From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #315 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, August 23 2001 Volume 10 : Number 315 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Andy Kershaw ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Robyn at Dancebase, 22/8/02001 ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: 1987..... ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: 1987..... ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: radio 3 ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: I dont get it... ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Hi, I'm God [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: overrated/1987... [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: I dont get it... ["lucifersam" ] Re: 1987..... ["lucifersam" ] Re: Robyn at Dancebase, 22/8/02001 [strange little woj ] is this guy serious?! [HAL ] Re: is this guy serious?! ["lucifersam" ] Re: overrated/1987... ["Kenneth Johnson" ] overrated robyn songs ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: overrated/1987... [Eb ] Re: overrated robyn songs [Capuchin ] Re: overrated robyn songs [Eb ] Could someone please test this page for me? ["Sweet & Tender Hooligan" ] Re: Could someone please test this page for me? [strange little woj ] overinflated thread [Ken Ostrander ] Re: overrate me [Tom Clark ] a song about a superhero named tc ["Poole, R. Edward" ] RE: overinflated thread ["Brian Huddell" ] Re: overrate me [John Barrington Jones ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:41:10 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Andy Kershaw lucifersam wrote: > > So is Robyns full performance being broadcast on Radio 3 tomorrow? No, just highlights. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:44:32 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Robyn at Dancebase, 22/8/02001 "Stewart C. Russell" wrote: > > I left after some crew packed up Robyn's kit. They told me that he > wasn't coming back on, so I scooted at about 23:05. I should've stuck around for the Robyn interview (if it was in the hall), but frankly I didn't want to lurk around Waverley Station for all night until the 06:00 train left... Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:46:15 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: 1987..... lucifersam wrote: > > Only it was more creative to these ears. puh-leaze... what was so clever about "doof doof doof"? Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:47:42 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: 1987..... "Poole, R. Edward" wrote: > > There must be others I'm forgetting > (leaving out "Hot Shots II" on purpose, natch). I'd consider that a sin of omission. It's insanely great. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:51:48 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: 1987..... lj lindhurst wrote: > > >1987 was a great year, yes. > > Lalala, the year I graduated from HIGH SCHOOL! Shame I was in > bumfuck Missouri why are so many people down on Missouri? I may have some bias, but it's my favourite of the 15 or so I've seen (in part). I was at the Missouri State Fair in Sedalia not two weeks ago. It was great. Big hogs, rooster crowing competitions, and tractor pulls. Oh, and Billy Ray Cyrus... - -- Stewart C. Russell Senior Analyst Programmer stewart@ref.collins.co.uk Collins Dictionaries use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Bishopbriggs, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 12:02:39 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: radio 3 Cynthia Peterson wrote: > > Oh > wait! I see! It's hand and foot outlines! (This has been today's Shirt > Alert...thank you.) vaguely escherish, I'd say. I saw it before at one of the previous Edinburgh shows. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 12:23:02 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: I dont get it... lucifersam wrote: > > Just cant 'get' these Sacred Cows... you don't have to 'get' everything. Myself, I've never 'got' the Beatles, but I don't feel any the less for it. > Bob Dylan Then I'd wager you're probably not too sold on Robyn's acoustic+harmonica songs? I think I have all the pre-1970 Dylan albums after hearing Robyn cover "It Takes A Lot To Laugh, It Takes A Train To Cry". > Beach Boys turn yer brain off and just love the harmonies. The Apples in Stereo are a good intro to the Beach Boys sound, but I do have to admit that I don't actually own any Beach Boys albums... Good Vibrations is perfect in every way. > U2 I'm with you on this. Can never take them seriously after Absolutely's "Pretentious Band" spoof videos. > Blues of any kind It's not all "I woke up this morning...", y'know. > Weller since 1984 Weller, ever, has never done anything to me but annoy. > Janis Joplin If you don't like blues, this is no surprise. But she did have an amazing voice. My "How Stewart Got To Like The Blues" chart is below. It'll probably look way strange if you're not reading this in monospace (which I never understand why anyone uses variable pitch in e-mail...) Robyn \-> Bob Dylan \-> Woody Guthrie \-> Sonny Terry (sometimes accompanied WG) \-> Cephas & Wiggins [acoustic Piedmont blues] The above worked for me... Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 00:36:51 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Hi, I'm God >When I got back to my PC there were 41 new feg messages in my inbox. >Obviously what I really meant to write about was how sad it is that >people aren't sending lots of large checks to me every day. I also >think it would be a good idea for the daytime temperature in New Orleans >to drop about 20 degrees. Thanks. bundle up those 20 degrees and post 'em on down. I'll pay for the stamps. James, in the land where spring is just starting. James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 00:42:22 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: overrated/1987... d. dit: >overrated: > >[...] >Dylan post, what, _Empire Burlesque_? have a listen to "Oh Mercy". Oh... overrated? all the bland top 40s, to start with. I can't believe no-one has mentioned the likes of Madonna, Janet Jackson, Robbie Williams (partly redeemed by his personality which sets him apart from the rest of the cardboard), Boyzone (fer crissakes - get out of my ears!), ex-Spice-now-Spliced girls, etc etc etc. Or ar they all too easy targets? I'd definitely add Blur to the list. Whereas Oasis tried to be a second-rate Beatles, and Pulp aimed for caustic Kinks, Blur seemed happy to be a poor man's Herman's Hermits. faves of 1987? I don't think anyone's mentioned the following: Warehouse: Songs and Stories - H|sker D| The Lion and the Cobra - Siniad O'Connor The Joshua Tree - U2 Robbie Robertson Solitude Standing - Suzanne Vega What's a Few Men? (a.k.a. "Fate") - Hunters and Collectors Tallulah - The GoBetweens Saint Julian - Julian Cope Diesel and Dust - Midnight Oil Daddy's Highway - The Bats Calenture - The Triffids Bikini Red - Screaming Blue Messiahs a good year for Aussie music, I'd say. James PS - welcome to Keith and any other new arrivals/delurkers. Don't be afraid to chip in. The more voices, the merrier. Pull up a seat and have a fish. James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:36:47 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: I dont get it... Bob Dylan: Then I'd wager you're probably not too sold on Robyn's acoustic+harmonica songs? - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- On the contrary, I love 'em..***** - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Beach Boys turn yer brain off and just love the harmonies. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- I'm afraid all those 'girlie' harmonies drive me backwards..***** - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Weller, ever, has never done anything to me but annoy. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- I would arue that between 1978 and 1982 he was the best songwriter on the planet **** - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:02:30 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: 1987..... puh-leaze... what was so clever about "doof doof doof"? - Stewart. LOL, I'm sure the same was said about Elvis/Beatles/Stones et al.... Rock music with guitars, as a credible forward looking art form, died just after "Metal Box" by PIL as far as I'm concerned.After that, everything else sounded redundant. All those pre-Grunge head bangers, knocking out the same old riffs and boring us all to death. The Smiths were original and I thought Lloyd Cole wrote some great songs, but by 1987/88 there was nothing new at all, untill Afrika Bambatta decided to sample 'Trans Europe Express' by Kraftwerk, which in turn inspired a whole generation to dig out thier big brothers Krautrock & Dub Reagae LP's to create a whole new scene. I'm afraid Rock music has bored me to tears ever since, give ortake a few notable exceptions. People like Chemical Brothers and Orbital, Leftfield are or have been massively creative.Dismissing a whole scene as 'doof doof' is really like saying all rock music has always been crap because Mud/Alvin Stardust were successful, therefore everyone with a guitar must be as bad as Mud. Underground dance music has been at the cutting edge for that last 10 years. What did'Rock' come up with? Grunge! what a pile of cack! That said, I have lost interest in nearly all contemporary music, and Dance has got itself stuck down an ally that it cant get out of. So I'm mining the rich seam of unheard music from the past, that I was either too young to hear at the time (60's Psych) or just too pre-occupied to get into (Soft Boys). Ash Ra Rotten (Too much of a Clash City Rocker to listen to the Soft Boys, back in the old days!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 10:00:30 -0400 From: strange little woj Subject: Re: Robyn at Dancebase, 22/8/02001 i managed to capture the entire stream, including both sets by the bhundu boys, robyn's set and the interview. so now i have a 20 meg file sitting on the hard drive. whee. does anyone know of any free tools for editting realmedia or is there someone with real producer plus who wants to break this up for us? the current version of real producer basic doesn't support earlier versions of realmedia files and doesn't include an editor anyways. woj ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 08:09:26 -0600 From: HAL Subject: is this guy serious?! from the king of nothing: http://66.70.24.80/mj_send_01/mj_main.swf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 15:55:37 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: is this guy serious?! Well I just ordered mine ;0) > from the king of nothing: > > http://66.70.24.80/mj_send_01/mj_main.swf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:01:54 -0700 From: "Kenneth Johnson" Subject: Re: overrated/1987... >Then again, "overrated" basically means that we don't like them as much >as everyone else seems to. In some ways it's harder coming up with bands >that _aren't_ overrated, at least by their fan base. I agree. This is a fine line to