From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #300 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, August 9 2001 Volume 10 : Number 300 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: 0% RH DSL question ["Poole, R. Edward" ] Re: a whole...gopher village ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: 0% RH DSL question [Ken Weingold ] Re: 0% RH DSL question [Capuchin ] dsl [melissa ] Re: Christian music..or religious music in general... [grutness@surf4nix.] Roxy Music (no relation to Lorenzo) [Eb ] ps [Eb ] Re: 0% RH DSL / Stoopid Amerikan [steve ] Re: 0% RH DSL question [Terrence Marks ] Re: 0% RH DSL question [Mike Swedene ] Hall Of Fame [Mike Swedene ] Re: Hall Of Fame ["J. Brown" ] LONG Re: Christian music..or religious music in general... [Dolph Chaney ] Is it 25 o'clock again? ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: Hall Of Fame ["Ultimate Goal" ] Adrian, Christians, and Bears, oh my ["Scott McCleary" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:23:20 -0400 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: 0% RH DSL question tell him to go here (or do it for him): http://www.dslreports.com/ I, unfortunately, found out about this site after I had settled on verizon... but at least I found a bunch of folks to commiserate with... - -----Original Message----- From: GSS [mailto:gshell@metronet.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 4:40 PM To: i feel all hot and ouzey Subject: Re: 0% RH DSL question On Wed, 8 Aug 2001, Ken Weingold wrote: > STAY AWAY from Verizon. HTH. Hey, what's up with Verizon? My old man is considering taking the DSL plunge. What should I tell him? - ---------------------- Traffic made me cry as it ended. What a fucking movie. Not as detailed as it possibly could have been, but it hits hard and it hurts, literally. It is a shame that more people are not like Javier. GsS np-veronica e.c. ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or person responsible for delivering this confidential communication to the intended recipient, you have received this communication in error, and any review, use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, copying, or other distribution of this e-mail message and any attached files is strictly prohibited. If you have received this confidential communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail message and permanently delete the original message. To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 15:06:08 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: a whole...gopher village >Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 00:44:27 -0700 >From: "Motherfucking Asshole" > >have returned from the tool/king crimson show. am i the only feg to have >attended a date on this tour? my man quail, you didn't miss it, did you? > >all i can say is, i don't know what to say. the most amazing concert >experience of my life, by a very wide margin. I *tried* to buy tickets for the show in San Diego, but they sold out a bit too quickly, and I was busy getting Radiohead tickets at the time. I've seen the mighty Crim once already during an earlier leg of their "ConstruKCtion of Light" touring, and I really haven't been all that thrilled by any of the Tool I've heard, so I'm not completely disappointed. In fact, I walked out of a A Perfect Circle concert once (the tickets were freebies) because I was bored. My first Crimson show, though, ranks up there as one of the most mind-blowing concert experiences of my life. Speaking of terrific live bands, I saw Echo & the Bunnymen twice in the past two months (Boston and San Diego). Jason ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 18:17:12 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: 0% RH DSL question Here's the link: - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 15:35:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: 0% RH DSL question On Wed, 8 Aug 2001, melissa wrote: > anyone got suggestions for a DSL provider that won't be a headache to > deal with? I'm shopping for one that serves the DC area and where you > can get a static IP. Speakeasy. Hands down. Yeah, maybe you pay a touch more. But you get static IP, they'll do reverse DNS for you and they actually ENCOURAGE running services because they recognize that this is a peer-to-peer network and you are a provider as well as a browser from moment to moment. They're also still privately owned and their CEO is the same guy that said "hmm, I should start a little local ISP" many years ago. The service, on my end, has been excellent. The only outages I experience are my own fault... there might be ONE exception to that, but I've been a Speakeasy DSL customer for two years. I have 8 static IP addresses, all reverse properly. I serve up my own mail, web, etc. I run same for friends and organizations to which I'm sympathetic. I get 1.5Mbps downstream (at a peak) and, I think, 768Kbps up. (By the way, there's a radio station in Portland with the call sign KBPS... I'm SO disappointed they don't take advantage of that.) Oh, and I still owe you a minidisc. > np:IODOT I listened to the first bit of this for the first time in ages the other night. It wasn't optimal listening conditions, but it sure reminded me why I bother. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 23:17:10 -0000 From: melissa Subject: dsl a million thanks for the DSL advice. My computer geek friend who provides me with my web access email and hosts my crappy site is going with Atlantech. Says they get good reviews and are local(DC). Oh yes I've heard many horror stories about Verizon - from spending an hour on hold listening to the best of overplayed classical to 3-5 no shows for install appts. If I start posting from hotmail then you'll know that it didn't work. took in 10 RH cds today in an effort to destress at work. I plan on listening to familiar music non stop now. It's been an interesting couple of weeks. Our division was sold off two weeks ago as part of a "strategic business decision". We still work in the office space with our old company. Four days after we were sold off they laid off about 30% of the remaining staff including lots of people we knew and liked. Our positions in the new company are supposed to be secure for at least a year in the northern va area (our new masters have HQ in Peoria) but after that who knows. Oh well. At least I haven't been laid off yet. Melissa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:21:38 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Christian music..or religious music in general... > The comments about Over the rhine reminded me about another band that >seems to be christian influenced by its members, but fortunately the music >itself seems to be lacking the fanatical edge. I think a musician should >bring all his life long influences to the music, and if that happens to be a >particular religion so be it. strange that in all this talk of music that is Christian inspired without going over the top about it, noone has mentioned a certain fine album. Sure the religious aspect is a bit stronger than on some of those mentioned, but it's certainly not too intrusive. The artist's a guy by the name of Dolph Chaney... James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:39:51 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Roxy Music (no relation to Lorenzo) Well, I just couldn't do it. I couldn't bear to miss Roxy Music. Especially after talking to a friend who said the setlist would be heavily slanted toward "classic" Roxy rather than the Manifesto-High Road years. And after all, I'm already tormented about missing most of this year's Wild Man Fischer show -- I didn't want to double that burden. ;) At first, I was considering doing something I've practically *never* done: just driving up to the Greek Theater and trying to get a last-minute bargain from a scalper desperate to dump his leftover stock. But I decided it would be too much of a downer to drive up there and possibly come back emptyhanded, so I ended up just zipping to my local Ticketmaster station about two hours before the show, and buying a nosebleed seat. Heh. Felt like kind of a dork. I bought the ticket so late that I actually had trouble getting to the venue on time. The ticket said the show started at 7:30, but I didn't get inside the joint until about 8:15. My seat turned out to be literally in the next-to-last row (!), but luckily, the preceding section of seats ($25 more expensive) was about half full so I comfortably found a more centered spot about 20 rows closer. In any case, the Greek has excellent sightlines and isn't vastly big, and there aren't any truly bad seats. My binoculars were a big help, as well. When I arrived, the opening act was already onstage: a dude named Rufus Cartwright, or something like that. I only saw him perform two songs. One repeated the line "I'm a one-man guy" a bunch of times, and the other talked a lot about California. I was interested to learn the latter was actually written five years ago -- I didn't know that. The group was a mere trio with Rufus, a rather hammy backup singer and a redheaded guy named Teddy Thompson whom I hear is the son of racer Mickey Thompson. There was a keyboard set up next to Rufus, but I only heard him play acoustic guitar. The crowd received him enthusiastically -- I'd be curious to hear more material from him. The sky went dark between that set and Roxy Music. A diaphonous black curtain with a large "ROXY