From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #312 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, August 22 2001 Volume 10 : Number 312 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: 1987..... ["matt sewell" ] Re: BBC Online - Radio3- Friday Aug 24 [John Barrington Jones ] Re: Cracked Actor ["JH3" ] Re: Cracked Actor ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: 1987..... ["lucifersam" ] Re: Cracked Actor ["JH3" ] Re: 1987..... [Eb ] Oh, Lord... ["Sweet & Tender Hooligan" ] RE: 1987..... ["Poole, R. Edward" ] Re: 1987..... [Capuchin ] 2001 (Re: 1987.....) [Tom Clark ] RE: 2001 (Re: 1987.....) ["Poole, R. Edward" ] Re: 1987..... ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: 1987..... ["Kenneth Johnson" ] Re: 1987..... [Eb ] Re: 1987..... ["Mike Wells" ] Re: 1987..... [Aaron Mandel ] Re: 1987..... [lj lindhurst ] RE: 1987..... ["Poole, R. Edward" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:50:48 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: 1987..... Acid house didn't reach the sleepy town of Abingdon until 1988... I guess even at 16 I still wasn't up-to-the-minute! Matt "didn't even go to a rave until 1990!" Sewell >From: "lucifersam" >Reply-To: "lucifersam" >To: >Subject: 1987..... >Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:00:33 +0100 > >Gotta say, I thought that 1987 was better than most. The advent of Acid >House, >which shook everything up and changed a lot of things...;0) > > >the music scene at the moment is tantamount to 1987... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 08:51:03 -0700 (PDT) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: BBC Online - Radio3- Friday Aug 24 Hey, for the time zone impaired- What time would that be over here on the West Coast? did i miss it already? =jbj= On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Robyn on BBC Radio 3 at 22:30: > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-perl/whatson/search/daylist.cgi?tmp=whatson%2Fsdk%2Fradio3%2Fdaylist.tmpl&service_id=49699&day=Friday ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:57:07 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: BBC Online - Radio3- Friday Aug 24 John Barrington Jones wrote: > > Hey, for the time zone impaired- > > What time would that be over here on the West Coast? well, 22:30 BST (BST = GMT+1) is probably eight hours different from you; just back from Colorado Springs, which was 7 hours behind here. > did i miss it > already? nope, it's not even 1700BST yet. Stewart (who is going to trog through to edinburgh regardless of lack of ticket [any UK feg who is going and has a spare !!pls!! phone me on 07949 362505] and awful jetlag.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 10:35:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Toast Titanium (No RH%) (APPLE questions) Anyone here have a copy of Titanium? I just need an upgrade and the people at COMPUSA do not have the upgrade in stock. Anyhelp would be appreciated. Also, has anyone ever used Thursby's Dave? I am having some glitches. As always, thanks! Herbie Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:10:23 -0700 From: Daniel and Ann Cotten Subject: News: Pretty Things with Dave Gilmour & Soft Boys Just snatched this from echoes, the Pink Floyd list: > 'MIND YOUR HEAD' MUSIC > > Krautrock pioneers FAUST, influential British rock and > punk act THE PRETTY THINGS and THE ORB are amongst the > artists set to feature at PINK FLOYD man DAVID > GILMOUR's 'MIND YOUR HEAD' series of events at LONDON > ROYAL FESTIVAL HALL during October. > > The festival, a twist on the annual South Bank > Meltdown Festival, will run from October 3 to 19. The > series of shows are being pitched as "celebration of > the fascination with altered states that emerged from > the 1960s subculture". > > The full list of artists to appear are: > > The Orb, Gong, Acid Mothers Temple (October 3) > Hawkwind, Add (N To X) (10) > Faust, David Ball & Ingo Vauk of Soft Cell, and Gary > Lucas of Captain Beefheart (12) > The Pretty Things playing 'SF Sorrow' (narrator Arthur > Brown) with special guest David Gilmour & The Soft > Boys (19) > dc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 11:21:06 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Toast Titanium (No RH%) (APPLE questions) on 8/22/01 10:35 AM, Mike Swedene at pulp_101@yahoo.com wrote: > Also, has anyone ever used Thursby's Dave? I am > having some glitches. I use it, though not very often. It completely freezes my PowerBook when I try to copy large amounts of data from a Winblows machine. