From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #270 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, July 10 2001 Volume 10 : Number 270 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Posies... [Eb ] Oh, I almost forgot! [Eb ] Re: FIV 0%RH ["Ultimate Goal" ] speaking of spoilers.... [bayard ] For you librarians [Eb ] summertime nonsense [gnat@shaft.bitmine.net] Eb: beware, there are spoilers ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: For you librarians [Christopher Gross ] Re: For you librarians [Capuchin ] spoilers [lj lindhurst ] Re: Eb: beware, there are spoilers [Capuchin ] Re: spoilers [Capuchin ] RE: quitting my job - 0%RH ["Maximilian Lang" ] The Soft Boys on ABC Radio. ["Maximilian Lang" ] My Dream Concert Festival. ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: FIV 0%RH [Greg Shell ] Twistin by The Pool ["victorian squid" ] Re: Twistin by The Pool [Eb ] They Might Be Giants Tribute voting... [Mark Gloster ] Re: we're just ... a minor threat (0%RH) [steve ] Re: albums and patriotic songs [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:01:01 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Posies... I was at last night's concert for over three hours, but this report will be much shorter than my previous one. ;) Matthew Jay (whose worthwhile debut album I recently mentioned) was performing tonight at the Mint, but I had to skip his set due to the scheduling conflict. Too bad. Not only it would've been neat to see Jay, but I've *never* been to the Mint for whatever reason. I hear it's a really nice place. Similarly, I *think* Air was also performing tonight, across town. I bet that was an excellent show, if it was anywhere near as good as the Air show I saw a couple of years ago. Blah. In any case, the show which I saw was at the oft-discussed Troubadour. The first act was a group I've never heard of, called the Actual. They were already onstage when I arrived. They seemed like a familiar breed of aggressive pop band, but I spent their set in the outer bar talking with the Posies' manager and other folks. Thus, I can't say much about the group, either positive or negative. They don't appear to have a label, because the CDs they were selling looked like self-pressed CD-Rs. The newspapers and the Troubadour's own flyers listed Oranger as the opening act. I was looking forward to Oranger, because I've heard their recent album and it's not bad at all. Quite McCartney-esque, and sharply arranged and produced. However, Oranger wasn't on the bill, after all. The Posies' manager told me Oranger was removed from the bill three weeks ago, but I guess the publicity info wasn't corrected. The next act turned out to be ex-That Dog singer Anna Waronker. She has a four-piece, all-male band behind her now. The sound is a lot more rawking than That Dog ever was...not that this is necessarily a good thing. I liked the songs all right, but the sound wasn't nearly as distinctive as That Dog's. The extra character wasn't there. I can't imagine an A&R scout seeing this group, and getting too excited. I missed That Dog's vocal harmonies, too. Still, this group probably wouldn't ever provoke the *hatred* which That Dog stirred up in some folks who couldn't tolerate their sugary sound. The Posies hit the stage at 10:30. Not much to say about this show. It was lengthy, solid and satisfying. I was especially pleased that they played their cover of Chris Bell's "I Am the Cosmos" (previously released on a seven-inch which I have somewhere). For a group which has been "breaking up" for the past three years, the Posies have quite a few recent releases. Among other things, the merchandise table was selling a new EP and the recent live album (both Spanish imports), plus two solo EPs by the group's Jon Auer. One of the Auer EPs is all covers, spanning the Chameleons UK, Swervedriver, Husker Du, Madonna, the Psychedelic Furs and Ween. I believe this is the third time I've seen the Posies, but I hadn't seen them since the Amazing Disgrace era, five years ago. Apparently they haven't performed in L.A. at all, during the last three years. Speaking of the "encore" issue, the Posies played *three* substantial encores which stretched the set to just shy of two hours. I heard this was the band's first show with their new rhythm section, and the manager told me they had only rehearsed five times. They sounded pretty damn together, if that's the case. My biggest complaint is the same complaint I had about the show from five years ago. The Posies are a really gifted band, but somehow they've never released an album which lives up to their talent. There's no Posies album on par with, say, the best of Teenage Fanclub, Matthew Sweet and Jason Falkner, and it seems like there should be. I think they made the mistake of paying too much attention to their press. Dear 23 came out and excited everyone, but practically every review made the same wimp-pop comparisons to the Beatles, Hollies, etc. It's like the Posies have been running scared from that sound, ever since. Witness the subsequent Frosting the Beater, one of the most inappropriately produced albums I can name. And I recall Amazing Disgrace being practically *grunge*, though I haven't listened to that disc in quite awhile. Accordingly, the band seems *so* intent on being loud and raucous onstage. I played the new EP this morning, and it's practically all-acoustic (I'm not sure, but I suspect Auer and Ken Stringfellow are the only musicians). The group performed at least two songs from that new EP last night, but they were so rocked up that they were almost unrecognizable. On the other hand, Auer and pink-haired