From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #263 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, July 4 2001 Volume 10 : Number 263 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Jean Paul Sartre Experience [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Are you Sartre Experienced? and other stories [Robcow@aol.com] Re: Are you Sartre Experienced? and other stories ["Maximilian Lang" ] Firecrackering thru the eclipse ["Tigger Lily" ] fegband delves into plunderphonics [bayard ] Re: Fricking Dali Art ["Mike Wells" ] Interesting Coincidence [Glen Uber ] Re: Are you sartre experienced? ["bibi gellert" I recently rediscovered a real gem in my collection, "Love Songs" by the >Jean-Paul Sartre >Experience. It then occurred to me that I have no idea what happened to >this band since "The Size >of Food." Anybody have any info/news on these guys? heh... we have a NZ music question! After a couple of albums (you are missing their glorious swansong, 1993's "Bleeding Star"), they split up. Various members of the band have appeared in other NZ outfits, notably Superette (who put out one album before disbanding) and The Stereo Bus, who have two albums to their credit. David Mulcahy of JPSE put out one of my favourite albums of 1998, "Oddy Knocky". James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 07:09:41 EDT From: Robcow@aol.com Subject: Re: Are you Sartre Experienced? and other stories >>Eb, still pondering whether to shell out for the Chills box Don't think about it, do it. It is worth every cent. 8-) Roberta ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 08:19:43 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Are you Sartre Experienced? and other stories > >>Eb, still pondering whether to shell out for the Chills box > >Don't think about it, do it. It is worth every cent. 8-) > >Roberta I read that only 500 of these sets were pressed, has a second pressing occurred? Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:58:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Are you Sartre Experienced? and other stories On Tue, 3 Jul 2001 Robcow@aol.com wrote: > >>Eb, still pondering whether to shell out for the Chills box > > Don't think about it, do it. It is worth every cent. 8-) hell yes. in US currency it's cheap, and there's a huge amount of good stuff. the only reason i could think of for someone interested in the Chills not to get it would be if they really only liked the earlier Chills but were put off by the sound quality on the live tracks -- there's several early Peel sessions and some old b-sides, but maybe not $25 worth, if you really don't value anything else on the box. i'm not sure there's anyone like that, though. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 09:19:38 -0700 (PDT) From: gnat@shaft.bitmine.net Subject: feline nominative >Sounds good. My wife claims that the cats tell her their names. On the >other hand, I name them after people. That's why we have Usul, Thufir, >and Gurney. And Andy. Named after Andy Partridge, I presume? I've been pondering a number of names for my cat. Initially, she was Miranda (my favorite girl's name). Then she was Durga, but an eight-armed warrior goddess seems like a heavy load to lay on a kitten. I considered Robyn (it's a girl's name too, very handy), Hecate and Kali (because she looks so sinister), and now I'm mulling over Tenar, the character from the Earthsea trilogy. I'm afraid people might mistake it for "Tenor," though. I originally wanted to name the kitten Julian (my favorite boy's name, and also the name of Julian Koster, sex symbol of the next millenium), but alas, she is female, and Juliana just reminds me of that twerp Juliana Hatfield. Not sure why I'm going on about this on the list, n. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:03:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Bret Bolton Subject: RE: feline nominative >Sounds good. My wife claims that the cats tell her their names. On the >other hand, I name them after people. That's why we have Usul, Thufir, >and Gurney. And Andy. Named after Andy Partridge, I presume? I've been pondering a number of names for my cat. Initially, she was Miranda (my favorite girl's name). Miranda is one of my favorite names, it would have been one of my cats names, had they both not been male (thus Sigmund and Ka-Spel). I once owned a production company called Miranda Productions, and a friend of mine (I met later) owns(or is, whichever) Miranda Records, the odd thing is that we both pulled the name from the same place (The Collector). odd eh? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 18:39:22 -0000 From: "Tigger Lily" Subject: Firecrackering thru the eclipse Gnat, Theres a neat bit on Gaudi(and his cathedreal) at http://books.guardian.co.uk/reviews/biography/0,6121,514398,00.html. Your new kitten sounds sweet and shy. Bet soon she'll be sleeping on your pillow(if not already, in a sheltering hollow youve carved out for her.) I want a pet desperetly. My husband is equally determined -not- to get one. Dog, cat anything warmblooded, neither my daughter or I care. He's against a cat for no good reason and against a dog for the semi-good reason that he may occasionally have to walk it. Grrrrrr. So when anyone tells pet stories I get great vicarious pleasure from them. Ross, Washington is a great art town-- every year or two we go down for a sweep. I love the Freer, not just for its Asian stuff but also Whistler. Ive actually never done the Philips, but it looks like now with your blurb .... I hate voluntary donations too. When I was growing up the Met was free. To this day instead of the 10$ "suggested donation" I give them a penny or nickel--I think mostly for the pleasure of seeing the deeply shocked looks I get from the rich lady volunteers and the sleek young interns. Its the cheapest thrill in town. Almost better than the art;-) Uber: >my obsession with trying to play guitar like Adrian Belew and my > >tendencies to behave like a pretentious art school reject. I failed > >miserably on both counts. Thank God!;-) Firecrackering thru the eclipse Kay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 18:56:38 -0000 From: "Tigger Lily" Subject: Fricking Art Ross wrote: >Nowadays other suburbanites look at me funny whenever I say we went >in to >the galleries & they find out there wasn't any particular show >(well, they look at me funny a lot anyway). I still think it's great >to go see paintings you know over & over again. On a whole I think you hit the touchstone tween people who love art for itself and those who are swayed by its social or self-regarding rewards. Growing up we lived about 6 blocks from the Frick in NY, a perfect small, and back then, usually half-empty collection. My parents would fight and I would flee ... to the Frick. In a state of less than emotional tranquility I would park myself in front