From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #292 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, July 31 2001 Volume 10 : Number 292 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: least-fave fab tracks ["da9ve stovall" ] Re: Das Bootles [HAL ] Beatles, Schmeatles [Natalie Jane Jacobs ] Re: Beatles, Schmeatles [Natalie Jane Jacobs ] Re: S.O.S. [Tom Clark ] Re: Das Bootles [Glen Uber ] Re: Das Bootles [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Beatles, Schmeatles [Michael R Godwin ] Blue to Purple ["Rude Becky of Goldstrum" ] Re: Beatles, Schmeatles [Ken Ostrander ] Re: Das Bootles [HAL ] S.O.S. [Eb ] Re: S.O.S. [Ken Weingold ] Re: Das Bootles/welease woderwick! [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Looking For Soft Boys Shows II ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: Das Bootles! ["victorian squid" ] Hey, NYC Fegs [steve ] Re: Beatles, Schmeatles ["noe shalev" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:00:04 -0700 From: "da9ve stovall" Subject: RE: least-fave fab tracks >>1. Honey Don't >>2. Chains >>3. Boys >>4. Everybody's Trying To Be My Baby >>5. Blue Jay Way >>6. Dig It >>7. Ask Me Why >>8. Devil In Her Heart >>9. Kansas City/Hey Hey Hey Hey >>10. Matchbox >> >>Anyone else wanna try? I won't bother with the cover versions - unless I run out of originals. 1. When I Get Home - the all-time stinker. How this turd it into the punchbowl, I'll never know - even early on. Totally inane lyrics, klunky music, broke no new ground. 2. Run For Your Life - a close second. Nasty, brutish, not short enough. 3. No Reply - just bland. 4. Love Me Do - I nodded my head along with it for years and years, and finally admitted that it just doesn't do anything for me despite its historical significance. 5. I Wanna Be Your Man - I don't really actively dislike this one, but it never seemed comfortable alongside its contemporaries. 6. Michelle - eh. (I'm really running out of steam here) 7. You Can't Do That 8. Drive My Car - I like this one, actually, but there's a local radio station that uses a cover of the "beep-beep-n-beep-beep-yeah" bit as a bumper for their traffic report, and I'm getting really tired of hearing it, . . . 9. I Call Your Name 10. Devil In Her Heart Others of you have mentioned some of the later, after-the-cracks-were-showing songs; something in my just can't bring the rest of me to offer up much criticism to, say, Wild Honey Pie, Why Don't We Do It In the Road, Revolution #9, Maggie Mae - yeah, they're kinda tossed-off, but I can't separate them from the larger works of which those tracks are just little facets. Maybe I've heard too many different/enlightening bootleg versions, . . . As for the stylistic departures - the incongruity of many of the "weird" songs is part of why I like them. And there are a fair number that avoid any criticism by being so patently non-earnest, that I love 'em dearly - You Know My Name (Look Up the Number) is the stand-out in that category. >Subject: Speaking of Zappa CDs >I just noticed there is a new batch of remastered Zappa CDs issued by >Ryko in Japan only: > >Anybody heard or own any of these? Are these actually remastered? I'd read a blurb on another CD site - G&S Music, mebbe? Some UK Zappaphile shop - about 'em, but they just pushed the packaging as the hot selling point; I don't recall any mention of remastering. da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 09:18:18 -0600 From: HAL Subject: Re: Das Bootles Mike Godwin wrote: > PS to Hal: Read 'Apple to the Core' before writing off Epstein. He got the > Beatles to the top and kept them there throughout his life. HE got them there? I say "right place, right time" (The Cavern). That, and he had the cash to go hawk their tape around (not all that successfully; see Decca Records). George Martin gave them a break and the rest was their (not Brian's) talent. As I mentioned, even his handling of the business was riddled with bad decisions. His personal life was out of control and he was regularly ridiculed by John ("Baby You're A Rich Man"). > As soon as he > died, their quarrels got out of hand and the group fell apart. I grant you > that he missed out on the merchandising opportunities, but if he had lived > I believe he could have kept the band together for maybe another 5 years > and 3 albums. Klein and Eastman just turned the Beatles into a lawsuit. I don't think Brian (or anyone) could have kept the group from quarreling/breaking-up. They did put out an EP, a double-LP, two movies with soundtracks and a beautiful swan song (Abbey Rd) without Brian and lasted another three years, thanks (or no thanks) to Paul. Certainly another 5 years/3 LP's after that (I assume you mean they would have stayed together until 1975 had Brian lived?) is a pretty far-fetched theory, especially when Brian had virtually ZERO input after the touring ceased. Yes, they appeared to be devastated in India