From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #306 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, August 16 2001 Volume 10 : Number 306 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Genetic Material In Hair? ["Sweet & Tender Hooligan" ] Re: warning! eyeball-related content! [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dign] Re: warning! eyeball-related content! [Ken Weingold ] Re: warning! eyeball-related content! [Eleanore Adams ] Re: Peter Buck news ["lucifersam" ] Re: Peter Buck news [Mike Swedene ] Re: Nuggests-type stuff [Michael R Godwin ] Recordings for Deviants! ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: Recordings for Deviants! [Michael R Godwin ] veins of the eyes ["ross taylor" ] Helen Keller itis ["Rude Becky of Goldstrum" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:39:57 -0500 From: "Sweet & Tender Hooligan" Subject: Genetic Material In Hair? A few weeks back, during the "A.I." discussion, someone ranted about there being no genetic material in hair (er...I think that's what was said). Could said someone clarify that a bit? Were you kidding? Have I bungled the syntax? What is at the core of that statement? I ask because I was going to repeat that assertion to someone, but thought I might want to check for an authoritative source. A quick Google brought up lots of references to genetic material being present in hair. Thanx! - - s&th cirhsein@yahoo.com "Organized Christianity has probably done more to retard the ideals that were its founders' than any other agency in the world." - Richard Le Gallienne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:27:39 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: warning! eyeball-related content! >I remember asking my mom "what are all >those dots I see in the air?" and her nervously >saying "uh, that's dust." I have yet to see >something that clearly addresses the *grainy* >nature of vision as I see it, most notably on >a bright, featureless surface, but I can clearly >see over everything else too. The grain >appears to be in constant motion, but is never >so coarse as to distort or obscure anything I'm >looking at. ISTR it's at least in part some of the retina's nerve structure. The anatomy of they eye puts the photoreceptors on the inner surface of the retina with the nerve ganglia over the top of them, so that the light they pick up has to pass through fibres before it reaches the rods and cones. Although my topic area for PhD was visual perception, it was more on the why we see what we see side than the anatomical. And there doesn't seem to be much about it in the literature - even a paper like Campbell & Green's 1965 "Optical and retinal factors affecting visual resolution") doesn't mention it. >>I *have* gotten an >>explanation for the small, often colored, >>bright specks of light I see occasionally. An >>astronomy prof. told me those are "phosphenes," >>effects of something, perhaps cosmic rays, >>killing nerve cells in the retina. > >I thought phosphenes were greenish and what I see are usually bright white >or bluish. (Maybe I just have more dead nerve cells than you;-) they come in many shades. And it's nothing to do with cosmic rays. Or the death of cells, for that matter. The usual explanation is this: when we close our eyelids, they push our eyeballs backwards a fraction, causing a tiny amount of pressure on the nerve cells in the back of the eye. This causes some of them to fire at a low level. It is for this reason that they are often seen in ring shapes (the eyeball isn't exactly spherical, due to the lens, and the eye socket has a hole in it to allow the optic nerve to enter the brain cavity). It is also for this reason that you can induce really strong phosphenes by rubbing your eyes. Last time I recall that didn't increase cosmic ray activity :) >Damn, just two posts today? This list sure is in a rut. Hopefully, it's a >"lull" rather than a "decline." yup, we're just gearing up to talk eyeballs. James np - nothing... should be the Residents, though, eh? James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 19:32:36 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: warning! eyeball-related content! On Thu, Aug 16, 2001, James Dignan wrote: > ISTR it's at least in part some of the retina's nerve structure. The > anatomy of they eye puts the photoreceptors on the inner surface of the > retina with the nerve ganglia over the top of them, so that the light they > pick up has to pass through fibres before it reaches the rods and cones. That's very interesting. I was thinking about this the other day. What I always think of when I see this stuff is the movie From Beyond. :) - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:25:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: warning! eyeball-related content! I had not been following this tooo closely.... But.... I just had lasik surgery on both my eyes this year, and I LOVE it!!! So if anyone needs a recommendation of a doctor, mine was pricy but great. I had -11 vision, basically 20/1800, very very thick glasses. Now I have 20/30 in the lefty and 20/15 in the righty, which together test at 20/20. I dont wear glasses at all anymore. I have had none of the scary complecations thy tell you about either. eleanore - --- James Dignan wrote: > >I remember asking my mom "what are all > >those dots I see in the air?" and her nervously > >saying "uh, that's dust." I have yet to see > >something that clearly addresses the *grainy* > >nature of vision as I see it, most notably on > >a bright, featureless surface, but I can clearly > >see over everything else too. The grain > >appears to be in constant motion, but is never > >so coarse as to distort or obscure anything I'm > >looking at. > > ISTR it's at least in part some of the retina's > nerve structure. The > anatomy of they eye puts the photoreceptors on the > inner surface of the > retina with the nerve ganglia over the top of them, > so that the light they > pick up has to pass through fibres before it reaches > the rods and cones. > > Although my topic area for PhD was visual > perception, it was more on the > why we see what we see side than the anatomical. And > there doesn't seem to > be much about it in the literature - even a paper > like Campbell & Green's > 1965 "Optical and retinal factors affecting visual > resolution") doesn't > mention it. > > >>I *have* gotten an > >>explanation for the small, often colored, > >>bright specks of light I see occasionally. An > >>astronomy prof. told me those are "phosphenes," > >>effects of something, perhaps cosmic rays, > >>killing nerve cells in the retina. > > > >I thought phosphenes were greenish and what I see > are usually bright white > >or bluish. (Maybe