From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #273 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, July 12 2001 Volume 10 : Number 273 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: ae [the other white meat ] Re: ae [Ken Weingold ] Re: ae ["victorian squid" ] Re: A.I. Fight Club, now with dinosaurs! [JH3 ] Books/Movies/TV [steve ] Re: ae [Eb ] Re; spot the loony [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: ae [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Moo-Vee [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: For you librarians ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: diphthongs and ITA-? thought you might find interesting ["Stewart C. ] Re: ae ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V10 #271 ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V10 #271 ["Sweet & Tender Hooligan" ] bah humbug [gnat@shaft.bitmine.net] don't fight it ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: don't fight it ["JH3" ] Re: don't fight it [Viv Lyon ] Re: don't fight it ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: spoilers [Ken Ostrander ] Re: spoilers [Tom Clark ] Re: spoilers [Christopher Gross ] Re: don't fight it ["Maximilian Lang" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:28:20 -0400 From: the other white meat Subject: Re: ae when we last left our heroes, Capuchin exclaimed: >On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Stewart C. Russell wrote: >> we call 'em "ash", but that could be old typesetter's terminology. i think it's more likely just the name given the ligature by the anglo-saxons who actually used it (ala thorn, eth, wynn). i'd wager that the name has something to do with the rune aesc, but i don't know that for a fact. >That sounds very familiar. maybe you are thinking of . +w ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:34:57 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: ae On Thu, Jul 12, 2001, James Dignan wrote: > >Are something like 'encyclopaedia' and 'encyclopedia' actually > >pronounced differently? > > yes. The second one gets an American accent ;) > > seriously, I've never heard the accent difference, but seeing words without > the 'a' does grate on my eyes a bit. Heh heh. Then it's not a diphthong. Either they both are or both aren't. [i] or [iy]. > I think they use the American spellings, because it's part of their title, > same as we here talk about the Australian Labor Party, whereas the NZ > Labour Party is just that. One thing that is slowly creeping in here (to my > slight disgust) is the American pronunciation of defence (DEEE-fence), as > opposed to the former, British, standards (duh-FENCE). Hey, here in NY, we say (duh-FENCE), as in "get off da fence". - -Ken ps: saw The Cult tonight. Good show, but shitty crowd, sound, and venue. Too bad, since it's been so long since I have seen them. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 22:13:19 -0700 From: "victorian squid" Subject: Re: ae On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:34:57 Ken Weingold wrote: >Hey, here in NY, we say (duh-FENCE), as in "get off da fence". I hadn't really given it much thought before reading James' post, but as long as I can remember, everywhere I've lived in the US (and that would be Southwest, New England, Midwest and now Pac Northwest), the majority of people use duh-FENCE when talking about things like "Secretary of" and DEE-fence when it's sports/games related. I have no idea why the distinction or how this custom arose. You'll be talking to someone and they'll say "the duh-FENCE budget blah blah" and then five minutes later will turn back to the game on the TV and exclaim "DEE-FENCE!!!! WHERE'S THE *#&*$% DEE-FENCE!!!!!" :). loveonya, susan Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:25:04 -0500 From: JH3 Subject: Re: A.I. Fight Club, now with dinosaurs! >> I shouldn't speak on Eddie's behalf, but why should any self- >> respecting political dissident enjoy a movie that suggests that >> wanting to dismantle or demolish the trappings of modern >> corporatized "culture" must somehow require you to be a... >> (etc., etc.) > I don't think it suggested that at all. When Thelma and Louise > showed two women fleeing to Mexico after killing a rapist, > did this suggest that you somehow must be a woman who's > killed a rapist in order to drive to Mexico? Are you trying to tell me that *other* people would drive to Mexico? Dammit, Chris, now I'm beginning to question the veracity of everything you've ever posted to this list... John H. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:38:04 -0500 From: steve Subject: Books/Movies/TV Pocket books is reissuing The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai as a trade paperback in December. Can the DVD be far behind? Earl Mac Rauch is writing a new introduction. http://www.figmentfly.com/bb/bbarticle.html http://www.goshen.edu/~johnml/banzai_script.html http://www.banzai-institute.com http://members.aol.com/wwatchone/web/wwonline.htm http://www.badmovies.org/movies/buckaroo http://www.starland.com/bb/index.html __________ Bantam will publish Tanith Lee's sequel to The Silver Metal Lover. No title or publication date yet. Miramax has the film rights to the original novel. __________ Spoilers for the first 8 Buffy episodes of next season - http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/display.cgi?id=9473 __________ Nadia v. Atlantis - http://www.zero-city.com/nadia/nadia_vs_atlantis.html That is all - Steve __________ President Bush's roster of nominees for key environmental policy jobs is brimming with lawyers and lobbyists for the very industries these officials will oversee in their government posts. - Elizabeth Shogren, LA Times ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:31:58 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: ae >ps: saw The Cult tonight. Wow, and I thought the *Daniel Johnston* show was cruel and unusual punishment. I tip my hat to you. ;) Eb, fairly amazed at the sustained intensity of this "dipthong" discussion ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:55:35 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re; spot the loony try this site! James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:56:27 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: ae all this talk over one little piece of type! >My friend Nathan and I worked out a phonetic alphabet once where there was >a vowel for every single vowel sound and the consonants were accented to >show whether they are vocalized or merely fricative. I once did a similar thing, extending the alphabet to include 'ah' and 'oh' diphthongs for the sounds of the name Bach and the word loch. Not much, and certainly nowhere near as impressive as the alphabet used by Shriekback for the lyric sheet of "Oil and gold". FWIW, the Maori alphabet uses two 'letters' that should be ligatures - "wh" (pronounced as a soft 'f') and "ng" (pronounced similar to the first pair in 'longing' - and often found at the beginning of words). Sadly they are simply written as wh and ng. That makes 16 letters: AEHIKLMNngOPRTUWwh ("L" is only used in some regions). FWIW. >My impression was that a diphthong was any vowel sound that is >pronounced as two "pure" vowel sounds blending together, and >whether they were written with one character or the two conjoined >characters comprising a ligature was another matter. Thus, the >long "i" sound, though spelled with only the letter 'i' is a >diphthong since it's pronounced with the a (like in 'father') >and the long 'e' sound blending together. my handy dandy dictionary says: Ligature - 5. a character or type containing two or more letters; Diphthong - 2. either of the two ligatures 'ae' or 'oe' , originally pronounced as diphthongs (definition 1) in Classical Latin but in modern English rendered as single vowels. >Shaw pointed out that not only could fish be spelled 'ghoti,' but potato >could be rendered as 'ghoughbteighpteau' the logic being thus: There used to be a local band called Wazzo Ghoti (Wazzo Fish). As for Shaw, he was Irish - and I know from my own genealogy research just how many letters can be fitted into two Irish syllables! James O'Duibhgeannain James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:02:30 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Moo-Vee >why, within just the last few weeks, i've screened three classics which i'd >somehow theretofore avoided seeing. here's a brief report: > >- --Rebel Without A Cause. perhaps the most overrated piece of crap i have >EVER seen. DAMN, that movie stanks! >- --Nashville. good, but not nearly so good as i'd been expecting. >- --A Passage To India. superior. possibly cracks my all-time top-thirty. and I, coincidentally, last week saw "The Crying Game" for the first time Oh, and if you haven't, go see Memento. It is a goody. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:28:38 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: For you librarians Capuchin wrote: > > So how are you supposed to get a capital? &Aelig; It's all in the HTML spec, and in Goldfarb. > By the way, I firmly believe in numerical references. I've thought about > incorporating simpe routines into my cgis that make every character a > numerical reference. it's one of the ways that people avoid spam when putting an e-mail address in a web page. That, or building strings of hex chars in Javascript. > after all, why else would there be > browser-specific tags in the first place? stupidity? malice? > That sounds very familiar. What do you call the oe ligature? "oe ligature". There are fewer incidences of it than ash. > Oh, and I just saw today