when they heard the news of Brian's passing, but that was likely their fear of being more inept at the business side of things than even Brian was. Sure, McCartney caused a rift by becoming an opportunist after Epstein died (probably because of his own fears) and Klein and Eastman were vultures waiting to pounce, but Brian was certainly not any kind of glue that would have sealed the already-evident cracks in the group mindset. The ego battles between Lennon and McCartney and Harrison's musical frustrations would have surfaced eventually. Having said that, John *was* quoted in the 1970 LENNON REMEMBERS Rolling Stone interview as saying "After Brian died, we collapsed...I knew we were in trouble then. I didn't really have any misconceptions about our ability to do anything other than play music. And I was scared. I thought, 'We've fuckin' had it.' " /hal, who knows that debating alternate realities is an exercise in futility ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 08:51:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Natalie Jane Jacobs Subject: Beatles, Schmeatles So a few months ago, I was watching "A Hard Day's Night" for the umpteenth time - great movie, the guy who plays Paul's "grandfather" ("he's a clean old man!") is terrific. (Who is he, anyway? Some British character actor, I assume?) Anyway, I hadn't heard a lot of that earlier material for a while, and it dawned on me... it's utterly banal. Musically great - it's impossible to get those tunes out of your head - but, I mean... "Close your eyes and I'll kiss you/tomorrow I'll miss you/You know that I'll always be true." Ecch! Bob Dylan did the world a service as far as I'm concerned. (Waiting for the shrieks of protest from the Beatle-philes... :) As for their later stuff, I dislike "Here, There and Everywhere" because it is terribly soppy and spoils an otherwise near-perfect album ("Yellow Submarine" doesn't help either, but at least it's amusing). "Ob-La-Di Ob-La-Da" is pretty vile as well. I often defend Paul against his detractors (he wrote "For No One," fer crying out loud!), but not all that vigorously. gnat "second only to the Beatles" the gnatster - -- Natalie Jane Jacobs gnat@bitmine.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 09:23:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Natalie Jane Jacobs Subject: Re: Beatles, Schmeatles > Wilfred Brambell from 'Steptoe and Son' (Harry H Corbett played Son). You > mean you don't get endless Steptoe and Son repeats every other year in the > States? :) No, we get "Sanford and Son," the American equivalent. (Which, as someone has surely mentioned, has one of the all-time great theme tunes.) n. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 10:02:06 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: S.O.S. on 7/29/01 12:54 AM, Eb at ElBroome@earthlink.net wrote: > Major hard-drive breakdown, today. Diagnostics say bad blocks. Computer's > functionality has been wildly up and down all day, though I've managed to > band-aid some of the corrupt-file problems. Most software is working, but > some software isn't (AOL, Photoshop). Time to buy an Imac, and give up on > this old warhorse. But the backup problem is formidable. Especially because > this computer is SCSI, while an Imac would be USB. Two different Zip drives > required? Similarly, even floppy discs won't help, since Imacs don't have > floppy drives.... - - Belkin makes a USB-SCSI adapter for about $89. A USB Zip drive is about twice as much. - - Imation makes a drive that reads and writes floppies as well as 120MB cartridges. - - The newer iMacs have CD-RW drives, so you're just paying for the media at that point. - - Apple gives you 20MB free with its "iDisk" online service. Good luck! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 10:36:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: Das Bootles On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Michael R Godwin wrote: >McCartney (McCartney: 1970) >Sentimental Journey (Starr: 1970) >Beaucoups Of Blues (Starr: 1970) >All Things Must Pass (Harrison: 1970) >Plastic Ono Band (Lennon: 1970) Have you forgotten that George released Wonderwall Music, I believe, in late 1967 or early 1968. And Two Virgins came out not long after, IIRC. - -- Cheers! - -g- "Never waste a trip anywhere by coming home without beer." - --Russ Reynolds )+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+( Glen Uber // Santa Rosa, California // uberg (at) sonic dot net )+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+( ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 17:07:18 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Das Bootles On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, HAL wrote: > Mike Godwin wrote: > > PS to Hal: Read 'Apple to the Core' before writing off Epstein. He got the > > Beatles to the top and kept them there throughout his life. > HE got them there? I say "right