From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #293 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, August 1 2001 Volume 10 : Number 293 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Minidisc [Mike Swedene ] Re: Minidisc [Capuchin ] Re: The Shitty Beatles ["Stewart C. Russell" ] a new view on the world [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Das Bootles [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Three Women and the Fab Four [Jill Brand ] Re: JJB [steve ] Beatlefilm [Natalie Jane Jacobs ] big Nipp on Ebay ["Ultimate Goal" ] Das Boodles n tonic ["Rude Becky of Goldstrum" ] Re: JJB [Mike Swedene ] Re: Slug attack [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Slug attack ["Rude Becky of Goldstrum" ] Re: Slug attack [lj lindhurst ] Dead Cockroaches Are Smelly, Q.E.D. [Tom Clark ] Eat the giant crab ["Poole, R. Edward" ] deja vu redux: Elliott Smith dream [Carole Reichstein ] Re: big Nipp on Ebay ["Motherfucking Asshole" ] Re: Robyn at edfringe.com, 3-5 August ["Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Minidisc I just got a minidisc recorder but I am looking for a mic. Anyone have one they want to unload to a fellow feg? Or any direction to go into>? All help, as always, wether list directed or other is always appreciated :*) Herbie ps - I HATE Kansas City/Hey Hey.... almost as annoying as jar jar Binks. Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 00:45:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Minidisc On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Mike Swedene wrote: > I just got a minidisc recorder but I am looking for a mic. Anyone > have one they want to unload to a fellow feg? Or any direction to go > into>? I get good sound and surprisingly good stereo separation out of my little Sony ECM-717. I know Michael Wolfe used the same mic until recently. It's not as expensive, but also not as concealable as the little cartioids that eddie "the terrible" tews uses. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:51:24 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: The Shitty Beatles Glen Uber wrote: > > >Anyone else wanna try? > > In no particular order: <> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:35:33 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: a new view on the world >When the sky is such a bright blue you think you can see white and >indigo bits pulsing thru it. > >Looking at an object and seeing its complementry color at the rim. > >Stare at a candle or mirror(or probobly anything) for awhile, >empty your mind. After abit you start half seeing/half-creating images. I >can get great color effects this way which will influence my painting. > >When your eyes are tired and the lighting has intense chioroscura, >same sorta effect, especially in terms of color. a couple of references for anyone interested in this sorta stuff: - - Coren, S., & Girgus, J. S. (1978). Seeing is deceiving: The psychology of visual illusions. Hillsdale, NJ: Lawrence Erlbaum. - - Minnaert, M. (1940). Light and colour in the open air. London: G. Bell & Sons. the Minnaert one is a classic, but difficult to get hold of. James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:35:22 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Das Bootles >So a few months ago, I was watching "A Hard Day's Night" for the umpteenth >time - great movie, the guy who plays Paul's "grandfather" ("he's a clean >old man!") is terrific. (Who is he, anyway? Some British character >actor, I assume?) Wilfrid Brambell, star of a long-running British series called "Steptoe and Son" about the owners of a junkyard, where, ironically, he was frequently referred to by his long suffering son as a "Dirty old man". >Have you forgotten that George released Wonderwall Music, I believe, in >late 1967 or early 1968. And Two Virgins came out not long after, IIRC. not exactly helping in the discussion about *songs* though, and neither do the Wedding Album, Unfinished Music: Life with the Lions, or The Family Way soundtrack >> As I mentioned, even his handling of the business was riddled >> with bad decisions. His personal life was out of control and he was >> regularly ridiculed by John ("Baby You're A Rich Man"). > >And what about that trip that Brian and John took to Spain(?), eh? I'd >like to know more about that ... me too. There is apparently a movie which hypothesises about what might have happened (called "The hours and the times"), but I've never been able to track down a copy. >Obla Dee, Obla Daa (gender bending alot doth not make for good) the version on Anthology is much better (though still not a classic) >I dunno. After the '66 Tour, they knew that live shows were over and >that was before Brian died. John and George never really did the live >thing again much even as solo performers. in John's case, it was stagefright (worse than Andy Partridge's!). He used to throw up every time before going on stage. In George's case, well, despite his philanthropic nature with regard to things like the BanglaDesh appeal, he was always a bit more misanthropic and reclusive than the others. >A band's manager being inducted (especially >one as bumbling as Brian) is the equivalent of a book's editor winning >the Pulitzer not really. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has a special section for non-performers (such as engineers, managers, etc). So it would be like an editor winning the Pulitzer if there was a special Pulitzer award for non-writers connected with publishing. >Plus, I'm playing a bit of a devil's advocate here...I really don't have >anything against Epstein. He tried. And, he had genuine love for "his >boys" (in more ways than one...see "The Rutles"). mainly it was the trousers ;) >>It is should be noted (FWIW) that George had two top 10 hits before any other >>solo Beatle got close to the top of the charts > >It should be noted that "McCartney" went to #1 on the US charts. John is >actually the winner here tho as far as singles, with "Give Peace a Chance" >(US #14, UK #2) in 1969, also "Instant Karma" doing pretty well in February >of 1970 (US #3), both before the US release of "My Sweet Lord". erp. Mea culpa. Serves me right for only re-checking the singles released after the Beatles split up! You're right of course. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 06:50:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: Three Women and the Fab Four Eb wrote: "PS I saw Robert Altman's "3 Women," last night. WOW, what an intriguing film. One of those rare films where you're not only uncertain what took place, you're not even sure there's a definitive answer to the question! I can't get this film out of mind, today. Altman scripted the film himself, and I read that he faithfully followed the events of a dream he had? So, perhaps even *he* doesn't know what it really means?" My husband and I went to see this film on April 30, 1979, the night before we got married. If you have seen it, you know that is more a miracle that we actually took our vows the next day (in front of Judge Smoke and two witnesses) than it is that we are still married today. What a spooky film! (I still remember much of it, especially the shrimp cocktails and crackers with Cheeze Whiz.) As for Beatles detritus, it's hard for me at 6:40 a.m. to come up with a coherent list of dislikes, but overall it has to be most everything on Abbey Road (a shower of rocks and old shoes lands on Jill's head). When it came out, I pretty near gagged. Bands like the Kinks and the Who were, IMO, coming out with much more interesting and challenging music and lyrics. To me, it was an overproduction nightmare with Paul's sense of cute on overdrive. It's the only standard Beatles release that I don't have on CD. My twelve-year-old son, however, is planning to buy it. Kay, I should have known it was you posting about the Fury theme. I watched Fury and Sky King every Saturday morning while eating a bowl of Frosted Flakes. Fury was by far my favorite show. Jill, who thinks that No Reply is an abfab song ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:51:47 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: JJB On Tuesday, July 31, 2001, at 02:10 AM, Mike Swedene wrote: > almost as annoying as jar jar Binks. Just wait 'til next summer, when Jar Jar Binks is revealed to be a Jedi Knight. - - Steve __________ My solution to the Microsoft problem? Nationalize Windows and let Mr. Bill keep the rest. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:21:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Natalie Jane Jacobs Subject: Beatlefilm >See the low budget b&w indie film "The Hours and Times" (?) for a >speculative peek at what might have transpired. This was done by the same guy who did "Backbeat" and likewise starred Ian Hart (?) as John Lennon - an actor who not only looks *frighteningly* like a young Lennon but is also from Liverpool. The film ("Hours and Times") is pretty good but is much too short (1/2 hour) to get into much character analysis. Still, worth seeing if you're a Beatle-y sort of person. I liked "Backbeat" a lot and would be happy to see it again someday. That same actor, Ian Hart, was in a really interesting film called "Land and Freedom," about the Spanish Civil War, which Eddie might be interested in if he hasn't seen it already. n. - -- Natalie Jane Jacobs gnat@bitmine.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 11:26:15 -0400 From: "Ultimate Goal" Subject: big Nipp on Ebay Curious, I've never seen 2 of the 3 images on this Give It To The Soft Boys EP. The only picture I recognize is the pix of the breast with the bent arm around it. Are these other pix from a different pressing? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1451693403 Nippy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:26:17 +0000 From: "Rude Becky of Goldstrum" Subject: Das Boodles n tonic Nat: >I often defend Paul against his detractors (he wrote "For No One," >fer >crying out loud!), but not all that vigorously. - --Thats one incredible song isnt it, the melancholy horn just kills me. Somehow emotional pain is often best communicated by understatement and melody--because it hurts too much to properly verbalize. When MaCartny went for substance over sentimentality his genius floors you. BTW I followed your link to your webpage, niiiccceee job. When(sound of grinding teeth here) I get the internet reliably back up at home(sound of gnashing teeth slowly being sharpened into fangs) Ill get stuff I dont know that you recomend based on how much I like the stuff I do know that you recommend. If you have anti-Nats, may I be a chela-Nat? - --- Glenn's sign-off >"Never waste a trip anywhere by coming home without beer." >- --Russ Reynolds Ive finially learned the wisdom of this statment! I steal some of my hubbys beer, pour it in a bowl and put it in the garden for slugs. They crawl into it, drink and drown. After they've stewed for a few days I drain off the beer, put it back in the bottle and send it to the guys at Comcast who cant get the "limits" balanced on my Internet connection. Then I take the slugs and waggle them at anyone silly enough to come into range, threatening to drop the gooey things down their shirts. They shriek, run, I give chase, they shriek some more, run in circles, start hyperventalating. Great summer fun. - --- Godwin: >And what about that trip that Brian and John took to Spain(?), eh? >I'd >like to know more about that ... Im even worse on the gossepy side. I actually find it a turn on to fantasize two youngish, very drunken, horney, nobody