From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #260 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, June 30 2001 Volume 10 : Number 260 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Crouching Moose, Hidden Trilobite ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Per...NICE! [Eb ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V10 #259 [Johnathan Vail ] Titus and Strident Wet Nurse (0% GBV) [Natalie Jane Jacobs ] Re: Probably mentioned already... [Michael R Godwin ] RE: Robyn Sweats in New Hampshire [Tom Clark ] soft boys disc? [John Barrington Jones ] Badge over troubled waters [Glen Uber ] Road Tunes (Chris Smither content) ["Mike wells" ] dum dum bullets ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: Only RH content art-oriented [steve ] Re: Probably mentioned already... [Terrence Marks ] Re: encores -- puzzling out their existence [Capuchin ] Re: encores -- puzzling out their existence [Eb ] Re: YOUR DICK SO BIG IT SCARES PEOPLE!!! [Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Crouching Moose, Hidden Trilobite gnat@shaft.bitmine.net wrote: > > [Gormenghast] It looks very pretty for a relatively low budget > production - nice costumes especially. erm, I think this was one of the largest budgets that BBC Drama has ever had to play with. > And I wish that Cora and Clarice actually > looked remotely similar to each other! They did a good job, esp. if you see the two folks w/o makeup in RL. > The script is pretty good, but not > as good as it could be. It's not bad, considering the vast amount of stuff they had to leave out. > Note to Mervyn Peake - pregnant women do not > lactate, unless they are currently nursing another baby. The Bard of Battersea has been dead these thirty years and more. You'll need a medium (a large will do at a pinch). Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 10:52:37 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: more reap Maximilian Lang wrote: > > >From: "Stewart C. Russell > >Joan Sims!!!!!!!! > > Pardon my ignorance, who is this? just the star of every Carry On film, if such a thing existed. Details: http://news6.thdo.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/film/newsid%5F1411000/1411839.stm If she wasn't on the cover of a Smiths album (they put Hawtrey on the best of), she should have been. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 22:51:06 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Per...NICE! >Woj may chastise me if I don't mention that you can get subscription >info at www.bigtakeover.com. The next issue is supposed to have a >feature article on the Soft Boys, in fact. Woo hoo! I once tried the Big Takeover mailing list for a few months, hoping it would be an informative environment for tips on good underground bands. Instead, it turned out to be a bunch of aging ex-punks talking about the glory days of the '80s. It's a great list if you're still interested in discussing, say, Naked Raygun and the Saints. I eventually unsubscribed, needless to say. I've felt the same way about all those "Pernice" projects: the Scud Mountain Boys, the Pernice Brothers, Chappaquiddick Skyline.... I like the fundamental approach, but something about the delivery leaves me cold. The voices are too smooth, bland and sedating. Not enough edge or emotion for me. The first song on that Pernice Brothers disc is real purty, though (too bad it's spoiled with an unnecessary coda). Eb now ehhing: Scannerfunk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:46:01 -0400 From: Johnathan Vail Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V10 #259 Nuppy, "brian nupp" writes: I was listening to a CDR of Robyn Hitchcock and the Egyptians from June 14 1989 (FM broadcast) I recently aquired... and they played Veins of the Queen. During this song there is a trumpet just like the one the on the album. Now when I saw them on this tour, just 10 days later in Cleveland, Poi Dog Pondering was playing with them and the trumpet player from PDP came out and played on this song. I have a recording from Detroit days later where "Dave" from PDP also plays on this song, but it sounds completely different. So I'm wondering if this is Dave from PDP on the 6.14.89 (or 14.6.89 depending where you live) or not. I remember Andy M. playing bits of a keyboard at the Cleveland show, so maybe he's stopped playing the bass to play the trumpet part, but it really sounds like a real trumpet on this disc. Did PDP tour with RHE the entire US Queen Elvis tour? Nuppy Dunno the whole story. I saw them both at Club Casino at Hampton Beach in New Hampshire and the trumpet player from PDP played the trumpet solo there too. He looked really nervous and in awe of playing with RH or something. Other notable memories from that show: Robyn and the band swapped instruments for an encore of Higsons. He did a great intro involving something crawling in from the beach (the venue is on the beach strip) for Tropical Flesh Mandala. jv <- do you see your cerebellum as a lightbulb or a cog? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:34:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Natalie Jane Jacobs Subject: Titus and Strident Wet Nurse (0% GBV) > > [Gormenghast] It looks very pretty for a relatively low budget > > production - nice costumes especially. > > erm, I think this was one of the largest budgets that BBC Drama has ever > had to play with. "*Relatively*" low budget - as compared with a feature film. You think there'd be those cheesy matte paintings if BBC had 200 million dollars (or the British equivalent thereof) to work with? > > And I wish that Cora and Clarice actually > > looked remotely similar to each other! > > They did a good job, esp. if you see the two folks w/o makeup in RL. They're different heights, for god's sake! I liked their singular voice, though. > > Note to Mervyn Peake - pregnant women do not > > lactate, unless they are currently nursing another baby. > > The Bard of Battersea has been dead these thirty years and more. Uh, I'm aware of this. :P Anyway, I sort of misstated myself... pregnant women don't lactate unless they were nursing a baby already before they got pregnant. So Part 2 was even more wildly compressed than Part 1 - it's too bad they couldn't spread this out over a few more days. The climactic fight between Titus and Steerpike lasted all of thirty seconds. More hysterical scenery-chewing from Rhys Meyer, and the adult Titus can't act worth a whit. The child Titus, as Viv pointed out, bore a *remarkable* resemblance to Nick Drake! I kept expecting him to whip out a guitar and start singing "Pink Moon." The absolute highlight was Irma Prunesquallor's party. Fiona Shaw, John Sessions, and the brilliant Stephen Fry (as Bellgrove) were all terrific, and made up for the show's more bathetic moments. n. p.s. Thank you all for your condolences re. my cat. He still seems to be lurking around my apartment, but his cat-ghost is starting to fade. p.p.s. Funny that y'all should be talking about the Pernice Brothers. I heard them in a record store a few weeks ago and asked who they were... I thought they were an alt-country band, but they seem to have gone all Beatlesque. I think I might pick up their CD. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 15:38:13 -0000 From: "Tigger Lily" Subject: Only RH content art-oriented James wrote: >honourable mentions go ... Cream's song "Badge" Love that song, but dont understand bout how it fits in with the non-word word thing. Please explain. And while youre at it--what the hell -does- that title mean(or is that part of the answer?:-) >My favourite is probably the term Vesuviate - to >suddenly explode in a violent or angry outburst Useful term. Its shorter than its definition and immediatly understandable. - -------------- Steve: Love the weeklywolrd news bit. This is a smart parody of tabloids, right? Or is a tabloid with writers with a wicked sense of humor? - ----------------- Jason: >You don't have a copy of Conflict Catcher handy do you? ?What is Conflict Catcher? - --------------- Stewart, love the Internet Public Library. Something somewhat like it is at the Librarians Index to the Internet at www.lii.org - ---------------- Hopstetter: Mmmmm, orrery, great word /great object( the hollow-globe with its orbits and the cupid's arrow thru it.) Need to look up the other two. >i'm getting real close to picking up >the old paints and brushes again, though. Ahhh, so you did paint as well as write. One of my favorite exhibits I ever put up was on artists/writers. I only went for a choice few: Blake, Morris, Vigie Le Brun and Spare. What I really like is how Blake and Spare incorporated their writing into their art. Sorta like early comic books:-). Have you -- or any one else here done that? (I wish Robyn did more of it. One of my prized possessions is the big poster that came out with Globe of Frogs. Great stong graphics, Robyn doing hand semephores to obscure half his face(or as my daughter says--picking his nose;-)and some of the text of the manifesto. Hey, I like it so much I even paid to have it nicely framed and protected under glass.) >And I love paintings which dialog with the museum and >the other paintings around them. A Pollock will burn itself into >your >eyes and stay with you for quite a >hile, whether you're looking at a white wall or another painting. The ghost-image layering over other things ... sounds like an image from a Robyn song. Love how you say " burn itself into your eyes." Yes, thats what the good stuff does. Burns itself into your eyes past your mind and right into the pit of you. Ive always felt that looking at a Pollock was like looking at a freeze frame of the human consiousness, -- cause you know all that stuff starts moving as soon as you turn your head away!