From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #302 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, August 11 2001 Volume 10 : Number 302 Today's Subjects: ----------------- robyn's hat [Carole Reichstein ] Brenda of the Lightbulb Eyes question [Carole Reichstein ] Worst 80s hair ever?-Darryl in Newhart ["Rude Becky of Goldstrum" ] Good Master Poppe [bayard ] Arty Party Arcati [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] RH + Alex Trebek Content [100%] [Jason Miller ] Museum O'Hitchcock....and a wee bit about Alex Grey ["Seth Frisby" ] Re: RH + Alex Trebek Content [100%] [Jeff Dwarf ] Rufus Wainwright sighting to be [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Copy Proof CDS? ["lucifersam" ] Re: RH + Alex Trebek Content [100%] [bayard ] Music ["Rude Becky of Goldstrum" ] from Randi [bayard ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 10:16:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Carole Reichstein Subject: robyn's hat >The weirdest thing, though, was seeing Robyn doing all that 80's-era >music-video posturing. It just didn't look...right. And what was with the >hat?! I guess /no one/ escaped the 80's unscathed. WHICH hat are you referring to? The one he's wearing while playing the piano in the One Long Pair of Eyes/Madonna..Wasps video? My sister and I thought he looked like a young Antonio Banderas in those videos (before he ruined everything by marrying Melanie Griffith and was still unknown and cool). But yes...the hat fairly screams "Eighties!" Pointless posting, Carole ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 10:19:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Carole Reichstein Subject: Brenda of the Lightbulb Eyes question > And who is the moustachioed fellow on drums? Morris! Not one of his best looks. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 11:04:13 -0700 From: "Walker, Charles" Subject: authorship This whole fetishization thing is weird... It's like, even though there are reproductions of the Mona Lisa everywhere, people flock from all over the world to see the REAL, touched-by-Da Vinci item... but what's the difference, really? Likewise, there's a million pairs of round wire-rimmed glasses in the world, but we pay money to see these particular pairs, because they were worn by St. John. What intrinsic value to they have, apart from the identity of their owner? What if they were exactly the same except for not being owned by St. John? Would they then be valueless? Encasing Lennon's holy relics under glass just reminds me of that bit at the beginning of "The Invisibles," where King Mob needs to consult a god for advice, and chooses Lennon - who, after all, has pretty much been deified. (The God Lennon gives King Mob - what else? - an apple.) pondering pointlessly, n. (whose favorite version of the Mona Lisa is by Duchamp) Chas replies: Funny that you should mention Duchamp as i was thinking of him as i read your little bit, as the majority of his work is about authorship, originality, value, and the role of the viewer and the artist together [Warhol deals with a great deal of this as well - he was no simpleton]. Anyway, maybe a bit off topic but I have always found it odd how people get disgruntled when they discover for instance that most of the 70's minimalist crouds had their work fabricated and they never touched it, or when an 80's hotshot got his/her formulae down for his/her paintings and had assistants working on the bulk of the work. I have to remind people that if you go and see any history painting by, say, David, odds are he only touched about 5% of the surface area of that canvas and that assistants did the rest. 1/2 of Rembrandt's paintings were done by his students and he signed his name to them [thus saying 'this is as good as mine - you are now a master' and causing TONS of art historical confusion down the line - break out the x-ray machines again boys there's another van rijin coming down the tracks!]. Originality and authorship are fun games to banter around. Dali - one of my LEAST favorite artist of all time - had a final joke as near the end of his life he signed 1000's of blank pages that were later used to print from his pre-existing plates to make prints, thus devaluing his own art tremendously. if you see an ad to buy or see an exhibition of his work, it is probably one of these joke pieces and is, historically, almost worthless. As i said, this is all good fun and games and speculation about the issue of 'value' - why some things are valued and somethings are not. my theory is that people have a fundamental need to feel connected to their personal history to validate the absurding of a great deal of their existence and these objects - art objects or whatever - serve that purpose. history may be a part of our biology. sorry to rant on but it is a SLOW day at work. Chas in LA http://www.theweeklywalker.com issue #46 is here! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 18:28:20 +0000 From: "Rude Becky of Goldstrum" Subject: Worst 80s hair ever?-Darryl in Newhart What in hell did the mail-reader do to my last post? Nat: >but what's the difference, really? Likewise, there's a million pairs >of >round wire-rimmed glasses in the world, but we pay money to see >these >particular pairs, because they were worn by St. John. Ive never been to the Hall of Fame nor do I envision going. Seeing someones broken glasses is not something I need. I agree, its a silly in some ways as the 1,000,000 fragments of the true cross. But you know, for some people those fragments, fake or not actually do trigger off emotions that are felt to be meaningful. Relics have often been felt to hold manna. Do they, or is it just ones own manna reflected back at one? Confession which may get me in trouble with fans. After waiting on John and Yoko I took one of the copies of the receit he signed cause it seemed like something you did. You know, an autograph. I then proceeded to loose it basically cause I had no idea what to do with it. Like Jason said, we have the songs. S&TH >The weirdest thing, though, was seeing Robyn doing all that 80's-era >music-video posturing. It just didn't look...right. And what was >with the hat?! Heh, heh--I guess you dont remember the bad-hair years. Most people have bad hair days, Robyn had years, which thankfully resolved when he(or Michelle?) decided he should go grey and shaggy(proof-positive the God -does- listen to my prayers:-) Anyway--my guess was the hat was there for two reasons, first to cover whatever overly-gelled hair disaster was under it and secondly to make him look "cute","fun", "approuchable", "eccentricaly British" and most of all "marketable." More proof-positive that God listens to my prayers?--THEY FAILED! Ken: >wouldn't it be fun to have a costume party where everyone dressed up >as >something from a robyn tune? so many options...of course, it >could turn >into something like mask of the red death meets lady >waters and the hooded >one. That is a truely great idea. And after a few round of drinks we could start acting out skits. -That- could get interesting. But Id definietly need a drink first;-) Tom: >>...meets Eyes Wide Shut. Wasnt that an 80s music video? I have a quandry to pose to the list. Going to work on the train the other day I started thinking a perhaps slightly Robynesque idea: If you disquise yourself, but not very well -- Does that mean you hope to be recognized ... or unrecognized? Kay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 11:42:19 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: authorship Speaking of the mona lisa, I just went to the Louve and saw the real thing a few weeks ago. Not to bad, I must say. Not my favorite type of art, but pretty cool. It wasnt swamped like it usually is becasue it was Bastille day, and I got a good photo of it. Yes, they allow photography! I don't know about common mass produced items like glasses, but when it comes to art, the reeal thing does make a difference. eleanore "Walker, Charles" wrote: > This whole fetishization thing is weird... It's like, even though there > are reproductions of the Mona Lisa everywhere, people flock from all over > the world to see the REAL, touched-by-Da Vinci item... but what's the > difference, really? Likewise, there's a million pairs of round > wire-rimmed glasses in the world, but we pay money to see these particular > pairs, because they were worn by St. John. What intrinsic value to they > have, apart from the identity of their owner? What if they were exactly > the same except for not being owned by St. John? Would they then be > valueless? > > Encasing Lennon's holy relics under glass just reminds me of that bit > at the beginning of "The Invisibles," where King Mob needs to consult a > god for advice, and chooses Lennon - who, after all, has pretty much been > deified. (The God Lennon gives King Mob - what else? - an apple.) > > pondering pointlessly, > > n. (whose favorite version of the Mona Lisa is by Duchamp) > > Chas replies: Funny that you should mention Duchamp as i was thinking of him > as i read your little bit, as the majority of his work is about authorship, > originality, value, and the role of the viewer and the artist together > [Warhol deals with a great deal of this as well - he was no simpleton]. > Anyway, maybe a bit off topic but I have always found it odd how people get > disgruntled when they discover for instance that most of the 70's minimalist > crouds had their work fabricated and they never touched it, or when an 80's > hotshot got his/her formulae down for his/her paintings and had assistants > working on the bulk of the work. I have to remind people that if you go and > see any history painting by, say, David, odds are he only touched about 5% > of the surface area of that canvas and that assistants did the rest. 1/2 of > Rembrandt's paintings were done by his students and he signed his name to > them [thus saying 'this is as good as mine - you are now a master' and > causing TONS of art historical confusion down the line - break out the x-ray > machines again boys there's another van rijin coming down the tracks!]