From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #295 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, August 3 2001 Volume 10 : Number 295 Today's Subjects: ----------------- BBC News | UK | In search of a quick lie-down [1% RH, 70% recumbent] ["St] Re: Starflashing ["Ultimate Goal" ] Re: robynhitchcock.com update ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: robynhitchcock.com update [HAL ] Re: robynhitchcock.com update ["JH3" ] sb treeing ["jill@lightfallsdesign.com" ] [none] ["Rude Becky of Goldstrum" ] Stools a go-go [Eb ] Re: Poul Anderson [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Beatles, deja vu and slugs [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] I've always been a rolling stone [Michael Wolfe ] RE: Beatles, deja vu and slugs ["Brian Huddell" ] RE: Beatles, deja vu and slugs ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: BBC News | UK | In search of a quick lie-down [1% RH, 70% recumbent] [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Stools a go-go ["Sweet & Tender Hooligan" ] Re: Stools a go-go [dmw ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 14:31:25 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: BBC News | UK | In search of a quick lie-down [1% RH, 70% recumbent] If you look here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1466000/1466332.stm, about 3/4 of the way down, there's a picture of Nick Green's recumbent. You can *just* make out the inscription on the fairing, which can only have one source... Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 09:46:43 -0400 From: "Ultimate Goal" Subject: Re: Starflashing Well maybe the cover of hi-fidelity got me thinking John Cusack would make a good Lennon. I dunno. But hell! Saying that was worth the story it produced from you! Good one! Cheers! Nuppsta >>Nuppy: > >>I always thought John Cusack would make a good John Lennon. Kay: >O wonderful Ultymate Goal, it pains me to say this but-- you outa youre >fucking mind:-)?!? > >Lennon had face. He started out with alot of face-- crooked teeth, honker >of >a nose, heavy jaw. Over time all this got whittled down but even so--there >was still strong bone structure there. > >Hmm-dilemma ... > >Now here I am--face to face with my second waiting on a celebrity at >Rizzoli's tale in less than a week. Do I dodge it decouraously, sniff >politely about privacy and say something coy ...or do I barge right in and >blurt it all out. > >Heh, heh. Which do you think? (All of you who disapprove of such things , >well--hit delete now.) > >So there I am on a winter's afternoon in the front room of the old >Rizzolis, >dressed slightly eccentriquelly in what I then called half drag(this -was- >the 70s.) My hair pulled back , button down shirt, scarf as tie, man's >vest, >jacket and then a femme gauzzy pouffy skirt over bad girl very high-heeled >black platform boots. As a final touch my great-grandfathers Phillippe >Paticke pocket watch with its chain dangling thru a vest button-hole into a >pocket. I was quite the dandy. > >So--across the room is a guy looking at a book. A handsome guy. A handsome >guy with brown hair in a nondescript brown coat. Good features. My type. Im >about to go over and flirt when in a flash of instentanious enlightenment I >take in the female next to him. The small, asian woman wearing the biggest >fur coat Id ever seen with a monster of a fur hat. An outfit screaming >money, which went well with the neon sign on her head flashing "Yoko Ono." >Looked back at the cute guy. Oh my fucking God. > >Now I grew up in NY with a minor local celebrity as a godfather, with Judy >Garland having some sort of seizure in my parents living room on Christmas >afternoon when I was about 12(scared the hell out of me)and in short all >sorts of celebrity encounters. I prided myself on being fairly unfazable >but >here I was totally, utterly fazed, feet glued to the ground. > >At which point some weird voice in my head(it -must- have been those pesky >Martians again) said--"you were going to flirt with him when he was just a >cute guy. Why penalize him just for being John Lennon." And somehow I >launched myself across that floor and started to talk to him. What we said >I >cant remember. It had something to do with the book in his hand. I was >amazed I was acting coherently. He seemed pleased. > >Yoko came over. She wanted a copy of an eastern classic which had just come >out in a new edition--"Tales of the Genjie." She didnt want a >possibly-handled one from off the table. Nooooo -- she wanted one from, as >she pointed vertically--"up there" > >"Up there" was the display area above what was basicailly a 16-foot or so >bookcase. We had a nice easy, on runners ladder for the top shelves. But >for >the part over the tall, percipitous cornice--well, there was a rickity >death-trap ladder kept