I just have more dead nerve cells > than you;-) > > they come in many shades. And it's nothing to do > with cosmic rays. Or the > death of cells, for that matter. The usual > explanation is this: when we > close our eyelids, they push our eyeballs backwards > a fraction, causing a > tiny amount of pressure on the nerve cells in the > back of the eye. This > causes some of them to fire at a low level. It is > for this reason that they > are often seen in ring shapes (the eyeball isn't > exactly spherical, due to > the lens, and the eye socket has a hole in it to > allow the optic nerve to > enter the brain cavity). It is also for this reason > that you can induce > really strong phosphenes by rubbing your eyes. Last > time I recall that > didn't increase cosmic ray activity :) > > >Damn, just two posts today? This list sure is in a > rut. Hopefully, it's a > >"lull" rather than a "decline." > > yup, we're just gearing up to talk eyeballs. > > James > > np - nothing... should be the Residents, though, eh? > > James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. > =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= > > - -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- > .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if > from a distance > -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from > another time > =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By > this River") Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 21:32:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Peter Buck news Peter Buck recently scored the music for "Dinner With Friends," the Pulitzer Prize winning play written by Donald Margulies and directed by Gordon Edelstien. The show recently concluded its run at Seattle's A Contemporary Theatre. Joining Peter are musicians Scott McCaughey and Bill Riefland. There are no plans to release the music commercially. I have 5 tracks he wrote. All are under 1 minute in length and are orchestral, some sound like other REM stuff (IMHO). FYI, Herbie np-> Robyn "EYE" thanks to all the ocular talk happening here. Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:03:24 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Peter Buck news Will they be playing it on air flights!? > Peter Buck recently scored the music for "Dinner With > Friends," the Pulitzer Prize winning play written by > Donald Margulies and directed by Gordon Edelstien ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 01:16:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Re: Peter Buck news Only on "Happy Hour Flights" and only during "fight scenes" in movies :) Herbie np-> Weezer from Japan - --- lucifersam wrote: > Will they be playing it on air flights!? > > > > > Peter Buck recently scored the music for "Dinner > With > > Friends," the Pulitzer Prize winning play written > by > > Donald Margulies and directed by Gordon Edelstien Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:58:52 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Nuggests-type stuff Those who were disppointed by the recent Nuggets UK collection might consider the new Mojo 4-CD package "Acid drops, space dust and flying saucers" as an alternative. I haven't time to list the whole thing now, but it includes tracks by Donovan, Syd, Tomorrow and the Flies which were noticeably omitted from the Nuggets list. There are also treats like Denny Laine's original version of 'Say you don't mind', 'Strang walking man' by Mandrake Paddle Steamer and Peter Cook and Dudley Moore's long-forgotten 'LS Bumble Bee'. - - Dr Collis Brown ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:57:12 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Recordings for Deviants! I found a review of Underwater Moonlight under the header Recordings for Deviants, and, needless to say, it got my attention. The review's great, too: Soft Boys: Underwater Moonlight Matador [snip] A great soundtrack for the following activities: driving, drinking after moving into a new apartment, sitting around a fire during the summer by the lake. Will also make housework and/or folding laundry fun. After listening to The Soft Boys your air guitar will be the best it's been in years. - Natalia Yanchak My air guitar, however, couldn't be better. I can play in the Kimberly Rew style. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:21:03 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Recordings for Deviants! On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, Gene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > My air guitar, however, couldn't be better. I can play in the > Kimberly Rew style. I understand that on 24th August there will be an air guitar championship held in Finland. You have to perform two songs: one compulsory and one of your own choice. Last year the compulsory song was 'Ace of Spades'. I haven't got the cutting with me at present so can't give any more details. - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:12:17 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: veins of the eyes Kay-- >Is this normal cause I have always had it too? I know what dust grains in >sun light look like but this is something native to the eye itself. Seems normal to me, but very rare that anyone else knows what I'm talking about--so it seemed a good thing to bring up here. :) I know what floaters are supposed to look like & I recognize those blood cells that get loose in the vitreous humor & look like tiny translucent inner tubes, often joined together in a short chain or clump. I also once saw a tiny submarine with Raquel Welch & Donald Pleasance on board. Off topic (i.e. not eye related)-- Has anyone heard George Harrison's collaborations w/ Ravi Shankar? I've seen mention of these in a Shankar box set. I like Indian music, but don't listen that much, haven't got out my old Ali Akbar Kahn record in so long I may be misspelling him. I just wondered if this sounded like experimental pop (even Beatlesy?). Jim Keltner & Billy Prestion are on a couple of tracks I think. tree-- I am interested in the latest SBs soundboard thing, but cannot copy CDs just now -- can contribute blanks, postage. Ross Taylor Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:11:02 +0000 From: "Rude Becky of Goldstrum" Subject: Helen Keller itis All these visual questions brings a pathetic query to mind: Is there a word for the state where you see something quite clearly in front of you yet nevertheless you're brain does not register it as such till, oh, 10 useless minutes later. At which point you laugh, cry and wonder how you manage to walk and chew gum at the same time. Kay's idiot twin w _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #306 ********************************