. Most *under*rated: K. McCarty's Dead Dog's Eyeball (which isn't even in print anymore). Eb, currently awaiting a copy of the new Les Claypool disc (a song-by-song cover of Pink Floyd's Animals album) An excellent reference page I found today: http://www.bsnpubs.com/discog.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 01:37:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Covers Ablums/wuz Re: overinflated Eb wrote: > >> Siouxsie and the Banshees - Through The Looking Glass > > > >Without doing any research, I am going to go out on a limb and say > >that the above is the best single-band cover album (for a band that > >is not a cover band) ever still, white women from Bromley shouldn't sing "Strange Fruit." the rest of it is really cool though, especially "Hall of Mirrors" and "Trust in Me." i think i mentioned this a couple months ago when the first 1987 thread started. > Jeez...I barely resisted putting Siouxsie on my "overrated" list, and > you come back with *this*. ;) > > My first-tier choices would be Nick Cave's Kicking Against the > Pricks, John Zorn's The Big Gundown and (oho) the notorious > ambient-musher's These Foolish Things. KATP is on my short list of stuff to buy really soon, but I was tremendously disappointed with These Foolish Things when I got it a few months back. it felt like Ferry was trying to hard to be daring with the arrangements, and ended up being cute and pretentious too often. I didn't even keep it. > Plus Mermaid Avenue, if that's eligible. i would say no, as Guthrie never performed (to the best of anyone's knowledge) the songs, and the tunes were all new. it's more a collaboration from beyond the grave. > Most *under*rated: K. McCarty's Dead Dog's Eyeball (which isn't even > in print anymore). > > Eb, currently awaiting a copy of the new Les Claypool disc (a > song-by-song cover of Pink Floyd's Animals album) > > An excellent reference page I found today: http://www.bsnpubs.com/discog.html ===== "Loyalty to a petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul." -- Mark Twain "The divinity of Jesus has been made a convenient cover for every absurdity." -- John Adams "The jury is the last line of defense against corporate misconduct." -- Craig McDonald, Texans for Public Justice Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #316 ********************************