over in the corner. > >Getting the ladder(something told me that trying to reason with Ono on the >suitability of one of the copies on the table could well end in my >dismissel)I set it up, looking, Im sure, suitably trepidatious since Lennon >asked me if I would like him to hold the uneven vechicle of my immenent >demise. > >So up I went in those high high heels, keeping my feet jammed agaisnt the >side of the ladder in an attempt to steady myself. I finially reached the >top, reached over and gained my prize at which point I looked down at >Lennon, who was smiling up at me. > >Back on earth I rung them up. Lennon, still smiling asked me the time and I >had a wonderful moment of well--satisfaction. Cause if Lennon, for all his >legion of Im sure quite horrible character traits personified anything in >our culture--it was the authenticity of the truelly fucked-up, all the >creative cripples trying to hooble their way thru a world of posers and >pedents. Well--so it felt to me. So,pulling my watch out I must have beamed >as I read the time out to him from it. Yes, it worked. No, it wasnt just an >affectation. It, like me, was the true gen. He seemed pleased. They left, >with him still smiling. > >And thats that folks. Except for one, oh --little-- detail. Remember how >this was the seventies. Well--I didnt quite describe my whole outfit. >Or rather I did, but I neglected to mention that --drumroll please... > > >I wasnt wearing any underwear. > > >OK everybody, you can throw shoes at me now. > >Kay > > > > > > > >Anyway, Lennon was a handsome guy, handsome in a face way, not a nothing >anyone could ever dislike about my face, what did they do with my nose, >bland, botox all personality away way-- which is how Cusack looks to me. >Now--he may be a great actor, I dont really remember seeing him in anything >so I cant judge that. But Cusack is -not- memorable-looking and Lennon was. > >My--that sure got my huff-factor going;-). Well-- I just really liked the >way Lennon looked. I liked that most of the great 60s music people weren't >really pretty boys. Back then ... they had faces. Oy. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 14:53:54 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: robynhitchcock.com update > on a related note, the edinburgh festival site is only listing the august > 3rd and 4th shows now. i'm not sure if this means that tickets are no > longer available for the show on the 5th, if it has been cancelled or if > the edfringe site is is just confused. The edfringe box office has sold out (did I not tell the list this?) but the assembly rooms still have some. Sunday sold out quick 'cos they're doing a 2-for-1. I'll do my best to record the 24th BBC thing, though it'll be off a clockwork radio... Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 10:23:08 -0400 From: the other white meat Subject: Re: robynhitchcock.com update when we last left our heroes, the other white meat exclaimed: >* 24 august, radio 3 w/ andy kershaw, 22:15 (recorded live at the edinburgh > festival, 22 august) [well, that's what it says, but i dunno what this is > since robyn is supposed to play edinburgh on august 3-5 and he played last > year's festival on august 25-27; i'm asking david for clarification.] did some digging and it appears that kershaw's program will be a special show taped at the festival on 22nd and broadcast on the 24th. free tickets are available for the taping by calling the radio 3 info line at 08700 100 300. woj ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 10:43:37 -0600 From: HAL Subject: Re: robynhitchcock.com update > per the auditorium, : > > robyn will be on bbc radio twice in august: > > * 18 august, radio 2 w/ mark lamarr, 11:00 [presumably sitting in for > johnathan ross] > > * 24 august, radio 3 w/ andy kershaw, 22:15 (recorded live at the edinburgh > festival, 22 august) > also, two new soft boys shows: > > * 15 september, evershot village hall, dorset > * 18 october, the square, harlow, essex I sure wish we had a way to tree and distribute this stuff as it happens. What ever happened to the PERMATREE concept? "shallow" /hal http://www.upcomingmovies.com/shallowhal.