place, right time" (The Cavern). That, > and he had the cash to go hawk their tape around (not all that > successfully; see Decca Records). That's right. I venture a further counter-factual that nobody else would have signed them in 1961-2, because "Guitar groups are on the way out" (as the man from Decca famously said). Epstein was a chancer who was looking for a way out of the furniture business and he took a risk that none of the deadbeat Tin Pan Alley moguls of the time would have taken. You have no idea how closed up the British music business was in the Adam Faith - Frank Ifield - Helen Shapiro era. > George Martin gave them a break and the rest was their (not Brian's) > talent. Yes, they were very lucky to get an EMI producer who was willing to take risks because of his background in comedy sound effects. But they wouldn't have even got the deal without Brian. > As I mentioned, even his handling of the business was riddled > with bad decisions. His personal life was out of control and he was > regularly ridiculed by John ("Baby You're A Rich Man"). And what about that trip that Brian and John took to Spain(?), eh? I'd like to know more about that ... > I don't think Brian (or anyone) could have kept the group from > quarreling/breaking-up. He did that very successfully between 1962 and 1966. There was a good TV documentary on Epstein which I recommend. > Brian had virtually ZERO input after the touring ceased. The Stones also ground to a halt in the mid-60s while the Brian Jones was coming unwound, and many of us never expected them to tour again, but somehow or other they got their show back on the road. McCartney claims that he tried to get the Beatles back on tour, but they (i.e. Lennon) refused. I'm not saying that Brian didn't have a terrible final year. But _if_ he had kept it together he was the only person who could have got the group to tour again. > Yes, they appeared to be devastated in India when they heard the news > of Brian's passing, but that was likely their fear of being more inept > at the business side of things than even Brian was. Wales, of course, not India. > The ego battles between Lennon and McCartney and Harrison's musical > frustrations would have surfaced eventually. Yes. > Having said that, John *was* quoted in the 1970 LENNON REMEMBERS Rolling > Stone interview as saying "After Brian died, we collapsed...I knew we > were in trouble then. I didn't really have any misconceptions about our > ability to do anything other than play music. And I was scared. I > thought, 'We've fuckin' had it.' " QED - MRG > /hal, who knows that debating alternate realities is an exercise in > futility Yes, but it's better than working, n'est-ce pas? - - Mike Godwin, still bitter about missing that Hendrix - Arthur Brown - John's Children concert at the Savile which was cancelled when Brian died... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 17:09:18 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Beatles, Schmeatles On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Natalie Jane Jacobs wrote: > So a few months ago, I was watching "A Hard Day's Night" for the umpteenth > time - great movie, the guy who plays Paul's "grandfather" ("he's a clean > old man!") is terrific. (Who is he, anyway? Some British character > actor, I assume?) Wilfred Brambell from 'Steptoe and Son' (Harry H Corbett played Son). You mean you don't get endless Steptoe and Son repeats every other year in the States? :) - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 18:01:34 +0000 From: "Rude Becky of Goldstrum" Subject: Blue to Purple Weekend Roundup My first memorable TV theme was to the horse show "Fury." It made me cry. I wouldnt go to eat my Saturday lunch till -after- the theme was finished and I'd had my cry. Id sit there watching the credits roll, tears streaming down. If anyone asked me why I was crying Id say I didnt know, which was the truth. I was 4 or 5. Beatle no-gos. I love some of the George stuff others hate, like "Long Long Long"(makes me cry) and "Happy Just to Dance with You." What I really hate is what others love -- "Something"; he whines in that one and I hate whining. Also love "While My Guitar Gently Weeps","Here Comes the Sun" and "All to Much." Dislike: Rocky Raaqooon(If God had thought PM should be RZ, He would have made him RZ.) Michelle(more whining) Obla Dee, Obla Daa (gender bending alot doth not make for good) Mr Moonlight Wild Honey Pie Oh Darling BTW, I miss the era of cowbells. Perceptual tricks I love: When the sky is such a bright blue you think you can see white and indigo bits pulsing thru it. Looking at an object and seeing its complementry color at the rim. Stare at a candle or mirror(or probobly anything) for awhile, empty your mind. After abit you start half seeing/half-creating images. I can get great color effects this way which will influence my painting. When your eyes are tired and the lighting has