From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #258 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, June 27 2001 Volume 10 : Number 258 Today's Subjects: ----------------- lighter than air ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Art! [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] [none] [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] AI (no RH) [Mike Swedene ] Re: Crouching mammal, hidden mythical animal [steve ] Gormenghast/CTHD ["s.mary" ] Rock and Roll Toilet [Ken Weingold ] Re: Crouching tie-rack, hidden drug-store [JH3 ] Plucky pulling a cartload of long-limbed sausages ["Tigger Lily" ] remove [Stephen Mahoney ] Probably mentioned already... ["Blackman, Tony 1" ] RE: Probably mentioned already... ["Poole, R. Edward" ] re: remove attempt #2 [Stephen Mahoney ] Can't believe Eb didn't warn us about this [JH3 ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 17:15:55 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: lighter than air >From: Ken Ostrander > >my ears are still ringing from the air show on sunday night. whoddathunk that >they would rock so hard? it was like pink floyd meets kraftwerk. i thought >that their new material was a bit of a departure from the strictly mellow >grooves of _moon safari_. on stage 'radio #1' had all the ingredients of >a hit >single; but when i heard the studio version later on a sampler disk that was >being given away at the door, it didn't have the same magic. has anyone heard >the new album? I've heard it and I wasn't impressed. But then I'm firmly in the "like 'em, don't love 'em" camp when it comes to Air. >From: gnat@shaft.bitmine.net [CTHD] >Screw the love >story, I want ass-kickin'! [...] > I liked the desert sequence the best. I'm confused. The desert sequence was all love story, and relatively little "ass-kickin'". For that reason it was my least favorite part. >RIP: Aleister, the best cat in the world. :((( Oh no. :( I'm so sorry. I know exactly what Susan and Kay mean about Simon and Garfunkel, but since my first exposure to them was Records My Parents Owned, to me their sound just meant Old and was charming and quaint. I still think a lot of those songs are gorgeous, even if they aren't, I dunno, the Fall or whatever. My parents also had Nashville Skyline, which I thought at the time was kind of silly. Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:28:34 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Art! >> From: "Tigger Lily" >> Subject: Feglowship >> >> As for painters, I agree bout Rothko and Pollock being much less >> heart-thumping in reproduction. Not only do repros belittle them, repros >> also loose the glow. All most all repros mess up the depths of the color, >> which is why neither books nor the Net will ever replace museums. > >I will go out of my way to see a painting in person. I also have favorite >paintings across the country which I love to visit when I'm in their >particular >towns. F'rinstance, the huge Odd Nerdrum canvas, "Five People Around a Water >Hole" in the New Orleans Museum of Art. I don't go to N.O. without visiting >that painting. sigh... the disadvantages of living at the wrong end of an ocean... Furthest I've travelled primarily to see an art exhibition (or more precisely, timed a planned trip deliberately to coincide with an exhibition) was for "Viva la Vida", an exhibition of paintings by Frida Kahlo and Diego Rivera which came to Wellington last year (that's about 600 miles including a 3 hour ferry trip). I always make a point of checking out certain galleries when I'm travelling though - ones I know are likely to have touring exhibitions, or have particular works in them. >In college, I had a roommate who had his walls plastered with Rothko art >posters, and I had done a >good amount of reading about him. But it wasn't until I saw them in >person that I was truly >affected by them. I actually found them unbearably somber, depressing, >and morose; much like how >Rothko himself seemed to be. Wham-o, successful painting! > >There are few things I love more than a big room filled with Barnett >Newmans, Ad Reinhardts, >Robert Motherwells, and Piet Mondrians. :) youse a-talkin' my language! Barnett Newman and Ralph Hotere's [1] work has been a major influence on one of the styles of painting I do myself. James PS - put in one positive vote for "A Chinese Ghost Story"! [1] one of NZ's top artists. Works in installation and painting - his paintings are often like ragged Barnett Newman works, usually in black and white. Examples can be seen at and , if you're interested... James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:58:59 