From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #290 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, July 28 2001 Volume 10 : Number 290 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Usenet recommendations? [Jay Lyall ] bad beatles, go home and burn your english kinos ["ross taylor" ] Re: bad beatles, go home and burn your english kinos ["Ultimate Goal" ] Re: Usenet recommendations? [Aaron Mandel ] Re: bad beatles, go home and burn your english kinos ["ross taylor" ] Re: bad beatles, go home and burn your english kinos [Jeff Dwarf ] beetles - reap (no, not that one) ["jbranscombe@compuserve.com" ] Finger Sandwiches anyone? ["Seth Frisby" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 14:03:34 -0500 From: Jay Lyall Subject: Usenet recommendations? Damn that Southwestern Bell - they are yanking all the MP3 groups from their usenet servers. Anyone have any recommendations on public services that carry RH type of material and other musical oddities? Cheers Jay - ----------------------------- Jay Lyall http://home.swbell.net/jlyall Love's just a mobster and I'm the one he stabs So I sent you this lobster because you gave me crabs . [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 16:09:29 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: bad beatles, go home and burn your english kinos mostly beating up on the tough guy let it be -- title says it all I'm happy just 2 dance with u everybodys trying 2 be my baby mr. moonlight anna misery devil in her heart dizzy miss lizzy -- john's early r&b vocals were interesting because they sounded like a little richard sax solo played on bagpipes, but often bad choice of material run 4 your life -- mean she's so heavy -- sludge bonus-- everybody's got something to hide except for me and my monkey -- cowbell Ross Taylor Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:37:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: bad beatles, go home and burn your english kinos On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, ross taylor wrote: >bonus-- >everybody's got >something to hide >except for me and >my monkey -- cowbell That always sounded to me like a fire engine bell more than a cowbell. I love that song, however, so the bell never really bothered me all that much. -- Cheers! - -g, who thinks the White Album could have been pared down to a kick-ass single disc set ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 17:07:41 -0400 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: Re: theme tunes/did i know this? >>> anyone know what the first CD to be mass-marketed by anyone, was? > >I think the first one to get a real push for CD over other formats was Dire >Straits' Brothers In Arms, but I'm probably be wrong. you're probably right. i remember that the cd version of that album had extended versions of many of the songs. that was among the first eight cd's that my roomate-at-the-time and i went in on together when we bought a cd player. *are the ones that i kept when we parted ways: notorious* stop making sense* nothing like the sun* so* genesis big generator brothers in arms crest of a knave '52nd street' came soon after... >So...what was the first TV theme you ever heard? ;) i'll say 'sesame street' though more likely it was some soap theme like that piano bit from 'the young & the restless'. musical methadone... >Bad Beatles: i'll say that, in general, it's on their earlier albums that you find the clunkers. i don't pull those albums out very often and, consequently, can't recall a lot of songs. in comparison, i have no problem with any of the albums after dylan smoked them out, the cartoon soundtrack notwithstanding. here are a few that really irritate me so much that i couldn't forget them: honey don't, a taste of honey, you like me too much, til there was you, mr moonlight >Yes, well, being an ancient crone of 30 I can tell you missy (the day I get to call >people "missy" and "sonny" for real will be a fun day for me :)), 27 is a nothing >birthday as far as that is concerned. You're still in the 20 decade. All those opinion >polls and the like still have you in the young, hip 18-29 section. I have moved up to >the 30-45 section. yup, there's something inherently wrong about including myself in that age category. you're only as old as you act. i have less than a week to go before (august first, 1968, the day those beat boys recorded 'hey jude') i hit the next big hurdle, thirty three. that's how old jesus was when he was crucified! ken "keep your eye on the sparrow" the kenster np the singles bikini kill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 17:16:33 -0400 From: "Ultimate Goal" Subject: Re: bad beatles, go home and burn your english kinos My brother and I were just praising the cow bell on this song two weeks ago. Nuppy >From: Glen Uber >Reply-To: Glen Uber >To: ross taylor >CC: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Re: bad beatles, go home and burn your english kinos >Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:37:07 -0700 (PDT) > >On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, ross taylor wrote: > > >bonus-- > >everybody's got > >something to