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:26:12 -0700 From: Daniel and Ann Cotten Subject: Re: News: Pretty Things with Dave Gilmour & Soft Boys Daniel and Ann Cotten wrote: > > > The Pretty Things playing 'SF Sorrow' (narrator Arthur > > Brown) with special guest David Gilmour & The Soft > > Boys (19) > > Oops. You already knew that. I should have checked fegMANIA before posting. Think I'll go back to my corner and lurk. dc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 18:45:18 +0000 From: "Rue'd Beccia" Subject: Pavement-sitting Susan Yes, know and like the poem, especially since I already sit on the pavement when Im tired;-). I started practicing being eccentric at about 13, and by the age of 23 I realized with bitter and sweet horror that it seemed to have taken; there would be no getting away from it for now on. - -------------- Ross n reading Ive finially located my daughters long lost copy of Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire. Im about half way thru and just love how much invention there is in it. Plus all the other good stuff. Also The Way to Xanadu, looking at the all early travel lit which may have inspired Coleridge. Have just started it so dont know if Ill like it. Also a crankiania book which bodes well. Its all about Jesus, menhirs, Israel and the Druids with lots of side angles. Im hoping its either completely cracked and fun or has good archetypal resonances and is moving. Or both;-) Plus gardening stuff. Im actually starting to recognize the latin names for things. - ------------- And yes kiddies, too much coke is as good a highway to hell as any. It truelly fries you. - ------------ Eb, to make you happy Im going to make a music ref. Ill take Palistrata over Monteverdi anyday;-) - ----------- Kay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:52:57 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: Cracked Actor > ...Much of the narrative concerned Bowie retiring the > Ziggy Stardust character, and he was nowhere near > his Thin White Duke period yet...what do YOU think > came between those two phases? Surely I'm not the only one who remembers Bowie's "Gap-Toothed Beer-Swillin' Confederate-Flag-Wavin' Redneck" persona? John "woo-hoo" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:07:02 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Cracked Actor At 01:52 PM 8/22/01 -0500, JH3 wrote: >Surely I'm not the only one who remembers Bowie's >"Gap-Toothed Beer-Swillin' Confederate-Flag-Wavin' >Redneck" persona? Was that before or after he split himself in thirds and formed Bell Biv Devoe? - --Jason "made a right turn at Sunset and Vine" Thornton ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 20:24:58 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: 1987..... Oh, I'm no hip dude mate. I was 29 in 1988! But it definately gave 'popular music' it's biggest kick up the arse since 1977. Only it was more creative to these ears. I think the music only reached it's potential in the early/mid 90's. Leftism - Leftfield Snivilisation- Orbital Timeless- Goldie All total works of art. Defined a generation.... Rock On (not!) Old Geezer.... > Acid house didn't reach the sleepy town of Abingdon until 1988... I guess > even at 16 I still wasn't up-to-the-minute! > > Matt "didn't even go to a rave until 1990!" Sewell > > > > >From: "lucifersam" >Reply-To: "lucifersam" >To: >Subject: 1987..... > >Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:00:33 +0100 > >Gotta say, I thought that 1987 > was better than most. The advent of Acid >House, >which shook everything > up and changed a lot of things...;0) > > >the music scene at the moment > is tantamount to 1987... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:35:43 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: Cracked Actor > >Surely I'm not the only one who remembers Bowie's > >"Gap-Toothed Beer-Swillin' Confederate-Flag-Wavin' > >Redneck" persona? > Was that before or after he split himself in thirds and > formed Bell Biv Devoe? Before, I think! The anagram for Bell Biv Devoe is EVE DEVIL-BLOB, whereas the anagram for David Bowie is EVIL BOD-WAD. John "if only my last name were 'Hodges'" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:40:10 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: 1987..... >the music scene at the moment is tantamount to 1987... >Gotta say, I thought that 1987 was better than most. 1987 was a great year, yes. I have more albums from that year than almost any other. But what do you think makes the current scene