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:32:36 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: robynhitchcock.com update > I sure wish we had a way to tree and distribute this stuff as it > happens. What ever happened to the PERMATREE concept? It became the subject of a complex web-based automation effort, I'm afraid. It was handed to Jeme, who sat on it for a while, and then it was handed to me, and now I'm sitting on it for a while. My original target date for at least a demo of the whole thing was July 4, but for various personal/job- related reasons I've had to move that back somewhat. Sorry about that, folks! Eventually it'll get done... But in the meantime, I would *not* wait if I were someone wanting to start a tape/CD-R tree for Robyn/SB's stuff, impromptu or otherwise. John "totally obliterated" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:36:33 -0400 From: "jill@lightfallsdesign.com" Subject: sb treeing Bayard and I are actually still working on tree #2 for the Soft Boys tour -- getting the masters for the tree is being a slow process. I'm handling this one "manually, the same way we did SB tree #1. But for anything besides this at the moment, it would probably be a good idea for someone to jump in and organize a tree themselves. And one day, a "permatree" will appear. It's a rather big project, so we need to give it some time to be worked out. Meanwhile, the old fashion way will have to suffice. jill - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 18:58:50 +0000 From: "Rude Becky of Goldstrum" Subject: [none] From white rabbit's very important date: >I can teach you from the very first step of knowing >what to wear to attract a woman no matter what you look like You know-- you really gotta wonder. I mean, what ever it is, would it work for the giant crab? - --- Nat: >Kay, you can be a chela-Nat, if only I knew what that was. Its the student of a guru. You know I rely on you people here for recs.:-) >kill me now But I cant. Then no more recs. Congrats on the demo. - --- Susan Thanks for link. Amazing. - --- Steve--thanks for the Sam Phillips link. - --- Jason: >I know nothing about this man(Poul Anderson)other than his books are > >always next to Isaac Asimov's. Which of his books should i read? He was never one of my faves but I think "Three Hearts and Three Lions" is considered on of his standard works. KaY _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:28:35 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Stools a go-go Hi all, Saw the Cowboy Junkies last night for the first time ever, at the Anaheim House of Blues (on the Downtown Disney grounds). Not the endurance test which I was expecting -- the real agony was opening act Tim Easton, some overly earnest folkie with a practiced raspy voice who never got past Dylan's early troubadour phase. That's the type of stuff which makes me want to put my head through a wall. You could see every chord change coming a mile away, and *almost* every song had the exact same mood. I was restlessly pacing all over the joint, during that set. I enjoyed the Junkies more than I predicted. The key was probably guitarist Michael Timmins, who has a certain SF-psychedelia aspect to his onstage style which I didn't expect. Two or three songs veered pretty sharply into that vein -- one extended jam sounded quite similar to the Doors' "The End." The show didn't seem "acoustic" at all. There were six people onstage, plus an intermittent female backup singer who's apparently also the vocalist of Over the Rhine (I guess this band has a strong following *somewhere*, if you look hard enough). The Junkies have an attractive performance layout, with most of the members perched on small, calico-carpeted "islands." The bassist was the only member who stood throughout the set. Singer Margo (who still has a great head o' hair, yup) was about half up and half on a stool, depending on how extroverted the song was. She also gives great "sway" during instrumental breaks, sensually sweeping her hands and hips with her back to the audience. She talked several times between songs and seemed like a nice woman, but it always felt kinda forced. Anecdotes she has probably been using throughout the tour. She did mention that The Caution Horses is her favorite Junkies album - -- OK, that's information worth knowing. Thankfully, there wasn't too much oppressive "WE LOVE YOU, MARGO!" ecto-cloy in the air, but when I moved from the upper deck to the floor for the second half of the set, I started to hear more of that. Also, one person pushed a thank-you card onstage which Margo read, and another actually brought her a large Tupperware bin of cookies. An additional fan had evidently brought her a big plate of pastries, on the previous night. Ugh. (Frankly, if I was a public figure, I'd be a bit nervous about eating food given to me by complete strangers.) The set lasted about a hour and a half. As far as I know, there were no covers until the very end. The last song of the proper set was Dylan's "If You Gotta Go, Go Now," which is also on the group's recent self-released outtake collection. Then, the first of two encore songs was Brooce's "Thunder Road," which made me laugh because that's the *second* time I've heard that song this year (the first being at the recent Badly Drawn Boy show, you might recall). Damn good version of "Thunder Road" too, though they simplified the fade-out vamp a bit. It was a fairly solitary night for me, because as I expected, there