hide > >except for me and > >my monkey -- cowbell > >That always sounded to me like a fire engine bell more than a cowbell. I >love that song, however, so the bell never really bothered me all that >much. > > -- > >Cheers! >-g, who thinks the White Album could have been pared down to a kick-ass >single disc set _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 14:30:15 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: tang-tina >From: Natalie Jane Jacobs > >Drew, the other anti-gnat*, says: > > >So are our musical tastes _completely_ mutually exclusive -- > >except maybe for XTC and Robyn Hitchcock? > >I dunno. Go to http://www.bitmine.net/~gnat/noise.html and see if there's >anything there that you like. :) Oh, yes, there is, so I can't claim to be an anti-gnat. I also like Syd Barrett, Joy Division, Negativland, Hersh, the Muses, Nick Drake, and Eno (but only in collaboration). >You're a Bowie fan, right? 'Cause I do *own* a Bowie record ("Station to >Station"). I used to know this guy who was always yammering at me to >listen to it, but so far I've only removed the shrink wrap. (I bought it >about three years ago.) My enjoyment of Bowie decreases with Bowie's age at time of recording, pretty much. So Station to Station is okay in my book, but if you're not burning to listen to it you probably won't like it. >Says you. :P I don't really dislike Kate Bush (or should that be >"KaTe"?) Um...no. Despite having spent a fair amount of time on rec.music.gaffa way back when, the only time I was ever deemed quotable was when I was slamming a pretty mediocre late-period Kate Bush B-side. I was annoyed and wrote to them asking them to remove the quote, but there was no response. >but her swoony, rapturous style kind of bores me. I was just in >a clothing store recently and one of her records was playing, and I >started mimicking her helium voice, probably confusing the shop owners. Must have been one of her earlier records -- her vocal qualities have changed in a lot of ways over the years. But yeah, I'm pretty sensitive to voice and it has a lot of sway over my musical tastes. Kate's voice has never really put me off, but I find Galaxie 500 unbearable and Luna only slightly less so because of Dean Wareham's incredibly irritating vocals. >*The original anti-gnat is, of course, woj. Good company on both sides of the fence, then! >From: Eb > >I was fooling around last night, and narrowed down a list of my 10 >least-favorite Beatle songs (not counting posthumous rarities). I'm a pretty casual Beatles fan, so I doubt I've even heard any of your bottom 10. The only one that comes to mind offhand is "Run For Your Life," which I always stop before hearing. Looking ahead in the digest to other people's least faves, I see I'm in agreement with a lot of them. >From: "Seth Frisby" > >No..no Quail visitations..I think my entertaining hallucinations are a gift >of the highest order. I mean wouldn't you rather live in a world where you >can get your brain unclogged for $25 dollars, and where Doctor Zaius sits in >a fancy SUV idly petting a puppy? Speaking of...saw Planet of the Apes over my lunch "hour" with some co-workers. It was...okay. That's all. So: least favorite Robyn Hitchcock songs? Has this been done too recently? Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 17:40:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Usenet recommendations? On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Jay Lyall wrote: > Damn that Southwestern Bell - they are yanking all the MP3 groups from > their usenet servers. Anyone have any recommendations on public > services that carry RH type of material and other musical oddities? On this topic, I never could get usenet downloads to work when someone posted that Live At The Cambridge Arms and other ancient vinyl had appeared on alt.binaries.mp3.70s. Is there a feggish ftp server somewhere with these? aaron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 17:42:03 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: Re: bad beatles, go home and burn your english kinos My feeling is that having seen the Feelies do it, the Beatles version is just second rate. :) Ross Taylor loved their version of Fame in "Something Wild" - -- On Fri, 27 Jul 2001 17:16:33 Ultimate Goal wrote: >My brother and I were just praising the cow bell on this song two weeks ago. > >Nuppy > > >>From: Glen Uber >>Reply-To: Glen Uber >>To: ross taylor >>CC: fegmaniax@smoe.org >>Subject: Re: bad beatles, go home and burn your english kinos >>Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:37:07 -0700 (PDT) >> >>On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, ross taylor wrote: >> >> >bonus-- >> >everybody's got >> >something to hide >> >except for me and >> >my monkey -- cowbell >> >>That always sounded to me like a fire engine bell more than a cowbell. I >>love that song, however, so the bell never really bothered me all that >>much. >> >> -- >> >>Cheers! >>-g, who thinks the White Album could have been pared down to a kick-ass >>single disc set > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 00:03:57 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: bad