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: [none] >I know we have the largest percentage of librarians of >ANY list (even the United Librarian Front) or so I am >told :) Quick question, about an obscure book (or so >I think it is obscure). I was talking with this woman >at work who said she took a class on icelandic Lit and >she mentioned a book called "THE TALE OF >NIEBELUNGLIED." She told me if I liked the Hobbit I >would like this one too. Any help? Is that the >correct speeling? Anyone else ever hear of it? that would be the Nibelunglied, the song of the Nibelungen - source material for Wagner's ring cycle. I suggest you hunt one of these sites for info: James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 20:40:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: AI (no RH) So how disappointed was I when I found out after sitting throught the 2.5 hour epic that is AI that it was NOT about NSYNC? In The midst of my depression I figured I'd write to you and tell you it was good. A bit on the long side (for the average american "movie" goer) but there is a LOT to think about after seeing it. Parts of the movie had the audience either LAUGHING or crying. Oh well, that is all for now So I do NOT ruin anything about the plot. Peace, Love and Androids (That dream of Electric Sheep) Herbie np - Weezer 3/17/01 "In The Garage" Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 22:39:57 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Crouching mammal, hidden mythical animal On Tuesday, June 26, 2001, at 10:45 AM, gnat@shaft.bitmine.net wrote: > It just made me want to see more Jackie Chan films, or failing that, "Hard > Boiled" for the third time. Right, it's off to HK Film Re-Education Camp for Natalie, Hedges, and Eb. They will be given the Little Alex Treatment via continual viewing of The Bride With White Hair. There will be no KungFu Pratfall or Jumping Sideways In Slow Motion Firing Two Automatic Pistols With Doves Flying In The Background scenes allowed. If this seems harsh, just remember that it could be The Bride With White Hair 2. If treatment is successful, Time And Tide will be shown as a reward. - - Steve __________ As White House advisor Karl Rove struggles to avoid any more scandal surrounding his ownership of Intel stock, the president's recent financial disclosure forms show that the computer chip-maker also had some investors in the first family: Barbara and Jenna Bush, whose trust funds each held between $1,000 and $15,000 worth of Intel stock. - Salon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 22:52:14 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: now the darkness hides... On Tuesday, June 26, 2001, at 10:16 AM, Jill Brand wrote: > I don't know Chinatown. Why is that? An A-Side from 1971. It's on the now o/p GREAT MOVE and several comps. - - Steve __________ The newspaper Roll Call reported that on June 12, a photo of Jeffords was placed in a urinal at the Capitol Hill Club, a popular Republican gathering spot. Several men "got a kick out of taking aim at the photo," the paper reported, before a club member removed it, "fearing it would be seen as yet another symbol of the party's alleged intolerance." - Charles Babington, Washington Post ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 10:38:10 -0500 From: "s.mary" Subject: Gormenghast/CTHD For those of us not privileged enough to have BBCAmerica or even the BBC, PBS is showing Gormenghast tonight and Thursday night - at least in New York. I would assume that PBS is showing it in other locations. Check your local listings. For the record, I loved "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" - I left the theatre feeling like I just sat through a gorgeous dream. I loved it for all the reasons Drew mentioned in an earlier email. And with all the talk about Zhang Ziyi and her looks, I must admit I thought the Mongol (?) guy that she fell in love with to be really good-looking. If you want more action check out the Jet Li movies (another cutie IMHO). s.M. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 13:12:55 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Rock and Roll Toilet http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1441468428 - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 13:18:29 -0500 From: JH3 Subject: Re: Crouching tie-rack, hidden drug-store > Right, it's off to HK Film Re-Education Camp for Natalie, Hedges, and Eb. > They will be given the Little Alex Treatment via continual viewing of The > Bride With White Hair. Well, you had to figure it was just a matter of time before the notorious "Gang of Three" with their dangerously counter-revolutionary message of "arty Kung-Fu movies bad, absurdly-dated blacksploitation comedies good" was brought to justice for their reactionary manipulation of the proletarian masses. I figure at the upcoming show trial, they'll get us all to denounce each other over the usual "Lost Highway - good Lynch or bad Lynch?" issue... > If treatment is successful, Time And Tide will be shown as a reward. You mean you don't get clocks *or* windows at these places? Harsh! John "still hairy" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 18:36:42 -0000 From: "Tigger Lily" Subject: Plucky pulling a cartload of long-limbed sausages Oh Stewart--love your fake works, both hink and numpkin sound like what they are/arent. As some of you "may" have noticed, theres something bout my brain which regularly portmanteaus words. I guess theres no chance of my ever getting my favorite "extravagate" (to exaggerate extravagently) into, oh say, a Collins Dictionary ;-). Auden was more interested in getting words he coined or picked up on early in his poetry into the OED as first use than in ever getting the Noble. I forget off-hand with what words achieved his ambition, but his fondest lexiographic dream was indeed gloriously realized. And what the Spanish policeman is doing is ... singing! - ------------ Hopstetter: >I can't wait to see the Klimt and Schiele paintings in person in >Austria, >or Guernica in Spain. Have never been to Austria so you've now set me drooling and dreaming, (thou MOMA in NY has a paltry few of each. Plus Ensor(incredible) and Munch(ditto), who I associate stylistically with the first two.) As for Guernica Ill never forget the first time I walked up the stairs at MOMA and was hit in the eye(no other expression will do) with it. Again, size mattered. It overwhelmed my field of vision. It was -all- I saw. And the B&W and semi-abstraction of it paradoxically made the horror of it all the more terrible and pitiful. It raised my pulse. And when youre in Spain dont forget the El Greco's(one of my favorites I inexplicably forgot to include yesterday), the Velesquez's and the Dali's. Or the old city in Barchelona or the... . Oh dear, Id better stop myself - -right- here:-). >I love to talk about art. And painting, in particular. As Im afraid you can see, so do I. When I was a kid my dad would play hide n seek with me in the Met in NY. I think it warped me for life;-). Do you play with visuals in anyway? Draw? Paint? Photograph? Sculpt(extra points if its with toothpast;-)? >I actually found them unbearably somber, depressing, and >morose; much like how Rothko himself seemed to be. Indeed, but I find if I go thru them, if I dive into them(meaning allow myself to trance out using them as a focal point), into the depths of the colors, there's an uncanny, unearthly light emanating out thru them(like the canvas behind the color, white as death.) Yes--thats a totally subjective, personal and undoubtedly weird take, but its why I love his stuff. There is a state beyond depression where things turn inside out(like the point in Time Bandits, after the head dwarf flicks his ashes all over Kevin and they all end up in the ocean in negative and have entered the land of fable.) For me Rothko's work is about vibrating at the brink of that state. Thats what, for me, makes his work great instead of just really good. >There are few things I love more than a big room filled with Barnett > >Newmans, Ad Reinhardts, Robert Motherwells, and Piet Mondrians You -have- been to MOMA, havent you:-)? - -------------- Jill: >(but I must admit to still loving Good Times, Bad Times). Shit girl, this is truelly getting weird. Plus that your Bday is almost exactly opposite mine. Hmmm-do you know what your moon and rising are?(sorry--but Im -such- an old hippie;-). >However, I remember when Face to Face >arrived. It was worth everything he'd spent on the junk. Our older bros were different thou both obviously had a salutary effect on our tastes. Mine exposed me to Laura Nero and the Stones. And my big sis, I still bless her Dylan obsession... So like Mahoney you use a chiropracter for your back. Hope it was a good adjustment. Im not quite you after all--I just use exercise and deepened sleep to manage my disc thingamajig . - ----- Ken--from your link: >Your Heartless Bitch Personality Test Results: >You are a Heartless Bitch. But you knew that already. Well, actually, Id say Im a sweet, loving, giving thing, just with attitude. YOU GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT ASSHOLE?;-)! Great