From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #307 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, August 17 2001 Volume 10 : Number 307 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Helen Keller itis [strange little woj ] Re: Helen Keller itis ["Mike Wells" ] synth/seq. for mac ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] morris tepper ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: Helen Keller itis ["Maximilian Lang" ] more eye stuff [Natalie Jane Jacobs ] Yo ["lucifersam" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V10 #306 [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] who has the worst eyesight on the list? [Carole Reichstein ] Re: who has the worst eyesight on the list? [John Barrington Jones ] don't know if this has been noted.... [bayard ] [Fwd: who has the worst eyesight on the list?] [Eleanore Adams ] Too old to blindly rock n roll ["Rue'd Beccia" ] Re: Feelm ["Sweet & Tender Hooligan" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:16:28 -0400 From: strange little woj Subject: Re: Helen Keller itis when we last left our heroes, Rude Becky of Goldstrum exclaimed: >Is there a word for the state where you see something quite clearly in front >of you yet nevertheless you're brain does not register it as such till, oh, >10 useless minutes later. preoccupied. +w ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:24:41 -0500 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Re: Helen Keller itis Libertarian? Michael > >Is there a word for the state where you see something quite clearly in front > >of you yet nevertheless you're brain does not register it as such till, oh, > >10 useless minutes later. > > preoccupied. > > +w ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:39:06 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: synth/seq. for mac I'd like to do some messing around with synthesizing and composing on the Mac. I don't know a whole lot about it and don't have very high standards, but I'd like a little more latitude than canned orchestral sounds and "guitar" noises. I've used programs that are very staff-and-clef oriented and programs that are very smoky-club-techno-DJ oriented, and if available I think I'd like something in the middle of those extremes. Does anyone have any recommendations for me? I have an inexpensive MIDI keyboard but its sound manipulation stuff is all in software, not on the keyboard itself. Thanks, Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:46:49 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: morris tepper I'm sure someone has mentioned this, but someone named "Moris [sic] Tepper" is opening for PJ Harvey at the Warfield in September. I wish I could get tickets. Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:58:43 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Helen Keller itis >Kay's idiot twin w >Is there a word for the state where you see something quite clearly in >front >of you yet nevertheless you're brain does not register it as such till, oh, >10 useless minutes later. >At which point you laugh, cry and wonder how you manage to walk and chew >gum >at the same time. Spacing out. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:22:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Natalie Jane Jacobs Subject: more eye stuff >It is also for this reason that you can induce >really strong phosphenes by rubbing your eyes. I used to do this for fun when I was a kid. For some reason, the phosphene patterns always seemed to follow the same sequence. It started out with the usual sparks/stars patterns and ended - much to my delight - with a large yellow ring, like a pineapple ring, which was still visible when I opened my eyes. I've never tried rubbing my eyes for that long as an adult, so I don't know if the same sequence would occur. gnat "I kinda miss that floating pineapple ring" the gnatster - -- Natalie Jane Jacobs gnat@bitmine.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:07:41 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Yo Just thought I'd say hello, as new bloke on the block. Been into stuff Hitchcockian for less than 2 years. A bit of a Syd Head (non shock) and former punk rocker from the school of '77. Listening thangs these days includes :Neu!, Ramones, Nick Drake, Freak Beat, Ash Ra Temple, Bowie (still), Third Ear band and my gorgeous 12 year old daughter waxing lyrical about Eminem (who I consider to be a poet). Must say that I have to differ with the gentleman who was pissed off with Nuggets 2...I think it's fantastic! May I suggest you look out for stuff by Steve Took, ex Tyranasaurus Rex. He didn't release a lot post the Stoke Newington midget, but what did get out had a lot of passion and hurt. check it out. Lastly...Off to 'Pendragon' at the Fridge in Brixton this saturday, alnight techno Psychedlia, shoud get home (sunny east London) by 8am sunday. Just shows that a 42 year old who should know better still trys to burn the flame! Nice to meet ya all...Stay Free... Ash Ra Rotten..;0) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:02:55 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V10 #306 >All these visual questions brings a pathetic query to mind: > >Is there a word for the state where you see something quite clearly in front >of you yet nevertheless you're brain does not register it as such till, oh, >10 useless minutes later. >At which point you laugh, cry and wonder how you manage to walk and chew gum >at the same time. yup. It's referred to as "The d'oh factor" :) Seriously, I don't know of one. I suppose you could call it a temporary cognitive blockage (requiring you to use some mental floss, perhaps). It also sounds similar in a way to the state of jamais vu, which I mentioned a week or so back. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:47:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Carole Reichstein Subject: who has the worst eyesight on the list? I like all this discussion about eyeballs. Eleanor posted that her -11 eyesight was restored by laser surgery. Congrats! I have the dubious honor of having the worst eyesight of anyone in the Reichstein family (or the maternal "Garcia" side of the family, for that matter). My left eye is negative 10.50 (-10.50), and my right is negative 12 (-12). Since my eyes work independently of one another (and somehow, I don't go around looking like Marty Feldman), those "Magic Eye" books *never* worked for me. Does anyone have worse eyesight than me? Just curious. Carole ps: I recently saw a picture of Robyn with reading glasses on. Oh, time marches on for all of us. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:07:54 -0400 From: /dev/woj Subject: Re: who has the worst eyesight on the list? when we last left our heroes, Carole Reichstein (carole@technical.powells.com) exclaimed: >I like all this discussion about eyeballs. yeah, it's actually been kind of interesting. >Does anyone have worse eyesight than me? Just curious. i don't. i'm in the -7 to -8 neighborhood. i've been wearing rigid contact lenses since seventh grade (1981?) so i guess it could have been worse than it is now. or, at least, that's what my eye doctor at the time told me rigid lenses would do. my current one says it's not true. either way, i know my eyesight stopped degrading as fast as it had been after i got contacts. just got a new pair and i'm still in the i-can-see-again! phase. after letting the old prescription go for a couple extra years, it was time though. i have to say, it is kind of nice to be able to see the tops of trees as branches and leaves instead of a green blob. woj ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:42:02 -0700 (PDT) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: who has the worst eyesight on the list? I'm sure you're all dying to know that I have a macular hole in my right eye. =jbj= On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, /dev/woj wrote: > when we last left our heroes, Carole Reichstein (carole@technical.powells.com) exclaimed: > > >I like all this discussion about eyeballs. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 14:14:42 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: you gotta... feed the fish... nuff said. James ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:00:43 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: who has the worst eyesight on the list? On Thu, Aug 16, 2001, Carole Reichstein wrote: > I like all this discussion about eyeballs. Eleanor posted that her -11 > eyesight was restored by laser surgery. Congrats! > > I have the dubious honor of having the worst eyesight of anyone in the > Reichstein family (or the maternal "Garcia" side of the family, for that > matter). My left eye is negative 10.50 (-10.50), and my right is negative > 12 (-12). Since my eyes work independently of one another (and somehow, I > don't go around looking like Marty Feldman), those "Magic Eye" books > *never* worked for me. > > Does anyone have worse eyesight than me? Just curious. You win. I have something like -6 or -7. I would kill for LASIK, but can't afford it right now. I did recently get extended-wear lenses. I can wear them for a week without taking them out. It is SO liberating! - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:01:40 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: who has the worst eyesight on the list? On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Ken Weingold wrote: > You win. I have something like -6 or -7. I would kill for LASIK, but > can't afford it right now. I did recently get extended-wear lenses. > I can wear them for a week without taking them out. It is SO > liberating! My stepdaughter recently had the laser treatment and is delighted. But she was only -5 or so - I don't know how well it would work with the ultra shortsighted feg community. - - Mike Godwin PS Guess who paid? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 14:29:24 +0000 From: "Rue'd Beccia" Subject: Like, ya had to be there man, ya dig? Opinionated Link which quotes Ellen Willis:-), hits every hot button -but- the SBs and yes, revives the great Beach Boys Debacle. http://www.observer.co.uk/review/story/0,6903,535352,00.html Right on, man Kay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:20:02 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: Re: who has the worst eyesight on the list? > 12 (-12). Since my eyes work independently of one another (and somehow, I > don't go around looking like Marty Feldman), those "Magic Eye" books > *never* worked for me. me either, Carole. maybe b/c my right eye is a little more nearsighted? i don't wear glasses though (yet), maybe the other one is picking up the slack. Ironically, that's the one that LOOKS messed up - it has coloboma (part of the iris is missing.) http://www.rnib.org.uk/info/coloboma.htm I even got a mention on the soft boys site - check it out: http://underwatermoonlight.com/history.html (scroll to the bottom, and look under the entry for The Asking Tree.) It's funny - some people who've known me for years have never noticed it - and an opthamologist i met on the street one time noticed (and identified) it right away. Everything depends on your point of view, i guess.... Those of you who have met me - did YOU notice it? =b ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:26:17 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: don't know if this has been noted.... also from http://underwatermoonlight.com/history.html "Woj's site is so complete and up-to-date that the Soft Boys themselves consulted it to see where they were playing next." you go boy! =b ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:15:45 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: [Fwd: who has the worst eyesight on the list?] Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:14:58 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: who has the worst eyesight on the list? To: Michael R Godwin Reply-to: eleanore@tdl.com Message-id: <3B7D34F2.F6516B64@tdl.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 (Macintosh; U; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type=54455854; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en,pdf X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 References: They, I think, with the LASIK, will work on you up to -12. Mayby it is -15, but I think it is -12. It may depend on the doctor, what he is willing to do, and your own eyes, how muchtissue he can work with. It depends on how much cornial tissue you have, so some people with -12 dont have enought tissue to go to 20/20. I was lucky and had just enought tissue. When your sight is that bad, you dont test on the charts, I.e. mine was guessed to be 20/1800, and they dont make 1800 meter charts. So they did 2 surgeries, the first to get me on a chart and the second, now charted to fine tune the sight. After the first surgery I tested at -3, 20/50. Then I waited 3 months to make sure the sight stabilized and the measurments accurate, and then had a second LASIK surgery, and got my 20/20 vision. if your eyes are not so bad, it should only take 1 surgery. I have no regrets - I am loving it!!!! But it was expensive (I went to a dotctor who did a bunch of Raiders and the keyboardest of the Doors, etc...I figured that it was better to spend more money and make sure i got someone who hasnt been sued) (it is actually very safe, but I was very scared) (most clinics are reputable) So it cost me a total of about $4000. But I thought it was totally worth it! eleanore Michael R Godwin wrote: > On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Ken Weingold wrote: > > You win. I have something like -6 or -7. I would kill for LASIK, but > > can't afford it right now. I did recently get extended-wear lenses. > > I can wear them for a week without taking them out. It is SO > > liberating! > > My stepdaughter recently had the laser treatment and is delighted. But she > was only -5 or so - I don't know how well it would work with the ultra > shortsighted feg community. > > - Mike Godwin > > PS Guess who paid? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:42:43 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: who has the worst eyesight on the list? On Fri, Aug 17, 2001, Michael R Godwin wrote: > My stepdaughter recently had the laser treatment and is delighted. But she > was only -5 or so - I don't know how well it would work with the ultra > shortsighted feg community. > > > - Mike Godwin > > PS Guess who paid? Dad! Where have you been?!? When can I go in for LASIK?!? - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 09:19:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Like, ya had to be there man, ya dig? On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Rue'd Beccia wrote: > Opinionated Link which quotes Ellen Willis:-), hits every hot button > -but- the SBs and yes, revives the great Beach Boys Debacle. > > http://www.observer.co.uk/review/story/0,6903,535352,00.html > > Right on, man This guy's the worst. What a stupid, arrogant, sex-obsessed, star-addled lump, this fellow is! "Please don't ruin my perfect, sexy image created by the media of my youth! Old can't be SEXY... Old can't be INTERESTING or RADICAL. Look at ME! I'm old, but nobody finds ME sexy or interesting or radical." Here's the quote that sums up the whole article for me: "Were we always so easily lied to by our rock stars?" Yes, you idiot. That's what STARS do. Sheesh. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:15:56 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: [Fwd: who has the worst eyesight on the list?] - --On Friday, August 17, 2001 08:15:45 -0700 Eleanore Adams wrote: > so some people with -12 dont have enought tissue to > go to 20/20. Is that where the expression actually comes from? Could sbd. please explain what exactly this means? AFAIK they still don't do this kind of surgery on a regular basis is Germany... Cheers, Sebastian - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 09:31:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: who has the worst eyesight on the list? On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, bayard wrote: > Ironically, that's the one that LOOKS messed up - it has coloboma > (part of the iris is missing.) > http://www.rnib.org.uk/info/coloboma.htm How lazy of you, taking the top site off google! I'm kidding. > I even got a mention on the soft boys site - check it out: > http://underwatermoonlight.com/history.html > (scroll to the bottom, and look under the entry for The Asking Tree.) > > It's funny - some people who've known me for years have never noticed it - > and an opthamologist i met on the street one time noticed (and > identified) it right away. Everything depends on your point of view, i > guess.... > > Those of you who have met me - did YOU notice it? I noticed and, I believe, asked about it. And while this isn't Bayard, it's pretty close: The cool thing about this girl, though, is that BOTH of her eyes look like this... fun. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:28:13 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Like, ya had to be there man, ya dig? Kay linked: > http://www.observer.co.uk/review/story/0,6903,535352,00.html Old farts like this have no business writing about what is and isn't good for rock and roll. Screw him. +brian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:30:37 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Like, ya had to be there man, ya dig? I read this article on sunday. Gotta say I agree with the man. The Rolling Stones are an embarrasment, they should give it up and do some gardening. Pathetic springs to mind. ;0) > Kay linked: > > > http://www.observer.co.uk/review/story/0,6903,535352,00.html > > Old farts like this have no business writing about what is and isn't > good for rock and roll. Screw him. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:20:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: [Fwd: who has the worst eyesight on the list?] On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > so some people with -12 dont have enought tissue to > > go to 20/20. > > Is that where the expression actually comes from? Could sbd. please explain > what exactly this means? It's actual distance / apparent distance. The idea is that at 20 feet, normal eyes will view a thing at a particular crispness and clarity. Someone with 20/50 sees objects at twenty feet with the clarity and crispness of a normally sighted person's view at fifty feet. > AFAIK they still don't do this kind of surgery on a regular basis is > Germany... That's kind of surprising... I seem to recall reading that LASIK was much bigger in Europe... at least when they first started trials. I've also heard nasty things about long-term side-effects. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:32:50 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: [Fwd: who has the worst eyesight on the list?] On Fri, Aug 17, 2001, Capuchin wrote: > > I've also heard nasty things about long-term side-effects. Can you explain? The only problem I have heard is that you may need to either do it again many years down the road, or get glasses. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:48:17 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: [Fwd: who has the worst eyesight on the list?] Well, I had the surgery, and I am not too concerned with side effects. One of my best friends had eye surgery 9 years ago before they did it with the laser, when they reduced the cornea with a scalpel, and so far, he has had no side effects, and was one of my friends who nagged me for years to correct my vision, and now with the laser, it is not as evasive or dangerous than when they did it with the scalpel. When they did it with a scalpel it was possible that the scar tissue may disrupt your night vision, but with lasers, there is not that thick scar tissue. Now you can never tell with any medicine what the long term effects are, but 9 years and no problems was ok by me. Yes, your vision may deteriourat, as it would with old age anyway, but that really does not concern the surgery. They don't know if there will be future effects, but when I went over the procedure and what they are doing, it is basically burning off part of the corneal tissue to srink it so it refracts light correctly. I cant really foresee, now healed, what could happen. I guess since the cornea was peeled back, if I ever wanted to do deep see scuba or go into outer space the healed scar could rip open with the pressure??? I dont know ..... I dont plan to do either activity.....;-) eleanore Ken Weingold wrote: > On Fri, Aug 17, 2001, Capuchin wrote: > > > > I've also heard nasty things about long-term side-effects. > > Can you explain? The only problem I have heard is that you may need > to either do it again many years down the road, or get glasses. > > -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:57:53 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: [Fwd: who has the worst eyesight on the list?] On Fri, Aug 17, 2001, Eleanore Adams wrote: > I cant really foresee, now healed, what could happen. I guess since > the cornea was peeled back, if I ever wanted to do deep see scuba or > go into outer space the healed scar could rip open with the > pressure??? I dont know ..... I dont plan to do either > activity.....;-) Should I be worried about my corneas detaching and sticking onto my helmet visor when quickly slowing from 120 to 40 on a race track? ;-) - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:05:04 -0000 From: melissa Subject: Re: [Fwd: who has the worst eyesight on the list?] Wasn't there something in "Into Thin Air' about one of the climbers having trouble with their eyes because of the altitude and having had lasic surgery? My question for my friend Kim post surgery was what if you sneeze and how do those edges stick back together. Mel Ken Weingold said: > On Fri, Aug 17, 2001, Eleanore Adams wrote: > > I cant really foresee, now healed, what could happen. I guess since > > the cornea was peeled back, if I ever wanted to do deep see scuba or > > go into outer space the healed scar could rip open with the > > pressure??? I dont know ..... I dont plan to do either > > activity.....;-) > > Should I be worried about my corneas detaching and sticking onto my > helmet visor when quickly slowing from 120 to 40 on a race track? ;-) > > > -Ken > - -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 21:03:55 +0000 From: "Rue'd Beccia" Subject: Too old to blindly rock n roll Eyes-- I was always farsighted(when sailing was usally the first to sight a buoy, etc)but by my late 30s needed glasses as it progressed. I am now in progressive bifocals that squeeze your vision into various smallish sectors. Trifocals are in my future. I think the surgery is only good for