equal to 1987? It's like night and day to me. 1987: Optimism. Loads of great bands on the way up...a new alt-rock signing boom on the way with REM, the Pixies, Jane's Addiction, the Woodentops, Billy Bragg and others moving up to the biggies. Exceptional albums include: Locust Abortion Technician, Moonhead, Franks Wild Years, Psonic Psunspot, Document, Diesel & Dust, In My Tribe, Sister, Drum, Pleased to Meet Me, Warehouse: Songs & Stories, Sign o' the Times. Plus several superb compilations which practically seemed like new releases (Dead Letter Office, Back to Basics, Juvenilia, Another Scoop...). Major new artists include: Jane's Addiction, Sinead O'Connor, Blake Babies (Juliana Hatfield), Hugo Largo, Victoria Williams, the revitalized Wire. And Flying Nun artists like the Chills, Verlaines, Bats and Tall Dwarfs start getting US visibility for the first time. 2001: Pessimism. Loads of great bands on the way down...major labels purging every alt-rock act which doesn't sound like either Blink-182 or Limp Bizkit. Exceptional albums: No More Shall We Part. Major new artists: none, as yet. Blah. This reminds me: I was musing about the most overrated artists of all-time the other night, though my own candidates wouldn't surprise anyone who has been reading my posts for awhile. Anyone else wanna offer their nominees? In addition to some obvious Ebpicks like Bauhaus, Radiohead and the Dead, I scribbled down the Red Hot Chili Peppers, the aforementioned Jane's Addiction, Santana, Alice in Chains, Cher, Henry Rollins, Tina Turner, Meat Loaf, Aaron Neville, the Dave Matthews Band, Cake, Echo & the Bunnymen, the Verve, Ani DiFranco, Morphine, Happy Mondays, Korn, Social Distortion, the Stone Roses, Barenaked Ladies, Bill Nelson, the Dead Kennedys, No Doubt, Wilco, White Zombie, the Cult, the Dream Syndicate, Galaxie 500.... I might have forgotten some names, though. I was purely brainstorming. And yeah, there's mostly recent artists on that list -- I guess that's because time eventually caught up with most of the overrated artists of the past. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:41:02 -0500 From: "Sweet & Tender Hooligan" Subject: Oh, Lord... I was just more or less told that I'm going to be laid off. My boss didn't say, "such and such will be your last day", but he said, "Nothing is official, but I would start looking for something if I were you". Scared, - - s&th cirhsein@yahoo.com "'Be Yourself' is about the worst advice you can give to people." - Mark Twain ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:50:32 -0400 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: 1987..... I wasn't going to stray into these murky waters until... Eb: >2001: . . . Exceptional albums: No More Shall We Part. Major new artists: >none, as yet. I agree in general terms with most of what you've said (hows that for mealy-mouthing?), but what about... Radiohead's Amnesiac, Mogwai's Rock Action, PJ Harvey's Stories From the City...? There must be others I'm forgetting (leaving out "Hot Shots II" on purpose, natch). You need some distance before making those sorts of judgments (aside from the "instant classics" listed above). ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or person responsible for delivering this confidential communication to the intended recipient, you have received this communication in error, and any review, use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, copying, or other distribution of this e-mail message and any attached files is strictly prohibited. If you have received this confidential communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail message and permanently delete the original message. To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:26:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: 1987..... On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Eb wrote: > 1987 was a great year, yes. I have more albums from that year than almost > any other. But what do you think makes the current scene equal to 1987? > It's like night and day to me. I think we had this conversation just a few months back. > 1987: I believe I came out in favor of 1986 over '87. I still hold to that. > 2001: Pessimism. Loads of great bands on the way down...major labels > purging every alt-rock act which doesn't sound like either Blink-182 or > Limp Bizkit. Exceptional albums: No More Shall We Part. Major new artists: > none, as yet. Well, the media consolidation of the past fifteen years is unsurpassed probably in any industry over any similar period of time