Stringfellow did a good job of making their songs sound fresh and spontaneous onstage, even though most of the material was several years old. And Stringfellow's guitar-god jumping around is lots of fun to watch. I just wish they would shift gears somewhere along the line, and downscale into a "pretty" string of tunes. A very good show, though. At one point, Auer teased the crowd with the opening guitar pattern to XTC's "The Mayor of Simpleton." Oh, if only.... :) In da house: the bulky Margaret Cho, the bonny Steve McDonald (Redd Kross), the Bunny's Rick Gershon and the Bangles' Michael Steele. Me, to Steele: "You must be a big fan -- I saw you mouthing words!" Her: "Sad, but true." Heh. (Sorry Margaret...I couldn't think of a better adjective which started with "b.") I'm amidst one of those show flurries, right now...tonight is Quasi, at Spaceland. Should be great. Eb http://home.earthlink.net/~elbroome/np.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:15:28 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Oh, I almost forgot! Do you believe in karmic payback? After feeling like I was basically robbed of $15 at the Johnston/Fischer show three nights ago, I found a $20 bill on the floor of the Troubadour last night. Eeeeeeeeerie, hm? It still doesn't compensate for missing the Wild Man, though. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:13:04 -0400 From: "Ultimate Goal" Subject: Re: FIV 0%RH Unfortunately there is no vaccine for FIV. This is good info none the less! Thanks Nupp GSS: >I have between 10 and 15 cats in an around the house at anytime and >instead of trying to cage them and take them to a vet, I cover their food >with NyQuil and vacinate them myself. Just kidding about the NyQuil. But >you can order a variety of vaccines in 10 dose vials along with the >appropriate syringes. In some states you can even get the rabbies vaccine >through the mail. In Texas we cannot buy the rabbies vaccine unless >liscensed but no law says we can't buy it elsewhere and then administer it >ourselves so I drive to Oklahoma and pick the stuff up. I use >omahavaccine.com for all other, Feline Leukemia, FIV etc... They sell >multi-vaccine doses of different types and I don't recall the particular >type I use but I can check tonight if requested. I vaccine stays good >in the refrig for about 1 year depending on when it was manufactured >and if you buy 10 doses at a time, plus the syringes, it comes to about >$2.50 a cat, once a year. > >It is cheap and well worth the effort. > >gSs _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:34:07 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: speaking of spoilers.... here's a good site for looking up surprise endings. why would you want to do that, you ask? why, for learning all the films macaulay culkin dies in, of course! http://moviepooper.com/ here's this too - my next-cubicle neighbor is a huge star trek fan and has the new tv guide with a picture of the old-skool _enterprise_ from the upcoming series. (this one pre-dates the one from the 60's show.) http://www.bitmine.net/~bayard/miscellaneous/nx-01.jpg of course, the devout have likely already seen this... according to the article, scott bakula will star and will have "lots of sex". no word on whether his partners will be the green babes kirk later romanced.... =b http://moviepooper.com/answers/zerowing.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:23:10 -0700 From: Eb Subject: For you librarians What is the proper term for that half-a, half-e character you see in Latin? You know, like in "Aeneid" and "Caesar"? Does it start with "elig..."? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:50:11 -0700 (PDT) From: gnat@shaft.bitmine.net Subject: summertime nonsense >That and as the list is pretty quiet now, and we have all re-named our >cats (hehe)... Who's "we," white man? Right now I'm just calling my kitten the Imp of Satan, but that's not much of a name. Also, I can't think of a new band name, but that's a whole 'nother can of bees. Speaking of cats, Nuppy, as a bereaved cat owner, I am so, so, so sorry to hear about your cat. (Though I have to say, I mis-read your cat's weight as 121 lbs and 81 lbs. That's a goddamn enormous cat...) I echo the cry: PLEASE, PLEASE employ spoiler space/warnings when discussing "A.I." Thank you! I already had the plot twist in "The Sixth Sense" spoiled for me by the @#$%&# Willamette Week. As for dweebs on the XTC list, I hear they use spoiler space when talking about the new re-issues. Man, I sure don't want that album I've heard a million times spoiled for me! feh, n. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:44:47 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Eb: beware, there are spoilers Spoilers follow. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >From: Michael Wolfe >Incidentally, some drafts of Kubrick's script had David's mom as >an alcoholic, which would be a less arbitrary explanation for her >taking in David in the first place. This version also had David, >instead of making her coffee at the end, fixing her a Bloody >Mary. Then she drinks it, passes out, and that's the end of >their day. That would've been cool. I don't think so. Maybe it's all in the execution, but I don't think that version of the movie would have worked for me at all. For one thing, it just seems too obvious. The alcoholism would have been a symptom, anyway, and you'd still need the "illness" to get an explanation. But the main reason I didn't like that version was that it would distance (most of) us from David's mom. We needed her to be sympathetic and universal to even take a crack at reacting