From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #304 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, August 14 2001 Volume 10 : Number 304 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Copyproof CDs, Tom Waits ["da9ve stovall" ] videos and lots of shows (a smidgen of content) [Ken Ostrander ] Art Tails ["Rude Becky of Goldstrum" ] robyn's hat ["ross taylor" ] Re: Copy Proof CDS? [Tom Clark ] RE: fegmaniax-digest V10 #302 ["Walker, Charles" ] Re: Tom Waits (no RH) [Glen Uber ] Re: Art Tails [Eleanore Adams ] Re: videos and lots of shows (a smidgen of content) [Eb ] for those still interested in this marginal talent ;) [HAL ] A Tree? ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: eBay [Ken Weingold ] purile listowner humor [/dev/woj ] Its all happening in Terre Haut ["Rude Becky of Goldstrum" Subject: RE: Copyproof CDs, Tom Waits >From: Mike Swedene >Subject: Tom Waits (no RH) > >I have just recd some Tom Waits boots (Alice (demos) >and Black Rider (outtakes)). He is amazing. Can >anyone recomend the top 5 albums (High Fidelity >reference) I should get to appreciate him more? I >never realized how well his instrumentals would work >in a Tim Burton film until now :) Tom is one of my all-time favorites. I'd suggest, based on the ones that you've heard (and I have both those boots in one form or another), that you'd do well to pick up these, in roughly this order: *Swordfishtrombones *Rain Dogs (often mentioned as the best starting point) *Franks Wild Years - these three comprise the "Frank Trilogy", the first of which was Tom's BIG step away from his previous, less avant-garage style. *The Black Rider *Bone Machine (I can't confine myself to 5 Waits albums - besides which, the five above would give you a pretty slanted impression.) *The Mule Variations - his most recent, and something of a recapitulation of his entire career arc; when I first heard it, I thought, "Oh, no - he's gone and made his farewll album." *Small Change (an older one - not a klunker on this LP) *Nighthawks at the Diner (another 70's one - get it if you dig Small Change) There are definitely others I'd call "essential," but those would make a great kickoff. I saw Tom in Chicago, 27 Aug 1999, and it was resoundingly the best musical event of that year for me. I didn't think I'd EVER get to see him live, since he'd pretty much given up touring long ago, but something convinced him to tour for The Mule Variations. He's a really great performer/showman/stage presence, and the band was just right. (And yes, the tape came out great :-) ) >> The MacroVision scheme is allegedly defeatable by a substitute >> CD file system driver (cdfs.vxd), which tells your CD-ROM how >> to read a music CD: > >Is there a list somewhere of which CDs are known to already have this >stuff on them? Those articles said it was already deployed on millions of >discs, which took me aback. > I _wish_! The only one I know of that uses the SunComm/Macrovision scheme is a Charley Pride disc called (something like) _A Tribute to Jim Reeves_. Which doesn't strike ms as a disc that's prime Napster-fodder, if you ask me. And, so the story goes, the company that released that one didn't even INTEND to make its identity known to the public at large - it was supposed to be an experiment in order to see if the songs on it started showing up as pirated MP3s. They figured, if everyone KNOWS this is a protected CD, of COURSE someone will hack it, but if no one knows, it's a better experiment to see if it gets ripped as a matter of course. But, what happened was that promotional copies of the disc WITHOUT the copy protection scheme were released in (I think) Australia, so that fouled the experiment, and they went ahead and released that title to the media as a f'rinstance. I believe that commercial copies in the US have the copy-protection scheme in place. As for the "millions" of discs flooding the UK market, I'm presuming they mean 'millions of copies of a small number of releases,' implying that they're putting the mojo on some popular artists' releases. I'm sure a list will appear sooner or later on www.cdfreaks.com, but as far as I know, there's no officially released list. da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:17:37 -0400 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: videos and lots of shows (a smidgen of content) >Robyn has since denounced those videos as being one of the terrible >things one does in the pursuit of money and fame. He much prefers his >earlier homemade vids (like "Raymond Chandler Evening"). is there a timeline of when these videos were made? obviously, 'lightbulb head' coming after 'raymond chandler' is a bit out of whack. after a