From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #264 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, July 5 2001 Volume 10 : Number 264 Today's Subjects: ----------------- New additions... ["FS Thomas" ] Roaring Dragon, Bluffing Tiger - or gnat get to see kung fu [steve ] RE: plunderphonics ["da9ve stovall" ] Paging Brian Huddell.... ["brian nupp" ] July 4th (commencements) [Mike Swedene ] RE: Paging Brian Huddell.... ["Brian Huddell" ] re: Bicycle Thief [Eb ] idle musing on the 4th [Eb ] Re: JPSE [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: idle musing on the 4th [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Hills Alive with a Poetical Vermont Goatherdess ["Tigger Lily" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 12:08:07 -0400 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: New additions... Hello, all. Played around this morning and updated my show list. Browse at your liking. http://www.ochremedia.com/show_list.htm (Bayard: there's a show on there that's not listed in Robynbase. A SB's gig from the Hope and Anchor on 1/23/81.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 11:06:43 -0500 From: steve Subject: Roaring Dragon, Bluffing Tiger - or gnat get to see kung fu http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/02/arts/02TIGE.html?searchpv=day02 - - Steve __________ No previous administration has tried to sell its economic plans on such false pretenses. And this from a man who ran for president on a promise to restore honor and integrity to our nation's public life. - Paul Krugman, on Bush, from his book Fuzzy Math. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 11:33:56 -0500 From: steve Subject: All-Star Tribute to Brian Wilson on TNT tonight For fegs who care, and can get TNT, the Brian Wilson tribute is on tonight at 8 and 10 PM U.S. Eastern (Daylight Saving) Time. Pet Sounds was performed in its entirety, but I don't if all the songs will make the final cut. http://www.tnt.tv/Title/View4/0,5878,341194||~,00.html http://www.salon.com/ent/music/feature/2001/04/10/brian_wilson/ - - Steve __________ "He is totally an asshole" - Japanese Foreign Minister Makiko Tanaka, on George W. Bush ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 17:53:08 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Interesting Coincidence On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Glen Uber wrote: > "George Harrison plays rhythm guitar on Cream's "Badge", credited as > L'Angelo Misterioso." Interesting interview with Jack Bruce which I saw yesterday. He was preparing "Theme for an imaginary western" for Cream, but it was rejected by Clapton. "I thought Theme For An Imaginary Western was a killer song, but Eric was in love with George Harrison or something at the time". I assume that this means something like "TFAIW was lined up for the album, but got edged out by Badge". I have posted the whole interview at http://www.bath.ac.uk/~hssmrg/public_html/jack.txt [Or it might be at http://www.bath.ac.uk/~hssmrg/jack.txt] Anyway, TFAIW is one of my all-time favourite songs, right up there with Alone Again Or, Hot Burrito#1 and Terrapin. But I prefer the Mountain version to Jack Bruce's own. Glen again: > Somebody mentioned "Pressed Rat and Wart Hog" and I gotta say, I love > that freakin' song! I just love the imagry of the lyrics. I especially > love the line about "atonal apples and amplified heat." "Sadly they left, telling no one goodbye. Pressed rat wore red jodhpurs, Warthog a striped tie. Between them they carried a three-legged sack, Went straight round the corner and never came back". Who said Cream was just a noisy blues band? - - Mike Godwin n.p. Pretty Good Day - LW3 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 10:09:44 -0700 From: "da9ve stovall" Subject: RE: plunderphonics >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:20:16 -0700 (PDT) >From: bayard >Subject: fegband delves into plunderphonics > >If you're not familiar with plunderphonics, it sort of sounds like tuning >a radio at random, and serendipitously getting one songs patched together. >in reality of course, it's all samples cleverly stiched together. > >http://www.polyholiday.com/century/1945.html > >Be sure to check out the other cover tunes in the "Century of >Song" project! > >www.polyholiday.com/century > >=b There's also John Oswald's latest release - a 2-disc sorta box-set retrospective of this pioneer of plunderphonics. www.pfony.com or http://www.negativland.com/nmol/seeland.html#oswald or http://www.plunderphonics.com/ I love this stuff (and am a devotee of Negativland as well, which is what first pointed me in the direction of Oswald), though I get the best enjoyment out of this kind of material when it's thrown into a 6-disc changer along with several other things and put on Random - listening to straight plunderphonics for more than ten minutes at a time may lead to overload. da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 13:39:14 -0400 From: "brian nupp" Subject: Paging Brian Huddell.... Just thought I'd forward this about a CD some one sent me: Bicycle Thief You Come and You Go Like A Pop Song CD New Features plenty of skewed yet coherent songwriting from Bob Forrest. His high, weedy voice adds more character to songs that use fractured guitar lines to create an updated version of the wry, diverse musical viewpoint he first communicated in Thelonious Monster. A low key, enjoyable first album, gets them off to a strong start. $15.99 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 10:53:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: July 4th (commencements) Hey all! If you are bored or indoors (in America) due to poor weather conditions, feel free to flip on CSPAn tonight starting at 8, and catch commencement speeches from: George W, Bono!!!, and Clinton. Should be interesting TV Viewing. Also, any Nirvana fans - it looks like Courtney is keeping ovewr 150 tapes of his as "unreleased" after a box set was promised. More news on that here: http://www.dotmusic.com/news//July2001/news20776.asp Later! Herbie Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 13:17:03 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Paging Brian Huddell.... Yeah, and they're not the only ones either, there's a DC area band called Bicycle Thieves. Damn. We're thinking of switching to "Popsicle Thieves". "Asshole and the Motherfuckers" is still in the running though. +brian > Just thought I'd forward this about a CD some one sent me: > > Bicycle Thief You Come and You Go Like A Pop Song CD > New > Features plenty of skewed yet coherent songwriting from Bob > Forrest. His > high, weedy voice adds more character to songs that use > fractured guitar > lines to create an updated version of the wry, diverse > musical viewpoint he > first communicated in Thelonious Monster. A low key, > enjoyable first album, > gets them off to a strong start. $15.99 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 14:23:07 -0700 From: Eb Subject: re: Bicycle Thief I've heard that album...it's heartfelt, personal and all, but it's just not very good. Bob Forrest really frustrates me. He writes fine lyrics, but his voice stinks and (more importantly) he's a lousy musician. All of his songs use the most tired classic-rock chords on Earth. This shortcoming wasn't so glaring when he was funking up his sound with riffs and horns and things, but now that he's strictly a "rock" artist, the music is dull dull dull. He needs a musical collaborator. Or something. On the other hand, "Lawndart" worships this album. Go figure. I'm a bit suspicious though, because he *works* with Forrest every week. ;) Happy 4th...I trust you Northwesterners will be out protesting somewhere, today. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 16:20:08 -0700 From: Eb Subject: idle musing on the 4th It's always an aesthetic paradox to me, how it seems so much harder to write a good "positive" song than a good "negative" one. There are plenty of respected positive songs with sort of a "keeping a stiff upper lip in the face of hardship" attitude, but there, the spectre of misery is still prominent. Acclaimed songs with a pure "celebratory" vibe aren't so common, especially in the present day. To me, that's the most interesting thing about the huge acclaim for P J Harvey's last album -- she abruptly switched to an upbeat tone, yet retained all her cred. Good for her. I myself had some trouble getting used to this reversal, and thus took awhile to warm up to the disc. But, I'm getting off on a tangent. I initially intended to address "celebration," with regards to July 4th. The bottom line: Can anyone name some good, contemporary, "patriotic" songs (in reference to any country you like)? Off the top of my head, I can't come up with even one. Eb now anticipating: Brian Wilson tribute show on TNT (speaking of acclaimed happy vibes...) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 16:39:40 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: JPSE >I realize this is more info than you probably need, but one thing I have >always enjoyed about NZ music is that if you like a certain band, you are >certain to find other good bands and music that the members have been >involved in. James, when I talked about this idea to Jeremy Eade, and >mentioned all I knew about JPSE and its offshoots, he said most NZ'ers don't >know this stuff! well I didn't know about Spiders or Lankey, so that doesn't surprise me (especially since I'd guess I'm in the top 5% as far as my knowledge of NZ music's concerned...) Coincidentally, the Dunedin daily newspaper (the Otago Daily Times) has just started a four section special on the 20th anniversary of Flying Nun music. Hopefully it'll also appear on their website (although when I checked they hadn't got today's issue up yet) James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 08:58:00 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: idle musing on the 4th - --On Mittwoch, 4. Juli 2001 16:20 Uhr -0700 Eb wrote: > Can anyone name some good, contemporary, "patriotic" songs > (in reference to any country you like)? I'd say that's a 'contradictio in adiecto' (contradiction of terms?)... or at least an oxymoron. Cheers, Sebastian - -- Sebastian Hagedorn PGP key ID: 0x4D105B45 Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 20:12:45 -0500 From: "Sweet & Tender Hooligan" Subject: Re: idle musing on the 4th > The bottom line: Can anyone name some good, > contemporary, "patriotic" songs (in reference > to any country you like)? Off the top of my > head, I can't come up with even one. And you won't. It ain't hip to be patriotic anymore. Not nearly enough cynicism in patriotism. No respectable songwriter has time for such silly notions. Morrissey, I guess, is a patriotic fellow, but it doesn't really creep into his songs much. paul c. glenn | pcg@runbox.com "I fought in a war and I didn't know where it would end It stretched before me infinitely, I couldn't really think Of the beyond now, keep your head down pal There's trouble plenty in this hour, this day I can see hope I can see light" -B&S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 