From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #299 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, August 8 2001 Volume 10 : Number 299 Today's Subjects: ----------------- I dream of Time Machines ["Rude Becky of Goldstrum" ] Worst (re: recent thread) [Eb ] a whole...gopher village ["Motherfucking Asshole" ] reap ["Stewart C. Russell" ] reap [Eclipse ] Friday's Edinburgh Show ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Sunday's Edinburgh Show ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Another funny link [bayard ] 0% RH DSL question [melissa ] Re: 0% RH DSL question [Ken Weingold ] Christian music..or religious music in general... ["Seth Frisby" ] Re: 0% RH DSL question [Ken Weingold ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 20:59:09 +0000 From: "Rude Becky of Goldstrum" Subject: I dream of Time Machines Great techie/word link:http://www.chronicle.com/free/it/jargon.htm - ---- Eb of Almost Christian--I saw that movie. But in RL didnt Cameron Crowe get to travel around at 15 with Tammy Faye Baker? - ---- Ken of deja poo and dreams come true >you only see what you want to see >(i'm guessing); but the subconscious abilities of the brain are >still largely unknown. "A man sees what he wants to see and disregards the rest." One great example of this is the blind spot. We all have one. Literally. A place in our field of vision which our eyes do not perceive. But we can't see our not seeing it because our mind fills it in automatically with what it thinks should be there. There are experiments you can do which locate it, which I have done and are neat Dont remember what they were, but they were neat caused they got you to sense you senses differently. And Ken love your whole post but especially the question--what did Jesus dream? Had never thought of that. Life of Brian perhaps?;-) - ---- Tom You realize what a pregnent woman is exposed to influences the child's personality. "Classy and alittle decedent" perhaps? Call him Bryan. - ---- I have a quandry which may be of interest to Fegsters all over. While driving around northern Vermont, while on the road from Eden to Troy we drove past a building. We screeched to a halt. Mommy jumped out to see if her eyes deceived her. They did not. Katie grabbed her camera and Mommy posed as Katie snapped a picture of her pointing out a sign which said " Hitchcock Memorial Library Museum." To make it even cooler or weirder or whatever, on the building itself it said " 18 Hitchcock Memorial Library Museum 99." I assume that meant founded in 1899, buuuut if one numerically calculated Robyn Rowan Hitchcock you get --99, which added together is 18 which therefore obviously prooves ... nothing whatsoever but wouldnt it make a good start to that top-secret episode of Buffy where Robyn replaces Giles as Watcher. Anyway, have a picture of the building too. This seems like proper Feg material. I mean, obviously the Museum of Robyn Hitchcock(with its library) pre-existed itself, and documentation of its prior and present existance is therefore important scientific evidence that Robyn has finially developed that Time Machine he's always wanted. See, he - -has- been waiting on Festival Pier for centuries. While of course Im sending Scientific America a copy of the 2 photos, perhaps it needs a Feg home too. I assume I can get them properly cropped and scanned at a Kinkos or something(no, we dont own a digital camera.). Should I, could I send them to some kind soul who has a Fegpage of some sort? Or should I just sleep with them under my pillow and see what I dream about? Kay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 22:40:21 +0100 From: martin.fleming@ukonline.co.uk Subject: Re: robynhitchcock.com update Stewart, I've had EXACTLY the same experience with one exception. Somebody along the way at the Fringe office gave me the box office number for Dance Base (0131 225 5525) and told me the venue had its own allocation of tickets. I managed to get through on this number, but was told that this was not the case, and that all the tickets were allocated via the Fringe box office! They don't seem to have any left. It was at this point that I gave up! M ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:31:28 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: almost Christian deja vu >>I didnt know there was >>"'almost-Christian-pop'" that was listenable(love the term >>almost-Christian;-). I think I could be in love here. > >"almost-christian" in that they are christian but that's not the focus of >their music -- at least overtly. kind of in the same way that the innocence >mission are almost-christian (though they are more obviously religious than >over the rhine). I'd say that there is - a lot of Bruce Cockburn's music would fall into the 'almost-Christian-pop' category, and is definitely listenable. Sadly at times he goes over the line into fully Christian pop. One of my favourite NZ singles of the 60s is almost-Christian-pop - Simple Image's "Spinning spinning spinning" >>When we code new events in our brain, we may code it separately as a >>physical event [blah blah blah] hasn't yet occurred. > >jeez! you make it sound like a computer error. there is no spoon. i think >that there's more to it than that. even scully would agree that there's >something to extrasensory perception or whatever you want to call these >phenomenon. I'd agree to some limited extent - as I said, it's just a plausible theory, that's all. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 22:52:59 -0500 From: steve Subject: Jargon Monitor > Applehead n. A professor, student, or administrator who believes the > Apple Macintosh to be the only viable personal computer. We prefer the term "Master Race." - - Steve __________ A New York Times investigation into overseas ballots that helped George W. Bush win the presidency found that Florida election officials, facing intense GOP pressure to accept military votes, counted hundreds of overseas absentee ballots that failed to comply with state election laws. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 23:50:39 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Worst (re: recent thread) In the Beatles newsgroup tonight, I spotted the final results of a "worst song" poll. Here were the bottom 20. 20. What Goes On 19. Octopus' Garden 18. I Wanna Be Your Man 17. Roll Over Beethoven 16. Everybody's Trying To Be My Baby 15. Rock And Roll Music 14. Anna (Go To Him) 13. Flying 12. Dizzy Miss Lizzie 11. Chains 10. Matchbox 9. Act Naturally 8. Don't Pass Me By 7. Honey Don't 6. Revolution 9 5. Mr. Moonlight 4. A Taste Of Honey 3. Wild Honey Pie 2. Dig It 1. Maggie Mae I guess I don't have too many objections. At the very least, #16, #14, #13, #11, #10, #7, #2 and #1 would make my own bottom 20. I suppose "A Taste of Honey," "Dizzy Miss Lizzie" and "Roll Over Beethoven" are the ones which most make me wince and think "Aww, come on...." I guess what *most* surprises me is that "Blue Jay Way" *didn't* make the list. I count *seven* Ringo vocals on that list. Heh. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 00:44:27 -0700 From: "Motherfucking Asshole" Subject: a whole...gopher village have returned from the tool/king crimson show. am i the only feg to have attended a date on this tour? my man quail, you didn't miss it, did you? all i can say is, i don't know what to say. the most amazing concert experience of my life, by a very wide margin. here you go, eb: http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&pb=&ht=1& st=2&query=tool+wiltern&SortProperty=MetaEndSort. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 01:10:36 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Byrne In sort of a last-minute arrangement, I caught David Byrne at the Palace on Monday night. Considering how important Talking Heads is to me, my concert history for Byrne is pretty unimpressive. I never saw Talking Heads, and I've seen Byrne just once and that was in (wow, that long ago?) 1994. Walking into the Palace entrance, I was also struck by how "unfamiliar" the venue seemed. Checking my archives, I noted that I haven't been to the Palace in over a year, since an Elliott Smith show last June. The Palace used to have a steady stream of good concerts, but not so much in recent times. The El Rey Theater grabs a lot of the bands who formerly would play at the Palace, and the Palace appears much more interested in courting the DJ dance-music crowd nowadays. Too bad, because it's a nice place to see a show. Despite the dreaded bathroom attendants. The opening band was one of Byrne's new Luaka Bop acts, Si Se. I believe they're from New York. The lineup was a Mexican female singer, a black female violinist (waist-length dreadlocks) and four Ordinary White Dudes. The singer had a certain cheery grace/charisma and was a big hit with the crowd, but I was ambivalent. Seemed like just another symptom of Byrne's apparent belief that almost any music becomes interesting if it only has an extra set of conga drums or handheld percussion. I kept getting creepy flashbacks of Sade. The sound wasn't that sterile and conservative, but it wasn't as tuneful either. Just a bunch of uncatchy grooves, with the vocalist wailing elongated lines on top. Her lyrics were part English and part Spanish, but she was difficult to understand since all the words were so drawn-out with