bit of a famine i'm in the middle of a feast of live music. last monday i saw billy idol with steve stevens at avalon. the gig was raucous; but the crowd was even more interesting. it seemed like people dug out there punk rock outfits from the attic or the basement or whatever. idol played everything you'd expect (no 'hot in the city') including acoustic, bluesy versions of 'white wedding' and 'to be a lover'. a remake of 'don't you forget about me' wasn't as weird as it sounds. no opening band, just a lot of cool punk tunes on the soundsystem. friday night i packed into the paradise to see the adorable bebel gilberto. her band was made up mostly of brazilians, except for a japanese guitarist and they sounded incredible. her voice is beautiful and her stage presence is undeniable. she played everything from her album (which i hear is the third highest selling album of brazilian music in the u.s.) and pulled out at least one brazilian classic; but nothing by her father. opening and closing the show was a dj mixing up latin and techno. saturday i met fellow feg mitch dickerman at tt the bears to see the black rebel motorcycle club. as is usually the case at tt's, there were three opening acts: philly band ty cobb, and boston bands baby strange and rocket science. interestingly enough the opening bands got worse as the night progressed (regressed?) with rocket science sounding like another one of those blink matchbox number bands. the b.r.m.c. was pretty damn cool though. something like love & rockets or the jesus & mary chain. tomorrow night i'll be seeing radiohead with the beta band, probably in the rain. >are there really any solo Byrne songs which everyone *has* to hear? i have to admit that i got burned out on his solo stuff early on; but i think his new album is really great. i was disappointed not hearing 'neighborhood'. it sounds like the show you saw was identical to the one i saw more than a month ago. i thought that the band was fantastic. >"Sex and Violence" (an odd, rather unsatisfying choice) actually, that's 'sax and violins'. you're right about it's being underwhelming compared to the many songs that they could've played. >"I Wanna Dance With Somebody" very strange; but the crowd loved it. ken "what, no fuckin' ziti?" the kenster np sonic geology birdsongs of the mesozoic ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:34:06 -0500 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Grant Lee in Chicago Grant Lee Phillips is going to be at the Double Door 10pm Saturday night 8/25, opening band TBA. Any other Chicago-area fegs interested in going? Including the usual TicketBastard fee it's $16...email me offlist and we can hook up. > >are there really any solo Byrne songs which everyone *has* to hear? Unless "Independence Day" from Rei Momo counts, then I would say no. Michael played yesterday: "On Stage" by Rainbow now playing: "Mock Tudor" by R. Thompson soon to be playing: "Since" by R. Buckner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 17:10:47 +0000 From: "Rude Becky of Goldstrum" Subject: Art Tails Just want to weigh in with Eleanor and James that for some artworks there is - -nothing- like seeing the original. This btw, is especially true of sculpture, of which the Louvre has one of the greatest collections in the world. Eleanore is the Nike of Samothrace still overseeing the stairway? She blew me away when I saw her, no picture prepared me. And the Venus de Milo centered in the rotunda? And Praxilius's godform still godlike(cant remember if it was an Apollo or a Hermes or an athlete)? You must have had a great trip. Charles, I take issue with some of your views. Feeling connected to one's personal history is healthy. Being alienated from it aint(IMHO.) If culture helps us stay connected, or gives depth to our being unconnected but searching, then Im all for it. Theres an article by Charles Jenks whose a Brit architect at http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/highlights/essay_jencks_aug01/index.html about beauty(and therefore art) which, hell's bell's, I feel I could have written myself its so much my idea of things. So Ill leave -that- to do the arguing bout aesthetic matters and make a shameless confession. I hate Warhols art and all its spawned. If he did it once, to make his point, fine and dandy. It was a good point and worth making. But he made the same godamn point over and over again in pretty much the same way. I like his friggin shoe ad drawings better than the legions of crappy silkscreens owned by, take my word for it, some of the most most boring, unimagnitive muggles in the world(and alright, also by some people who are OK, Im getting abit carried away by my own