07:58:20 -0600 From: HAL Subject: elvis costello on PBS tonight http://www.pbs.org/charlierose/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 15:46:11 -0000 From: "Tigger Lily" Subject: Hills Alive with a Poetical Vermont Goatherdess This is my last work day fore vac. Then Long-Island, Vermont and a few free days to tend my garden. I need it, Im low at the moment. Too many vague longings. My life feels like an overipe grape with no where to burst and no sign of being eaten. Maybe its the lack of new music. Yes, I know all that dosnt make much sense, but who said humans always make sense:-)? (Too get even more non-sensical, theres an eclipse right now on top of my sun's degree--and it -does- feel like all is for naught. Coincedence? Who the fuck knows?) Two nights ago went to see Moulin Rouge and love is too tame a word for what I felt. I felt like I saw something new. A synthysis of 20th century entertainment which took from everything to make something unlike anything before. The visuals were wild. Mike kept saying he wished he were stoned, I said that the cutting, especially in terms of speed and changes of depth made me feel like I -was- stoned. It was perfect, by enhancing the surface it reached into archetypes, resurrecting much pop chum in the process. All those silly pop noises that go thru your life and then suddenly in your head resonate with the depth of your feeling life. Somehow Lurhuman got -that- on the screen. Major bravo. So, taken along with O Brother Where Art Thou(and a possible musical Buffy) this may oh may herald the return of the musical. Not the worn-out musical which so deserved to die but ... something fresh and juicy. Its cool when a new cultural window opens up(Hopstetter, weren't we just talking about that;-) - ---------------------------- Natalie: >Not sure why I'm going on about this on the list, Cause its interesting? Cause its life? Cause Fegs like cats and words? Cause its hard when a pet dies and involving yourself with a new one helps, and writing about it helps? Cause some of us care? Or cause you just -feel- like it:-). They all work for me. Julian. Miranda! Are we back on the Tempest? Do you have to name a pet with a name that fits its gender? I say go with your heart--the pet couldnt care less. Mirlian? - -------------------- Michael, thanks for the description of the Dali. I love the idea of the "other" painting. Its like the unconsious, the night side of the painting and you can only see it by working with your own unconsious. So theres a secret painting in the painting. That is so cool, and such a short phrase to get a complex idea across. And of course it works for other stuff as well. I think one thing twhich may make a Feg is an ease with accessing, a need to access the "other" painting, the "other" song. >in my own warped opinion it gets more powerful the closer how >something's >being said begins to match what's being said. Well no more warped than S T Coleridge;-). Kay, in the dark _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 11:59:07 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: becalmed (0% "Dogs and Cats" movie content) gnat on cats-- >Not sure why I'm going on about this on the list, The Dog Days originally dominated by Sirious are technically a month off, but we are in the deep space between The Tour and The New Album. We once had a male, yellow kitten we called Tadzieu after the "little, golden boy" in Mann's "Death in Venice." In the story people are always calling "Tadzieu! Tadzieu!" and so were we. I named one family dog Sugarplum, which required my dad, a big man, to go up and down the street yelling "Sugarplum!" A friend had a pet stick insect named Aleister Crawly. I knew a guy who drove a hansome cab in St. Augustine who called his horse Eric Clopton. Procol Harum was named after a cat (a "Burmese Blue"). Hello, Dali-- Mike Wells: >I saw Dali's "Images of Africa" in ambient darkness with only a candle burning below and nearby. How did you swing that?! James Dignan-- >heh... we have a NZ music question! I'm still trying to find out what happened to the Verlaines, Verlaines, Verlaines, Verlaines Verlaines, Verlaines, Verlai-ai-aines! Kay-- I think on a couple of occasions I've stayed in the Fricke until kicked out. It's a great collection & great environment--used to be someone's house, right? DC used to also have a great collection upstairs at the National Portrait Gallery, but that may still be closed for renovation. It was lots of modern stuff, including a big statue of Gertrude Stein looking excatly like Buddha, & an amazing bunch of video installations, incl. one by Naim June Paik [sp?]. Ross Taylor Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 11:01:28 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Proggy Cats Cat Names: Coleen and I have three cats now, Jerry, Denis ( http://www.denisvengeance.com ), and Brenda. Gibby was our first, and he passed away five years ago. I think human names for cats are funny, especially since it makes it easier to sign them up for credit cards and lingerie catalogs. Prog: I bought the DVD of "Yessongs" because on cdnow.com it was listed as "Yessongs - AC3" (AC-3 is the previous name of Dolby Digital). Turns out the audio is only crappy stereo; it even sounds WORSE than the LP. I'm sending it back. Oh yeah: Installed an 80 Gig drive in my G4 server at home and I've been ripping my collection to it. So far I've got over 7.5 days of music to shuffle. Otto? Otto Parts??!! - -tc ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #264 ********************************