From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #261 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, July 2 2001 Volume 10 : Number 261 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: encores -- puzzling out their existence ["Rob" ] Re: last of the older actors [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: last of the older actors ["Maximilian Lang" ] Daniel Johnston and Wild Man Fischer together! ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: Daniel Johnston and Wild Man Fischer together! [Alfred Masciocchi ] Re: BIG PEOPLE!!! [Eb ] Cheap shot [Capuchin ] HK Films [steve ] in the spirit of lj [steve ] Pete Quaife [Jill Brand ] Re: BIG PEOPLE!!! [bayard ] George Bush is 77% in love with Robyn Hitchcock! [Jeff Dwarf ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 11:37:54 +0100 From: "Rob" Subject: Re: encores -- puzzling out their existence On 29 Jun 2001, at 20:39, Eb wrote: > >>So when did the "encore" become an expected feature of a perfomance? > > I always love it when a band powers through a satisfying, full-length set, > then just leaves and skips the encore ritual. Doesn't happen too often. The > Wedding Present is the only specific example which I can come up with, > right now. > I saw Belle & Sebastian on Wednesday night and there was no encore, so far on the tour I believe they've done only one. They used to be criticised for being bad live performers but they seem to have learned how to do it now and put on a very good show. They're rumoured to be planning to tour in the US later in the year, certainly worth going to see them if you can. They're not your typical rock band by any stretch of the imagination, twee is how they're often described. I was going to write about them anyway because I've found some of their recent song titles particularly endearing and I thought worth a mention. 'The Loneliness of a Middle Distance Runner', 'Take Your Carriage Clock and Shove It' and '(My Girl's Got) Miraculous Technique' are my some of my favourites. - -- Rob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 23:43:57 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Basses and Encores >Quite a good list; I was pleased to see Pete Quaife in there. I assume >that he has been working in the building trade for the past 35 years - any >info? But where are all-time greats Chris Hillman and Felix Pappalardi? I was pleased to see Colin Moulding's name. But no Mark King? And (being a NZer ;) I'd like to add Nigel Griggs' name, too. I didn't notice - was Robbie Shakespeare's name in the list? >>>So when did the "encore" become an expected feature of a perfomance? > >I always love it when a band powers through a satisfying, full-length set, >then just leaves and skips the encore ritual. Doesn't happen too often. The >Wedding Present is the only specific example which I can come up with, >right now. I can recall one gig by someone (hm... possibly the Chills?) where they started by saying "We're doing our encore first, so once we've played three songs, I want you all to applaud loudly backwards - then we'll play our set." James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 23:44:13 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: last of the older actors >>not sure when you have to have made your first appearance to make the cut, >>nor when you have to have made your most recent to qualify as visible, nor >>how many to qualify as legendary (lemmon = 1949, 2000, and 97). but how >>about: >> >>- --kirk douglas (1946, 1999, and 88) >>- --liz taylor (1942, 2001, and 94) >>- --albert finney (1960, 2001, and 54) >>- --robert altman (1951, 2001, and 75) >>- --peter fonda (1963, 2001, and 77) >>- --paul newman (1949, 2002, and 70) >Whom we agreed on: Douglas, Taylor, Bacall, Debbie Reynolds, Tony Curtis, >Gregory Peck, Mickey Rooney, Sidney Poitier, Rod Steiger (if he's enough of >a marquee name), Marlon Brando, Katherine Hepburn, Bob Hope and Shirley >Temple. But if you want to strictly adhere to my initial "visible" >criteria, you'd have to delete Hepburn and Hope. And Brando and Poitier are >really on the chronological