to David freshly. If she is too well-defined a character and if she has what we might perceive as a character flaw or specific disease, the story becomes "how this woman interacts with this robot child" and not "how any parent might interact with this robot child." Much smaller scope, much less interesting. >From: Christopher Gross >Of course, all of David's problems could have been solved if the future >mecha managed to reprogram him grow up and stop being monomaniacally >fixated on Mom. Interesting point. When I wondered why they didn't, I realized: they liked him like he was so they could study him and enjoy him as a historical artifact. What they were doing at the end was not so different from what we were doing as an audience: (theoretically) voyeuristically/vicariously experiencing his emotions. They didn't really care about him as a thinking, feeling being. He was a museum piece, or a Supertoy. On the subject of other "plot twists": I think all of them seem obvious if you figure them out. I tend not to, myself. I also think it would suck if these things were perfectly concealed; it wouldn't really seem "fair" if there were no clues whatsoever. I think my relative obliviousness is something of an advantage; I enjoy these movies more as a result. :) Sixth Sense: the transition from the first bit seemed weird to me, but I didn't start to clue in until the scenes with Willis's wife and the other guy. The Matrix: I agree that Neo's ascendancy wasn't much of a "twist." It was a straight trajectory. The Crying Game: I picked up the homoeroticism in the beginning and thought the bar scenes were weird, but it was still a surprise to me. At the time I was a freshman in college and still somewhat unfamiliar with drag queens or trannies of any stripe; it might have been obvious if I knew then what I know now. Fight Club: it came as a complete surprise. I've only watched the movie once so far -- I had no idea I would love it as much as I did, and I have trouble convincing my friends who haven't seen it to give it a chance for the same reasons (the trailers made it look like a simple endorsement of macho violence) -- so I don't know if it was "clumsily orchestrated" or if it just seems that way when you're cleverer than the people who make movies. Have those of you who are disgruntled about these "twists" any examples of movies that pull it off well, in your opinions? Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:47:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: For you librarians On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Eb wrote: > What is the proper term for that half-a, half-e character you see in Latin? > You know, like in "Aeneid" and "Caesar"? Does it start with "elig..."? The word you're looking for is ligature. Note, however, that ligature can refer to the OE of Foetus as well as the AE of Encyclopaedia; it simply means any two letters combined into one. - --Chris ps: I had the ending of Alien 3 spoiled for him by MIM Notes, organ of the Maoist Internationalist Movement. Fucking commie asshole even went on to say "Oh, my apologies to those of you who haven't seen it yet" in the next sentence. ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:04:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: For you librarians On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Eb wrote: > What is the proper term for that half-a, half-e character you see in > Latin? You know, like in "Aeneid" and "Caesar"? Does it start with > "elig..."? The word you're thinking of is "ligature". A ligature is any printed connection of two characters. Usually I hear the ae character (that's ascii 198, so you can put Æ in your html... or just \ae, if I recall) refered to usually as the ay-ee ligature (as opposed to the owe-ee ligature, oe). J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:58:05 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: spoilers I had a woman spoil one of the main plot points of "Geek Love" just the other day. I was reading this book in the park and she walked up to me and started talking enthusiastically about it. I was about halfway through it. She goes, "Not to give anything away, but have they started doing the ****** yet?" [omitted for those who have yet to read it] Of course, I hadn't gotten to that part yet. Darnit! NOT TO GIVE ANYTHING AWAY??!?!! What the hell kind of disclaimer was that??? By the way, for those who haven't read this book, I highly recommend it (though I'm sure it's been mentioned on the list before). It was one of those rare books that was so absorbing I just couldn't put it down, yet it was so good that I didn't want it to end! Someone told me that this is Capuchin's favorite book--is that true? lj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:23:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Eb: beware, there are spoilers On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > Spoilers follow. > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > Have those of you who are disgruntled about these "twists" any > examples of movies that pull it off well, in your opinions? Well, I thought The Sixth Sense did it well. And while there's no real "twist", I liked the way Unbreakable hinted at a twist in little ways... partly just by being "the next movie by that Sixth Sense guy" and also little lines like "I hear this one has a twist ending!" regarding a comic book. Of course, Citizen Kane is the canonical example, I guess. But you're completely right, if it's not even POSSIBLE to figure it out, then you're just being cheated. Memento might count. Probably The Usual Suspects as well... but these two less so. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:31:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: spoilers On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, lj lindhurst wrote: > By the way, for those who haven't read this book, I highly recommend > it (though I'm sure it's been mentioned on the list before). I've mentioned it one or a thousand times. > It was one of those rare books that was so absorbing I just couldn't > put it down, yet it was so good that I didn't want it to end! Did you finish it yet? > Someone told me that this is Capuchin's favorite book--is that true? Yes. In fact, I think I said it's the best and finest book I've ever read, as well as being my favorite. (Unlike, say, my favorite short story [The Assemblage of Kristin], which I don't think is the best or finest [probably A Rose For Emily or The Mysterious Stranger].) GSS currently has my loaner copy. That copy is better travelled than I am. My love for it has very little to do with the fact that I'm intimately familiar with nearly every locale depicted... from the health club to the little mall where they first encountered The Bag Man. I think it's a fantastic blend of allegory and Americana. And the interleaved stories, I think, develop the same theme from two sides via the same narrator. It's beautiful. Feel free to write off-list about it... I'm always interested to hear someone else's take. I need to read it again, though... it's been a few years. Just curious, what did she give away? J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:22:40 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: RE: quitting my job - 0%RH >Bret: > > > I am opening a record store(this means cds mostly, in case > > you missed last week), (weeeeeee) and while I have several > > names in mind (some of them even good) I thought it's be a > > good idea to poll the fegs and see what you guys can come up with. Hows about LISTEN UP! Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:28:33 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: The Soft Boys on ABC Radio. Hi, This was publicized on the Underwatermoolight.com site, has anybody heard it? Does anyone have it? Does someone who does have it want to trade so I can have it too? Thank you, Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:12:36 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: My Dream Concert Festival. In my dreams I would want this as a touring concert festival, like the Palooza tour and that sort. All post 77 bands. Anybody else ever think of this crap? Aside from the headliner and opening act these are in no real order. The Feelies (Opening act) The Chameleons Thin White Rope The Chills The Soft Boys(with Andy, sorry Matthew) The Pixies The Clash (headliners) Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:28:12 -0500 From: Greg Shell Subject: Re: FIV 0%RH >Unfortunately there is no vaccine for FIV. This is good info none the >less! Oops, you are correct. I guess I mistook FIV for FVR or FCV. I read a little about FIV and it is disturbing, very similar to HIV. here is a little info on diagnosis and treatment that might make the end a little less unpleasant: www.maxhouse.com "DIAGNOSIS. Diagnosis is based on the history, the clinical signs, and the result of an FIV antibody test. Detection of FIV antibody is the diagnostic test of choice, because the levels of virus in the blood of an infected cat are frequently so low as to be undetectable by conventional means. An ELISA test is available in kit form for use in private veterinary clinics. All positive results should be confirmed by a second test, preferably using a different procedure. Confirmatory tests, which are performed at certain commercial diagnostic laboratories, include IFA assays and a test called the Western blot or immunoblot procedure. A positive FIV antibody test indicates that a cat is infected with FIV (probably for its lifetime-established infections are rarely cleared) and is capable of transmitting the virus to other susceptible cats. it should be noted that eight to twelve weeks (and occasionally more) may elapse after infection before detectable antibody levels appear. Because FIV tests depend on the detection of antibodies to the virus rather than the virus itself, kittens of FIV infected (antibody-positive) queens will almost always test positive for FIV antibodies during the first three to four months of life. in this case, a positive FIV test does not mean that the kitten is actually infected with FIV. Such kittens should be tested for FIV at six to eight months of age, after the loss of maternally derived antibodies, to determine their true infection status. TREATMENT. Therapy of the secondary infections associated with FIV is based on the clinical signs and the nature of the infectious agent. Use of antiniicrobial (antibacterial or antifungal) drugs to control bacterial and fungal infections has been moderately successful, but must be continued for long periods or reinstituted as new infections occur. Supportive care, including intravenous fluids, blood transfusions, and feeding of high-caloric dietary supplements, is frequently required. The use of corticosteroids or other anti-inflammatory drugs may be indicated in some cases to control gingivitis and stomatitis. Anabolic steroids (those that promote growth and tissue repair) may help to combat weight loss and wasting. it must be kept in mind that these measures are not directed at combating FIV itself. The drug AZT, useful in therapy for AIDS patients, may also be of use against FIV, but the drug is expensive and difficult to obtain, and its side effects are