intense chioroscura, same sorta effect, especially in terms of color. Once at a Robyn concert(RH CONTENT!) he seemed surrounded by deep blues but as the song (drat, forget which one) got to its emotional climax where he had to go for some high notes it flared out into bright purple/lavender, then subsided back into a greyblue(and no, the lighting didnt change;-)) Seth: >Why is it that the French have a word >for this but the English language doesn't? I also heard someone >exclaim >that the Spanish language has more words for spiritual and >existential >matters than most languages..I wonder what makes a >language evolve to the >point where terms like these are necessary. >Plus why wouldn't all >languages eventually get to this point? Great question. Dont have an answer thou James pointed out some interesting stuff. Just think of all the thoughts, sensations, feelings we have that we just dont have the words for. More Seth: >Can you really be suspended for being a wise-ass? Ohhhh yeaaahhhh. In 9th grade I never did anything really corrupt(in fact was abit of a straight arrow, didnt lie, steal, or cheat)--but my mouth sure got me in trouble. Id discovered that wit could get the whole class laughing, totally flummox teachers I didnt like and get the headmaster(who was a wiseapple himself)to flirt with me ... even as, with a twinkle in his eye, he'd suspend me. However, thanks to that headmaster whose half sufferage I somehow gained I never -quite- got expelled.;-)(This was a school which -loved- to throw people out.) Also James thanks for a pithy insightful bit on The Beatles songwriting. Its too bad that after the breakup neither John nor Paul seemed to look for the same sort of stimuli again. We have this romantic western notion that one person is supposed to fill - -all- ones needs but often a few people who connect with your different passions are also a plus. Why John and Paul seemed to stop being hungry for people who could spark them off and get them to grow Ive never entirely understood. Drugs? Tired? And dont call yourself a pendent! The thought of you hanging around a really dry, academic listserve that wouldnt get your jokes is well--beneith you;-). Kay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 14:38:00 -0400 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: Re: Beatles, Schmeatles >> In fact I sometimes think side 2 of Abbey Road is my favorite Beatles. i often think the same thing... side one is almost as good. revolver, the white album, sgt pepper, let it be, magical mystery tour, and rubber soul follow in that order. the pre-pot albums are a lot harder to keep straight. of course, all i have are the u.s. versions on vinyl, which keeps things complicated. i'll have to do some marathon listening at home to determine non-cover clunkers. i will chime in to defend: everybody's got something to hide except for me and my monkey, run for your life, oh darling, she's so heavy, let it be, rocky racoon, something, within without you, ob la di ob la da, and got to get you into my life. >> Unless my dates are wrong and "All Things Must Pass" came out BEFORE both >> "Plastic Ono Band" and "Maybe I'm Amazed". _mccartney_ was released first. paul made the breakup official because he had the album ready to go. of course, that's by his standards... >suite? Good idea! Let's cobble together all those ideas I can't finish and >call it "Admiral Halsey" or "Band on the Run" or something. Paul's early >solo songs either used this method, or sounded like half-finished songs. granted, some of paul's work sounds embryonic; but the two songs you mention are among his best. by the way, he has taken the medley to impressive levels, as in the suite of _abbey road_. despite it's loose feel, _ram_ is as close as any solo post-fab came to sounding like the beatles. does anyone else like to think that it's john cleese phoning in during 'uncle albert'? > 2) Revolution 9 >/too easy a choice i suppose/ sorry; but i love this one. very pythonesque. i find that the white album is simultaneously one the most beloved and reviled albums of all time. every song was treated like a solo album with outside musicians brought in on occasion. the sprawling diversity is truly amazing; but some of the songs are a lot weaker than others. despite this, i've come to appreciate all of them. 'long long long' is definitely my least favorite, mostly because i can't laugh at it like the others. compared to the similar mood of 'julia', it's a real dud. 'wild honey pie' sounds like the band is having a lot of fun. 'i will' following 'why don't we do it in the road' is hysterical. 