edge.... >Sid Caesar. Billy Wilder. Debbie Reynolds. Eddie Fisher. Tony Curtis. >Janet Leigh. Sidney Poitier. Christopher Lee, Harry Dean Stanton, >Cloris Leachman, and Charles Durning are more character actors. Marcel >Marceau, but he really isn't Hollywood. Ed McMahon. Johnny Carson. Bob >Hope. Jean Stapleton. Doris Day. Jack Klugman. Tony Randall. Norman >Lear. Carl Reiner. Russ Meyer. Marlon Brando. Ruby Dee, Ossie Davis, >Betty White, Don Knotts, Andy Griffith, Roscoe Lee Browne, Dick Van >Dyke, Mel Brooks, Jerry Lewis, Jayne Meadows, Harry Belafonte, Bob >Keeshan, Christopher Plummer, Neil Simon, Eartha Kitt, Shirley Temple. Gene Hackman!!! The following all made their film debuts more than 35 years ago. Although many of them couldn't be grouped alongside the likes of Hope and Day, several of them could. - - Jack Nicholson, Dean Stockwell, Roger Moore, Sir Sean Connery, Burt Reynolds, Vanessa Redgrave, Robert Wagner, Sir Anthony Hopkins, Peter O'Toole, Richard Harris, Michael York, Dudley Moore, Hayley Mills, Shirley MacLaine, Warren Beatty, Sophia Loren, Sir John Mills, James Earl Jones, John Hurt, Dennis Hopper, James Garner, Jane Fonda, Mia Farrow, Bruce Dern, Catherine Deneuve, Joan Collins, Julie Christie, Terence Stamp, Sir Michael Caine, James Caan, Ellen Burstyn, both Jeff and Beau Bridges, Alan Bates, Brigitte Bardot, and Julie Andrews. In some cases, such as Stockwell and Mills (J), the debuts were before 1950. Others that I'm not sure are still extant: Richard Widmark, Robert Stack, George Segal, Robert Shaw, Robert Preston, Omar Sharif, Kim Novak, Marcello Mastroianni, Lee Marvin, Janet Leigh, Deborah Kerr, Ava Gardner, Glenn Ford, Joan Fontaine, Robert Duvall, Joseph Cotten, John Cassavetes, Charles Bronson, Ernest Borgnine, Anne Bancroft, Lee Marvin, Ann-Margret, and Don Ameche. Is Vincent Price dead, or still just undead? Norman Wisdom is an unofficial state hero of Albania... and if you can count Ms Temple-Black, you can also count Glenda Jackson MP, Ronald Reagan, and everyone's favourite psychopath, Charlton Heston. And are you sure Gregory Peck and Tony Randall are still around? James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 13:14:21 +0100 From: "Matt Browne" Subject: Re: Basses and Encores On 30/06/2001, at 23:43, grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: >And (being a NZer ;) I'd like to add Nigel Griggs' name, too. Good old Nigel may have been in Split Enz, but he was a Brit! Comes from Hatfield in Hertfordshire, I believe. Let's hear it for Hatfield! It's the only place more rock 'n' roll than Welwyn Garden City. - -- Matt Browne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 05:37:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: last of the older actors James Dignan wrote: > Others that I'm not sure are still extant: > George Segal, alive and making a pretty boring sitcom with david spade and laura san giacomo. > Janet Leigh, definitely still alive; checked when i mentioned her. > Robert Duvall, alive. > Anne Bancroft, was sitting next to her husband at the tony's.... > Lee Marvin, Aug 29, 1987 > Don Ameche. Dec 6, 1993 > Is Vincent Price dead, or still just undead? Oct 25, 1993 > And are you sure Gregory Peck and Tony Randall are still around? and in randall's case, breeding.... Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 08:37:45 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: last of the older actors >Others that I'm not sure are still extant: Richard Widmark, Robert Stack, >George Segal, Robert Shaw, Robert Preston, Omar Sharif, Kim Novak, Marcello >Mastroianni, Lee Marvin, Janet Leigh, Deborah Kerr, Ava Gardner, Glenn >Ford, Joan Fontaine, Robert Duvall, Joseph Cotten, John Cassavetes, Charles >Bronson, Ernest Borgnine, Anne Bancroft, Lee Marvin, Ann-Margret, and Don >Ameche. > >Is Vincent Price dead, or still just undead? > >>And are you sure Gregory Peck and Tony Randall are still around? > Alive: Widmark, Stack, Segal, Sharif, Novak, Leigh, Fontaine(her sister also), Duvall, Bronson, Borgnine, Bancroft, Margret, Peck, Randall. Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 10:33:48 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Daniel Johnston and Wild Man Fischer together! I intercepted this from the [outsidermusic] list. Yikes, does this sound like a crazy performance: From http://www.erie.net/~bbelovar/wildman/ Wild Man Fischer is scheduled to perform with Daniel Johnston at The Key Club (http://www.thekeyclub.net/calendar_jul2001b.htm) in Hollywood, California on July 7, 2001. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 10:50:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Marshall Needleman Armintor Subject: badge >Love that song, but dont understand bout how it fits in with the non-word word thing. Please explain. And while youre at it--what the hell - -does-that title mean(or is that part of the answer?:-) <> Ah, good, that helps clarify things. Whenever one of my college roommates played this song (from the Crossroads box), we'd wait until the song rolled around to that little pause where you'd expect a chorus, and sing in an attempted falsetto manner, "Badge!"...clearly perturbed that there were no references to badges in the song. I'm sure (I hope, anyway) lots of other people had similiar responses... marshall np Joni Mitchell, _For the Roses_ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 13:39:03 -0400 From: Alfred Masciocchi Subject: Re: Daniel Johnston and Wild Man Fischer together! Please, somebody, anybody - record this show! "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." wrote: > I intercepted this from the [outsidermusic] list. Yikes, does this > sound like a crazy performance: > > From http://www.erie.net/~bbelovar/wildman/ > > Wild Man Fischer is scheduled to perform with Daniel Johnston at The > Key Club (http://www.thekeyclub.net/calendar_jul2001b.htm) in > Hollywood, California on July 7, 2001. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 11:04:08 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: Gormenghast/CTHD on 6/27/01 8:38 AM, s.mary at mad@loona.net wrote: > And with all the talk about Zhang Ziyi and her looks, I must admit I > thought > the Mongol (?) guy that she fell in love with to be really good-looking. HELL yeah. He needed a shave though. - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 13:02:52 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: BIG PEOPLE!!! Jeff Dwarf added: Sid Caesar. Billy Wilder. Eddie Fisher. Janet Leigh. Christopher Lee, Harry Dean Stanton, Cloris Leachman, and Charles Durning are more character actors. Marcel Marceau, but he really isn't Hollywood. Ed McMahon. Johnny Carson. Jean Stapleton. Doris Day. Jack Klugman. Tony Randall. Norman Lear. Carl Reiner. Russ Meyer. Ruby Dee, Ossie Davis, Betty White, Don Knotts, Andy Griffith, Roscoe Lee Browne, Dick Van Dyke, Mel Brooks, Jerry Lewis, Jayne Meadows, Harry Belafonte, Bob Keeshan, Christopher Plummer, Neil Simon, Eartha Kitt. - --- Your list is really all over the place...extending to supporting players and waaaay too many television names. When I introduced the subject, I was thinking more of the classic "Golden Age of Hollywood" legends. Jerry Lewis was an obvious one I should've thought of, though. I guess that I routinely repress my awareness of his existence. ;) James: >Don Ameche, Joseph Cotten, John Cassevetes, Ava Gardner, Lee Marvin, >Robert Shaw, Robert Preston, Marcello Mastrioanni, Vincent Price You really need to read the obituaries more often, James. ;) And I *think* Glenn Ford is dead, but I'm not as sure about that. Cotten died *yeeeears* ago! >And are you sure Gregory Peck and Tony Randall are still around? Yes. >Please, somebody, anybody - record this show! > >> Wild Man Fischer is scheduled to perform with Daniel Johnston at The >> Key Club (http://www.thekeyclub.net/calendar_jul2001b.htm) in >> Hollywood, California on July 7, 2001. You know, I *did* already mention this show in one of my recent "concert reports" -- you should've paid better attention. ;) And yeah, I don't think I could bear to miss this "landmark event." I'm not interesting in taping, however. Sorry. I pity anyone who has to spend an entire concert planted in one spot while being frantically careful