rhetoric here;-). Nevertheless, Warholh's a blatant example of an artist whose art is -usually- collected cause of its cache and "investment value", not because anyone loves to sit in front of it and get lost in it for hours. Yes, its funny that he knew he was a fraud, admitted he was a fraud, and made a fortune from it. But hey--enough already. As far as I see it(which may be fairly blurry, I do wear glasses;-)the single best thing he ever did was encourage Reed et al to write and make music. And hire Fran Leibowitz. Also Charles, as for the the workshop system , which was practiced by one of my all time faves-Rubens, there was nothing clandestine, fraudulent or duplicious about it. No one was -claiming- the work was by a the modern concept of induvidual authorship. And the people who worked in the workshops not only earned a living, perfected their craft but were also acknowledged for what they did and often ended up setting up shop for themselves with a ready-made stream of clients who were already familliar with their expertise. Everyone back then knew that Leonardo agreed to do one of the angels in Verrochio's(--damn it, can see it in my mind but cant recall the title of the painting) before he got to signing his own stuff. Sorry, in a techy mood this morn. That article by Jencks was like walking nose first into a door Ive never been able to get open. I really could have writtebn it. But I have a hard time, an almost impossible time for all sorts of ridiculous early-conditioning reasons of being ashamed of any sort of thing I seriously write. Unless its understood to be unimportant. Like e-mail. Its absurd but not even getting mightely pissed-off helps dislodge it. So Im nursing a bruised beak, acutely consious of the problem, acutely consious of how I block myself and acutely consious of how Ive never been able to figure out how to get around it. Blah! How -do- we get so warped, each in our own little stupid ways. I feel like a cat whose being constanly vexed, perhaps in the mistaken believe that it will get her to do something productive. The problem is that it does no good, it only makes her snap at her own tail which, at this point, is starting to get infected. Either that or its just a Monday morning;-) Kay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:20:19 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: robyn's hat catching up-- Since Larry Adler was both semi local & recorded on a Procol Harum record, I somehow have to report I went to see Bill Wyman's Rhythm Kings (including Gary Brooker) last week. I got Wyman's autograph & he's so short! Never having seen a Stone up close, I now wonder if all of them are short ... Albert Lee was in the band & it's amazing how sweet he looks. He has a curly mess of gray Harpo-like hair and looks like your darling Grandmother. Even when he's playing eight zillion notes per nanosecond. Georgie Fame was also a discovery, a pre-Beatles British hipster. I plan to dig up some of his old stuff. Totally off topic for this list, but things are sloe. more old-- To go back to the lingering perceptual psyche thread, I remember asking my mom "what are all those dots I see in the air?" and her nervously saying "uh, that's dust." I have yet to see something that clearly addresses the *grainy* nature of vision as I see it, most notably on a bright, featureless surface, but I can clearly see over everything else too. The grain appears to be in constant motion, but is never so coarse as to distort or obscure anything I'm looking at. Perhaps most noticeable in a dark room. The only time I've seen it *go away* was when I was on acid. I *have* gotten an explanation for the small, often colored, bright specks of light I see occasionally. An astronomy prof. told me those are "phosphenes," effects of something, perhaps cosmic rays, killing nerve cells in the retina. video star-- I seem to remember RH was involved in all the good videos, IODOT, Raymond Chandler Evening, Balloon Man, Lightbulb Head. That's Maisy in Lightbulb Head, right? I seem to remember a tiny blurb in Rolling Stone in the late 80s, early 90s where RH & Michael Stipe announced they were forming a video/film production company together, but never heard more about it. My only clear memory of a purely Stipe video is a sorta lame one for "Finest Work Song." But bless him for helping "Being John Malkovitch " along. Ross Taylor almost about ready to begin to start transcribing spoken monologues Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:22:29 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Copy Proof CDS? on 8/11/01 8:59 PM, da9ve stovall at da9ve@geek.com wrote: > The MacroVision scheme is allegedly defeatable by