sustained vowels. Byrne came onstage a little after 10 pm. I was looking forward to seeing what wacky outfit he would wear, but he was only wearing a gas-station-attendant-style Luaka Bop shirt which was readily available at the merchandise table (for a tidy $35). Byrne is all gray now, but that's not news to anyone who has seen his current album cover. He used the Stop Making Sense format again, where the band gradually expanded. At first, it was just him and a bassist for a few songs. Then, it was him plus a bassist, drummer and percussionist (surprisingly, there was never a keyboardist, though the percussionist had some sequencer boxes and things at his disposal). Then, midway through the set, a six-person string section entered and played for the rest of the night. Four violins, two cellos. All of them looked a bit "green" and still in their '20s -- perhaps Byrne was giving a break to some younger players. If so, good for him. Or maybe they were just cheaper to hire. ;) The crowd was quite fanatical, and the house was nearly full. I was in the thick of the close-to-stage crunch for most of the show, but eventually bailed out for the back of the room. I was getting a headache. I can't remember the last time I've been to a show which had such a heavy concentration of Guys Who Yell "WOOOOOOOO!!" Perhaps Byrne still retains a bit of that fratboy audience he grabbed circa Stop Making Sense/Speaking in Tongues, I dunno. The offenders seemed about the right age for that demographic. But it really became irritating, especially since I found myself within a few feet of three of the loudest participants. There was also plenty of singing along with the lyrics, but I found that easier to ignore. Of course, the big question is "What did he play by Talking Heads?" I counted six Heads songs: "Nothing But Flowers," "And She Was," "Once in a Lifetime," "Sex and Violence" (an odd, rather unsatisfying choice), "This Must Be the Place" and "Life During Wartime." I think those are in order -- "Life During Wartime" was definitely one of the encores. Plus, he played "What a Day That Was" from The Catherine Wheel, which is a Talking Heads song by any other name. Some of these versions were excellent, others were missing the Heads' infectious sense of goony celebration. "And She Was" and "Nothing But Flowers" seemed rather workmanlike compared with the Heads versions, and "This Must Be the Place" lost some of its sweet simplicity because of the added string parts. However, "Once in a Lifetime" *smoked*, despite the notable loss of that bizarre, swirling keyboard loop in the verse. Another notable item from the setlist: an encore cover of a song called (I think?) "I Wanna Dance With Somebody" by (I think?) Whitney Houston. Wow, what's up with *that*? I just remember that old video, where Whitney tried for the first and last time to dance "funky" and looked comically awkward.... (I guess she learned her lesson, since she has stuck to a gliding, classy-diva style ever since.) As for the rest of Byrne's set, well, are there really any solo Byrne songs which everyone *has* to hear? Doesn't seem like it. I couldn't come up with the other titles, even if I tried. I liked hearing "Marching Through the Wilderness" off Rei Momo, which is one of my personal favorites. There was also at least one song ("Buck Naked") off his self-titled 1994 album, which I still think is one of *the* underrated discs of the '90s. I'm not a big fan of Byrne's new album Look Into the Eyeball (really, I'm not a big fan of *any* Byrne album except The Catherine Wheel and the self-titled one), but of course he played tracks from that disc. One final point: Byrne's voice is aging very, very well. Better than some other 50somethings who have/had more respected, "traditional" voices. So, good for Dave. He talked off and on between songs, and was amusing and friendly. He has a really nice smile, in those rare occasions when he decides to use it.... After the Byrne show, I sped over to the Viper Room for "Camaro Night," featuring those amusing '80s-metal parodyists Metal Shop. If you've seen that Discovery Card commercial with "Danger Kitty," that's the same set of musicians. I don't have the required soft spot for that era of music (blecch), but I still get a kick out of Metal Shop's act. Their staged quarrels are convincing and funny, and would probably fool any audience member who isn't in on the joke. There were some WWF wrestlers in the house, but hell if I can remember who. The Dudley Brothers? X-Pac? Also, the formerly famous Rikki Rachtmann (sp?). More reportage to come, tomorrow. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 09:07:43 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: reap Larry Adler: Baltimorean, cyclist, writer of amusing letters to newspapers, and not bad* on the chromatic harp. http://news6.thdo.bbc.co.uk/low/english/entertainment/music/newsid_198000/198252.stm Stewart (*: that's Scottish reserve. If you've never heard Adler play, you wouldn't believe what this man could get a moothie to sound like.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 02:07:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Eclipse Subject: reap Lorenzo Music, voice of Carlton the Doorman and Garfield, among others, writer, and comedian: http://www.cnn.com/2001/SHOWBIZ/TV/08/08/obit.music.ap/index.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Eclipse | eclipse@best.com If this is not what you expected, please alter your expectations. "i guess one person can make a difference - but most of the time, they probably shouldn't." - Marge Simpson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 10:39:14 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Friday's Edinburgh Show Having arrived outrageously early (nervous about finding a discreet place to rig up the MD recorder) I was lurking about on George St avoiding the flyer-handing-out-people when a taxi pulls up. A tall, rather distracted individual steps out with two guitars and a flight case. He looks around for assistance; no-one official around. So I offer help, and lug the flight case round to the venue. We also got photographed together for the Fringe magazine. You just know who'll be cropped out. Setlist: Don't Talk To Me About Gene Hackman *The Last Thing To Die is Your Feelings Arms Of Love *Unprotected Love (Poss titled "You're So Hard") Victorian Squid Bass I Saw Nick Drake Cheese Alarm I Often Dream Of Trains Autumn Is Your Last Chance Queen Of Eyes You And Oblivion Freeze (no encores) New songs are marked *; lyricsmaniax will be pleased to know that "The Last Thing To Die is Your Feelings" is an instrumental. A fine show, with Robyn on good stumble-about-the-stage form. - -- Stewart C. Russell Senior Analyst Programmer stewart@ref.collins.co.uk Collins Dictionaries use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Bishopbriggs, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 10:52:36 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Sunday's Edinburgh Show Arrived mob-handed with Catherine and an Edinburgh-based friend. Also met up with Jonathan Turner, who I'd met the night before (NB: I owe JT* beer...). Setlist: Mexican God The Devils Coachman ... some stuff I can't remember (drat cheap branded MD media!) when I was dead Raining Twilight Coast 1974 Chinese Bones My Wife And My Dead Wife *The Feelings Are The Last Things To Die (same instrumenta; as Friday's, but he said the title differently) She Doesn't Exist Any More I Feel Beautiful Madonna Of The Wasps *unfinished-untitled (refrain starts like "looking for La Charitie", or something -- recognise it?) (new songs asterisked; have fun with the lyrics for the last one) ...and then a Soft Boys song, which we had to miss 'cos we'd miss our only way home for the night. Hope we didn't piss off too many people by sodding off early. Highlight: Robyn stares off into middle distance, all the while murmurring, "Meat... Meat..." Yet another fine show with hilarious banter. My associates were most taken with Robyn, with Catherine beginning to understand what the fuss is all about. *: Jonathan gave Robyn some pictures from the Clerkenwell gig on the Saturday, and we had a minichat. - -- Stewart C. Russell Senior Analyst Programmer stewart@ref.collins.co.uk Collins Dictionaries use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Bishopbriggs, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 07:25:37 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: Re: Another funny link > The Horror... > > http://www.sendthisnow.com/html/childabuse.html y'know what's REALLY funny? my sister sent this graphic to my mom (without explanation, other than "the Mullet family") and Mom didn't see anything wrong! ha! such innocence.... (Mom has normal hair, btw) =b ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 19:56:09 -0000 From: melissa Subject: 0% RH DSL question anyone got suggestions for a DSL provider that won't be a headache to deal with? I'm shopping for one that serves the DC area and where you can get a static IP. thanks Melissa np:IODOT ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 16:16:44 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: 0% RH DSL question On Wed, Aug 8, 2001, melissa wrote: > anyone got suggestions for a DSL provider that won't be a headache to deal > with? I'm shopping for one that serves the DC area and where you