ever. It's quite obvious why diversity and artistry are on the decline. > This reminds me: I was musing about the most overrated artists of all-time > the other night, though my own candidates wouldn't surprise anyone who has > been reading my posts for awhile. Anyone else wanna offer their nominees? Hoo, boy... overrated musicians in commercial music, huh? I think you can just concatenate the label rosters and be done with it. In fact, considering how many people are capable of producing quality music in the "pop" and "rock" genres, I would say that it's almost impossible to determine the PROPER amount of adulation a gifted musician should receive. I mean, I think anyone who attains what is called "celebrity" status for music in our culture is overrated. Nobody is that important. That said, we have to have our limits, don't we? So let's say you mean musicians that receive a certain level of praise, whilst the majority at that same level are more talented and interesting. I think this are almost so absurd as to be untennable: Cake Echo & the Bunnymen Morphine Social Distortion the Dead Kennedys I think this one is absurd in a different way, in that no musician that receives this level of hype is worthwhile, but this one is certainly better than many in that cluster: No Doubt These are pretty understandable, however: > Meat Loaf, Aaron Neville, the Dave Matthews Band, the Verve, Ani > DiFranco, Happy Mondays, Korn, the Stone Roses, Barenaked Ladies, Bill > Nelson, Wilco, White Zombie, the Cult, the Dream Syndicate, Galaxie > 500.... J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:26:07 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: 2001 (Re: 1987.....) on 8/22/01 12:40 PM, Eb at ElBroome@earthlink.net wrote: > 2001: Pessimism. Loads of great bands on the way down...major labels > purging every alt-rock act which doesn't sound like either Blink-182 or > Limp Bizkit. Exceptional albums: No More Shall We Part. Major new artists: > none, as yet. Dude, The Fucking White Stripes! How many times do I need to tell you people? Geez! - -tc, still waxing nostalgic about 1985-1987 alt rock. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:41:45 -0400 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: 2001 (Re: 1987.....) tc: > still waxing nostalgic about 1985-1987 alt rock. Yeah, me too. Which reminds me, how come fIREHOSE didn't make the 1987 list? (admittedly, their 1987 "If'n" was not quite as outstanding as 1986's "Ragin Full On" but still.) Jeme: >Well, the media consolidation of the past fifteen years is unsurpassed >probably in any industry over any similar period of time ever. It's quite >obvious why diversity and artistry are on the decline. I couldn't argue with that w/r/t "major label" artists, but nowadays, anyone with $3000-5000 dollars worth of recording equipment & cd-burners can release a cd (less, if you want to). The vast media consolidation/homogenization chokes off the ability of such "indies" to get distribution (and radio airplay and marketing, etc). There is still great stuff out there, you just have to work hard to find it (and the artists rarely derive a living wage off it. Which reminds me of another neglected late 80's & 90's outfit, Columbus Ohio's very own Scrawl. In 1990 (91?), I went to their record release (for "Bloodsucker") "Potato Chip Party" at Lounge Axe in Chicago. The band members (still 3 women at that point, before they got a different, and make, drummer), wore their "work clothes" for the gig -- i.e., office attire, complete with heels and snappy suits -- because that's how they made their money to support their music -- being temps. moral: corporate rock still sucks (and always did) (even if some great music was released by majors when they smelled profit in it; really a historical anomaly, more than anything else). - -ed ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or person responsible for delivering this confidential communication to the intended recipient, you have received this communication in error, and any review, use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, copying, or other distribution of this e-mail message and any attached files is strictly prohibited. If you have received this confidential communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail message and permanently delete the original message. To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:45:24 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: 1987..... At 12:40 PM 8/22/01 -0700, Eb wrote: >This reminds me: I was musing about the most