(Have you ever wondered what paintings do in museums at night when no ones around;-)? I love contrast with underlying connections. Unless theres a really powerful cumulative effect, I like sharp "apparant" differences as I go from work to work. A late Titian with expanding brushwork followed by a Pollock and then a Greek relief where the drapery swirls play off the Pollock. Stuff never gets set up like that thou. Its usually like to like, period to period. Its like being at a good restraunt and having a touch of sherbert tween the entree and the cheese and salad courses. By clearing the palatte it keeps the tastes fresh and you from becoming satiated. >The sublime interplay of the rudiments of >painting always fascinate me, but so does the candlelight reflecting >off >of a steel helmet in a Rembrandt. Oh yeah! How the paint moves on the canvas. Let me brag about the two next shows coming to the Philadelphia Academy of Fine Art. First the Smith College collection which is one of the top college collections in the country(all those rich arty woman willing them stuff.) Its got some great primitive folk art, wonderful American Impressionist works(Tryon was their curator for awhile), some Nadeleman sculpture and loads of modern and pomo stuff. Then, following that--an exhibit from the Uffizi(sigh) of their Renaissance stuff(and Ren stuff dont -get- better than from the Ufittzi.) - ------------------------------ Gnat: >Re. seeing art in real life, the one piece of art that I've seen, >that can >never really be captured in reproduction, is the Gaudi c>athedral in >Barcelona. Wow, is that amazing - like some sort of >beautiful organic >structure, a coral reef or something like that, and >so much detail and >care and love put into every inch of it. I made a >vow to go back and see >it when it's finished, but I'll probably be a>bout 100 years old by that >time. Coral reef is great description of it. I also think of a drip sand-castle made by a giant Apollo and Hermes one day when they were bored. Gaudi is amazing--did you see the St George and the Dragon house? Do you know of any architect like him? I love his stuff. >Note to Mervyn Peake - pregnant women do not >lactate, unless they are currently nursing another baby. ... which is unlikely since if youre making milk the chances are high youre not ovalating. Whatever hormone(prolactin?) it is that produces the milk it also tends to throw your estrogen/progesterone thing off. Keeping a child to the breast is one of the oldest and most common (thou not foolproof) forms of birth control. Not that you can really inform Peake of this;-). Viv -- I like dream stories. Eb >Egg, meet face. ;) Actually more like nice tasty lemon mousse pie(yum.) I enjoyed the oddness of the whole experience. And since Im not a techie I have no pride. - --------------------- The other pale meat: >i'm working with someone who is a kay clone. aiiiiee! A kay clone? Shes not in a techie position, is she? That could be very dangerous! Im not sure the world can deal with 2 of us. So sorry. How do you plan to dispose of her?;-) Kay, feeling great pity for Woj _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 17:33:29 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Probably mentioned already... > "Blackman, Tony 1" wrote: > Spotted Andy Metcalfe at No. 52 and > Matthew Seligman at No. 74 in the "100 Bass Players of Rock" > For comparison, Bill > Wyman just makes it in at No. 100. On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, John McIntyre wrote: > What Tony missed is that the list is in alphabetical order. (-8 Nice one, John! Quite a good list; I was pleased to see Pete Quaife in there. I assume that he has been working in the building trade for the past 35 years - any info? But where are all-time greats Chris Hillman and Felix Pappalardi? - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 10:31:56 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: RE: Robyn Sweats in New Hampshire on 6/29/01 5:46 AM, Johnathan Vail at vail@newts.org wrote: > Dunno the whole story. I saw them both at Club Casino at Hampton > Beach in New Hampshire and the trumpet player from PDP played the > trumpet solo there too. He looked really nervous and in awe of > playing with RH or something. > > Other notable memories from that show: Robyn and the band swapped > instruments for an encore of Higsons. He did a great intro involving > something crawling in from the beach (the venue is on the beach strip) > for Tropical Flesh Mandala. I was at that show too. Now that you mention the TFM intro, I remember him pointing in the direction of the ocean, only to be told it was towards the other side of the stage. My wife (fiance at the time) grabbed one of Robyn's sweat towels from the side of the stage. We still have it if anybody's interested in a little cult figure DNA... Fri-day, - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 10:36:16 -0700 (PDT) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: soft boys disc? hey, has anyone made a cd from the tracks available for download from underwatermoonlight.com? (the free ones, not the pay tracks). i know some tracks start and stop abruptly, so i picture someone doing some cross-fade action on it. if this is you, and you want to disseminate your work, let me know. ta, =jbj= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 