. > Originality and authorship are fun games to banter around. Dali - one of my > LEAST favorite artist of all time - had a final joke as near the end of his > life he signed 1000's of blank pages that were later used to print from his > pre-existing plates to make prints, thus devaluing his own art tremendously. > if you see an ad to buy or see an exhibition of his work, it is probably one > of these joke pieces and is, historically, almost worthless. As i said, this > is all good fun and games and speculation about the issue of 'value' - why > some things are valued and somethings are not. my theory is that people have > a fundamental need to feel connected to their personal history to validate > the absurding of a great deal of their existence and these objects - art > objects or whatever - serve that purpose. history may be a part of our > biology. > sorry to rant on but it is a SLOW day at work. > Chas in LA > http://www.theweeklywalker.com issue #46 is here! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 13:56:11 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: Good Master Poppe Has anyone talked with Dan Poppe lately? Jill S. and I were hoping to out the last Largo show out on the tape tree... the Digital version of it anyway... and i thought he knew someone who had it. Any leads? =b #insert clever quote here# ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 10:41:17 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Arty Party Arcati >This whole fetishization thing is weird... It's like, even though there >are reproductions of the Mona Lisa everywhere, people flock from all over >the world to see the REAL, touched-by-Da Vinci item... but what's the >difference, really? there's a huge difference between a real painting and even a high quality reproduction of it! >>> > something like mask of the red death meets lady waters and the hooded one >> >>> ...meets Eyes Wide Shut. >> >>Now there's a party my wife and I'd attend... ;) ooo.... me too...! >i just had a vision of a sitcom based on 'my wife and my dead wife'. well, since the song's based on a comedy movie that makes sense... James (go the ABs!) np - Cloudboy's "Down at the end of the garden". Sublime. James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 04:12:51 +0000 (GMT) From: Jason Miller Subject: RH + Alex Trebek Content [100%] Robyn was featured in a question on Jeopardy last night. The category was Seattle Business. The answer was something like: "Robyn Hitchcock's 1999 song 'Viva SeaTac' featured the line 'Coming and going it has to be' what?" No one got it (except me of course). J a s o n S. M i l l e r ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 01:07:17 -0400 From: "Seth Frisby" Subject: Museum O'Hitchcock....and a wee bit about Alex Grey Hey Dolph, thanks a bunch for all that info. I've now sent my feelers in those mentioned artists directions. Its the way I always go about learning about music, the first stage is reading as much as I can find, particularly reviews. For some odd reason reading about music really satisfies and entertains me, in fact there are bands I'd rather read about than listen to. I think the Sex pistols might be one of those. Of course on the other end of the spectrum there are a few artists I love who can seem positively dull in print. Of course writing about anything other than writing is inherently false according to that classic dancing architecture phrase that no one knows who to attribute to. So Kay where's this lil' Hitchcock library or Museum? You said North Vermont correct? I'm guessing Northeast Kingdom (I really do like that there's a Kingdom here)...I wonder how it got up there? There is coincidentally a lot of Masonic activity in this neck of the woods so don't rule out anything ;) It didn't have a 23 for an address number did it? Just got back from Johnson where the artist Alex Grey was having a lecture and slide show. Wow..what a beautifully modest and inspirational guy...It was also great to have his art explained in detail and passion. The crowd also kept pretentiousness out of most of their questions ( The worst question of that kind I ever heard was at a Robert Fripp Soundscape show where he ended with a Q&A. It began with,"I'm a musician from Berklee, and I was wondering why you feel the need to play for people. I don't." Robert responded first by saying he thought it was more or less egotistical to claim that you're musician and that playing just for one's self is akin to masturbation.) But to bring this full circle Alex seemed very excited to bring his art to people and to be able to talk about it in person, although he didn't mention a thing