walk, which is why I asked initially what was meant by overrated. It may mean something different to any random music fan. The whole discussion seemed arbitrary and pointless, but what else is new. It is all a matter of opinion/taste. And for my money we have a fairly well-rounded, diverse group to tackle such deep topics as best post modern rock album of the first half of 1984 or how evil corporations rule your petty lives. I love it when the list is busy like this, for entertainment factor alone. > >It took me a while to understand how you meant this. I can't >understand how anyone manages to listen to Cake at all. > >How do you define "mass media attention"? Likewise: "diverse"? mass media attention: meaning how often do you she her on MTV or hear her every five minutes on the radio. Perhaps massive media attention would have been a better way of putting it. Frankly if this coverage exists, I would be oblivious to it as I don't bother to parttake in either. If I am off base here, I will retract. I was talking about sheer volume compared to someone like SPew2. Listening to separate peoples understanding of overrated however, I'm not sure how much airplay fits in here. Diverse: in that she has legions of fans from all walks, she does try, despite whether or not one likes it (and I am not sold on all her sounds/albums) to do different things from project to project. Something that stuck out for me in this discussion was mention of immense word of mouth. This would qualify any of the darling bands we discuss on this list then. ie. NMH (who I think are awesome and I'm sure many would feel are overrated) Hey Kudos to any indie musician, even those that have rocketed to stardom from the grassroots up, to garner that much positive vibration among real people, who dont have to rely on EMpTV or Warner Bros. to push their product. I guess I just have so much respect and admiration, even if I dont like all her msuic, for Ani and others like her to consider them overrated. > >I stopped buying DiFranco's records when they stopped being distinguishable >from one another. To some extent this is true, but I think she has tried to redefine her sound every other time out (sometimes with disastrous (SP) results). OR they plod along the same old inroads- Witness the three alarm snooze fest that is her latest album. >while >allowing U2 so much rope: only so that they may hang themselves >but >thank >god we're not talking about lens prescriptions or bicycles. AMEN! ~Kenneth ******* "What have we achieved in mowing down mountain ranges, harnessing the energy of mighty rivers, or moving whole populations about like chess pieces, if we ourselves remain the same restless, miserable, frustrated creatures we were before? To call such activity progress is utter delusion." -- Henry Miller ********* _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 10:27:16 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: overrated robyn songs >From: Eb > >You know, when I posted that list, I was more interested in seeing >*others'* suggestions rather than defending my own choices. Heh. You should have known better than to expect _that_ outcome. :) >From: Capuchin > >I do believe it was Robyn's webcast that brought everyone to the >electronic totem today. Well, not everyone. I don't watch "webcasts," even Robyn Hitchcock webcasts. >From: "Stewart C. Russell" > >7. Freeze Okay. "Freeze" gets my vote for most massively overrated Robyn song. Is there some behind-the-scenes thing I don't know about that gets this into, like, EVERY setlist? I really loathed the song for a long, long time, and have only recently been able to warm to it at all, and then mostly because of the middle bit. Does it have some special meaning to the man himself that causes him to play it all the time? I'm not sure what other Robyn songs I would consider overrated (and now we pretty much have to be talking solely about fan sentiment -- otherwise we can only note that "Balloon Man" is Nice And All But). "Uncorrected Personality Traits" (cute, clever, but such an anomaly)? I love "Airscape," but maybe it gets a little more adulation than strictly necessary. I've always been kind of iffy on "Egyptian Cream," but I think that's a problem of arrangement rather than the song itself. Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:28:29 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: overrated/1987... James: >Or ar they all too easy targets? I think I already explained myself, on this matter. And I don't think Madonna is overrated, anyway. As I said about U2, "she does it very well, but it's just not for me." Heck, I really like a few Madonna songs. "Live to Tell," "Like a Prayer," "Express Yourself," "Cherish".... Hard to deny she has recorded quite a few seriously catchy tunes. She's probably a bit overrated as an Ideal Model of the Modern Independent Woman, but that's not really a musical issue. >I'd definitely add Blur to the list. Whereas Oasis tried to be a >second-rate Beatles, and Pulp aimed for caustic Kinks, Blur seemed happy to >be a poor man's Herman's Hermits. Oooh, brutal. ;) Though I can't imagine why you think Pulp is more like the Kinks than Blur. Drew: >>You know, when I posted that list, I was more interested in seeing >>*others'* suggestions rather than defending my own choices. > >Heh. You should have known better than to expect _that_ outcome. :) I suppose so. ;) - --- I've never really enjoyed *anything* by Paul Weller (well, maybe "Beat Surrender"), but I feel terribly guilty about it. ;) I just can't get past how much I despise his singing voice, even though I know he has written plenty of quality songs. Oh well. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:35:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: overrated robyn songs On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > Okay. "Freeze" gets my vote for most massively overrated Robyn song. Possibly my favorite Robyn Hitchcock song. CERTAINLY my favorite Egyptians song. I used to say it was my favorite song bar none, but that opinion has slid in recent years. Currently, I'd say my favorite song of all time is 'Til My Head Falls Off by They Might Be Giants... mostly for the lyrical quality and imagery and how the style of the music interacts with the theme. > I'm not sure what other Robyn songs I would consider overrated (and > now we pretty much have to be talking solely about fan sentiment -- > otherwise we can only note that "Balloon Man" is Nice And All But). > "Uncorrected Personality Traits" (cute, clever, but such an anomaly)? > I love "Airscape," but maybe it gets a little more adulation than > strictly necessary. Hmm... now THAT is interesting. Robynsongs that are overly flattered in our personal estimation. My votes would be Positive Vibrations and Filthy Bird, most likely. > I've always been kind of iffy on "Egyptian Cream," but I think that's > a problem of arrangement rather than the song itself. Egyptian Cream on Gotta Let This Hen Out! and the rendition at Bayard's Birthday Gig keep this song way up on my list. I wish I had it with me here, now. Damn. Hey, does anyone have Bayard's Birthday Gig and a minidisc recorder? Let me know. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:42:18 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: overrated robyn songs Well, judging from his setlists, *Robyn* sure seems to overrate "Queen Elvis".... On *this* list, maybe the most overrated song is "The Yip Yip Yip Song." Or whatever it's called. But let's not get into THAT again. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:00:06 -0500 From: "Sweet & Tender Hooligan" Subject: Could someone please test this page for me? Could someone who is using a browser other than Internet Explorer 5.x go to http://x-real.firinn.org/newtest.html and try the link? Clicking the link should create a pop up window. Thanks in advance. - - s&th cirhsein@yahoo.com "And then I lost it. I kinda lost it all, you know? Faith, dignity, about fifteen pounds..." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 12:13:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Could someone please test this page for me? On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Sweet & Tender Hooligan wrote: > Could someone who is using a browser other than Internet Explorer 5.x > go to http://x-real.firinn.org/newtest.html and try the link? > Clicking the link should create a pop up window. Netscape 4.7, Solaris 2.7. The popup comes up with TEST PAGE as the text at a size of 550x300. All of the images are broken. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 15:18:00 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Could someone please test this page for me? On Thu, Aug 23, 2001, Sweet & Tender Hooligan wrote: > Could someone who is using a browser other than Internet Explorer 5.x go to > http://x-real.firinn.org/newtest.html and try the link? > > Clicking the link should create a pop up window. Works in Mozilla 0.9.2. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 15:51:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: overrated robyn songs On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Capuchin wrote: > Currently, I'd say my favorite song of all time is 'Til My Head Falls > Off by They Might Be Giants... mostly for the lyrical quality and > imagery and how the style of the music interacts with the theme. seriously? that struck me as very slight even for that period of TMBG (which thankfully seems to be over, as the new album has more of the old experimental spirit). catchy but not otherwise memorable. > Hmm... now THAT is interesting. Robynsongs that are overly flattered > in our personal estimation. "Airscape" and "City Of Shame". never really saw the point to either one. i doubt i'd be able to think of the name of either one if he didn't play them so much. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 16:14:35 -0400 From: strange little woj Subject: Re: Could someone please test this page for me? when we last left our heroes, Sweet & Tender Hooligan (cirhsein@yahoo.com) exclaimed: >Could someone who is using a browser other than Internet Explorer 5.x go to >http://x-real.firinn.org/newtest.html and try the link? doesn't work in lynx 2.8rel.2 but you probably knew that and don't care. ;) +w ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 15:20:51 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: overrated/1987... At 12:42 AM 8/24/2001 +1200, James Dignan wrote: >I'd definitely add Blur to the list. Whereas Oasis tried to be a >second-rate Beatles, and Pulp aimed for caustic Kinks, Blur seemed happy to >be a poor man's Herman's Hermits. Sorry, James, I don't get that one at all. At their early best (MODERN LIFE IS RUBBISH and substantial portions of PARKLIFE, plus some of THE GREAT ESCAPE), they seemed to be a brilliant amalgam of Kinks/XTC/Jam. After the patchy GREAT ESCAPE and misfires of BLUR, I might have gone "overrated" myself, but _13_ is one of the best albums I've ever heard -- like they finally figured out what they were trying to do on BLUR... >faves of 1987? I don't think anyone's mentioned the following: > >Saint Julian - Julian Cope I would have sworn it was '86, but since even Cope's site says '87, I guess my leaky memory conflated the release of the WORLD SHUT YOUR MOUTH EP with the ST. JULIAN album proper. Gotta change my website to move it to the right year. 1987 therefore looks like this: 1) R.E.M., Document 2) Game Theory, Lolita Nation 3) Prince, Sign O' the Times 4) U2, The Joshua Tree 5) Public Image Ltd., Happy? 