MUSIC" logo hid the stage, and was peeled away when the band started. This instantly made me recall the other time I saw Roxy Music in 1983 (my second concert ever) -- then, there was a thick black curtain which simply *dropped* to the floor when the band started playing, as if the rod had broke. This was a damn fine show -- it really felt like the real Roxy Music, and not just a simulation of past greatness. This felt more like "Roxy Music" than the recent Soft Boys reunion felt like "The Soft Boys," I daresay. Or even more than last year's Who show felt like "The Who." I feel disorganized about discussing this show...too many emotions, too many tangents. I'll start with the band. Quite a few people onstage -- the standard lineup was 10, plus an additional female singer at times. Of course, the true members Ferry, Manzanera, MacKay and drummer Paul Thompson were the stars. Other musicians included semi-famous guitarist Chris Spedding, a bassist, the main backup singer (female), a keyboardist, a keyboardist/percussionist (female, somewhat superfluous) and a keyboardist/violinist (what a great casting choice *she* was...she could play Eddie Jobson's violin parts *and* Eno's weirdo licks on an old plugs-and-switchboard synthesizer). There was a projection screen behind the band, which usually showed solarized, black-and-white closeups of the live performers. It also flashed archive Roxy Music photos on occasion, most notably during the opening "Re-make/Re-model." At other times, it showed more typical landscape-type backdrops. Manzanera: a snazzy cream-colored suit which almost looked like Grand Ole Opry wear, and one of those decorative accessory scarves which dangle around both sides of the neck. He had a small 'stache, but no beard. MacKay: purple suit. Ferry: three or four different suits, ranging from black to white to sparkly "lizard skin." The setlist: Twelve of 18 tracks from the recent Best of Roxy Music compilation were played, and I could manage without hearing the other six. (Incidentally, I'm at a total loss to explain why the tepid Flesh & Blood is the only Roxy album which has three tracks on that anthology disc, and why the trite "Over You" and "Oh Yeah" are included but not the absolute *classic* "Editions of You"!) I've heard that "More Than This" was performed on some other nights of this tour, but it was skipped last night. No problem for me, especially since someone told me "Virginia Plain" *wasn't* played the previous night. Great! As far as songs which were delightful surprises, I *never* would have imagined the band would close the show with "For Your Pleasure." A first-rate song, but hardly a mandatory concert staple. That was a major thrill, especially since the live band duplicated those eerie, echoing keyboard notes *so* perfectly. "Ladytron" was another neat, unpredictable choice. "While My Heart is Still Beating" was also unexpected, but not entirely welcome. On the more negative side, I didn't need to hear the overlong, dull "My Only Love" or "Jealous Guy" again, and I *really* didn't need to hear "Oh Yeah" or an extended trio version of the instrumental "Tara" (let's face it...Andy MacKay isn't a notable musician, either creatively *or* technically). As for songs which *weren't* played, the two which stood out in my mind were "The Thrill of It All" and "2 H.B." I think the latter would've been an especially good choice to "contemporize" the group, since this song was used so evocatively in "Velvet Goldmine." Oh well. On a more subjective note, I was skimming my Roxy CDs last night after the show, and thinking how *incredibly* dramatic "Bitter-Sweet" would be onstage. Hmmm. Ferry's voice still sounds great, though he wasn't as strong during the quieter moments. He doesn't quite have that exquisitely delicate vibrato anymore, when trailing off the really soft lines. But that's a minor quibble -- generally, he hasn't lost any of the magic. And his delivery wasn't perfunctory at all -- he still feels this stuff, oh yes. Visually, he continues to rely on that same lurching, bent-kneed, stoop-shouldered sway, which is somewhat awkward but perfectly fits the music's dreamy-chic ambience. Manzanera can still make some wonderful glammy noise, and I don't have a thing to say against him. The left-side keyboardist was an impressive player, most obviously in an extended piano introduction to "A Song for Europe," and I already mentioned the talented violinist. Thompson was essentially perfect, beyond not dressing the part like everyone else. ;) And MacKay was MacKay, grimly switching between oboe ("Ladytron" and "Out of the Blue," I think?) and a few different saxophones as expected. The one tiny negative I felt about the music: During the concert, I was realizing