From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #308 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, August 18 2001 Volume 10 : Number 308 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Feelm [JH3 ] Re: Feelm [Tom Clark ] Re: Feelm ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: [Fwd: who has the worst eyesight on the list?] [Eleanore Adams ] who has the *weirdest* eyesight on the list? [grutness@surf4nix.com (Jame] Christian music (slight return) [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] fixing the eyes or fixing healthy tissue [jill sunderlin ] Re: Feelm ["lucifersam" ] robyn on radio 2 ["Chris Browning" ] Re: Too old to blindly rock n roll ["victorian squid" Subject: Re: Feelm > I just don't feel any obligation to say "Excuse me" myself > (*unless* the other party actually has to move to let me > by), nor do I expect this from others. Am I a sociopath? When I'm walking in front of others, I usually just flash them. That way *they're* the ones who have to say "excuse me"! Of course, this doesn't solve your problem... My guess is that people say "excuse me" because you're looking at the videos too intently. If you look up and let your eyes wander a bit just before they actually pass you, in such a way that they notice you doing it, you'll probably get less of that sort of thing. And, of course, you'll be a much happier person in general. Finally, I'd have to say no, you're not a sociopath! You probably just haven't read enough Jean Paul Sartre. John "who has?" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:26:54 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Feelm on 8/17/01 2:05 PM, Eb at ElBroome@earthlink.net wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1164745392 Thanks for ending this horrific week with a supreme downer. ugh. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:34:11 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Feelm >tclark wrote > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1164745392 > >Thanks for ending this horrific week with a supreme downer. > > >ugh. Actually I find this to be comedy, first that someone would make it and second that people are bidding on it! People are so tacky that it's a riot. Or maybe you have to have a deer run into the front of your car, then they start to resemble pigeons or cockroaches. Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:34:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: [Fwd: who has the worst eyesight on the list?] Yes - the altitude made his eyes go bad, I read that book too. The pressure is not good. But he was in the death zone anyway. That was the guy who they left for dead, but stumbled back into camp. He lost his noze and toes to frostbite. Yuck!!! His eyes recovered though! There is no problems with normal stuff like sneezing. I have sneezed a bunch right after surgery - no problemo! But you do have to go to a good reputable doctor who can "paint" the cornea back intot he correct place. With the surgery I had they dont totally remove the cornea, they cut a semi circle and peel it back, so it is never completly detatched, which also means that their is only a semi circle incision to heal too. Less likey to slide since it is never completely detatched. The edges naturally adhire back on themselves, like a little liquid suction cup. I was recovered and back to work in 24 hours. I drove a car with no glasses in 12 hours after the surgery. (I had never driven w/o glasses ever!) eleanore - --- melissa wrote: > Wasn't there something in "Into Thin Air' about one > of the climbers having > trouble with their eyes because of the altitude and > having had lasic surgery? > My question for my friend Kim post surgery was what > if you sneeze and how do > those edges stick back together. > > Mel > > Ken Weingold said: > > > On Fri, Aug 17, 2001, Eleanore Adams wrote: > > > I cant really foresee, now healed, what could > happen. I guess since > > > the cornea was peeled back, if I ever wanted to > do deep see scuba or > > > go into outer space the healed scar could rip > open with the > > > pressure??? I dont know ..... I dont plan to do > either > > > activity.....;-) > > > > Should I be worried about my corneas detaching and > sticking onto my > > helmet visor when quickly slowing from 120 to 40 > on a race track? ;-) > > > > > > -Ken > > > > > > -- Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:59:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Natalie Jane Jacobs Subject: the eyes have it Wow, I'm impressed by Carole's blindness - I thought I had *terrible* eyesight, but I'm merely -6 in the right eye and -6.75 in the left. The left eye used to be -6.25, but worsened a little due to lingering strabismus and Grave's Disease (my thyroid problem). Grave's can cause bulgy eyes a la Marty Feldman - thank god I escaped that fate. When I am tired, you might notice my left eye tilting up - which is the lingering strabismus. I'm sure I've bored y'all before with accounts of my strabismus surgeries... I thought about getting that laser surgery, and talked to my ophthalmologist about it, but he recommended waiting a few years to see how other people who have had the surgery turn out, since the procedure is still so new. Unlike Eleanore, I *do* care about side effects - that's my eyesight you're talking about! Anyway, I honestly don't think I could deal with another surgery. The last time I had one, I got so freaked out that they heavily sedated me, whereupon I started giggling and telling the nurse to cover me with more blankets (it was very cold) because "my party hats are showing." My sister, who had accompanied me, was mortified. gnat "ophthalmologist is hard to say and spell" the gnatster - -- Natalie Jane Jacobs gnat@bitmine.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 11:46:10 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: who has the *weirdest* eyesight on the list? >> 12 (-12). Since my eyes work independently of one another (and somehow, I >> don't go around looking like Marty Feldman), those "Magic Eye" books >> *never* worked for me. > >me either, Carole. maybe b/c my right eye is a little more nearsighted? >i don't wear glasses though (yet), maybe the other one is picking up the >slack. Ironically, that's the one that LOOKS messed up - it has coloboma >(part of the iris is missing.) http://www.rnib.org.uk/info/coloboma.htm well I can do them when I want to but only then. I am a myopic variable alternating exotrope capable of voluntary stereopsis. Apparently that's pretty rare. Rare enough that I get asked to take part in all sorts of weird vision experiments down at the "black lab" (woof!) Myopic (but only slightly) - 6/20 vision in one eye, 6/24 in the other, averaging out to 6/22... that's 20/72 for you non-metric folks. Can't recall how many diopters that is, but I think it's only about -4. Oh, and on that subject... >> so some people with -12 dont have enought tissue to >> go to 20/20. > >Is that where the expression actually comes from? Could sbd. please explain >what exactly this means? 