beatles, go home and burn your english kinos - -- Ultimate Goal is rumored to have mumbled on Freitag, 27. Juli 2001 17:16 Uhr -0400 regarding Re: bad beatles, go home and burn your english kinos: > My brother and I were just praising the cow bell on this song two weeks > ago. > > Nuppy > > >> From: Glen Uber >> Reply-To: Glen Uber >> To: ross taylor >> CC: fegmaniax@smoe.org >> Subject: Re: bad beatles, go home and burn your english kinos >> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:37:07 -0700 (PDT) >> >> On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, ross taylor wrote: >> >> > bonus-- >> > everybody's got >> > something to hide >> > except for me and >> > my monkey -- cowbell >> >> That always sounded to me like a fire engine bell more than a cowbell. I >> love that song, however, so the bell never really bothered me all that >> much. That's nothing compared to The Feelies' version on "Crazy Rhythms", let alone them doing it live. The song, that is. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 11:36:49 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Das Bootles, Language >in mid-summer this becomes a psuedo-robyn list. we are sligthly deciduous >but just wait awhile and the fur will return, unless of course either of the >William's sisters is playing. mid-summer. Don't I wish. There's snow forecast for Monday. "sligthly deciduous" I like that. Good name for a child. >and James thanks for telling me there's a name for what happens in my brain. >Jamais Vu..I'll have to remember that. Why is it that the French have a word >for this but the English language doesn't? I also heard someone exclaim that >the Spanish language has more words for spiritual and existential matters >than most languages..I wonder what makes a language evolve to the point >where terms like these are necessary. Plus why wouldn't all languages >eventually get to this point? Pretty soon someone will invent the perfect >language...I hope I'll be able to pronounce it ;) well it's *similar* to jamais vu, but it may have a different name. It may technically be something like visual parapraxis, I'm not sure. (The best known form of parapraxis is the verbal one, a.k.a. the Freudian slip). As for the language thing, English is the great gannet language. It is rich because it borrows words from all over the place. Every people on the planet has a different view of the way the world is made up, and that is automatically reflected in the language. That old chestnut about the inuit having ninety-twelve words for snow isn't that far from an important concept. If Spain has more words for spiritual matters, it may reflect something about the people - and Spain has for centuries been deeply involved in religious affairs, from being the border between the Christian and Islamic worlds through to Michael Palin and the comfy chair. Similarly, many movements of psychology were founded in the German speaking world, and German has many more words for states of mind and related concepts than other languages (from schadenfreude to weltschmerz). Sometimes it's small things - the Russian word for field literally means a clearing in the forest (and there is technically no plural form of the word forest - all wooded areas are seen as being part of one giant forest). Bad Beatles (sacrilege!) - um... Run for your life, It's only love, Good night, This boy, Mr. Moonlight, and possibly Anna (Go to him). Intriguingly, the first two (written by my favourite Beatle) are also songs that John himself hated. Then again, it's amazing that he and Paul had time to write anything in '64 - '66 - as dmw said, they were working damned hard. > 2) Revolution 9 >/too easy a choice i suppose/ don't see why, it's not as bad as a lot of others. >Susan, I totally agree about 'I want you (she's so heavy)'. Abbey Road >ought to be the Beatles best album, but this track wrecks it completely. >Macca put together 60%+ of this excellent album, so why did the light go >out when he went solo? Personally, I rank "I want you (She's so heavy)" as the best track on Abbey Road. It's the one chance that John got to throw something good into the concept opera Paul was making. George came up with some excellent songs for that album too, but how anyone can rank IWY(SSH) below the stodge of Maxwell's Silver Hammer, Oh Darling, and the like is beyond me. There are some good sections in the long second half (You never give me your money, Sun King, Polythene Pam), but I've always regarded this album as somewhat overrated (still excellent, and definitely in the top ten of albums ever, but middling by Beatles standards). As for Macca solo, I think he just lost the ability to finish songs properly. Abbey Road pointed the way he was going to go, sadly. Why be content with a song when you can lump together snatches of song into a suite? Good idea! Let's cobble together all those ideas I can't finish and call it "Admiral Halsey" or "Band on the Run" or something. Paul's early solo songs either used this method, or sounded like half-finished songs. It's also clear that Paul and John knew each other so well that they weren't afraid to say when they thought something the