about the Tool album. Actually its kind of difficult to verbalize what I got out of it, because yes he *is* a visual artist. Oh and put me down as a card carrying owner of both Bears albums! Seth _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 23:09:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Copy Proof CDS? Well here they go again.... How long will THIS one last before it is cracked? http://www.msnbc.com/news/610615.asp?0dm=C11RT&cp1=1 Something to ponder.... Herbie NP -> Bjork VEspertine (Advance Copy) Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 23:25:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: RH + Alex Trebek Content [100%] Jason Miller wrote: > Robyn was featured in a question on Jeopardy last night. The category > was Seattle Business. The answer was something like: > > "Robyn Hitchcock's 1999 song 'Viva SeaTac' featured the line 'Coming > and going it has to be' what?" > > No one got it (except me of course). guess they chickened out on asking what they have best of besides computers and coffee... ===== "Loyalty to a petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul." -- Mark Twain "The divinity of Jesus has been made a convenient cover for every absurdity." -- John Adams "The jury is the last line of defense against corporate misconduct." -- Craig McDonald, Texans for Public Justice Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 00:38:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Rufus Wainwright sighting to be He, along with happy fun guy/trigger of attacks on Christianity that end up necessitating apologies to Dolph etc Lou Shelton, are going to be on Politically Incorrect on Monday. ===== "Loyalty to a petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul." -- Mark Twain "The divinity of Jesus has been made a convenient cover for every absurdity." -- John Adams "The jury is the last line of defense against corporate misconduct." -- Craig McDonald, Texans for Public Justice Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 12:23:53 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Copy Proof CDS? Watch out for a back lash from companies who market CD recorders. I have a cool Pioneer one, which makes brilliant copies of audio CD's. Can you imagine the manufacturers of these machines having thier kit deemed redundant by record companies? Sony even make the buggers! Let abttle commence. Le Cat Siamese.... > Well here they go again.... > How long will THIS one last before it is cracked? > > http://www.msnbc.com/news/610615.asp?0dm=C11RT&cp1=1 > > Something to ponder.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 06:31:13 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: Re: RH + Alex Trebek Content [100%] He's been featured at least one other time on that show (something about fish.) Obviously, someone who works there is a fan! On Sat, 11 Aug 2001, Jason Miller wrote: > Robyn was featured in a question on Jeopardy last night. The category was > Seattle Business. The answer was something like: > > "Robyn Hitchcock's 1999 song 'Viva SeaTac' featured the line 'Coming and > going it has to be' what?" > > No one got it (except me of course). > > J a s o n S. M i l l e r ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 14:07:07 +0000 From: "Rude Becky of Goldstrum" Subject: Music Interesting article on why humans and animals make music: www.discover.com/aug_10/featmusic.html _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 19:42:51 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: from Randi Passing this along at her request. For those who have been asking/wondering. Call her! Write her! =b __ Hi Bayard ... How goes it? For me, not so great :-( I've been in the hospital - surprise surprise ... Now my grandmother/person I love best in the whole wide world, is having colon cancer surgery Aug 21. Oh - and the place I am living in has been sold, so I have until Sept 30th to find a new place. Which will be kinda hard when I'm going to be in Montreal ... What else - oh - I can't get back on line until I pay Sympatico 500.00. I totally missed out on the Soft Boys stuff - underwater moonlight mp3s - and for all I know Robyn is playing the States again. (I'm just borrowing a friend's computer to write you this letter) I hope you are doing well. I do plan on visiting one day, not tommorow (I wish!) but sometime in the next year I hope I hope I hope! Oh - say 'hi' to your roomie for me - assuming you are in the same place. Send me email and tell me something wonderful - I might not get said email for a week or so - but I will look forward to it next time I get to log on. My number is 416-932-1970 ... just in case you ever need it ... and I will say bye for now. Do say something on the list - if people won't be bored reading about me - I guess they can always skip over the post. Bye bye : ) ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #302 ********************************