a substitute > CD file system driver (cdfs.vxd), which tells your CD-ROM how > to read a music CD: > > http://www.cdfreaks.com/document.php3?Doc=48 > One may want to check more sources before believing the hype: It looks like the hackers have discovered the wonders of F.U.D. I'm all for it, - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:38:49 -0700 From: "Walker, Charles" Subject: RE: fegmaniax-digest V10 #302 Heh, heh--I guess you dont remember the bad-hair years. Most people have bad hair days, Robyn had years chas replies: folks are going to look back on our current hip and groovy styles in 2009 and think 'what were we thinking back then? THat looks cool??' i have seen clips on tv from the early and mid nineties and even those hairstyles look really poofy and odd and we're only talking a few years here. chas in LA who cant WAIT for feathered hair and the male perm to hit it big again. http://www.theweeklywalker.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:05:32 -0700 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: Tom Waits (no RH) On 8/12/01 1:40 AM, "Mike Swedene" wrote: > I have just recd some Tom Waits boots (Alice (demos) > and Black Rider (outtakes)). He is amazing. Can > anyone recomend the top 5 albums (High Fidelity > reference) I should get to appreciate him more? I really like Swordfishtrombones and Mule Variations. Those albums occupy my 1 & 2, though they alternate positions with my mood. After that, I'd have to recommend Closing Time, Bone Machine and Rain Dogs in that order. - -- Cheers! - -g- "If we aren't careful, history will be rewritten to support the biases of the masses." --D. L. Beard Glen Uber // uberg (at) sonic dot net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:06:39 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: Art Tails Yes, the Winged Victory (I think this is the Nike) is at the top of the stairs and it is breathtaking! I'll havr the pix on line soon, but Of coarse this will not give you the same effect. And Venus de Milo is still there too! You ahev to see these tings to believe them. This first time I experienced this phenomenon is when I went to Chicago and saw the Impressionists. in books they are unimpressive and dull. So are their poster prints. But live, in color, when you can almost touch the inches of layers of paint, you are mesmorized by how great they are. eleanore Rude Becky of Goldstrum wrote: > Just want to weigh in with Eleanor and James that for some artworks there is > -nothing- like seeing the original. This btw, is especially true of > sculpture, of which the Louvre has one of the greatest collections in the > world. > Eleanore is the Nike of Samothrace still overseeing the stairway? She blew > me away when I saw her, no picture prepared me. And the Venus de Milo > centered in the rotunda? And Praxilius's godform still godlike(cant remember > if it was an Apollo or a Hermes or an athlete)? You must have had a great > trip. > > Charles, I take issue with some of your views. Feeling connected to one's > personal history is healthy. Being alienated from it aint(IMHO.) If culture > helps us stay connected, or gives depth to our being unconnected but > searching, then Im all for it. Theres an article by Charles Jenks whose a > Brit architect at > http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/highlights/essay_jencks_aug01/index.html > about beauty(and therefore art) which, hell's bell's, I feel I could have > written myself its so much my idea of things. So Ill leave -that- to do the > arguing bout aesthetic matters and make a shameless confession. > > I hate Warhols art and all its spawned. If he did it once, to make his > point, fine and dandy. It was a good point and worth making. But he made the > same godamn point over and over again in pretty much the same way. I like > his friggin shoe ad drawings better than the legions of crappy silkscreens > owned by, take my word for it, some of the most most boring, unimagnitive > muggles in the world(and alright, also by some people who are OK, Im getting > abit carried away by my own rhetoric here;-). Nevertheless, Warholh's a > blatant example of an artist whose art is -usually- collected cause of its > cache and "investment value", not because anyone loves to sit in front of it > and get lost in it for hours. Yes, its funny that he knew he was a fraud, > admitted he was a fraud, and made a fortune from it. But hey--enough > already. As far as I see it(which may be fairly blurry, I do wear > glasses;-)the single best thing he ever did was encourage Reed et al to > write and make music. And hire Fran Leibowitz. > > Also Charles, as for the the workshop system , which was practiced by