near-sightedness. Theres also a difference tween sight and seeing. Ive always had a perceptual diffuculty labeling what I see as distinct. I call this the mayo syndrome, as when I call my daughter to find the mayo which I know is in the fridge. She looks in, takes it off the shelf, hands it to me and says "its right here, Mom" with an "oh parents" look on her face. Someone mentioned seeing a pic of Robyn in reading glasses. Im not sure why but Im under the impression that he's worn contacts for a long time. Jeme: >This guy's the worst. What a stupid, arrogant, sex-obsessed, >star-addled >lump, this fellow is! "Please don't ruin my perfect, sexy >image created by >the media of my youth! Old can't be SEXY... Old >can't be INTERESTING or >RADICAL. Look at ME! I'm old, but nobody >finds ME sexy or interesting >or radical." Here's the quote that sums up the whole article for me: "Were we always so easily lied to by our rock stars?" I dont think he said that old can't be sexual, I think what he -implied- was that if old is going to be sexual then its probobly going to do it abit differently--such as saying how good Jagger and Richards would be doing acoustic blues in a club(which I agree with.) One would like to think that people are capable of learning things with the passing decades. Mabel Mercer, who taught Frank Sinatra(and others) phrasing was thought to get better as she aged and her voice faded because the feeling she put into the songs grew. He did take some low blows(he certainly did not need to be so vicious about Gabriel, whom I will always forgive all because of the early work ) but he's right (IMO) that tetasterone-fueled, stadium cock rock gets abit silly when the guys a granddad. Yes, hes still got a cock and perhaps a very nice one at that, but it probobly dosnt work quite the same as it did when he was 18 , thank God (it may work better) so does he really want to sing about it in exactly the same way? I used to wear my hair to my waist. My hair would still look good like that. I, however, would look stupid. I accept this reality and keep my hair below my collarbone. As Ive gotten older Ive gotten to hate stadium shows more and more. Being josteled around just to look at ants on a stage while listening to bloated distorted sound has lost its appeal. So I liked that the article talked about rockers from my youth finding ways to age gracefully. The Soft Boys, Lou Reed, Richard Thompson, David Bromberg, the Davies Broths solo, all play smaller places that have more intimacy. Coincidently, their music is also complex enough to deepen with time. And new lyrics take into account that they've actually learned some stuff in the last few decades. I like that. Oh and isnt the answer to the guys question --probobly yes? Kay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 14:05:45 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Feelm Finally saw "O Brother, Where Art Thou?" last night. I liked it a lot...I wonder what Coenfan Eddie's problem was with it? I think my favorite part was Clooney's rhythmic conversation with his daughters, where they kept repeating "He's bona fide! He's a suitor!" That gave me giggle fits. "Bona fide" is the best movie catchphrase I've heard in awhile. ;) I need to websearch or check out a bookstore though, and remind myself of the plot of The Odyssey. I'm sure I missed some of the parallels, beyond obvious stuff like the sirens, blind prophet and giant cyclops.... Speaking of videos, I'll throw out a peripheral "ethical" question. I'm always puzzled in video stores, because when I'm standing in an aisle scanning titles, almost anyone who walks between me and the shelf sheepishly says "Excuse me" -- even though the person was only a split-second obstacle and in no way "invaded my personal space" (since I'm standing a good four feet away from the shelf). Is this "Excuse me" really necessary? I mean, if they're sorry for breaking up my view of the videos for a moment, I lose even *more* "moments" if I have to look up, meet their eyes and give them a reassuring "It's OK" smile.... I just don't feel any obligation to say "Excuse me" myself (*unless* the other party actually has to move to let me by), nor do I expect this from others. Am I a sociopath? (That question should get some interesting answers. ;)) Eb http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1164745392 http://home.earthlink.net/~elbroome/np.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:01:22 -0500 From: "Sweet & Tender Hooligan" Subject: Re: Feelm > Speaking of videos, I'll throw out a peripheral "ethical" question. I'm > always puzzled in video stores, because when I'm standing in an aisle > scanning titles, almost anyone who walks between me and the shelf > sheepishly says "Excuse me" -- even though the person was only a > split-second obstacle and in no way "invaded my personal space" (since I'm > standing a good four feet away from the shelf). Is this "Excuse me" really > necessary? I mean, if they're sorry for breaking up my view of the videos > for a moment, I lose even *more* "moments" if I have to look up, meet their > eyes and give them a reassuring "It's OK" smile.... I always say "excuse me" when walking in front of someone's line of vision. On the other hand, I don't expect them to look up, meet my eyes, or give me any kind of smile, reassuring or otherwise. In fact, I don't even generally look at them. I just says the words to signal that I'm at least aware that I've inconvenienced them, no matter how temporarily. - - s&th cirhsein@yahoo.com If life gives you lemons, squeeze the juice into a watergun and shoot other people in the eyes. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #307 ********************************