of a Goya, a Vermeer, a Bellini, whatever and contemplate. They grew into me and I still go back to see them, and to see how they see me now--cause paintings, when good, move with you. Yes-- seeing paintings over and over helps you see how much life there is in them. Alot of peopel work with art like it were a commodity(and many will say--forget the "like"), to be consumed when its the fashion so to do. But the good stuffs too good for that--it cant be consumed. It swallows up trend and ego and releases something which lies deeper and is stronger. It makes me think of --who talked about the black paintings, bout seeing into all the shades of them? Something like that. Kay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:20:16 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: fegband delves into plunderphonics If you're not familiar with plunderphonics, it sort of sounds like tuning a radio at random, and serendipitously getting one songs patched together. in reality of course, it's all samples cleverly stiched together. http://www.polyholiday.com/century/1945.html Be sure to check out the other cover tunes in the "Century of Song" project! www.polyholiday.com/century =b ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:20:42 -0500 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Re: Fricking Dali Art > Yes-- seeing paintings over and over helps you see how much life there is in > them. Alot of peopel work with art like it were a commodity(and many will > say--forget the "like"), to be consumed when its the fashion so to do. But > the good stuffs too good for that--it cant be consumed. It swallows up trend > and ego and releases something which lies deeper and is stronger. It makes > me think of --who talked about the black paintings, bout seeing into all the > shades of them? Something like that. This is good, and I think it's right. An aside... I tripped out the first time I saw Dali's "Images of Africa" in ambient darkness with only a candle burning below and nearby. Suddenly all of the 'second level' shape-forming stuff, which is also visible and kind of cool in normal light, came more to the surface and became very intense. But what really blew me away was that the entire bottom of the painting, which I had really only seen before in full light as a mass of black, revealed itself as hints of complex shapes in red and blue tints. There was a whole other world in there. After freaking on how cool that was I remember wondering (get this, wondering about Dali) as to whom he was addressing the "other" painting that coexisted with the surface image...and coming to the conclusion that was it for those people who looked at art throughout their lives, in different situations and mental states. Here was a piece that allowed for interaction on more than one immediate level and had several things to say. Appropriate for many moods, and not all of them pleasant. Certainly not a commodity. When "liberally educated" - gack - later in life I did learn to appreciate the form-matches-content argument, and see that the action of crossing that threshold of the painting was critical to my strong feelings for the work (absurdist, crossing the line though improperly described). Now I could not only read a couple of things about the painting from it's alleged "subject," but follow the form of the painting to find deeper meanings, not purely visible on the surface. I may be completely off base but I that's what I pick up from your "seeing more deeply" or as you say "seeing into all the shades." The art can touch you in many different ways, and in my own warped opinion it gets more powerful the closer how something's being said begins to match what's being said. Back at the Dali, that interpretation lead to many dark things. But it is also certainly one of the reasons why I like RH so much. Michael "leaping from tree to tree in a sun-dappled glade" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 15:25:31 -0700 From: Glen Uber Subject: Interesting Coincidence While perusing the Allmusic.com entry for the _The Session_ (an alternate title of _The Kershaw Sessions_?), the following appeared in the "Factoid" sidebar on the page: "George Harrison plays rhythm guitar on Cream's "Badge", credited as L'Angelo Misterioso." I know that the Factoids are randomly generated so I found it especially freaky that that particular one should appear on a Robyn Hitchcock entry given our "Badge" discussion a few days ago. Special P.S. to U.S. fegs: Have a happy and safe 4th. Cheers! - -g- "I like beer. On occasion, I will drink beer to celebrate a major event such as the fall of communism or the fact that the refrigerator is still working." --Dave Barry x=x=x=x=x=x=x=x=x=x=x=x=x=x=x=x Glen Uber // uberg at sonic dot net Santa Rosa, California ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:40:51 -0400 From: "bibi gellert" Subject: Re: Are you sartre experienced? Even though I know this is really a question for James, I wanted to comment on this thread, cause I love JPSE ( and am looking for a copy of Size of Food, if anybody knows where one is). I think "Bleeding Star" is a great cd-something about that wall of sound just really revs me up! As for post-JPSE careers, Dave Mulcahy started "Suprette" and the one cd they put out, "Tiger", has a punkish sort of energy, and wicked black lyrics, mixed in with gorgeous tracks such as "Waves". Dave Yetton started a band called "The Stereo Bus" and I highly recommend both of their cds, which in many ways continue some of the best aspects of JPSE, yet are not merely copying that band. Dave Mulcahy broke up Suprette and has put out a wonderful solo cd called "Oddy Knocky" He also has a band called "Spiders" He is on an indie label called Arch Hill, which was started in part by the bassist from Suprette, and Jim Lang is on that label as well, in a band called "Lankey" I realize this is more info than you probably need, but one thing I have always enjoyed about NZ music is that if you like a certain band, you are certain to find other good bands and music that the members have been involved in. James, when I talked about this idea to Jeremy Eade, and mentioned all I knew about JPSE and its offshoots, he said most NZ'ers don't know this stuff! - --- bibigellert@earthlink.net - --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 11:04:19 -0500 From: steve Subject: Flying Dragon, Leaping Tiger - or gnat get to see kung fu http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/02/arts/02TIGE.html?searchpv=day02 - - Steve __________ "we must therefore reject the central animating idea of modern Establishment Clause analysis: that taxpayers have a constitutional right to insist that none of their taxes be used for religious purposes." - Michael McConnell, Bush Circuit Court nominee ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #263 ********************************