else around Beatles doing stuff they'd probobly both pretend not to remember the next morning. Yes, go ahead, drop a slug down my shirt, I deserve it. >The Stones also ground to a halt in the mid-60s while the Brian Jones >was >coming unwound, and many of us never expected them to tour again, >but >somehow or other they got their show back on the road. I can think of several possible hypothosis for this. Jagger was smart at more than just making music? Taylor was a truelly fine guitarist? There is the argument that their tendency to exploit and destroy people gave them a dog-eat-dog advantage? Having half of their creative duad strung-out gave Jagger a more conflict-free situation? So how -did- they get their show back on the road? - -- Another George song my dentist-phobic-self will defend: Savoy Truffle. Also a great lead in to the all time great "Cry Baby Cry." - -- Noe, Ive met my spelling match:-). - -- Kay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 12:08:06 -0400 From: "Ultimate Goal" Subject: Re: Beatlefilm >From: Natalie >This was done by the same guy who did "Backbeat" and >likewise starred Ian >Hart (?) as John Lennon - an actor who not only looks *frighteningly* like >a young Lennon but is also from Liverpool. I always thought John Cusack would make a good John Lennon. Nuppy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:44:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Re: JJB I just got a copy of the Phantom Edit I.I and they have done an EXCELLENT job of getting rid of a LOT of JJB. It is very flawless and they did a great job with audio edits too. On eof my pet peeves was the "Yippee" that the young Vader spouts out at the junk yard. It is NO LONGER int he newer edited version. Oh well... Herbie - --- steve wrote: > On Tuesday, July 31, 2001, at 02:10 AM, Mike > Swedene wrote: > > > almost as annoying as jar jar Binks. > > > Just wait 'til next summer, when Jar Jar Binks is > revealed to be a Jedi > Knight. > > > - Steve > > __________ > My solution to the Microsoft problem? Nationalize > Windows and let Mr. > Bill keep the rest. Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 17:55:56 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Slug attack On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Rude Becky of Goldstrum wrote: > I take the slugs and waggle them at anyone silly enough to come into > range, threatening to drop the gooey things down their shirts. They shriek, > run, I give chase, they shriek some more, run in circles, start > hyperventalating. Great summer fun. Our old house was a drop-in centre for the largest slugs in the BA2 postal district. Many of them exercised by climbing up the front door and insinuating themselves through the letterbox. Others preferred to go round the back way through the cat-flap. I blame the slug-pubs (margarine tub lids full of beer) put out by the wife. A few sups of cheap beer and they got fighting mad ... > Godwin: > >The Stones also ground to a halt in the mid-60s while the Brian Jones was > >coming unwound, and many of us never expected them to tour again, but > >somehow or other they got their show back on the road. > I can think of several possible hypothosis for this. Jagger was smart at > more than just making music? Taylor was a truelly fine guitarist? > There is the argument that their tendency to exploit and destroy people gave > them a dog-eat-dog advantage? Having half of their creative duad strung-out > gave Jagger a more conflict-free situation? > So how -did- they get their show back on the road? The interview that I recall stated that it was (guess what?) PA technology improvements. Like the Beatles, they had got fed up with playing unheard in front of a screaming audience. Once they found a way to drown the audience out, and have a decent sound mix out front, they realised that they could kick-start their faltering career. Taylor was good, but they only needed another guitarist because they planned to perform live - Beggars' Banquet was made virtually without a second guitar-player (although those who have seen '1+1' assure me that Brian does play on the sessions). Taylor was promised royalties and co-writing credits, but of course they never materialised and he left the band after about 4 or 5 years, to be replaced by Keith Richards clone Ronnie Wood. I saw them twice with Taylor and 3 times with Wood, and they were noticeably more musical with Taylor, tackling things like 'You can't always get what you want', 'Love in vain' and 'Dead flowers' as well as the more Chuck Berryish stuff. - - Mike "I take tea at three" Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:44:13 +0000 From: "Rude Becky of Goldstrum" Subject: Re: Slug attack The supernally old and grumpy guy with the letters G, O, D in his name wrote: >Our old house was a drop-in centre for the largest slugs in the BA2 postal >district. Many of them exercised by climbing up the front door and >insinuating themselves through the letterbox. Ughhhhh. Others preferred to go round >the back way through the cat-flap. I blame the slug-pubs (margarine tub >lids full of beer) put out by the wife. A few sups of cheap beer and they >got fighting mad ... So you had attack slugs! When you opened the mailbox did they hurl themselves out onto your face, infecting you with blinding slime which soon turned you into a giant slug, in which case, how then --are-- you now typing this... . Wait a sec, the doorbells ringing. Oh no, oh no, they're here. They're ... HELP ... Help ... heeelllppp me.......... . Slither. slither. Now (adjusting the stick in my mouth), where was I? or Are you trying to warn me that instead of guarding my Dahlia's with the slug-pubs(great term)Im opening a slug hotel? Nevertheless, bet your wife's garden was purdy. >The interview that I recall