6) Momus, The Poison Boyfriend 7) Julian Cope, St. Julian 8) Bryan Ferry, Bete Noire 9) The dBs,The Sound of Music 10) The Replacements, Pleased To Meet Me 11) X, See How We Are 12) Pere Ubu, The Tenement Year 13) Opal, Happy Nightmare, Baby 14) Fleetwood Mac, Tango in the Night 15) The Swans, Children of God 16) Bruce Springsteen, Tunnel of Love 17) The Jesus & Mary Chain, Darklands 18) Terence Trent D'Arby, Introducing the Hardline According To Terence Trent D'Arby 19) The Pixies, Come On Pilgrim EP 20) Husker Du, Warehouse: Songs and Stories 21) Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers, Let Me Up (I've Had Enough) There are currently 25 2001 albums that I own. On the 1987 list, 1 through 11 are records I rate as highly as any in my collection; on the 2001 list, only 1 through 3 can claim that distinction. This might not prove anything other than creeping fogeyism on my part. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 17:11:06 -0400 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: overinflated thread >> > Hey Fuck You, Natalie Jane!!! >> >> Fuck you too, Tom Clark!!! this pretty much sums up these inane 'worst of/overrated/this sucks' threads. perhaps it's due to my wholesome pentecostal upbringing or my green values; but i never see the point in such slagging. it's not worth much. yeah, if you can't say something nice, then at least be contructive. what the fuck? that said, the difference between a great single and a great album underscores the value of any artist. the philisophical debate about what separates a great dirivitive album vs. a mediocre yet boldly experimental album is also telling. i know this is kind of a cop out; but i refuse to waste my time listing off shit i don't like or listen to. bah! i just keep thinking how hard it is to write even a half baked song...artists that don't write their own music are the bottom of the barrel for me. the jump the shark discussion is a little more interesting, for pure entertainment value. of course, if you want to talk about when the stones sold out, i think it was when mick met keith on the train that day... by the way, 1987 brought a renaissance of musical discovery for me. it seemed like everything i was exposed to was fabulous. not all of it was released that year; but whatcha gonna do? throwing muses, the egyptians, echo, the cure, the smiths, husker du, many other sacred cows...sometimes it takes a while to be ready for an artist. i sing the praises of morpheus! feels like this one's gonna stick around for awhile. god bless the netherworld of the netherlands! >>last monday i saw billy idol with steve stevens at avalon. > >Well, LJ, at least Quail didn't make you see *this* show. () that's what billy would want from you. () >>To paraphrase Eddie, this may well have been the greatest >>concert experience of my life, second only to the first time I saw >>Radiohead, 10 months ago at the Greek. > >Arrrrrgh. ;) you do it to yourself. i saw the 'head last week at a local dog race track and it was simply marvelous. i arrived too late for the beta band. the video of the band was the best i've ever seen at a large venue. ken "you are your own rainbow" the kenster np getz/gilberto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:16:20 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: overrate me I just hope everyone realizes that Natalie and I have a loving and tender relationship in real life. We just insult each other for your amusement. But Neutral Milk Hotel really does suck. - -tc on 8/23/01 12:25 AM, lucifersam at lucifersam@ntlworld.com wrote: > Blimey! > > >>> Hey Fuck You, Natalie Jane!!! >> >> Fuck you too, Tom Clark!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 17:19:52 -0400 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: a song about a superhero named tc >I just hope everyone realizes that Natalie and I have a loving and tender >relationship in real life. We just insult each other for your amusement. Awww, couldn't you just insult each other in real life, and get all loving and tender for our amusement? ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. 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To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 16:21:15 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: overinflated thread > >> > Hey Fuck You, Natalie Jane!!! > >> > >> Fuck you too, Tom Clark!!! > > this pretty much sums up these inane 'worst of/overrated/this > sucks' threads. > perhaps it's due to my wholesome pentecostal upbringing or my > green values; but i never see the point in such slagging. > it's not worth much. yeah, if you can't say something nice, > then at least be contructive. what the fuck? It was a joke. They have no intention of fucking each other. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:23:40 -0700 (PDT) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: overrate me On 23 Aug 01, Tom Clark personally and purposefully baited me with: > But Neutral Milk Hotel really does suck. Fuck you, Tom! =jbj= ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #315 ********************************