'good night', 'piggies', 'savoy truffle', 'cry baby cry', 'bungalow bill', and 'honey pie' are all pleasant; but aren't up to the level of the rest. still, i think more bands should spend a few months at a himilayan retreat. >there was no competition, and (certainly in Linda's case) no criticism of >the weaker material. that seems apparent. you can get a lot of milage from making a mix of your favorite post-fab tunes. it can be very cathartic. ken "it don't come easy" the kenster np exile on main street da stones ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 12:53:12 -0600 From: HAL Subject: Re: Das Bootles Mike Godwin wrote: > > George Martin gave them a break and the rest was their (not Brian's) > > talent. > they wouldn't > have even got the deal without Brian. True enough! > And what about that trip that Brian and John took to Spain(?), eh? I'd > like to know more about that ... See the low budget b&w indie film "The Hours and Times" (?) for a speculative peek at what might have transpired. > McCartney claims > that he tried to get the Beatles back on tour, but they (i.e. Lennon) > refused. I'm not saying that Brian didn't have a terrible final year. But > _if_ he had kept it together he was the only person who could have got the > group to tour again. I dunno. After the '66 Tour, they knew that live shows were over and that was before Brian died. John and George never really did the live thing again much even as solo performers. > > Yes, they appeared to be devastated in India when they heard the news > > of Brian's passing > Wales, of course, not India. Right! They were departing for Maharishi's Feet at the time..I forgot that. Anyway, the original thread was about Epstein being inducted into the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame. A band's manager being inducted (especially one as bumbling as Brian) is the equivalent of a book's editor winning the Pulitzer. Like I said previously, let's have George and Ringo (as solo acts) inducted first, then we can throw Brian his bone (as if taking his original percentage wasn't enough!) Plus, I'm playing a bit of a devil's advocate here...I really don't have anything against Epstein. He tried. And, he had genuine love for "his boys" (in more ways than one...see "The Rutles"). /hal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 14:46:15 -0700 From: Eb Subject: S.O.S. Thanks to all for their suggestions/offers to help. I'm weighing my options.... Eb PS I saw Robert Altman's "3 Women," last night. WOW, what an intriguing film. One of those rare films where you're not only uncertain what took place, you're not even sure there's a definitive answer to the question! I can't get this film out of mind, today. Altman scripted the film himself, and I read that he faithfully followed the events of a dream he had? So, perhaps even *he* doesn't know what it really means? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 18:06:20 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: S.O.S. On Mon, Jul 30, 2001, Tom Clark wrote: > - Imation makes a drive that reads and writes floppies as well as 120MB > cartridges. LS-120. Can you say sssslllllooooowwwww, boys and girls? I think there is a reason why this never took over Zip drives. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 12:21:37 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Das Bootles/welease woderwick! >PS to Hal: Read 'Apple to the Core' before writing off Epstein. He got the >Beatles to the top and kept them there throughout his life. As soon as he >died, their quarrels got out of hand and the group fell apart. I grant you >that he missed out on the merchandising opportunities, but if he had lived >I believe he could have kept the band together for maybe another 5 years >and 3 albums. Klein and Eastman just turned the Beatles into a lawsuit. then again, Epstein's also to blame for Stadium Rock... >>Personally, I rank "I want you (She's so heavy)" as the best track on Abbey >>Road. It's the one chance that John got to throw something good into the >>concept opera Paul was making. > >Are we from the same planet? :) spoot! She's on to us! >I say this for two reasons, and the first would be......this is the ONE >chance? And you think "Come Together" is what, exactly, then? an introduction to the album, and a damn fine one. But it was before Paul got into his stride on it, so it hardly interrupted the flow. >>suite? Good idea! Let's cobble together all those ideas I can't finish and >>call it "Admiral Halsey" or "Band on the Run" or something. Paul's early >>solo songs either used this method, or sounded like half-finished songs. > >Clearly we disagree on some fundamental level as I think both of these songs >work, particularly the latter, and I hardly think all of the early solo stuff >sounds unfinished. You're referring to "McCartney", "Wild Life" and "Ram", I >take it? mainly, but it's something that continued throughout his solo career. Most of his albums have at least one track that sounds like a sketch for something that could be worked into a song later. >>something that would remind us all of what they used to have. It's perhaps >>no surprise that it was George - who hadn't lost a partnership to the same >>extent - who would