other one did was crap. They also were very competitive - if one wrote a good song the other had to go one better. Once that partnership was gone, they each turned to their wives to fill in the gap, turning them from non-musicians who were visual artists into musical partners. They bouced their ideas off them, but there was no competition, and (certainly in Linda's case) no criticism of the weaker material. Both of them lost that beautiful well-honed songwriting edge, although at times each of them could come up with something that would remind us all of what they used to have. It's perhaps no surprise that it was George - who hadn't lost a partnership to the same extent - who would produce the first few strong songs after the band's demise. James "Cranberry Sauce" Dignan James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 19:37:30 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: bad beatles, go home and burn your english kinos Ross: >everybody's got something to hide except >for me and my monkey -- cowbell Ha. Something tells me you're not a fan of "Drive My Car" or "You Can't Do That," either. ;) (Incidentally, "Drive My Car" may be my least favorite Beatles *hit*, and the cowbell is definitely part of the problem.) I'm a bit bewildered at some of the songs I've seen bashed (the above "Monkey," "No Reply," "Piggies," "I Want You She's So Heavy," "Hey Jude," "Nowhere Man," certain Let It Be tracks...), but of course, such polls always produce these sorts of surprises. I also always grumble when I see "Revolution #9" singled out for abuse, but I guess I can empathize. It's odd, though -- I first heard that track when I was 10 or 11 and barely knew any music beyond classical, Beatles and top-40 radio, and it *never* seemed all that weird/inaccessible/grating to me. For me, the dead patch on the White Album is "Long Long Long," not "Revolution #9." Heck, I even like "Revolution #9" better than "Revolution #1." For masochism's sake, I went back and re-listened to "Honey Don't," just to count how many times Ringo sings the title words. The tally was 22 times -- that's in under three minutes. :) And yes, Mike, Carl Perkins doesn't do much for me. I think those repetitive, banal tunes were beneath the Beatles. Unrelated new-band tip: Fans of Jason Falkner/Jellyfish/Crowded House and the like might be interested in the new Webb Brothers album, Maroon. I have mixed feelings, but do like it enough to keep it around. http://www.thewebbbrothers.com Feelm: I recently saw "Bringing Out the Dead," and thought this was easily the worst Scorsese film ever. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 01:11:27 EDT From: DDerosa5@aol.com Subject: Re: TV themes OK, it's official. I looked through five full digests with discussion of this thread, and not one of you, all (well, most) of whose musical knowledge I respect, mentioned the master of the quick, instrumental, catchy stuck-in-your-head-make-it-go-away theme song: Esquivel, Juan Garcia Esquivel. Best example: I dream of Jeannie. (Which I just heard done tonight by a New Orleans-style trombone band in Dupont Circle, but that's another weirdness...) I don't remember his others, though I remember him saying when I interviewed him years ago for the defunct-iest edition ever of Lumpen, that he's done many, and I recognized a few... wait, lemme check the liner notes to Music from a SParkling Planet: hmmm, just disney shit like The Tall Man, Markham, and the Bob Cummings SHow. Anyone else know? Sure, Esquivel's work wasn't as cool as say the theme to Barney Miller, but I'd say the theme to Batman came from him (obviously zu zu zu and boing! led to biff! and pow!), not to mention Brian Wilson, Stereolab, and John Zorn. and any of the rest of us with short attention spans. His music was made for TV. dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 23:20:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Re: Usenet recommendations? There used to be a server thru the yahoo club. No sure if it is still up or not. Herbie - --- Jay Lyall wrote: > Damn that Southwestern Bell - they are yanking all > the MP3 groups from their > usenet servers. Anyone have any recommendations on > public services that > carry RH type of material and other musical > oddities? > > Cheers > Jay > ----------------------------- > Jay Lyall > http://home.swbell.net/jlyall > Love's just a mobster and I'm the one he stabs > So I sent you this lobster because you gave me crabs > . > > [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type > application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 23:24:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: bad beatles, go home and burn your english kinos Eb wrote: > I also always grumble when I see "Revolution #9" singled out for > abuse, but I guess I can empathize. It's odd, though -- I first heard > that track when I was 10 or 11 and barely knew any music beyond > classical, Beatles and top-40 radio, and it *never* seemed all that > weird/inaccessible/grating to me. For me, the dead patch on the > White Album is "Long Long Long," not "Revolution #9." Heck, I even > like "Revolution #9" better than "Revolution #1." well, my problem with "R9" isn't that it's weird; it's that's boring while aspiring to be weird... i can't believe i forgot to list "Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da" though. ===== "Loyalty to a petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul." -- Mark Twain "The divinity of Jesus has been made a convenient cover for every absurdity." -- John Adams "The jury is the last line of defense against corporate misconduct." -- Craig McDonald, Texans for Public Justice Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 02:21:36 -0700 From: "Motherfucking Asshole" Subject: Re: Das Bootles, Language so that would mean, what, five or six beatles albums in the top ten albums ever? apparently you have to use it at least once per 90 days, or you're totally fucked. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 06:36:08 -0400 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: beetles Someone dissed Got To Get You Into My Life. All the anoraks out there, take a look at the session players on that track...you'll understand why I think it's one of their greatest achievements ;-) To complete my Beatles connections, my mother lives with Derek Taylor's brother! Full catch-up post to follow. jmbc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 07:04:19 -0400 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: beetles - reap (no, not that one) Sorry, back again rather quickly... Haven't seen it mentioned here but Johnny Russell, composer of Act Naturally died a few weeks back. Now there's a song that when I hear it sometimes I laugh and think 'Great' and other times I think 'What a bag of shite'. A lot, all right, quite a few Fabs songs fall into that slightly odd, mood-related category for me. Yellow Sub, Ob la di even Hey Jude... I like the 50s covers in general as well, and have often met a certain snobbish attitude that thinks that, 'Yes, well they did rock'n'roll when they were kiddies and then grew up to produce art'...Harumph! (Not suggesting you're guilty of that Ebothy...just a comment ;-)) jmbc - whose fave beatles song is still She Loves You ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 08:05:35 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Crappy Beatles and baby names Baby names: http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/07/27/baby.naming.ap/index.html Crappy Beatles: I'm sensing that a lot of people are listing songs they don't like rather than songs they thing are bad. There are a lot of Beatles songs I could put into the "don't like" category, but a most of them are there due to overexposure. Here are some that I believe are as close to actual crap as they ever got: Chains Mr Moonlight Wild Honey Pie Good Night You Know My Name Bungalow Bill When I Get home Maggie Mae Susan's list is like the bizzaro world version of mine. Many of my faves there. I've always liked "Long Long Long," especially since reading that the rattling sound at the end was a bottle of Blue Nun vibrating on a speaker cabinet. And I'm curious as to what Glen's favorite Beatles song (a Harrison comp.) is, as I've come to the recent conclusion that "Here Comes The Sun" is the best thing George ever wrote. rUss (bizzaro SuSAN) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 22:07:43 -0400 From: "Seth Frisby" Subject: Finger Sandwiches anyone? All this talk about cafeteria's reminds me of my high school's recent claim to fame. Yeah it was my ex-high school that served the sandwich that contained most of a thumb in it. Some poor girl actually was eating the sandwich when she found it...I wonder why the lunch workers didn't try to find it sooner? Good ol' Barnstable High School cafe, even Jay Leno made a bad joke about them. A friend's younger brother who still goes there told me that on the following day someone asked for "finger" sandwiches and was suspended for two day! Can you really be suspended for being a wise-ass? sheesh...of course I think humor is always appropriate no matter the circumstances. ...and Steve you're correct. When certain states don't have any use for the word evolution i'm sure there are other laws of communication and language being broken or neglected. I heard a neat piece on NPR about how Naples residents(Italy not Florida) have some of the most communicative and complicated hand gestures. Not quite sign language yet still complicated enough to add a whole other dimension of communication. I guess in northern european countries (U.S. included) gestures are perceived as being for the stupid or those overcome with emotion. Oh and we don't have siestas, which is of course a great idea that we missed out on. Most of my artistic friends have the wildest hand gestures when talking, often to the point where I have to move full glasses away from them. ....let's see an interesting music rumor (from Fripp) is that he might do a little bit of live work with Eno. Which will be great especially if Eno ever finishes his vocal album the world's been waiting for nigh on a decade... off I go... Seth FrisKy (spell check loves changing my name) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #290 ********************************