that Collins belongs to NewsCorp. Yipes! > I'm sure it's a good job, Stewart, but... Naw, it sucks, but we get to play with words and unix machines and get cheap books, so it has its perks. - -- Stewart C. Russell Senior Analyst Programmer stewart@ref.collins.co.uk Collins Dictionaries use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Bishopbriggs, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:44:38 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: diphthongs and ITA-? thought you might find interesting lj lindhurst wrote: > > When I was in kindergarten, they taught us "ITA" ... > Was anyone else subjected to this system? Brits, maybe? I didn't learn it, but a local primary school used it in its very progressive open-plan classes. When the kids transferred to other schools, they tended to end up as "rems" (as we so sensitively called the remedial class). I narrowly missed buying the ITA manual in a library clearout sale (snagged some ace 70s FORTRAN manuals though -- dig the style: http://homepages.enterprise.net/scruss/GroovyComputers.html). I'm not sure if it was a lucky escape. > Anyone who is more interested can see their Web site: > http://www.itafoundation.org/i.t.a.htm . thanks for this. I thought that ITA was completely dead. I have a lengthy report to write soon, and I was going to write it in IPA just for badness, but ITA seems even better! Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:04:37 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: ae Capuchin wrote: > > On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Michael R Godwin wrote: > > > "Aegis" is always spelled that way, so far as I know. > > > > Why? Either you're going to abolish diphthongs or you ain't! > > Unfortunately we're stuck with monstrosities like the short i sound. the only monstrous sounds are the ones that people can't pronounce -- like a glottal trill. I can wholeheartedly recommend this CD: http://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/home/wells/cassette.htm -- it's a couple of trained stunt phoeticists at UCL going through the sounds. It even has a CDDB entry! Phonetic alphabets are fun, but you might as well use the "real" one (which is pretty much notable by its absence in most US dictionaries, and quite badly abused in British ones): http://www2.arts.gla.ac.uk/IPA/ipa.html Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:06:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V10 #271 Eb provided a nice review of a Quasi show: > Quasi performed a great set. Weiss is now playing occasional keyboard as > well as drums, and she had a small keyboard sitting adjacent to her drum > kit. On one song, she played keyboard with her right hand while playing > drums with her feet and left hand. Off the top of my head, I can recall two other drummers doing this. First is NY jazzbo Joey Baron (Naked City, Baron Down, everybody else who plays jazz for Knitting Factory), and Paul Lovens, whom I saw perform with horn player Mats Gustafson a few weeks ago and who completely rearranged everything I thought I knew about jazz, drumming, and what you can do with a saw. But I've always considered Weiss a solid and impressive drummer. Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:16:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: my word cents I've been following the dipthong/phonetics/movie threads, and now I'd like to throw in my two cents: First, a pithy quote: "The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary." - -- James D. Nicoll Second, this essay to Steven Pinker really impressed me -- it discusses, among other things, how the rules adhered to by today's prescriptivsts are based on fads established in the 18th century. Pinker actually got me thinking that using the word [hopefully] isn't the heinous act of an uncouth cad: And finally, make take on movies: Fiction = temporary suspension of disbelief. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I have my own valise of baggage about plot, character, fictional devices, and so on, which I carry to every movie, as most of you do. But I was delighted and transfixed by AI. I used to *hate* Spielberg, but his last two films had made me think more than any other films I've seen in a long time. I think the idea of humans transforming themselves into intelligent, self- replicating machines is a Beautiful Meme, and it's a subject one of my favorite writers, Rudy Rucker, has been addressing for decades, and which I think about a lot. So I was quite pleased to see it presented and portrayed so well by Spielberg and Kubrick. Come on, how can you not love translucent, genderless UltraMechas who communicate via wireless Ethernet (via IP6 and WAP, no doubt)? It's the dream of every Napster and Internet user everywhere! NP: Robert Wyatt, "Shleep" Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:58:18 -0500 From: "Sweet & Tender Hooligan" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V10 #271 > > Quasi performed a great set. Weiss is now playing > > occasional keyboard as well as drums, and she had > > a small keyboard sitting adjacent to her drum kit. > > On one song, she played keyboard with her right hand > > while playing drums with her feet and left hand. > > Off the top of my head, I can recall two other drummers > doing this. Also, the drummer for Departure Lounge (don't recall his name) did this when I saw them in Denver with Robyn. paul christian glenn | pcg@runbox.com "what's he building in there? we have a right to know..." . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:07:56 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: possible successor to napster anyone used this? any good - and does it have "spyware" in it? __ A possible successor to Napster Benny Evangelista, Chronicle Staff Writer Wednesday, July 11, 2001 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A new online file-sharing program created by a Dutch company is poised to become the next Napster and could be much harder for the music industry to stop, a Web research firm said yesterday. The program, known in different versions as Morpheus and KaZaa, attracted about 225,000 simultaneous users who downloaded 370 million files in June, according to a study by Webnoize Inc. of Cambridge, Mass. Created by FastTrack of Amsterdam, the Morpheus and KaZaa programs are now as popular as Napster was in April 2000, when publicity over copyright infringement lawsuits by major record labels and artists Metallica and Dr. Dre made Napster an international Web phenomenon. But Webnoize predicted FastTrack's popularity is also on the fast track to reach 1 million simultaneous users by September, approaching the 1.57 million simultaneous users Napster had earlier this year. "FastTrack takes over where Napster left off, setting high consumer standards for online media distribution and a challenge for media," according to the report by Webnoize analysts Gregor Rhoda, Ric Dube and Matt Bailey. The program is designed to work without a central server or distribution point, which unlike Napster will make it difficult for the record industry to shut down, the analysts said. And FastTrack has technology that avoids the congestion problems that hamper programs that tie into the decentralized Gnutella online file sharing network, which was once touted as a Napster successor. "An easily expandable network and high consumer interest position FastTrack as the genuine new Napster," the report said. The original Napster remained virtually shut down yesterday as the Redwood City company battled technological problems that forced it to block all downloading on July 1. There was no word when Napster might go back online. But Morpheus and KaZaa users yesterday could find a wide selection of free, downloadable songs once available on Napster before a federal judge in San Francisco ordered the firm to block music owned by the music companies that sued. For example, songs from the nation's top-selling album, "Songs in a Minor" by R&B artist Alicia Keys, and were available for download. There were even copies of hit movies such as "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" and software such as Microsoft's Office 2000 being shared. The privately held FastTrack first released the free KaZaa program in April 2000, and the company says more than 6 million copies have been downloaded. MusicCity Networks Inc. of Franklin, Tenn., which originally began last year as part of a Napster-clone network called OpenNap, has licensed FastTrack's KaZaa technology for its advertising-supported program dubbed Morpheus. There have been about 1 million downloads in the past week, FastTrack chief executive Niklas Zennstrom said in a telephone interview. And he said another company, Grokster Ltd., headquartered in the West Indies, has also licensed KaZaa. But Zennstrom hopes KaZaa is eventually embraced and not reviled by the world's recording industry. Zennstrom is negotiating with copyright holders in Europe to secure rights to offer songs for download. "We don't want to become the next Napster," Zennstrom said. "We want to provide the underlying technology to the next Napster." Colin Stoner, a Seattle college student who has been downloading MP3- formatted songs off the Internet for five years, called Morpheus the best Internet song-searching program to come out. "I think Morpheus is better than Napster at its peak," said Stoner, 20, who also runs a Web site called Experience-MP3.com. E-mail Benny Evangelista at bevangelista@sfchronicle.