produce the first few strong songs after the band's >>demise. > >Oh James, with all due respect, WHAT??????? > >Unless my dates are wrong and "All Things Must Pass" came out BEFORE both >"Plastic Ono Band" and "Maybe I'm Amazed". It did come before Plastic Ono Band, although it was after McCartney and Beaucoup Of Blues. And personally I'd say it is a better collection of songs than McCartney (even if it is too long by one live disc). The fairly average Maybe I'm Amazed included. It's not got the power of POB, that is true, and POB is a far better album overall, but it is should be noted (FWIW) that George had two top 10 hits before any other solo Beatle got close to the top of the charts (even if one of them was 'ow you say? a ripoff of She's So Fine) Ob Robyn... If Robyn Hitchcock (remember him?) can be equated with Lennon, who would be the comparable equivalent of McCartney? Or Harrison, for that matter? James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 22:48:31 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Looking For Soft Boys Shows II Hello, I forgot to mention that I am also looking for the elusive Vancouver show. Thanks, Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 20:22:19 -0700 From: "victorian squid" Subject: Re: Das Bootles! On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 12:21:37 James Dignan wrote: >>Are we from the same planet? :) > >spoot! She's on to us! Then again, I don't recall specifying which of us wasn't from Earth. >>>extent - who would produce the first few strong songs after the band's >>>demise. Thanks for including the original phrase there. I'm not going a bit senile and you did say "songs". I meant "Maybe I'm Amazed" the single, which I consider a high point of McCartney solo and you consider "fairly average" :). >It is should be noted (FWIW) that George had two top 10 hits before any other >solo Beatle got close to the top of the charts It should be noted that "McCartney" went to #1 on the US charts. John is actually the winner here tho as far as singles, with "Give Peace a Chance" (US #14, UK #2) in 1969, also "Instant Karma" doing pretty well in February of 1970 (US #3), both before the US release of "My Sweet Lord". Yes, I KNOW I'm a trainspotter, thanks. >Beaucoup Of Blues. And personally I'd say it is a better collection of >songs than McCartney (even if it is too long by one live disc). I'm fond of "McCartney" but objectively I'd not say it's the greatest. However, I do like it more than "All Things Must Pass". There are a handful of great songs on there but fer chrissakes, I don't think even George has given the third disc a second listen. loveonya, susan Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 23:02:34 -0500 From: steve Subject: Hey, NYC Fegs You can see Porco Rosso this Saturday, 7PM at the BMA. > The Brooklyn Museum of Art's First Saturday, on August 4, from 6 to 11 > p.m., will celebrate the opening of the exhibition My Reality: > Contemporary Art and the Culture of Japanese Animation. In conjunction > with the exhibition there will be a free screening of the Japanese > animated feature Porco Rosso (Hayao Miyazaki, 1992, 94 min., not rated, > in Japanese with English subtitles). http://www.brooklynart.org/information/firstsaturday.html - - Steve __________ For four out of five American families, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation, this year's rebate is most of what they will ever get from the Bush tax cut. Those future tax cuts that Mr. Lindsey wants to defend are overwhelmingly for the very, very affluent  and they will severely squeeze every other national priority. So why not reconsider them? - Paul Krugman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 07:57:21 +0200 From: "noe shalev" Subject: Re: Beatles, Schmeatles - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Natalie Jane Jacobs" To: Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 5:51 PM Subject: Beatles, Schmeatles >(Who is he, anyway? Wilfrid Brambell > Some British character actor, I assume?) Irish to be exact (but don't trust me on that one) > Anyway, I hadn't heard a lot of that earlier material > for a while, and it dawned on me... it's utterly banal. Musically great - > it's impossible to get those tunes out of your head - well I find it musically just as banal, apart for being partly self composed and whole self played, I don't think they had anything special over other R'n'R bands. this two things are of a huge importance yet it don't reflect the music. and in a way some of the: let's play it ourself did the music not as good - they weren't pros at playing their instruments. I believe there material stnds for itself musically just from Revolver and on. that was the first Psycadelic album and has new sort of things in it. b4? nay. but this is only me? and what do I know? :- NOE ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #292 ********************************