just how many Roxy Music songs end with some basic chord vamp which can easily drift on for minutes. "Jealous Guy," "For Your Pleasure," "My Only Love," "In Every Dream Home a Heartache," etc. And "Tara" is *nothing* but a vamp. There were a few times when I got weary of these extended codas, especially when a couple of those songs were consecutive. But again, that's just a minor quibble. The Nick Cave show back in March is the only other concert I've seen in 2001 which rivals this show's lofty standard. Incidentally, I was just comparing the newly remastered Roxy tracks on the anthology with my old Reprise CDs. There's definitely a difference, though it's both good and bad. The new versions are clearly louder and crunchier, but the volume seems pushed almost to the point of distortion. The old CD mixes sound a little cleaner to me, somehow. So...maybe I won't worry too much about upgrading to the Virgin pressings. I found the greatest positive difference in the tracks from the (somewhat weakly produced) debut album, and I suppose that's predictable. Oh, one final observation: I was both amused and puzzled to see *several* fans (and cars!) sporting slick, professionally printed flyers which said simply "WHERE'S ENO?" in large block letters. I wonder who printed these up, and where they were distributed? Actually, as big an Eno fan as I am, I never sweated over his absence from the reunion. I just don't think he's especially central to Roxy Music's achievements. Frankly, I'd rather see Jobson bouncing through "She Sells" than Eno passively fiddling with knobs (in the present day, at least), and yet no one ever seems to take note of Jobson's contributions to the band or fret about his non-participation in the reunion. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:43:04 -0700 From: Eb Subject: ps Anyone have any Randi Spiegel news? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 20:45:46 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: 0% RH DSL / Stoopid Amerikan So are Red Alert 1 & 2 banging away on DSL the way they are on cable? The data lights on my modem and router have not stopped blinking since last Friday. The Resident Chimp IQ story is getting around - http://english.pravda.ru/main/2001/08/07/11985.html One Reagan down, three to go - Steve __________ If anyone has ever benefited from what Bush has called "the bigotry of soft expectations," it's George W. Bush himself. - Mark Crispin Miller ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 23:34:23 -0400 From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: 0% RH DSL question Ken Weingold wrote: > > saw that DirecTV now has DSL, but I have no idea what > the quality is. They give a static IP, 1.5/384, for $50/month. I was with Telocity until DirecTV bought them out. I never had any trouble with the DSL line itself, but so far getting my old account closed and a new one opened up where I am has taken a week. Their billing department doesn't answer calls or respond to e-mail. Their subscription department took two tries. Their website (which the billing dept's automated message tells you to try using if they don't respond) has been down more than it's been up. On the plus side, they have generally good connectivity and decent newsgroup access; as long as you don't have to deal with the people, they seem good. Update: Finally got through to their billing (after 20 minutes on hold, with music so faint you're never sure if you're even still connected.) Courteous service, though. - -- Terrence Marks http://www.unlikeminerva.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 20:49:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Re: 0% RH DSL question I have (and work) for a cable company and I use their service. Not too bad, but there have been some bugs due to the red worm thingie (Unofficially, but I have friends in the IT department with loose lips). It is odd to think back to the times I wasted on a dial up modem. Is the robyn FTP sight working> I wanted to upload my toronto show up there. Herbie np> Radiohead KID A - --- Terrence Marks wrote: > Ken Weingold wrote: > > > > saw that DirecTV now has DSL, but I have no idea > what > > the quality is. They give a static IP, 1.5/384, > for $50/month. > > I was with Telocity until DirecTV bought them out. > I never had any > trouble with the DSL line itself, but so far getting > my old account > closed and a new one opened up where I am has taken > a week. Their > billing department doesn't answer calls or respond > to e-mail. Their > subscription department took two tries. Their > website (which the > billing dept's automated message tells you to try > using if they don't > respond) has been down more than it's been up. > > On the plus side, they have