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:10:41 -0700 (PDT) From: gnat@shaft.bitmine.net Subject: bah humbug >give me a FUCKING break? to quote mr. johnnie cochran: "chewbacca lives >on endor. that does not make sense!" The rest of the movie doesn't make much sense either. There were many "Oh, come ON!!" moments throughout the film, especially towards the end. (My strongest memory of the film is Norton yelling "This is BULLSHIT!!" and my friend Colin nodding vigorous agreement.) And if you're anything like me, Eddie, you'll find that the supposed woes of white male office drones ("Oh, poor me, I'm so de-masculinized!") do not make for a particularly compelling or appealing film. The end *was* pretty cool, though. re. Margaret Cho: >Those are also matters of opinion, but not as good as mine >because they don't start with B. You could try "bitchy," "boring," or "blah," perhaps. I don't really have anything against Ms. Cho, except that what I've seen of her stand-up act relies too much on poking fun at her wacky broken-English-speaking relatives, which is a cheap laugh. gnat "MORAN!!!" the gnatster ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:23:23 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: don't fight it >From: Capuchin > >Unfortunately we're stuck with monstrosities like the short i sound. What? [Fight Club, still] >Now, as for the ending, people rave about it. I thought it was crap. I have to agree. Totally ridiculous. While we're trying to shoot down overrated movies, by the way, am I the only one who thought _American Beauty_ was shit on unbuttered toast? Talk about a movie with implausible, unappealing characters, unconvincing scenarios, and empty cliched themes. I'd almost rather watch _Tomb Raider_ again than that plastic bag of a movie. >From: Brett Cooper > >Looks like MTV put Carson Daly on a diet. He seems to have lost some >weight. I pray he loses all of it. Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:51:08 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: don't fight it > While we're trying to shoot down overrated movies, > by the way, am I the only one who thought _American > Beauty_ was shit on unbuttered toast? Talk about a > movie with implausible, unappealing characters, > unconvincing scenarios, and empty cliched themes. > I'd almost rather watch _Tomb Raider_ again than > that plastic bag of a movie. What a shock, I'm agreeing with Drew again -- but I too was less than impressed with American Beauty. What's more, the same guy is responsible for this new HBO series called "Six Feet Under," which I suppose has it's moments, but I pretty much lost all sympathy for it this past Sunday when they ended the show by playing The Blue Nile's "Let's Go Out Tonight" in order to generate an artificial sense of poignancy. Cheapest move in the BOOK! You could turn an episode of "F Troop" into a tearjerker with that one! (And they didn't even use the original LP version!) Now that I think of it, American Beauty might have worked better as an HBO miniseries. John "they'll probably use 'The Downtown Lights' next week" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:21:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Re: don't fight it On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > >Looks like MTV put Carson Daly on a diet. He seems to have lost some > >weight. > > I pray he loses all of it. I think you mean that you hope he loses all his mass (and hence ceases to exist). Although, if he became weightless, that would be pretty amusing in of itself. Reminds me of an HG Wells story about a big fat rich guy who buys a potion to help him lose weight, and he spends the rest of his days, looking as plump as ever, but having to wear ballast in his boots to keep himself anchored to the ground. Vivien ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:13:18 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: don't fight it At 01:21 PM 7/12/2001 -0700, Viv Lyon wrote: >On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > > > >Looks like MTV put Carson Daly on a diet. He seems to have lost some > > >weight. > > > > I pray he loses all of it. > >I think you mean that you hope he loses all his mass (and hence ceases to >exist). Although, if he became weightless, that would be pretty amusing in >of itself. Reminds me of an HG Wells story about a big fat rich guy who >buys a potion to help him lose weight, and he spends the rest of his days, >looking as plump as ever, but having to wear ballast in his boots to keep >himself anchored to the ground. That would be acceptable as well! Or he could become weightless by floating in the vacuum of space. Or a pony could bite off his weiner. But that seems a bit cruel. Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:21:40 -0400 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: Re: spoilers >NOT TO GIVE ANYTHING AWAY??!?!! >What the hell kind of disclaimer was that??? i just saw an amazing flick last night, a mexican movie called 'amores perros' (translation: love's a bitch). it was very violent and is definitely not for everyone; but it was one of the most affecting movies i've ever seen. there are three different stories that intertwine with dogfights (very disturbing stuff; but they make a point of assuring us before and after the movie that no animals were harmed in the making of the film, which makes the gutwrenching scenes less so), fratricide, infidelity, cataclismic life choices, and the healing power of animals in our lives. after the film my friends and i talked for hours about the implications of this incredible movie. wow. the last time a film really jazzed me this much was when i saw 'crumb'. my friend's roomate bailed out of going to see the flick with us; so we tiptoed around the plot trying not to give anything away. luckily, he had to go out for a while. i hate giving anything away. i used to have a roomate that could never make it through a movie. he would always go to bed and then ask me "what happened?" the next day. it's like cliff notes for people who can't even get through a whole movie. jeez! but the worst is my loopy aunt who goes out of her way to see every movie and get all of the inside dirt on movies so she can ruin them for anyone unlucky enough to be within earshot. the "i figured it out when" and "they die at the end" quotes literally keep coming. ken "space available" the kenster np video magic eberhard schoener ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:38:49 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: spoilers on 7/12/01 1:21 PM, Ken Ostrander at kenster@MIT.EDU wrote: > but the worst is my loopy aunt who goes out of > her way to see every movie and get all of the inside dirt on movies so she can > ruin them for anyone unlucky enough to be within earshot. the "i figured it > out when" and "they die at the end" quotes literally keep coming. My wife is legendary for falling asleep when we watch movies at home. She always wakes up during the credits and asks "What happened?" Every time I respond with "There was a big explosion and everyone died." It's become cliche by now. A few years ago we got hooked on this Stephen King miniseries that I've forgotten the name of. Something about Las Vegas, I think. Anyway, she fell asleep with about a half hour to go in the final episode and then woke up when it was over, asking what happened. She never believed me that there actually was a big explosion, and everybody really did die. Then I forced her to eat a bowl of chili made out of her parents. - -tc, who really liked American Beauty and Six Feet Under. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:51:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: spoilers On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Tom Clark wrote: > A few years ago we got hooked on this Stephen King miniseries that I've > forgotten the name of. Something about Las Vegas, I think. Anyway, she > fell asleep with about a half hour to go in the final episode and then woke > up when it was over, asking what happened. She never believed me that there > actually was a big explosion, and everybody really did die. That was "The Stand," if you're wondering. One of the better parts of Stephen King's wildly uneven oeuvre. (Or is that euvre?) > -tc, who really liked American Beauty and Six Feet Under. As for American Beauty, I agree in part with everyone: I liked it, but I still think it was badly overrated. Were there no other good movies that year? - --Chris np: my folder of Bowie mp3s ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:31:46 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: don't fight it >>>From: Capuchin >[Fight Club, still] >>Now, as for the ending, people rave about it. I thought it was crap. and Drew >I have to agree. Totally ridiculous. I second that, my wife and I were screaming mad, we felt gypped to say the least. It was a bogus movie and after watching it a second time I felt it was even more so. >While we're trying to shoot down overrated movies, by the way, am >I the only one who thought _American Beauty_ was shit on unbuttered >toast? Talk about a movie with implausible, unappealing characters, >unconvincing scenarios, and empty cliched themes. I'd almost rather >watch _Tomb Raider_ again than that plastic bag of a movie. I know, it was possibly the worst movie I saw that year, It really was unappealing to say the least. No one was likable or particularly interesting. Not that think the leads in a movie need to be likable, for example Robert Dinero's portrayal of Jake Lomatta is almost totally charm less yet totally engrossing. You couldn't stop watching. Halfway through American Putrid I turned to my wife and said "THIS SUCKS". Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #273 ********************************