overrated artists of all-time >the other night, though my own candidates wouldn't surprise anyone who has >been reading my posts for awhile. Anyone else wanna offer their nominees? >...Cher... Is Cher really rated they highly by a lot of people? Or did I miss something? Maybe I just ignore Cher articles in general. I'm sure she has a certain psycho-fanbase, but just about anybody could fall into this category based on that. N'Sync is obviously overrated, if even only by 12 million 13 year old girls. Do some reviewers or fellow musicians have some sort of love affair with her that I don't know about? Then again, even labeling her as a "musician" or an "artist" could be an example of overrating. Anyhow... 1987... the year also brought us "Strangeways Here We Come" and the "Just Say Yes" Sire compliation, fer christsakes. And, man, "Secrets of the Beehive." Oh, that reminds me - two acts that I expected to see on Eb's list and didn't: The Smiths and U2. Not that I would in any way agree with their inclusion (or the inclusion of some of the other people on it). ;) Jason ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:46:36 -0700 From: "Kenneth Johnson" Subject: Re: 1987..... diving into the token music-geek-wank fest for lordonlyknowswhatreason: what does qualify as overrated anyway? To my mind, pop/commercial alt-rock including REM and U2 (although with either, one may argue they once made music that mattered) that is lauded by the industry yet designed or dumbed down so as to sell the most units possible seems to fit. I guess the best definition should extend to anything that a whole buttload of people say is so awesome and yet as far as the discerning mind can tell does not show even a spark of originality. Is it just not living up to marketing or hype? Could a million Duran Duran fans have been wrong? Any definition for overrated confirms and also negates most bands/musicians on his Eb-ness' list. I won't pointlessly defend any of the exceptions I might take except this one: How can one call a folk rock artist as diverse and interesting and inspiring as Ani DiFranco, who receives little to no mass media attention, overrated? my rank in the music geekdom has slipped since I decided to get a life and focus only my work that matters and listen only to music that moves me not the hype machine. as you were ~Kenneth ******* "What have we achieved in mowing down mountain ranges, harnessing the energy of mighty rivers, or moving whole populations about like chess pieces, if we ourselves remain the same restless, miserable, frustrated creatures we were before? To call such activity progress is utter delusion." -- Henry Miller ********* _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:02:31 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: 1987..... Edward: >I agree in general terms with most of what you've said (hows that for >mealy-mouthing?), but what about... Radiohead's Amnesiac, Mogwai's Rock >Action, PJ Harvey's Stories From the City...? The P J Harvey disc came out in 2000. I *really* would like to hear more Mogwai. At this point, I'm barely acquainted with them, beyond knowing they're Scottish, instrumental and a fave of the post-shoegaze set. (Uhh...right?) So hard to find Matador releases secondhand, and I don't often bite for "exploratory" albums at full retail prices. I suspect I'd like Mogwai if I heard them. Jason: >Is Cher really rated they highly by a lot of people? Well, she has been on top of the entertainment world for 35 years, despite being blissfully free of artistic taste or the fundamental ability to sing on pitch. I'd say that's a bit screwy. :) >Oh, that reminds me - two acts that I expected to see on Eb's list and >didn't: The Smiths and U2. I wouldn't put U2 on there. They're very good at what they do -- it's just not for me. I resisted listing the Smiths (and several other acts...Joy Division...), purely because I don't feel like I've dug deep enough into the group's catalog to have a thorough opinion. But yes, the Smiths are definitely up there. ;) Capuchin managed to steer the topic into another of his tedious, anti-corporate rants: >Well, the media consolidation of the past fifteen years is unsurpassed >probably in any industry over any similar period of time ever. It's quite >obvious why diversity and artistry are on the decline. The issue is hardly that simple. >I think this are almost so absurd as to be untennable: >Cake >Echo & the Bunnymen >Morphine >Social Distortion >the Dead Kennedys I can't reply unless you speak English, pleeze. If you're saying those artists are clearly unassailable, I say...phooey. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:08:27 -0500 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Re: 1987..... > Anyhow... 1987... Perhaps Document above all else, but... Robbie Robertson solo... Rush... Joe Satriani surfing... Man, I smoked a lot of weed that year... The Smiths winding down... "Exit" was the best song on "Joshua Tree", by a straight mile... Bonnie Raitt's best album... Sting... trying to escape Belinda "Heaven is a Place on Earth" Carlisle... The Dead come back, underrated :-p as ever... In My Tribe, certainly... Lot of good shows in Chicago that year, that's for sure. Still have to vote '81 for best releases, but we've been through that already. And Eb's right on about '01 vs the past, BLECH. Michael "It was raining bananas, like a slow divorce" newly discovered lyrics to 'Baboon Man' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:09:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: 1987..... On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Kenneth Johnson wrote: > How can one call a folk rock artist as diverse and interesting and > inspiring as Ani DiFranco, who receives little to no mass media > attention, overrated? 'Diverse': I think most of Ani's attempts to broaden her sonic palette are horrible failures. Those horns on Little Plastic Castle! That audio sludge on Dilate! Yuck. I don't see anything more inspiring about attempts to hop on a bandwagon just because the bandwagon doesn't actually exist. As for getting little media attention, she was practically the poster child for indie music at one point. I won't say she didn't deserve that attention, but it was there -- and seriously distorted mainstream reporting on independent music, since Righteous Babe works so differently from other indies. Which brings up the other reason she's overrated: she has amazing word-of-mouth. People who like Ani can't stop talking about how good she is. I mean, good for her; everyone with an ounce of talent should have such dedicated fans... but that does contribute to her being highly-rated, which puts her halfway to being overrated (I said as much as I'm going to about the other half above). And yet, I heard her first two albums long after my folky-female-songwriter phase was basically over, and still loved them. a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:13:59 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: 1987..... >1987 was a great year, yes. Lalala, the year I graduated from HIGH SCHOOL! Shame I was in bumfuck Missouri, otherwise maybe some of this coolness would have crossed my radar at the time. But hell, I do recall that as the year that John Cougar released "Lonesome Jubilee"! AWESOME. Now let's all have a wine cooler, eh? In the "Eb You Suck Department": >This reminds me: I was musing about the most overrated artists of all-time >the other night, though my own candidates wouldn't surprise anyone who has >been reading my posts for awhile. Anyone else wanna offer their nominees? >In addition to some obvious Ebpicks like Bauhaus, Radiohead and the Dead, I >scribbled down the Red Hot Chili Peppers, the aforementioned Jane's >Addiction, Santana, Alice in Chains, Cher, Henry Rollins, Tina Turner, Meat >Loaf, Aaron Neville, the Dave Matthews Band, Cake, Echo & the Bunnymen, the >Verve, Ani DiFranco, Morphine, Happy Mondays, Korn, Social Distortion, the >Stone Roses, Barenaked Ladies, Bill Nelson, the Dead Kennedys, No Doubt, >Wilco, White Zombie, the Cult, the Dream Syndicate, Galaxie 500.... Oh Eb! Galaxie 500??? That's DEAN, you dick! And Echo & The Bunnymen?? Come on! They defined the era! (er, well, when I wasn't rockin out to "R.O.C.K. in the USA") And MORPHINE definitely does not belong on this list and you well know it. As far as knockin CHER goes, I will just let it pass this time. She's a misunderstood genius and simple minds like you will never see it. lj - -- - -------------- - LJ Lindhurst White Rabbit Graphic Design http://www.w-rabbit.com NYC ljl@w-rabbit.com - -------------- - "Does every story have to have a moral? What am I, Mother Goose?" --The Nanny ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:18:10 -0400 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: 1987..... yeah, and lay off radiohead.. even if they get more press than strictly is their due, they have put out some of the most interesting widely-available music over the last 4 years ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. 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