apparently greater in cats than in humans. Drugs designed to enhance or modify the immune system, such as interferons and acemarman, appear to be useful in treating some FIV-associated diseases; however, such drugs do not eliminate the infection." =end of email=== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:11:52 -0700 From: "victorian squid" Subject: Twistin by The Pool On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:04:59 Capuchin wrote: >I'm the same way. If it's fun or funny or to be taken lightly, I can just >enjoy it. I can see past anything crappy or inconsistent. But if it's a >serious film or even just dramatic, I can't stand even the smallest stupid >thing. I'm the same way. I think it's because films like this already take place in an essentially absurd universe. As long as the characterizations stay roughly consistent, anything else is fine. I can accept that in the 8th dimension physics laws are "different" and aliens speak with Jamaican accents. But if Buckeroo Banzai were hit with a mind-control ray and became evil halfway through, that would be annoying. >The Crying Game was too well publicized and I saw it after I'd "heard". I was lucky enough to see it about a week after it opened. Chicago critics were kind enough to write reviews that did not spoil the surprise (thanks Roger). There was a collective gasp in the theater at the critical moment, which is how it should be. An acquaintance who used to live in a small town in Georgia tells of the time he and some friends rented "Crying Game" and couldn't figure out why Stephen Rea was so upset at that moment or what the hell was going on until close to the end. The helpful moral guardians at Blockbuster had smudged out the offending body part. loveonya, susan pretty good twist- "Dead Again" great twist- "Sleuth" Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:29:41 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Twistin by The Pool >>The Crying Game was too well publicized and I saw it after I'd "heard". > >I was lucky enough to see it about a week after it opened. I also saw Crying Game early, and didn't have it spoiled for me at all. The hype hadn't begun yet. I enjoyed the twist, but didn't consider it any sort of landmark "OHMYGOD!!!!" moment at the time. When all the publicity began to be concentrated around that single scene, I found this rather puzzling. When I left the film, I wasn't thinking about that scene, but more about what a sweet portrayal of friendship and sacrifice the film turned out to be. Silly me. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:32:00 -0700 From: Mark Gloster Subject: They Might Be Giants Tribute voting... Hi kids. I'm back from the big vacation. I just found out that the gang from the "We Might Be Giants Too" tribute to They Might Be Giants is doing a democratic thing for inclusion on the next CD. Here's where you come in. I know that quite a number of us on the list like TMBG, and it would be great if we were involved in deciding and also bought the next CD. If you care and like They Might Be Giants AND/OR if hearing quality work by Mark Gloster and Big Rubber Shark would make you want the CD, please follow the directions explicitly and listen and vote for your favorites (at least 5 of the songs) at the following address: http://www.tmbg.org/~ondrey/vote.htm Please don't let their description of my rendition of Ana Ng as "gothic rock" frighten you. Also, their conversion of the file into realaudio was kinda brutal, but I think it didn't make anybody look good. I will be voting for good renditions and giving extra credit for originality. Whatever gets on there, it seems like this one will be even better than the last one. Please don't put off voting. Thanks, - -Markg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:04:02 -0500 From: steve Subject: Speaking of Lolita Nation http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1445211848 Sealed CD now at 26.50 with about 4 days left. - - Steve __________ Last week a federal grand jury indicted not a radical environmentalist, but Mark Warren Sands, a deeply religious marketing consultant and family man. Federal prosecutors said Mr. Sands, 50, had burned the houses for his own twisted reasons and had then fabricated the secret organization, Coalition to Save the Preserves, as camouflage. - James Sterngold, New York Times 06/23/01 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:27:40 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: we're just ... a minor threat (0%RH) Spot the loony - http://www.bettybowers.com http://www.chalcedon.edu http://www.landoverbaptist.org http://www.watchman.org http://www.subgenius.com http://www.nobojo.com/cnp.html - - Steve __________ [David] Brock, author of the 1993 book "The Real Anita Hill," which characterized Hill as a liar, also claims [Clarence] Thomas used an intermediary to dish Brock damaging information about a woman who had come forward to provide support for Hill's accusations of harassment by Thomas. Brock now admits to using the information to bully the woman into retracting her statements about Thomas. - Anthony York, Salon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:37:06 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: albums and patriotic songs >> A case could probably be made for the Proclaimers "Letter from America", too. > >I dunno if that's exactly patriotism. It's more about living in a >country that sees its best and brightest leave. similarly, it would be pushing it to say Kate Bush's "Oh England my lionheart" James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #270 ********************************