20/20 means that you can see at 20 feet what a 'normally sighted person' can see at 20 feet. The metric standard is 6/6. Exotrope - I have a squint in which one of my eyes moves outwards - "a lazy eye". In my rare case it's alternating. Either eye can move out, and I can choose which one it is. What's more, it's not a fixed feature - much of the time my eyes are fused like those of a normally sighted person, but if I'm tired an eye wanders. More importantly, I can cause either eye to wander out at will. A big advantage of that is that I can choose which eye to rest when I'm working on close work - although normally my right eye is my dominant eye, I can switch to using my left without having to close the other one. I also have the unnerving ability to look in the rear-view mirror while driving without taking my (other) eye off the road in front (although this even unnerves me a little, so I don't tend to do that)! The rare part of is that although all the above occurs, when my eyes are fused onto one object I am capable of stereopsis. That is, I can judge the distance by stanbdard binocular cues of disparity (the ability that causes objects to 'stand out' in magic eye books). No, I don't look like Marty Feldman, and my eyes aren't as mobile as a chameleon's! Strangely, on the times I wear contact lenses, the exotropia just about disappears. >Someone mentioned seeing a pic of Robyn in reading glasses. Im not sure why >but Im under the impression that he's worn contacts for a long time. well there ya go. Contacts plus sweat from stage lights = Blinky blinky blinky... James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 15:10:53 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Christian music (slight return) A question was asked about a christian band a couple of weeks ago - "Jars of Clay: where did they get their name?" I don't think anyone answered it. I've just come back from a funeral, and one of the readings was from Corinthians II Chapter 4, which talked of the glory of God being represented through Jesus as being analogous to jars of clay filled with treasure. I suspect that this is where the name came from James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 01:33:44 -0400 From: jill sunderlin Subject: fixing the eyes or fixing healthy tissue My eyes used to be astoundingly out there -- a -11 and 12 or something. Opthamologists used to say " You have extremely poor eyesite!" Like *I* didn't know that. It used to be really annoying - -- like I really wanted to have eyeballs that were extremely olongated, and hence, bad vision. Two years ago I had to have the lenses in my eyes replaced because of cataracts (a byproduct of chemo ten years ago at age 31). WOW! All of a sudden -- I could really see for the first time in my life without glasses or contacts. I have glasses for slight reading correction, but that's it -- I can actually see to read and drive without glasses. What I keep thinking about it that this type of eye surgery is only available in the U.S. to people who have " damaged" eye tissue. Even with my extreme near-sightedness -- I never would have been able to have this surgery if I hadn't had the cataracts develop. And the amount of difference the surgery has made in my life is pretty astounding. As far as the US medical community is concerned -- laser surgery on the eye to correct vision is ok, because it's manipulating the tissue. But, lens replacement which has the same results, though often much better, is taboo except for cataract patients, because it involves removing healthy tissue and replacing it with something artificial. I'm just REALLY glad I got cataracts -- the eyes I got out of it are just great. I wish this surgery were available to others with the lousy eyesight I used to have. jill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 00:45:32 -0700 From: "Karen Reichstein" Subject: robyn and contacts Kay wrote: >Someone mentioned seeing a pic of Robyn in reading glasses. Im not sure why >but Im under the impression that he's worn contacts for a long time. As a fellow contacts wearer who hates that late-night "godammit my contacts are drying out and adhering to my eyeballs" feeling, maybe *that's* why Robyn blinks so much. A theory, anyway. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 09:43:13 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Feelm I cant believe how sick some people are ....sheesh... > >tclark wrote > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1164745392 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 13:46:47 +0100 From: "Chris Browning" Subject: robyn on radio 2 robyn's appearance on mark lamarr's radio 2 programme, scheduled for a few months back but cancelled at the last minute, has just been and gone. and jolly good it was as well. he chatted about a few songs - "the yip song", "i wanna be an angelpoise lamp" and new song, which he also performed "a man's gotta know his limitations briggs" - and discussed comedy in music, bo diddley and bob dylan. i managed to tape the forty five or so minutes with him chatting to lamarr and mark steele, so if anybody wants a copy, feel free to ask cheers! chris browning ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 19:22:26 -0700 From: "victorian squid" Subject: Re: Too old to blindly rock n roll On Fri, 17 Aug 2001 21:03:55 Rue'd Beccia wrote: >Someone mentioned seeing a pic of Robyn in reading glasses. I've -seen- him wearing them. Those who attended last summer's shows in SF (I don't remember which show this was, but I think it was the smaller one) can testify that at one of them, not only was he wearing reading glasses, he was also wearing sunglasses on top of his head like a headband at the same time. >differently--such as saying how good Jagger and Richards would >be doing acoustic blues in a club(which I agree with.) I do agree that the Stones have been embarassing for quite awhile. Acoustic blues for Jagger and Richards? Maybe. But just as I don't buy that old truism that every woman over 40 needs to get a bob or shorter, I don't agree that everyone over 30 might as well give up any silly notions about being edgy. Have you seen "Hedwig and The Angry Inch"? ;) loveonya, susan P.S. Headsup for Bowie fans who have satellite- BBC America is running a Bowie weekend with "Bowie at The Beeb" and "The Man Who Fell To Earth" showing all this afternoon and tonight. Tomorrow they will be showing "Cracked Actor", a documentary about the 1974 US Tour, which I for one am really excited to see as I don't think it's ever been shown in the US before. Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #308 ********************************