stated that it was (guess what?) PA technology >improvements. Like the Beatles, they had got fed up with playing unheard >in front of a screaming audience. Once they found a way to drown the >audience out, and have a decent sound mix out front, they realised that >they could kick-start their faltering career. Taylor was good, but they >only needed another guitarist because they planned to perform live - >Beggars' Banquet was made virtually without a second guitar-player >(although those who have seen '1+1' assure me that Brian does play on the >sessions). > >Taylor was promised royalties and co-writing credits, but of course they >never materialised and he left the band after about 4 or 5 years, to be >replaced by Keith Richards clone Ronnie Wood. I saw them twice with Taylor >and 3 times with Wood, and they were noticeably more musical with Taylor, >tackling things like 'You can't always get what you want', 'Love in vain' >and 'Dead flowers' as well as the more Chuck Berryish stuff. Nice practical explanation. I saw them with Taylor and well--they should have given him the royalties.;-) Kay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:21:25 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: Slug attack >Are you trying to warn me that instead of guarding my Dahlia's with >the slug-pubs(great term)Im opening a slug hotel? You know what also works really well? Ground up eggshells. It's the ol' death by a million cuts thing... never had any success with the tubs-o-beer technique--but then again, these are hard-drinking New York City slugs. Maybe I should have used vodka. It seemed as though the tubs didn't attract very many, and they always ended up getting nasty in the sunshine the next day. The tubs-o-beer, not the slugs. They just had hangovers. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 14:58:18 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Dead Cockroaches Are Smelly, Q.E.D. http://www.sasionline.org/2001conf/gyrating.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:01:21 -0400 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: Eat the giant crab http://www.hedge.net/fields/giantcrab.html the picture is more than worth your time, trust me. ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. 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To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 16:01:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Carole Reichstein Subject: deja vu redux: Elliott Smith dream James posted a while back: [1] one of three similar phenomena: Deja vu - the uncanny feeling that something has hapened before; Presque vu - a flash of blinding inspiration that disappears before it can be 'translated' into a graspable thought; Jamais vu - failure to recognise a well-known object due to it being seen in an odd context or from an odd viewpoint. Does Deja Vu have more than one meaning? What do you call it when you're in the middle of an event and it slowly dawns on you that you dreamt this very thing? Almost 2 years ago, I had a dream that my boyfriend and I were at a club watching Elliott Smith perform. It was an intimate venue, quite reminiscent of a ski lodge. Elliott tried to sing, but girls kept attacking him, screeching their undying adoration (no, I wasn't one of them). A few months later, Marty and I went to see the Minders at EJ's (a sadly departed club here in Portland)...Gnat, Jeme, Viv and Michael Wolfe were also there. When I walked in, there was an excited buzz about the small venue because Elliott Smith was in the house (not performing, but he was Joanna Bolme's boyfriend at the time). I watched the show from the back of the room, and I noticed Elliott quietly making his way toward the front of the crowd (sort of like Moses parting the Red Sea...as soon as someone glanced back to see who was passing them, everyone scooted away!). And then I realized, hey, this is just like the dream I had...EJ's has often been described as a "punk ski lodge." And while Elliott wasn't exactly singing on stage, everyone knew he was there. But the nice Portlanders left him alone, which I think he appreciated--I think he liked drinking a Pabst tall boy in peace. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 16:12:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: deja vu redux: Elliott Smith dream On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Carole Reichstein wrote: > A few months later, Marty and I went to see the Minders at EJ's (a > sadly departed club here in Portland)...Gnat, Jeme, Viv and Michael > Wolfe were also there. Oh, man... was the Minders and Elf Power? I think so, because I only went to EJ's a few times. Damn, I wish I could go to that show again, knowing what I know now about both bands. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:22:29 -0700 From: "Motherfucking Asshole" Subject: Re: big Nipp on Ebay yeah, and by different *bands*, too! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ultimate Goal To: Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 8:26 AM Subject: big Nipp on Ebay > Curious, I've never seen 2 of the 3 images on this Give It To The Soft Boys > EP. The only picture I recognize is the pix of the breast with the bent arm > around it. Are these other pix from a different pressing? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1451693403 > > Nippy > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 08:18:11 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Robyn at edfringe.com, 3-5 August "Stewart C. Russell" wrote: > > The fringe ticket line is 0131-226 5138 The Fringe box office has sold out of their allocation, btw -- at least for the Sunday. Anyone else going to be there? Stewart ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #293 ********************************