site. Thanks. - ------- Gnat-- Condolances. - -------- Mahoney: >so far I have only seen repros of the Odd man, but I cant wait to see >him >live- even in repros his stuff is so powerful! Agreed. Plus its fascinating to watch a guy with a Messanic Complex. And I mean that in a good way. He has a vision. He dosnt care if its cool or acceptable. He's here to save art, dammit! And maybe its serious and maybe its a ploy but at least its intense. And you know--I'll take someone like him over 10 academic nabobs anyday. >my personal highlight will be going back to europe( someday) and >seeing >van gogh in amsterdam and munch in oslo.....cant wait! Oh--The Van Gogh Museum! Yes! Never made it to Oslo but not only love Munch, have also devoured books on Scandanavian art, specially turn-of-the century stuff. The stuff radiates this cold empty fierce light even in repro. Thanks for the Librarian Avenger link. Now--if I could just convince our director to buy me a Mrs Peel catsuit with Librarians Rule printed cross my chest Im sure I would find our patrons -so- much more ameniable;-). - ---------- Drew --thanks for pointing out bout the choreography of HTCD, forgot that in my post(and Jason too.) Ill muck myself out on a limb here--but go see O Brother(too bad you missed it on the big screen.) It actually had one of the same plusses as HTCD--great visuals which convey as much of the meaning as the plot or dialog. Think you and I may just be the resident asthetes of the list;-). - --------- Herbie: >I was talking with this woman >at work who said she took a class on icelandic Lit and >she mentioned a book called "THE TALE OF >NIEBELUNGLIED." She told me if I liked the Hobbit... As usual Ill talk out of my rogue librarian(sorta like a renegade timelord) hat instead of looking it up in books like good little librarians are supposed to. The Niebelungleied is the Song of the Ring, based on a cycle of Germanic pagan myths and later legends which fill much the same psychic territory as the Arthurian myths/legends do for the Brits. Like the Arthurian legends it is often retold, most famously in the Ring Cycle of Wagner. The whole thing involves Siegfried(also his dad),Brunhild(yup, another one of those warrior woman--and this one in a Valkeryie in a ring of fire whom Siegfied is foolish enough to fetch out for someone else(silly, stupid, tragic boy) Auberon(yes, related to our Oberon), King of the Dwarfs and sometimes guardien of the Rhine Horde. Also various scheming Gods, truelly villianous villians,and nice normal hapless boys and girls who usually get killed off unpleasently. Some of these myths/legends were shared with the Scandanavians who later carried them to Iceland where the were first written down. So the Icelandic Sagas(most famously the Eddas) were the first time Norse/Germanic pagan myth/legend was written down. But it was written down -after- the initial (thou often superficial) Christianization of the people in question. This all leaves scholars and enthusiasts with much to chew on. Simplistically put, Tolkein used his immense knowledge of the Germanic and Celtic mind-streams (aka philology) to create a myth for modern Brits. If you like the "feel" of Middle Earth you may like the "feel" of these earlier legends as well. Now Quail-please correct all the top-of-my-head inaccuracies:-) - ------ Eb: >I've never looked good in headdresses, myself. No, no no--I mean the practical, muted, but delicately embroidered mauve grey pants and top in the first scene. >(And we must have seen different cuts of the film, because I don't recall *any* ice-skating scenes.) I wish I didnt objectively appreciate good shots so much and I could get all snotty n sulky n personal about them but--damn it man-- that -was- a good shot :-). Ross: >Leaving aside Shakespeares & Miltons (couldn't it be Blake or Keats >or somebody, Milton was such a fucking authoritarian?) Fine by me. I was just relaying it as I first saw it presented. As a Milton type myself I rephrase it as a Whitman("I am vast. I contain multitudes") type. Whitman was wonderfully non-authoritarian and far far more lovable(plus I have major problems with Miltons Paradises. Ive never been able to get thru either since -everyone- in them is a dolt. Boring! The Odes and Comus and Samson are lyrical and cool but I wish Milton would have just left God alone.) >He's (Robyn's) just like me, only vastly more interesting. Funny, perfect comment. >I really enjoy the "Jimmy's Back Pages" CDs that collect his studio > >work--maybe he's best as a sideman. Ive heard of it but Ive never heard it. Should I? Have they done the same thing for John Paul Jones--like the Cat Stevens stuff? Kay--watching out for painted trees. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:01:12 -0000 From: "Tigger Lily" Subject: She wore a rasberry computer. OK you techies, I know my mini-digets are too long but computer sabatoge is - -really- going to far. And in a public library no less. Im sitting here, finishing my slightly longish screed and my computer farts at me. Really. This is no weird flashback, I have witnesses. It makes a noise which sounds like a longish, slightly wet fart. It stops, then in a minute or two it does it again. And again. Woj, Bayard, Ross, all you fiendish mac/linux guys--just tell me to write shorter posts. I know you all have immense powers of which I have no clue but really--- This is most ungentelmanlylike of you. Sniff, Im just a poor, meek, helpless, technically-hopeless female trying to amuse herself at work. Double sniff(and no --it -dosnt- smell!). Just because Im buying a PC... such cruelty. Actually--does anyone know what this is? Is one of -our- tech-support having some fun? Is it some sort of short? I dont know why--but I think this is hilarious. I mean--what do I do? Call down to tech support and tell them my computer is farting at me? Kay, and no, it is -NOT- me! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 13:35:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: remove ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jun 2001 16:57:52 Z From: "Blackman, Tony 1" Subject: Probably mentioned already... ...but if it was I must've missed it. Spotted Andy Metcalfe at No. 52 and Matthew Seligman at No. 74 in the "100 Bass Players of Rock" For comparison, Bill Wyman just makes it in at No. 100. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21st century air travel http://www.britishairways.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 13:57:59 -0700 From: Eb Subject: re: remove attempt #2 Quoting from sacred Feglist scripture... If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, send the following command in email to "fegmaniax-request@smoe.org": unsubscribe Or you can send mail to "majordomo@smoe.org" with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe fegmaniax [email address] Eb (can't say I blame him, given the list content of the past month or so) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:36:22 -0400 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: Probably mentioned already... of course, the list IS alphabetical... which explains Sid Viscious' appearance above Mike Watt. - -----Original Message----- From: Blackman, Tony 1 [mailto:Tony.1.Blackman@BritishAirways.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 12:58 PM To: fegmaniax Subject: Probably mentioned already... ...but if it was I must've missed it. Spotted Andy Metcalfe at No. 52 and Matthew Seligman at No. 74 in the "100 Bass Players of Rock" For comparison, Bill Wyman just makes it in at No. 100. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------------- 21st century air travel http://www.britishairways.com ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. 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On Wed, 27 Jun 2001, Eb wrote: > Quoting from sacred Feglist scripture... > > If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, send the > following command in email to > "fegmaniax-request@smoe.org": unsubscribe > > Or you can send mail to "majordomo@smoe.org" with the following command in > the body of your email message: unsubscribe fegmaniax [email address] > > > Eb (can't say I blame him, given the list content of the past month or so) > ***************************************************************************** There is no question that there is an unseen world. The problem is, how far is it from midtown and how late is it open? - -Woody Allen, Examining Psychic Phenomena ***************************************************************************** Stephen Mahoney Multnomah County Library at Rockwood branch clerk stephenm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us 503-988-5396 fax 503-988-5178 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:23:00 -0500 From: JH3 Subject: Can't believe Eb didn't warn us about this As I type this, A&E is airing yet another 1-hour documentary (it's their "City Confidential" series, actually) on the Claudine Longet/Spider Sabich story, called "Aspen: Murder on the Slopes." I wouldn't have noticed, but Comedy Central isn't coming in so well at the moment... John H. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #258 ********************************