generally good > connectivity and decent > newsgroup access; as long as you don't have to deal > with the people, > they seem good. > > Update: Finally got through to their billing (after > 20 minutes on hold, > with music so faint you're never sure if you're even > still connected.) > Courteous service, though. > > > -- > Terrence Marks > http://www.unlikeminerva.com Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 23:11:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Hall Of Fame My girlfriend and I went to the rock and roll hall of fame this past monday. Well , WELL worth it if you are a Beatles freak (especially a Lennon fan). They had all sorts of neat stuff like his passport, report cards, hand written lyrics, pictures and drawings from youth to adulthood, several pairs of glasses, as well as his final pair of glasses he wore (when he was shot) and the brown bag of his personal effects. I thought it would be odd and uncomfortable to see these, but there was a point (according to the sign near them) about hand gun violence and no matter how great you are or rich you end up getting all of your belongings returned to your loved ones in a brown non descript bag. Other cool things there (aside from Lennon stuff) was Jim Morrison's cub scout uniform, some of his ealry xmas cards he made for his parents, Bowie outfits, BJORK outfits and other stuff... including a room dedicated to Stuart Sutcliffe stuff. Anyways.... I was wondering. We all have seen Robyn (or at least MOST of us have) a few times. What would we like to see of his in the hall of fame? Hand written lyrics to "Airscape," first acoustic guitar? I think this would be a neat thread. Peace, Love and Lobster Tails! Herbie np> U2 Buffalo Show (May 2001) Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 23:56:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Brown" Subject: Re: Hall Of Fame On Wed, 8 Aug 2001, Mike Swedene wrote: > Anyways.... I was wondering. We all have seen Robyn > (or at least MOST of us have) a few times. What would > we like to see of his in the hall of fame? Hand > written lyrics to "Airscape," first acoustic guitar? > I think this would be a neat thread. id rather see the RnR Hall of Fame and the Experience Music Project fire bombed. It seems kinda silly having all this junk. I can understand collectors wanting to have this or this stuff being in an archive but on display in a museum seems plain silly. Jason Wilson Brown - University of Washington - Seattle, WA "Life boring when you no can die" -Solomon Grundy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 07:13:10 -0500 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: LONG Re: Christian music..or religious music in general... At 11:21 AM 8/9/01 +1200, James Dignan wrote things to make me blush, especially given my admiration for his own work. I did want to weigh in on this, though, because Seth's e-mail on this in particular touched off something to me. In American Christian culture today, there is very little room given to the use of the ol' noggin. The life of the mind just does not seem to matter -- therefore, you end up with great artists like Over The Rhine and the Vigilantes of Love, working outside the CCM ghetto, as well as some of the artists listed below, who have worked within it for decades, become cult artists in a niche market where the term "cult artists" is particularly troublesome, and nonetheless made consistently engaging music with lyrics that dig way deep. This is going to be a long, long message... There is a band called the Lost Dogs, whose four principal members are all leaders of other great bands, in sort of a Wilburys format: Terry Taylor (Daniel Amos, the Swirling Eddies) Mike Roe (the 77s) Derri Daugherty (the Choir) and the late Gene Eugene (Adam Again). Taylor is possibly my greatest influence. I heard my first Daniel Amos album when I was 10, and it stuck. They've been going since '75 and have mutated along the way from country-rock to one great 70s pop-rock album (called _Horrendous Disc_) to a four-album thematic cycle loosely inspired by various C.S. Lewis fictions, with musical backing that's like XTC's _Black Sea_ on the first to (perhaps overly) majestic synth pop on the fourth. Then, they released the one album that I most regret being unavailable on CD, _Darn Floor - Big Bite_. The title comes from Koko, the gorilla that uses sign language, and her description of an earthquake; the point drawn by Taylor is that man's attempts to describe God fall short in the same way. A bit heady for the Sandi Patti crowd. DA has continued on and has just released a new 2-CD set called _Mr. Buechner's Dream_, in tribute to Frederick Buechner (whose books, by the way, I would recommend until my face