From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #291 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, July 30 2001 Volume 10 : Number 291 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Das Bootles ["victorian squid" ] S.O.S. [Eb ] Re: Das Bootles [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Welease Woderwick! [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: S.O.S. [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Looking For Soft Boys Shows. ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: Welease Woderwick! [HAL ] RE: S.O.S. ["Brian Huddell" ] Re: Welease Woderwick! [HAL ] Re: S.O.S. [HAL ] Re: Das Bootles [Michael R Godwin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 21:19:27 -0700 From: "victorian squid" Subject: Re: Das Bootles On Sat, 28 Jul 2001 11:36:49 James Dignan wrote: >Bad Beatles (sacrilege!) - um... Run for your life, It's only love, Good >night, This boy, Mr. Moonlight, and possibly Anna (Go to him). Huh, see, this is weird. I really like "Anna". The original is way better but I think Lennon did a good job with it. It sounded like his heart was in it, which isn't the case with a lot of the weaker covers. I don't like "Mr. Moonlight" very much but again, I seem to have taken the phrase "Beatles songs" more literally than everyone else in that despite the thread originator including covers I didn't think it meant "Carl Perkins songs covered by the Beatles" :). >Intriguingly, the first two (written by my favourite Beatle) are also songs >that John himself hated. You know, it's funny, but I could swear he also said that "Run For Your Life" was a favorite of "peace and love" George's. >Personally, I rank "I want you (She's so heavy)" as the best track on Abbey >Road. It's the one chance that John got to throw something good into the >concept opera Paul was making. Are we from the same planet? :) I say this for two reasons, and the first would be......this is the ONE chance? And you think "Come Together" is what, exactly, then? The second would be that I like the concept opera that Paul was making. In fact I sometimes think side 2 of Abbey Road is my favorite Beatles. >that album too, but how anyone can rank IWY(SSH) below the stodge of >Maxwell's Silver Hammer, Oh Darling, and the like is beyond me. Easily. I think "Maxwell" is hilarious and "Oh Darling" isn't the best song ever but it's fun and it has a great vocal. >suite? Good idea! Let's cobble together all those ideas I can't finish and >call it "Admiral Halsey" or "Band on the Run" or something. Paul's early >solo songs either used this method, or sounded like half-finished songs. Clearly we disagree on some fundamental level as I think both of these songs work, particularly the latter, and I hardly think all of the early solo stuff sounds unfinished. You're referring to "McCartney", "Wild Life" and "Ram", I take it? Sure, some of it does, and in a way that was more acceptable in 1970ish than it is now (not an excuse, just saying, the climate was a bit different). But I like "Ram" a lot (I'm always defending this damn thing) and really like the "people having fun jamming in the studio and just seeing where they end up" feel of it. And for all that, "Monkberry Moon Delight", "Dear Boy", &c. sound like they're as finished as they need to be. >there was no competition, and (certainly in Linda's case) no criticism of >the weaker material. Now here we agree. I think she really did try, but it wasn't exactly a native talent.Some shots in that "Wingspan" documentary were pretty revealing. Home movies of them just messing around on guitar or whatever. Well, Paul is just messing around. Linda's face is a mass of frowny concentration. >something that would remind us all of what they used to have. It's perhaps >no surprise that it was George - who hadn't lost a partnership to the same >extent - who would produce the first few strong songs after the band's >demise. Oh James, with all due respect, WHAT??????? Unless my dates are wrong and "All Things Must Pass" came out BEFORE both "Plastic Ono Band" and "Maybe I'm Amazed". loveonya, susan email change coming soon, should be the last one ever, hopefully Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 00:54:54 -0700 From: Eb Subject: S.O.S. Well, I'm in deep computer doo-doo again. Major hard-drive breakdown, today. Diagnostics say bad blocks. Computer's functionality has been wildly up and down all day, though I've managed to band-aid some of the corrupt-file problems. Most software is working, but some software isn't (AOL, Photoshop). Time to buy an Imac, and give up on this old warhorse. But the backup problem is formidable. Especially because this computer is SCSI, while an Imac would be USB. Two different Zip drives required? Similarly, even floppy discs won't help, since Imacs don't have floppy drives.... This is dire, dire, dire. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 20:56:56 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Das Bootles >and definitely in the top ten of albums ever, but middling by Beatles >standards).> > >so that would mean, what, five or six beatles albums in the top ten albums >ever? ahem. This is what comes of writing when I'm overtired. What that SHOULD have read was "...definitely in the top ten percent of..." Let's face it, would a pedant such as I write 'the top ten of albums'? ;) James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 21:19:49 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Welease Woderwick! While we're on the subject of the Beatles, you might (not) be interested to know that there is an online petition attempting to get Brian Epstein inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. Why he hasn't been there for years is anyone's guess... Anyway, if anyone's interested in signing, it can be found at James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 11:52:12 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: S.O.S. - -- Eb is rumored to have mumbled on Sonntag, 29. Juli 2001 0:54 Uhr -0700 regarding S.O.S.: > Well, I'm in deep computer doo-doo again. Sorry to hear about that. > Major hard-drive breakdown, today. Diagnostics say bad blocks. Computer's > functionality has been wildly up and down all day, though I've managed to > band-aid some of the corrupt-file problems. Most software is working, but > some software isn't (AOL, Photoshop). For the time being you could try to reinstall that software, but it's basically a matter of chance whether you hit the bad blocks with that or not. Hard Disk Toolkit lets you reformat a drive with mapping out bad blocks, but from my experience that doesn't work very well, because the situation often deteriorates in a hurry... > Time to buy an Imac, and give up on > this old warhorse. But the backup problem is formidable. Especially > because this computer is SCSI, while an Imac would be USB. Two different > Zip drives required? Similarly, even floppy discs won't help, since Imacs > don't have floppy drives.... What kind of Mac do you currently have? Your best bet is probably Ethernet. Just make a small network and copy everything over while you can. Don't you do any external storage besides floppies? USB floppy drives are cheap, but I don't ever use floppies anymore, so I wouldn't recommend that. Your new iMac will have a CD-RW inside, so the backup issue should be trivial going forward. (This "going forward" is a recent addition to the American vocabulary, isn't it? I don't remember having heard it 10 years back...) Good luck, Sebastian - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ This mail was sent using Mac OS X ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 10:45:47 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Looking For Soft Boys Shows. Hi, I set out a poor somewhat kinda youngish woodworker from New Jersey in search of a complete set Of Soft Boys recordings from the recent tour. Though on my way I encountered many beast like creatures and the like, I have come through relatively unscathed. Yet my quest has not yet resolved itself, I am missing three of the U.S. shows and many of the U.K. shows. If any friendly Fegs out in the wilderness would be able to lend me a hand through trade and such, I would be grateful. I am missing Toronto, Minneapolis and Seattle from the U.S. and Cambridge, Bristol, Brighton, Nottingham, Glasgow, London, and Oxford from the U.K. leg. Also of interest would be the gig from July 20th in London. Thank you, Max Lang _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 09:24:42 -0600 From: HAL Subject: Re: Welease Woderwick! > While we're on the subject of the Beatles, you might (not) be interested to > know that there is an online petition attempting to get Brian Epstein > inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. Why he hasn't been there for > years is anyone's guess... > > Anyway, if anyone's interested in signing, it can be found at > Let's get George and Ringo in there first. Brian wasn't all that adept at management and his book "Cellarful of Noise" was a cellarful of bullshit. He screwed up their merch deals and lost them lots of money. That's my guess as to why he hasn't been