one of > my all time faves-Rubens, there was nothing clandestine, fraudulent or > duplicious about it. No one was -claiming- the work was by a the modern > concept of induvidual authorship. And the people who worked in the workshops > not only earned a living, perfected their craft but were also acknowledged > for what they did and often ended up setting up shop for themselves with a > ready-made stream of clients who were already familliar with their > expertise. Everyone back then knew that Leonardo agreed to do one of the > angels in Verrochio's(--damn it, can see it in my mind but cant recall the > title of the painting) before he got to signing his own stuff. > > Sorry, in a techy mood this morn. That article by Jencks was like walking > nose first into a door Ive never been able to get open. I really could have > writtebn it. But I have a hard time, an almost impossible time for all > sorts of ridiculous early-conditioning reasons of being ashamed of any sort > of thing I seriously write. Unless its understood to be unimportant. Like > e-mail. Its absurd but not even getting mightely pissed-off helps dislodge > it. So Im nursing a bruised beak, acutely consious of the problem, acutely > consious of how I block myself and acutely consious of how Ive never been > able to figure out how to get around it. Blah! How -do- we get so warped, > each in our own little stupid ways. > > I feel like a cat whose being constanly vexed, perhaps in the mistaken > believe that it will get her to do something productive. The problem is that > it does no good, it only makes her snap at her own tail which, at this > point, is starting to get infected. > > Either that or its just a Monday morning;-) > > Kay > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:02:14 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: videos and lots of shows (a smidgen of content) Ken: >last monday i saw billy idol with steve stevens at avalon. Well, LJ, at least Quail didn't make you see *this* show. () >friday night i packed into the paradise to see the adorable bebel gilberto. I'm real curious about her...haven't heard a note as yet. >the b.r.m.c. was pretty damn cool though. >something like...the jesus & mary chain. Now there's an understatement. Phooey. >>"Sex and Violence" (an odd, rather unsatisfying choice) >actually, that's 'sax and violins'. Yeah, I goofed there. Someone else corrected me, a few days ago. Kay: >Just want to weigh in with Eleanor and James Hey now...one at a time, please. I've been making a lot of last-minute, unexpected concert plans, lately...now there's a chance a ticket has fallen into my lap to see King Crimson (and Toooooooooool, Eddie!) tonight. Not sure yet. I heard Glenn Tilbrook's new solo album last night. Damn, what a shlump he turned out to be. Nice l'il pop tunes there, Grandpa. Thank heavens Robyn hasn't become this tepid and harmless. Eb, futilely trying to figure out why he finds Catherine Keener so sexy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:06:05 -0700 From: Dan Poppe Subject: Re: Good Master Poppe Greetings! I haven't fallen off of the Earth, really. I have, however, been travelling a lot, and just returned from a week with my crazy and beautiful Ryko brethren at our national conference in New Orleans. That city doesn't sleep! I taped both L.A. Soft Boys shows on a D8 with Oade Brothers mics and the bass modification. CDs were made from DAT to a Tascam CD-RW 700. I then used ProTools to EQ the entire Knitting Factory show, and to tidy up a small gap at the start of the Largo performance of "Train 'Round the Bend". I'm pretty happy with them. I also recently received a friend's Schoeps MK4 source of the SF Fillmore show, in case that hasn't started making the rounds yet. Apologies to everyone who contacted me about the L.A. shows that hasn't received them yet! I will try to get back in touch with all y'all soon. Please feel free to shoot me an e-mail reminder. I'd be happy to seed a tree. Bayard, I promise to get a package out to you this week with these 2 shows (and more;-) Cheers, Dan - ----- Original Message ----- From: "bayard" To: "Saxmundham Deadcross" Cc: Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 1:56 PM Subject: Good Master Poppe > Has anyone talked with Dan Poppe lately? Jill S. and I were hoping to out > the last Largo show out on the tape tree... the Digital version of it > anyway... and i thought he knew someone who had it. Any leads? > > =b #insert clever quote here# ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:54:50 -0600 From: HAL Subject: for those still interested in this marginal talent ;) POLITICALLY INCORRECT WITH BILL MAHER, ABC Mo 8/13: Robert Conrad, ***Rufus