falls off). http://www.danielamos.com/ The 77s is the most "rawk" of the bunch, having covered, for example, Zeppelin's arrangement of "Nobody's Fault But Mine." Where Terry Taylor is a serious intellectual (with a playful streak), Mike Roe is just a really emotionally honest guy who plays the crap out of an electric guitar. Probably the best starting point would be the _Drowning With Land In Sight_ CD, which is relatively recent and includes most facets of their work. They've done two self-titled CDs (the 2nd of which was originally slated to be called _Pray Naked_ -- imagine why their label objected...), either of which could be called definitive as well. http://www.77s.com/ The Choir would be your choice if you go for texture -- ethereal tremolo guitar, lyricon, big melodic bass lines, and a percussionist on the drums (if that distinction makes sense to you). Their 1990 _Circle Slide_ album is still their finest, but apart from a couple of false starts, their whole catalog is amazingly consistent (and it all just got box-setted!) http://www.the-choir.net/ And then there's Adam Again. Gene Eugene led this band for 10 years, between producing nearly every alternative-market Christian album made in California during that time. The guy sang like Stipe and modelled his lyrical directness on that of Leonard Cohen and Townes Van Zandt. Again, here's a guy with raw emotions that are right there on the surface. Their last 2 albums, _Dig_ and _Perfecta_, were particularly similar to reading your most depressive friend's journal. The music backing this would be something like if the Chili Peppers woke up one morning to find that they had hearts. Gene died in early '99, and he's sorely missed. http://listen.to/adamagain I've blathered more than long enough, but hunting down this material should keep anybody occupied a good while... and I think it's definitely worth it. dolph ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 07:31:24 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Is it 25 o'clock again? I read somewhere (danged if I can remember) that the Dukes of Stratosphear "Chips From The Chocolate Fireball" CD has been remastered and will be re-released. However, I haven't seen it for sale anywhere. Can anybody confirm this? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 09:45:41 -0400 From: "Ultimate Goal" Subject: Re: Hall Of Fame Herbie hooted: >Anyways.... I was wondering. We all have seen Robyn >(or at least MOST of us have) a few times. What would >we like to see of his in the hall of fame? Hand >written lyrics to "Airscape," first acoustic guitar? >I think this would be a neat thread. > >Peace, Love and Lobster Tails! I'd like to see that leather jacket from the Underwater Moonlight/Black Snake Diamond Role days and the tie that was worn nontraditionaly outside the shirt. I've always wondered what happened to the fish heads from the cover of He's A Reptile. I've heard they used to play with them on. Thoth hand watch. Nuppy np Tunnel Into Summer _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 06:55:26 -0700 From: "Scott McCleary" Subject: Adrian, Christians, and Bears, oh my I think Belew worked with Jars of Clay because they presented him with strong material to work with. However you feel about the genre, they are very good songwriters and GREAT vocalists. They may come off as sort of alternalite pretty boys, but they are standouts in a genre I usually find pretty dreadful. THe name's from a bible passage. It's on the CD. www.jarsofclay.com - -- mp3s there for the curious. While I find a lot of his bird and elephant noises stuff plenty grating, I like the fact that Belew is willing to experiment in big ways -- even if the end product comes off as odder than (for him) usual (like with that bar band from Cincinnati he hooked up with a while back). I wonder if I'm the only Feg with both Bears CDs. Lyn and I saw him live oh, probably 10 years ago. Great show. Scott "Complicated Potatoes" McCleary ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 09:10:08 -0500 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Re: Hall Of Fame Subject: Re: Hall Of Fame > >Anyways.... I was wondering. We all have seen Robyn > >(or at least MOST of us have) a few times. What would > >we like to see of his in the hall of fame? Hand > >written lyrics to "Airscape," first acoustic guitar? > >I think this would be a neat thread. > > > >Peace, Love and Lobster Tails! The infamous green pants would have to go. My sister-in-law, who saw the RA show in Chicago with me in '99, still goes on about them if RH is mentioned. Maybe he should wear them at the induction. Michael now wearing...shorts ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #300 ********************************