10:39:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Glen Uber Subject: Badge over troubled waters On Fri, 29 Jun 2001, Tigger Lily wrote: >Love that song, but dont understand bout how it fits in with the non-word >word thing. Please explain. And while youre at it--what the hell -does- that >title mean(or is that part of the answer?:-) As I understand it, George Harrison had written the lyrics out and had certain notations on the paper indicating verse 1, verse 2, etc. Eric Clapton apparently misread the word "bridge" as "badge" and thought that it was the title of the song. I used to play bass and sing the high Jack Bruce parts in a Clapton/Cream tribute band called the Badge of Brave Ulysses. We later shortened the name to Badge after deciding that the original name made us sound like a proggy band. Not that there's anything wrong with that... Cheers! - -g- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 13:08:04 -0500 From: "Mike wells" Subject: Road Tunes (Chris Smither content) Put in a bunch of windshield time recently (900 miles yesterday alone), and aside from getting a chance to dust off the "seek" and "scan" buttons on my radio and relearn all the different sounds a radar detector makes, I had plenty of time to decide that Chris Smither's "Live as I'll Ever Be" might have to be the best road-trip disc EVER. There, that should get things rolling. (for RH I took "Eye", "Storefront", and "Moss Elixer"...should have grabbed a bunch of live shows too but kind of fried out on them over the past few months) Anyway, a Smither mailing list update waiting on my return had a couple of notes that some may find interesting, below. Cheers, Michael who did buy a fridge magnet and a few guitar picks at Ernest Tubb's Record Shop in Nashville, blatent consumeristic guilt feelings notwithstanding ================== CHRIS SMITHER NEWS * If you live in the Boston area, tune in to the TV show "Chronicle" TONIGHT at 7:30pm. They'll be doing a story about Positively 4th Street, the new book by David Hajdu chronicling "The Lives and Times of Joan Baez, Bob Dylan, Mimi Baez Farina, and Richard Farina" and, during the piece, they will be showing, among lots of other things, clips of an interview with, and performance by,,Chris. In Boston - WDVB/ABC - Channel 5, 7:30pm. * We're very happy to announce that, now available alongside Chris's stuff in our store are CDs from the wonderful PETER CASE. If you've never seen or heard Peter, here's what Chris has to say about him: "Peter Case is consistently engaging and consistently inventive. I listen to his records over and over." A Grammy-nominated musician (and former member of the Plimsouls) who recently produced AVALON BLUES, the CD tribute to Mississippi John Hurt (that Chris took part in and which you can also pick up at our store), Peter has a brand new website (www.petercase.com - the server is being iffy today but keep trying!) and, as I mentioned, you can now order his CDs at our site - http://www.younghunter.com/store.html. DEFINITELY someone to check out. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:10:53 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Probably mentioned already... >> "Blackman, Tony 1" wrote: > Spotted Andy Metcalfe at No. 52 and >> Matthew Seligman at No. 74 in the "100 Bass Players of Rock" >> For comparison, Bill >>. Wyman just makes it in at No. 100. >On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, John McIntyre wrote: >> What Tony missed is that the list is in alphabetical order. (-8 Mike Goodwin wrote >Nice one, John! >Quite a good list; I was pleased to see Pete Quaife in there. I assume >that he has been working in the building trade for the past 35 years - any >info? But where are all-time greats Chris Hillman and Felix Pappalardi? Good catch on Chris Hillman and Felix Pappalardi. I would also add Barry Oakley( Allman Brothers Band), Sara Lee (Gang of Four, B-52's, Groovy Decay) Lee Dorman(Captain Beyond, Iron Butterfly). Also, Vicki Peterson played lead guitar, not bass for the Bangles. Michael Steele was the bass player for the Bangles. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 17:28:39 -0500 From: JH3 Subject: Re: Per...NICE! Ebwrites: > I once tried the Big Takeover mailing list for a few months, hoping it > would be an informative environment for tips on good underground bands. > Instead, it turned out to be a bunch of aging ex-punks talking about the > glory days of the '80s. I'm *shocked*, Eb! Are you actually saying that you DON'T think atmospheric, guitar-effects-crazed, vaguely-existential British punk & post-punk of the early-to-mid 80's was humanity's pinnacle of musical achievement? Pshaw! > It's a great list if you're still interested in > discussing, say, Naked Raygun and the Saints. I eventually > unsubscribed, needless to say. To be fair, I suspect those people have nowhere else to go on the internet to yammer about those kinds of bands... The magazine at least *tries* to be a little more current, though you do get the occasional retrospective piece like the recent two-parter on the Slits, fascinating as THAT was. Anyway, this new Pernice Brothers CD certainly does sound like a keeper. The vocals are a little more breathy than I usually go for, and it would be nice if they threw at least one rave-up just for a change of pace, but the hooks are definitely there. (And the CD player still works, even!) John "Ari Up, kids!" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 16:08:09 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: dum dum bullets >From: gnat@shaft.bitmine.net > >p.s. Saw the first half of "Gormenghast" last night. Some characters >perfect (Nannie Slagg, the Prunesquallors, the Countess, among others), >others not so good. It looks very pretty for a relatively low budget >production - nice costumes especially. The hot yet not very talented >Jonathan Rhys Meyer (Steerpike) chews scenery till his teeth practically >fall out, which is a drag. And I wish that Cora and Clarice actually >looked remotely similar to each other! The script is pretty good, but not >as good as it could be. Note to Mervyn Peake - pregnant women do not >lactate, unless they are currently nursing another baby. I think I liked it better than you did -- I was thrilled. Yeah, Rhys Meyer is much prettier than he is talented, but it could have been SO much worse. I'm holding off on watching the second half until I at least finish TITUS GROAN. I saw A.I. last night. The first two hours of it are totally dreamy -- plenty to pick apart, but taken in total I was so pleased with it. The last half hour is a disaster, but I still think it's well worth seeing. Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 19:33:24 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Only RH content art-oriented On Friday, June 29, 2001, at 10:38 AM, Tigger Lily wrote: > Love the weeklywolrd news bit. This is a smart parody of tabloids, right? > Or is a tabloid with writers with a wicked sense of humor? I think most of the tabloids are owned by one or two companies. Maybe the WWN is the tabloid equivalent of the "alternative" segment of a radio market. - - Steve > __________ INTERNAL INDUSTRY documents obtained by Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., suggest that in the mid-1990s oil companies had little interest in building new refineries because of low profit margins and, in fact, were discussing the need to curtail refinery output to boost profits. - MSNBC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 22:44:25 -0400 From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: Probably mentioned already... > >> "Blackman, Tony 1" wrote: > Spotted Andy Metcalfe at No. 52 and > >> Matthew Seligman at No. 74 in the "100 Bass Players of Rock" > >> For comparison, Bill > >>. Wyman just makes it in at No. 100. > > >On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, John McIntyre wrote: > >> What Tony missed is that the list is in alphabetical order. (-8 Hmm...I'm surprised Roger Waters is in there....Dave Gilmour played most of Pink Floyd's more impressive basslines, at least on the albums. Terrence Marks http://www.unlikeminerva.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 20:39:25 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: encores -- puzzling out their existence >>So when did the "encore" become an expected feature of a perfomance? I always love it when a band powers through a satisfying, full-length set, then just leaves and skips the encore ritual. Doesn't happen too often. The Wedding Present is the only specific example which I can come up with, right now. >>Incredibly sad that [Lemmon's] last film had to be The Legend of Bagger >>Vance. >Even more sad, I just finished watching that movie about twelve minutes ago. Nothing's sadder than Peter Sellers going out with "The Fiendish Plot of Dr. Fu Manchu" instead of "Being There." If there was ever a valedictory performance to wrap up a career, "Being There" was it. Eb, who hasn't seen Bagger Vance np: Portastatic/Looking for Leonard ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 00:30:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: encores -- puzzling out their existence On Fri, 29 Jun 2001, Eb wrote: > >>Incredibly sad that [Lemmon's] last film had to be The Legend of Bagger > >>Vance. > >Even more sad, I just finished watching that movie about twelve minutes ago. Dunno how two (now three) sets of quote marks got in the above... I believe I wrote them both. > Eb, who hasn't seen Bagger Vance Don't bother. That's good advice from me to you. Personally. It's shockingly dull and predictable. And Lemmon's part seems very much like an afterthought along the lines of "Hey, I really liked that gimmick of the old-guy-flashback in Saving Private Ryan... let's do that" and then they added voice-overs that simply stated the very obvious things explained very well by the hand-holding direction. And what the fuck is the "legend" anyway? Some caddy shows up and caddies a game while spouting thinly veiled golf allegory then goes away after being paid. Hoo boy. Oh yeah, and NO town is that crazy about golf. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 01:19:47 -0700 From: "Sirloin Stockade" Subject: Re: YOUR DICK SO BIG IT SCARES PEOPLE!!! not sure when you have to have made your first appearance to make the cut, nor when you have to have made your most recent to qualify as visible, nor how many to qualify as legendary (lemmon = 1949, 2000, and 97). but how about: - --kirk douglas (1946, 1999, and 88) - --liz taylor (1942, 2001, and 94) - --albert finney (1960, 2001, and 54) - --robert altman (1951, 2001, and 75) - --peter fonda (1963, 2001, and 77) - --paul newman (1949, 2002, and 70) ...damn, you're right. i keep think of folks that have died off within just the last few years. SHUT UP, LITTLE MAN! trumps them all (in a fuckin' minute!). apart from that, i think the other records i've listened to the most on my various long road trips are GISH, MILK MILK LEMONADE, MUTATIONS, MERMAID AVENUE, and LITTLE PLASTIC CASTLE. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 02:03:57 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: YOU SCARE PEOPLE!!! Eddie re-emerged from hybernation: >anymore. Lauren Bacall...um....> > >not sure when you have to have made your first appearance to make the cut, >nor when you have to have made your most recent to qualify as visible, nor >how many to qualify as legendary (lemmon = 1949, 2000, and 97). but how >about: > >--kirk douglas (1946, 1999, and 88) >--liz taylor (1942, 2001, and 94) >--albert finney (1960, 2001, and 54) >--robert altman (1951, 2001, and 75) >--peter fonda (1963, 2001, and 77) >--paul newman (1949, 2002, and 70) After I made the above aside, a friend and I were niggling back and forth about who else might be "qualified" for the list. Douglas and Taylor were two of the names we came up with, but we specifically decided Newman isn't quiiiiite "Golden Age" enough. We wouldn't have even considered Finney, Altman or Fonda...no way on those. And I wouldn't consider "when you made your first appearance" -- it's more about when you emerged into the spotlight as a "STAH." Whom we agreed on: Douglas, Taylor, Bacall, Debbie Reynolds, Tony Curtis, Gregory Peck, Mickey Rooney, Sidney Poitier, Rod Steiger (if he's enough of a marquee name), Marlon Brando, Katherine Hepburn, Bob Hope and Shirley Temple. But if you want to strictly adhere to my initial "visible" criteria, you'd have to delete Hepburn and Hope. And Brando and Poitier are really on the chronological edge.... In any case, yeah, a pretty short list. :( Eb PS Is Donald O'Connor dead or alive? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 02:05:20 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: encores -- puzzling out their existence >Oh yeah, and NO town is that crazy about golf. What about Palm Springs? ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 02:40:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: YOUR DICK SO BIG IT SCARES PEOPLE!!! christ eddie, can't help but make _my_ problems public, can you..... Sirloin Stockade wrote: eb wrote: >> Not many of the old Hollywood legends still above-ground and >> visible, anymore. Lauren Bacall...um.... > > not sure when you have to have made your first appearance to make the > cut, nor when you have to have made your most recent to qualify as > visible, nor how many to qualify as legendary (lemmon = 1949, 2000, > and 97). but how about: > > --kirk douglas (1946, 1999, and 88) > --liz taylor (1942, 2001, and 94) > --albert finney (1960, 2001, and 54) > --robert altman (1951, 2001, and 75) > --peter fonda (1963, 2001, and 77) > --paul newman (1949, 2002, and 70) > > ...damn, you're right. i keep think of folks that have died off > within just the last few years. Peter Fonda's too young, really, at a mere 62; i think you have to at least be 70 to qualify. the rest of it, well, it's hard to define but (and i used a pretty wide definition here)... Sid Caesar. Billy Wilder. Debbie Reynolds. Eddie Fisher. Tony Curtis. Janet Leigh. Sidney Poitier. Christopher Lee, Harry Dean Stanton, Cloris Leachman, and Charles Durning are more character actors. Marcel Marceau, but he really isn't Hollywood. Ed McMahon. Johnny Carson. Bob Hope. Jean Stapleton. Doris Day. Jack Klugman. Tony Randall. Norman Lear. Carl Reiner. Russ Meyer. Marlon Brando. Ruby Dee, Ossie Davis, Betty White, Don Knotts, Andy Griffith, Roscoe Lee Browne, Dick Van Dyke, Mel Brooks, Jerry Lewis, Jayne Meadows, Harry Belafonte, Bob Keeshan, Christopher Plummer, Neil Simon, Eartha Kitt, Shirley Temple. and of course, Dick Van Patten. and no, that's really not that many, really. no, working graveyard isn't causing my to have too little on my mind and too much time doing nothing, why do you ask? ===== "Loyalty to a petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul." Mark Twain "The jury is the last line of defense against corporate misconduct." Craig McDonald Texans for Public Justice Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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