Wainwright***, Lisa Ann Walter, Traditional Value Coalition's Rev. Lou Sheldon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:27:04 -0700 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: for those still interested in this marginal talent ;) On 8/13/01 1:54 PM, "HAL" wrote: > Subject: Re: for those still interested in this marginal talent ;) > > POLITICALLY INCORRECT WITH BILL MAHER, ABC > Mo 8/13: Robert Conrad, ***Rufus Wainwright***, Lisa Ann Walter, > Traditional Value Coalition's Rev. Lou Sheldon > When you say "marginal talent" are you referring to Bill Maher or Robert Conrad? ;) - -- Cheers! - -g- "If we aren't careful, history will be rewritten to support the biases of the masses." --D. L. Beard Glen Uber // uberg (at) sonic dot net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 17:33:00 -0400 From: strange little woj Subject: Re: for those still interested in this marginal talent ;) when we last left our heroes, HAL exclaimed: >POLITICALLY INCORRECT WITH BILL MAHER, ABC >Mo 8/13: Robert Conrad, ***Rufus Wainwright***, Lisa Ann Walter, >Traditional Value Coalition's Rev. Lou Sheldon and the word is that rufus will be opening for tori amos for the first month or so of her coming tour: . +w ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:47:08 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: for those still interested in this marginal talent ;) >POLITICALLY INCORRECT WITH BILL MAHER, ABC >Mo 8/13: Robert Conrad, ***Rufus Wainwright***, Lisa Ann Walter, >Traditional Value Coalition's Rev. Lou Sheldon Some other Feg already announced this, a couple of days ago. Actually, it should be pretty funny seeing Wainwright horrify that pinheaded prig Lou Sheldon. Note: I saw Lisa Ann Walter on this show a few months ago, and she has had so much plastic surgery that I literally didn't recognize her anymore. We're talking a Jennifer Grey-level reconstruction, here. I guess being a Katey Sagal clone isn't so fashionable anymore. Eb The L.A. Times' Robert Hilburn on Rufus Wainwright, in an August 8th review: "a breathtakingly talented young singer-songwriter." Oddly enough, I'm not sure Hilburn has *ever* written a word about Hitchcock. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:01:04 -0800 From: Brett Cooper Subject: eBay Has anyone noticed that eBay has been very, very, slow-performing lately? Brett ******************************************** Cooper Collections http://home.gci.net/~coopercollections ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:17:32 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: A Tree? Hello All, As I sit at my computer clean shaven of my beard, I want to take a moment of your time to float an idea. I have been thinking about a cd tree and need to know if interest exists. After accumulating most of The Soft Boys U.S. tour I am struck by one thing over and over again, It's Robyn's rap during Underwater Moonlight. In every version so far he does a radically different rap, leading up to the Feed The Fish part. I have thought of putting all these raps together on one CDR, this would be the the tree. I need to know if interest exists for this, and if so, should I put the complete songs on it or just fade in where the rap starts and fade out where the feed the fish line comes in. Looking forward to any suggestions anyone might have. Thanks, Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 21:45:23 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: eBay On Mon, Aug 13, 2001, Brett Cooper wrote: > Has anyone noticed that eBay has been very, very, slow-performing > lately? Yeah, for about the past two years. :) - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:48:14 -0400 From: /dev/woj Subject: purile listowner humor every once in a while, i sometimes get a bounce which makes me chuckle. sometimes, it's because of a cute error message. sometimes it's because of a normal message with an amusing userid. this is one such... ah, the joys of being a listowner! - ----- Forwarded message from Mail Delivery Subsystem ----- ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- (reason: can't create (user) output file) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- procmail: Lock failure on "/var/spool/mail/asshole.lock" procmail: Error while writing to "/var/spool/mail/asshole" 550 5.0.0 ... Can't create output - ----- End forwarded message ----- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 20:58:14 +0000 From: "Rude Becky of Goldstrum" Subject: Its all happening in Terre Haut http://www.theonion.com/onion3727/garage_band.html Warning-- drummer joke 1/2 way thru _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #304 ********************************