not to jostle, speak, cough, cheer, turn.... Speaking of film, I fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinally saw the most culturally/professionally mandated film of recent years: "Almost Famous." I liked it, but was a little disappointed, I'm very sorry to say. The story seemed way too clean-cut, simplified and idealistic -- it just didn't feel "real" to me, somehow. No hard drugs, no "depraved" sexual exploits, everyone is "good people," etc. It seemed so Disneyfied. And I just didn't get any sense of why this kid would be uniquely perceptive/eloquent, beyond his mom happening to be an arty professor type. Also, it was like all music journalism requires is for you to sit around tapping your temple, trying to come up with a list of vapid metaphors for a band's sound. Blah. And those awful interview questions! My own rule of thumb is that you can usually measure how good a question is by how many different artists it can apply to. And almost every question in the film was some bland "What does music mean to you?"-type query which could be casually tossed at any musician on Earth.... It just didn't make me fantasize about being part of that scene, in the same way that, say, "Day for Night" and "The Stunt Man" made me fantasize about being part of the film world. I wasn't as captivated by Kate Hudson as I expected to be, either -- actually, I thought the always-great Philip Seymour Hoffman was the film's best performance. picky Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 15:33:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Cheap shot On Sat, 30 Jun 2001, Eb wrote: > I'm not interesting in taping, however. You're not interesting in writing, either. Sorry, someone had to write it. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 18:59:15 -0500 From: steve Subject: HK Films gnat: > I would be happy to see other kung fu films if Steve Schiavo would be so > kind as to recommend them, and if I had a television. Well, my taste in HK films runs to what I think of as costume films: Once Upon A Time In China 1, 2 & 3 A Chinese Ghost Story 1, 2 & 3, and there is also an animated version The Bride With White Hair 1 (not 2) Zu - Warriors Of The Magic Mountain These might have supernatural elements or not. You might think flying would be supernatural, but sometimes it is the result of supreme martial arts training. If you notice, the people in CTHD don't actually fly - they take really long hops. On the other hand, the martial artists in Fire Dragon pretty much hop up and fly. And, of course, ghosts, demons, and Taoist magician priests are prone to flight. What I'm not so interested is the cop films, although I really don't dislike them. And I have absolutely no interest in the strait Kung Fu films, like the ones Bruce Lee is famous for. There are also all kinds of ghost films, including erotic ones. And vampire films, although they're not like western vampire films. And sex films - costume epics, comedies, female revenge - you name it. And ass-kicking females abound, as undercover agents, hired assassins, martial artists, etc. The best place to start might be at a bookstore film section. There's a recommend book list below, so you can look through some of these and see if anything seems interesting. Sex and Zen & A Bullet In The Head by Stefan Hammond & Mike Wilkins is a quick overview. Anyway, there are thousands of HK films, and I've only seen a small fraction of them. One thing to remember - films in a series tend to be variations on a theme, not direct sequels. - - Steve __________ HONG KONG FILM HISTORY A Brief Historical Tour Of The HK Martial Arts Film http://www.brightlightsfilm.com/31/hk_brief1.html Hong Kong Films 101 http://www.asianfilm.org/hk101_intro.html Hong Kong Action Cinema - An Introduction http://members.home.net/noshadow/hkintro.html __________ HONG KONG FILM BOOKS http://www.asianfilm.org/hk101books.html __________ SITES WITH FILM REVIEWS Kung Fu Cult Cinema http://www.kfccinema.com/ Five Deadly Venoms http://64.225.62.164/fdv/index.html Hong Kong Film Critics Society http://filmcritics.org.hk/home.html The Martial Artist's Guide