wasn't a single familiar face in this crowd. Not my usual scene. I doubt it was a sell-out, but it was full enough that moving around was less comfortable than I prefer. The indoor area holds about 950 people (counting both levels), and I'd say it was about 85% full. The "flow" would be much more smooth, if there wasn't a barricaded dance floor with only two access entrances. As a result, you always feel cramped, either on the floor, against the bar counters or against the back wall. Ditto for the upper deck, which has an unnecessary "VIP" balcony wrapped around the front edge. Sitting there feels like being in a jury box, and you're constantly worried about blocking the view of the people immediately behind you in the public area. I noted one of the VIP-security dudes was really *working* his gig, too...eventually letting in all sorts of un-badged cuties into the private area while flirting outrageously with them. Not much else to say -- the parking for this venue sure is refreshingly easy (and free), compared with most Hollywood spots. And of course, I adore the shorter drive. I've never been a big Cowboy Junkies fan, but I've dutifully acquired almost all of their albums (except for the aforementioned outtakes collection and Pale Sun, Crescent Moon...which are on my peripheral shopping list). I don't have their new album Open yet, but will get it shortly. Amazing that even the Cowboy Junkies are off the major-label circuit, now. Turns out I'm going out again, tonight. Somehow, I didn't find out until *today* that Ruby is playing at the Roxy -- yikes! Another of my pivotal haven't-seen-yet acts. I made last-minute arrangements, and things seem to have worked out. I also might be stopping by the nearby Viper Room, afterwards -- there's a semi-secret show by a certain UK-punk legend and his current band. If Ruby's set runs late, I'll probably be wondering "Should I stay, or should I go?" Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 12:34:38 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Poul Anderson >> Poul Anderson > >I know nothing about this man other than his books are always next to >Isaac Asimov's. Which of his books should i read? difficult, because a lot of his books are part of series. Perhaps "The High Crusade" would be a reasonable start, or one of his short story collections (there's one simply called The Best of Poul Anderson, but how well it lives uto its title I'm not sure). James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 12:35:18 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Beatles, deja vu and slugs >Then you may well enjoy "The Hours and Times," tho' Brian Epstein (in real >life and as depicted in the film) wasn't exactly young. he wasn't exactly ancient either. He was only about six years older than Lennon. Talking of the names behind the scenes in the 60s, I'm busy reading Simon Napier-Bell's amazing "You don't have to say you love me" at the moment. The picture of him on the cover looks unnervingly like our very own Robyn H. >that's what i call deja vu. i get it pretty frequently, though i seldom >remember my dreams in the morning. last week i had one when i was at a >solidarity strike for the nurses at brockton, ma. it makes you wonder just >what choice we have in our actions if we can see it happening in our dreams >before it comes to pass. just try and change your fate, i dare ya! there's actually a reasonable explanation for all this, which is unproven, but quite plausible (and which I'll no doubt be unable to put into words properly...). When we code new events in our brain, we may code it separately as a physical event and a chronological event - that is, we may encode what happens in one way, and when in another. The latter coding may not always register properly. While something is happening to us, it may be instantaneously encoded with the wrong chronological information, and instantly recalled as something that has happened to us at some time in the past. This also explains why in deja vu cases we cannot say exactly what will happen next other than some ominous feeling that 'something' happens. We can't rtecall it because it hasn't yet occurred. >Are you trying to warn me that instead of guarding my Dahlia's with >the slug-pubs(great term)Im opening a slug hotel? salt. sprinkle salt all arnd the plants. Dries the slugs up. Even better, try to encourage hedgehogs - they loove slugs! James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 17:25:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Wolfe Subject: I've always been a rolling stone http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1466000/1466332.stm Check out the caption on the side of the streamliner, 7th picture down, near the end of the story. Hot damn! Another link between HPVer's and Robyn Hitchcock fans, other than myself and (until