inducted. OK, he got them out of their leathers and into suits. Big deal. The guy wanted to "brown bag" the Sgt. Pepper cover, fer chrissakes. He really wasn't doing much at the end but riding the Beatles loyalty (ala Peter Brown, Derek Taylor, et. al.) /hal Least favorite Beatles tune: Mr. Moonlight, but I can't find nine others ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 10:28:00 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: S.O.S. Eb: > But the backup problem is > formidable. Especially because this computer is SCSI, while > an Imac would be USB. Two different Zip drives required? > Similarly, even floppy discs won't help, since Imacs don't > have floppy drives.... If it's so little data that you are even considering Zip or floppies, you might consider storing it on the net somewhere. I assume you have a dial-up connection, so you'd probably be uploading overnight, maybe more than one night depending upon how much data we're talking about. There are probably people on this list who wouldn't mind offering you some temporary storage (I have a private FTP that you'd be welcome to use). Save your data in smallish, password-protected archives. Smallish, so you don't have to start from the beginning if a transfer breaks. Password-protected for obvious reasons. Someone else can help you with Mac archives if you need it. Stuffit, I think, is popular. Might be easier than setting up a temporary LAN, if that's not something you're used to doing. Good luck. +brian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 09:48:21 -0600 From: HAL Subject: Re: Welease Woderwick! > Least favorite Beatles tune: Mr. Moonlight, but I can't find nine others Waitaminnit. I forgot "Sie Liebt Dich" and "Komm, Gib Mir Deine Hand". /hal, who thinks the concept of a single-disc "White Album" is the height of blasphemy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 09:58:10 -0600 From: HAL Subject: Re: S.O.S. Eb: > > But the backup problem is > > formidable. Especially because this computer is SCSI, while > > an Imac would be USB. Two different Zip drives required? Just pay a little extra for customization when you order and have a SCSI port added to your new Mac. It'll only cost about $100. That's what I did when I upgraded my old PowerPC Performa 6400 (SCSI) to a G4 tower (USB). Then you can still use your Zip to file transfer. Hope this helps. /hal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 11:44:36 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Das Bootles On Sat, 28 Jul 2001, victorian squid wrote: > Huh, see, this is weird. I really like "Anna". The original is way better > but I think Lennon did a good job with it. It sounded like his heart was in > it, which isn't the case with a lot of the weaker covers. I discovered Arthur Alexander in the late 1970s and I was surprised to find what a big influence he had been on the Beatles and the Rolling Stones. The Stones covered 'You gotta move on' and the Beatles covered not only 'Anna' but also 'Soldiers of Love' (IIRC not written by AA, but they cover his version). He also has another brilliant tune which he uses twice, in 'Everyday I have to cry some' and (?) 'Old John Amos'. The sleeve notes of the album I have also claim that his 'Go on home girl' is the first record to use 'Girl' rather than 'Babe' or 'Baby' - again a big influence on Lennon :) > In fact I sometimes think side 2 of Abbey Road is my favorite Beatles. Yes. But listen to Revolver again before making your mind up. > Unless my dates are wrong and "All Things Must Pass" came out BEFORE both > "Plastic Ono Band" and "Maybe I'm Amazed". According to http://www.warr.org/solobeats.html they all came out in 1970 (assuming you mean 'McCartney' by MIA. Solo Beatles albums appear to be listed in release order on that site as follows: McCartney (McCartney: 1970) Sentimental Journey (Starr: 1970) Beaucoups Of Blues (Starr: 1970) All Things Must Pass (Harrison: 1970) Plastic Ono Band (Lennon: 1970) So Ringo hit the ground running as the most prolific solo Beatle of 1970... - - Mike Godwin PS to Hal: Read 'Apple to the Core' before writing off Epstein. He got the Beatles to the top and kept them there throughout his life. As soon as he died, their quarrels got out of hand and the group fell apart. I grant you that he missed out on the merchandising opportunities, but if he had lived I believe he could have kept the band together for maybe another 5 years and 3 albums. Klein and Eastman just turned the Beatles into a lawsuit. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #291 ********************************