to Hong Kong Films http://www.ronlim.com/martial.html Bright Lights Film Journal - HK Films http://www.brightlightsfilm.com/hongkongindex.html The Girl's Guide To Hong Kong Movies http://www.girlsguidetohkmovies.com/ A Website Never Dies http://www.hkmdb.com/mc4/ Hong Kong Film Reviews http://www.cam.org/~reelrev/hk_films.htm Hong Kong Movie Database http://www.hkmdb.com/ Hong Kong Action Cinema Movie Reviews http://members.home.net/noshadow/hkreview.html __________ HONG KONG FILM NEWS Hong Kong Entertainment News In Review http://www.hkentreview.com/ __________ LINK PAGES http://www.explode.com/dan/links-asian.html http://www.kowloonside.com/links.html http://sunflower.singnet.com.sg/~ndrew/hk.htm http://www.besthongkongfilms.com/ _________ HONG KONG FILMS ON DVD http://pokerindustries.com/ http://www.asiafilm.com/ http://secure.taiseng.com/taisengMain/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 19:06:27 -0500 From: steve Subject: in the spirit of lj Wacky spam - at first glance I thought it said Perfect New Wife! 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He has had a bit of a rough time just in the last month because he was in the hospital for some kind of heart surgery, but he is doing well now. Pete came down to Boston on my birthday two years ago to see Dave Davies do a solo show at this tiny venue called the Sit n Bull in fabulous downtown Maynard, MA. Dave always plays there when he comes east (it's owned by a raging Kinks fan), and people have come from all over (including England, Switzerland, Brazil, Spain, and Germany) to see Dave there. Anyway, Pete had a great time at the gig and even drew me a birthday picture. This is more than you wanted to know, right? Anyway, he answers questions from time to time on the Kinks list. Jill, ready to see Dave twice in August ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 21:04:25 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: Re: BIG PEOPLE!!! > You really need to read the obituaries more often, James. well gosh, not everyone is as obsessed with death as you! (yet another link to C.E. Winchester, as Danielle once posted... where's she got to anyway?) (insert smiley here) =smiley ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 01:20:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: George Bush is 77% in love with Robyn Hitchcock! http://www.georgebushlovesyou.com ===== "Loyalty to a petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul." Mark Twain "The jury is the last line of defense against corporate misconduct." Craig McDonald Texans for Public Justice Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 15:39:03 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Badge over troubled waters On Fri, 29 Jun 2001, Glen Uber wrote: > As I understand it, George Harrison had written the lyrics out and had > certain notations on the paper indicating verse 1, verse 2, etc. Eric > Clapton apparently misread the word "bridge" as "badge" and thought that > it was the title of the song. Interesting! The only other useless fact I know about 'Badge' is that the line "I told you 'bout the swans, that they live in the park" was written by Ringo Starr ... Did they ever admit that the "Sun sun sun here it comes" arpeggio guitar was played by George? IIRC, my copy of Goodbye Cream attributes it to L'angelo Misterioso. I assume that they never played Badge live? I saw Eric play it at the Rainbow comeback concert in 1974(?), but that wasn't with Cream. I remember Cream playing TOBU once and White Room a couple of times, but usually they stuck to the open-ended jam blues numbers on stage - you know, Politician, Stepping Out, Spoonful, Crossroads, Train Time and of course Toad. AFAIK they never performed things like Deserted Cities of the Heart, As you said, What a bringdown, or Pressed Rat and Warthog. - - Mike Godwin PS re extant film stars: Robert Shaw died in 1978 (just looked it up). Mention of Jack Klugman leads me to ask how many of the 12 angry men are still amongst us? And are they still angry? ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #261 ********************************