can get a > static IP. I use Earthlink, and for the most part they are great. Dynamic IP though. Not sure about getting a static from them. Everyone loves Speakeasy, and they give a static IP, but they are a lot more expensive. I saw that DirecTV now has DSL, but I have no idea what the quality is. They give a static IP, 1.5/384, for $50/month. STAY AWAY from Verizon. HTH. - -Ken NP: New Order - Get Ready ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 16:37:57 -0400 From: "Seth Frisby" Subject: Christian music..or religious music in general... hey All, The comments about Over the rhine reminded me about another band that seems to be christian influenced by its members, but fortunately the music itself seems to be lacking the fanatical edge. I think a musician should bring all his life long influences to the music, and if that happens to be a particular religion so be it. It just better not be the only influence or aim of your music or you'll be one dimensional indeed. The particular band i'm referring to is Elbow, an album I ordered from HMV.com this week (the only way to avoid import prices)..At the bottom of the booklet info it says published by Salvation music, with the T in salvatoin taking the form of a cross. This surprised me because after listening to it a few times I hadn't made any connection really other than one jesus mention, but everyone likes talking about him for some reason, even atheists. It's actually a fairly dark album throughout, with some fairly downcast lyrics, unlike the light and bubbly kind of lyrics most christian rock seems to espouse. Does anyone know anything about Salvation music and whether or not it is a christian label, because I don't want to talk to much and later learn its really a satanic children's label. Good album though, I particluarly like the lead singer's Peter Gabriel-ish voice. Oh and does anybody know why Adrian Belew enjoys producing young christian rock bands like Jars of Clay? (which I guess is a reference to the jars the dead sea scrolls were found in) He recently produced another one whose name I cannot recall at the moment. I wonder how much music we miss because its made for such a religious clique that we regard it as pure propaganda? While we try to stick to more middle of the road skeptics who stay away from such posturing. I mean we have no problem listening and loving those artists with extreme politically leaning music, why then does religious politics polarize us so? I suppose its the skill involved that moves me, for if someone decides to make sprititually leaning music by poetically showing me its agenda, instead of bluntly proposing its intent dogmatically, then i'm much more likely to enjoy and agree with their ideas. Robyn seems to be one of those who show's his spiritual side in more oblique and poetic terms, even though he seems to have slipped up in the religious monologue on Storefront a bit;). Well thought I'd let you all into my inner monologue this muggy muggy afternoon..I'm off to the water hole myself... Seth of Frisby p.s. I think Jars of Jam would be a great name for a band myself. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 15:39:45 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Re: 0% RH DSL question On Wed, 8 Aug 2001, Ken Weingold wrote: > STAY AWAY from Verizon. HTH. Hey, what's up with Verizon? My old man is considering taking the DSL plunge. What should I tell him? - ---------------------- Traffic made me cry as it ended. What a fucking movie. Not as detailed as it possibly could have been, but it hits hard and it hurts, literally. It is a shame that more people are not like Javier. GsS np-veronica e.c. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:15:44 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: 0% RH DSL question On Wed, Aug 8, 2001, GSS wrote: > On Wed, 8 Aug 2001, Ken Weingold wrote: > > STAY AWAY from Verizon. HTH. > > Hey, what's up with Verizon? My old man is considering taking the DSL plunge. > What should I tell him? Tell him to stay as far away from Verizon as possible. First, they only give I think up to 640k, where many, including Earthlink, for the same price, give 1.5. Plus, there is a huge class-action suit against them due to their service, or lack thereof. There was a web site all about it, but this is all I could find right now: http://www.bostonherald.com/business/technology/ver01182001.htm I think Verizon's big thing is that many people think that they can only get DSL from their local phone company, and of course Verizon would love to have you believe that. I'd recommend Earthlink. - -Ken ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #299 ********************************