recently, sniff) Stewart Russell. Cool. - -Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 20:18:40 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Beatles, deja vu and slugs > Even better, try to encourage hedgehogs - they loove slugs! > > James I'll bite. How, exactly, does one encourage hedgehogs? I mean besides having lots of slugs around. +brian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 21:47:03 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: RE: Beatles, deja vu and slugs >I'll bite. How, exactly, does one encourage hedgehogs? I mean besides >having lots of slugs around. > >+brian Well, I can tell you with great certainty that living in New Jersey does not encourage them. The only ones here live in cages. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 23:37:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: BBC News | UK | In search of a quick lie-down [1% RH, 70% recumbent] "Stewart C. Russell" wrote: > If you look here: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1466000/1466332.stm, about > 3/4 of the way down, there's a picture of Nick Green's recumbent. You > can *just* make out the inscription on the fairing, which can only > have one source... > > Stewart plus, he has a picture of Muttley in the window!!! ===== "Loyalty to a petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul." -- Mark Twain "The divinity of Jesus has been made a convenient cover for every absurdity." -- John Adams "The jury is the last line of defense against corporate misconduct." -- Craig McDonald, Texans for Public Justice Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:19:18 -0700 From: "Sweet & Tender Hooligan" Subject: Re: Stools a go-go > There were six people > onstage, plus an intermittent female backup singer who's apparently also > the vocalist of Over the Rhine (I guess this band has a strong following > *somewhere*, if you look hard enough). You've just won the "Understatement of the Year" award. :) OTR is one of the best bands currently making music, hands down, no arguments (that means *you* ). They've released 3 records on IRS, 3 independently, and their latest is on Virgin/Back Porch. They're phenomenal, and I /highly/ recommend them to anyone. Seeing them in concert is an orgasmic experience. They tour like workhorses (often with the Junkies, or Athens-based Vigilantes of Love), so if you ever get a chance to see them, don't miss it. I'll refund your money if you don't like it. Anyway, you can go to www.overtherhine.com for more info, including how to order. Their best album is, IMO, "Good Dog, Bad Dog", but you really can't go wrong with any of the titles. Also, they post an mp3 on the site each month, and this month's is particularly good. :) Strong follower, paul christian glenn | pcg@runbox.com "Born an actor, what a foolish line I am so fond of saying: I've no regrets." - Gene Eugene ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:24:33 -0700 From: "Sweet & Tender Hooligan" Subject: Re: Stools a go-go > They tour like workhorses (often with the Junkies, or > Athens-based Vigilantes of Love) Oy, I forgot - they've also toured with Dylan, twice. paul christian glenn | pcg@runbox.com "This understanding cannot be changed except in writing by an authorized company official." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:20:02 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: Stools a go-go On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Sweet & Tender Hooligan wrote: > > There were six people > > onstage, plus an intermittent female backup singer who's apparently also > > the vocalist of Over the Rhine (I guess this band has a strong following > > *somewhere*, if you look hard enough). > > You've just won the "Understatement of the Year" award. :) > > OTR is one of the best bands currently making music, hands down, no > arguments (that means *you* ). They've released 3 records on IRS, 3 This sorta argument never does very well with Eb, though. For what it's worth, I saw 'em live (opening for the Vigilantes of Love, in fact, bit of an odd bill...) with no real expectations and was very favorably impressed. I can't say I spend a lot of time with the records, but the live show was tight & energetic, with none of the fussiness that can plague that sort of thing. I didn't find being mostly unfamiliar with the material any impediment. (I've played their new record three or four times; I remember only that I enjoyed listening to it but didn't feel like I had anything useful to say about it.) - -- d. = i do what i am told. i am not opinionated. i accept without | dmw@ = questioning. i do not make a fuss. i am a good consumer. |radix.net = pathetic-caverns.com * fecklessbeast.com * shoddyworkmanship.net ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #295 ********************************