From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #257 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, June 26 2001 Volume 10 : Number 257 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: more fun with dictionaries ["Stewart C. Russell" ] now the darkness hides... [Jill Brand ] RE: catching up [Ken Ostrander ] Crouching mammal, hidden mythical animal [gnat@shaft.bitmine.net] offtopic question for you 'merkans [Bret Bolton ] Re: Feglowship [Stephen Mahoney ] RE: catching up ["brian nupp" ] Re: Rockin' Duck [Stephen Mahoney ] RE: catching up [Ken Ostrander ] cthd ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: offtopic question for you 'merkans [JH3 ] Re: cthd [Stephen Mahoney ] Aroint ye Dord! ["Tigger Lily" ] thwart not the librarian! [Stephen Mahoney ] Re: Crouching Tigger, Hidden Puff ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: Crouching Archie, Hidden Edith [Eb ] i went back in digests/there was cave-in/trapped/must communicate ["miste] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 15:56:17 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: more fun with dictionaries bayard wrote: > > http://www.snopes2.com/language/mistakes/dord.htm Ah, it's good to revisit this old friend. But the way I'd heard it documented, it appeared in the first printing of the OED -- could Webster's have been the plagiarists? Real fake words that have appeared in dictionaries I know of: hink -- a vague feeling somewhere between hope and think numpkin -- stupid person (This is in the Collins-Robert 5th edition English<->French dictionary, oops). Some people claim these words are put in deliberately to catch plagiarists. Others claim they're just a lexicographer's mistake. I wouldn't dare to comment, but the erm, unusual expression "what the policeman are you doing?" may have appeared in the first edition of the Collins Spanish dictionary, and by complete coincidence appeared in a very well-respected Catalan dictionary. Like a pig pulling a cartload of sausages, I leave you to draw your own conclusion. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 08:03:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Feglowship > From: "Tigger Lily" > Subject: Feglowship > > As for painters, I agree bout Rothko and Pollock being much less > heart-thumping in reproduction. Not only do repros belittle them, repros > also loose the glow. All most all repros mess up the depths of the color, > which is why neither books nor the Net will ever replace museums. I will go out of my way to see a painting in person. I also have favorite paintings across the country which I love to visit when I'm in their particular towns. F'rinstance, the huge Odd Nerdrum canvas, "Five People Around a Water Hole" in the New Orleans Museum of Art. I don't go to N.O. without visiting that painting. I can't wait to see the Klimt and Schiele paintings in person in Austria, or Guernica in Spain. > Actually its interesting, for all the off-topic stuff we do, we dont really > do art much. Tragic. I love to talk about art. And painting, in particular. > From: "victorian squid" > > You're right and it really really diminishes the subtle, meditative layerings of color. > They're fascinating up close but reproductions don't really catch them. I guess it's to > do with having to shrink the things so egregiously. Anyone who's never seen one in Real > Life (tm), they really -don't- look like boring blotchy bars of paint the way they often do > in the pictures. In college, I had a roommate who had his walls plastered with Rothko art posters, and I had done a good amount of reading about him. But it wasn't until I saw them in person that I was truly affected by them. I actually found them unbearably somber, depressing, and morose; much like how Rothko himself seemed to be. Wham-o, successful painting! There are few things I love more than a big room filled with Barnett Newmans, Ad Reinhardts, Robert Motherwells, and Piet Mondrians. Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:16:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: now the darkness hides... Steve wrote: "What about Beautiful Daughter or Chinatown? [by the Move]" Oh my God, how could I have failed to mention Beautiful Daughter? It contains one of my favorite crying-jag lines - "Now the darkness hides the tears that soaked the pillow where she lay." I don't know Chinatown. Why is that? Kay is still frightening me into thinking we are the same person. I, too, never liked the Dead at all and thought the Doors were overrated. I liked the first Led Zep album a lot when my brother got it from England wrapped in brown paper. I think I liked it because he liked it (but I must admit to still loving Good Times, Bad Times). He had ordered it simply because of Jimmy Page. Back in those days, he would send a handwritten letter to some exporter in the UK along with an international money order to get British records. Sometimes the titles sounded interesting, but the content was horrific. I remember when Release Me by Engelbert Humperdinck arrived. I thought my brother would have a cow thinking of the amount of money he had wasted on that. However, I remember when Face to Face arrived. It was worth everything he'd spent on the junk. Jill, off to the chiro ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:31:55 -0400 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: RE: catching up >>>In November 1999, the Boston Rock Opera staged the Pretty Things' >>>SF Sorrow and did a wonderful job. > >>There's a fairly recent remake of SF Sorrow with David Gilmour on guitar > > I just picked up SF Sorrow in the imported stereo version on cd from >amazon.com and it's great. i really dig the sf seals cover on 'truth walks in sleepy shadows'. my ears are still ringing from the air show on sunday night. whoddathunk that they would rock so hard? it was like pink floyd meets kraftwerk. i thought that their new material was a bit of a departure from the strictly mellow grooves of _moon safari_. on stage 'radio #1' had all the ingredients of a hit single; but when i heard the studio version later on a sampler disk that was being given away at the door, it didn't have the same magic. has anyone heard the new album? ken "heartless bitch" the kenster http://www.heartless-bitches.com/rants/personality.shtml np cordelia's dad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 08:45:47 -0700 (PDT) From: gnat@shaft.bitmine.net Subject: Crouching mammal, hidden mythical animal I too was somewhat disappointed by "Crouching Tiger"... It just seemed kinda hollow somehow, like everyone was going through the motions. Not enough kung fu action, not enough Chow Yun-Fat! (Jeez, he hardly did anything in the film besides look pained and stoic.) Screw the love story, I want ass-kickin'! The young girl and Michelle Yeoh (who is radiantly beautiful) were good in their roles, but it never really came together. I liked the desert sequence the best. It just made me want to see more Jackie Chan films, or failing that, "Hard Boiled" for the third time. n., professional philistine RIP: Aleister, the best cat in the world. :((( ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:56:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Bret Bolton Subject: offtopic question for you 'merkans Is anyone in the states looking into XMradio (or the other one)? they changed their site this week and included a full channel list ( http://www.xmradio.com/programming/full_channel_listing.jsp?sort=number ) just wondering if I'm the only person here sitting around waiting for this to fire up. (radio is painfuly bad here, but I would love the chance to pick up these stations {bbc and cspan rdio don't hurt either}, to get a chence to hear new stuff) Or, is this just a nerd toy? - -b ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 09:30:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: Feglowship On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Eugene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > > From: "Tigger Lily" > > Subject: Feglowship > > > > As for painters, I agree bout Rothko and Pollock being much less > > heart-thumping in reproduction. Not only do repros belittle them, repros > > also loose the glow. All most all repros mess up the depths of the color, > > which is why neither books nor the Net will ever replace museums. > > I will go out of my way to see a painting in person. I also have favorite paintings across the > country which I love to visit when I'm in their particular towns. F'rinstance, the huge Odd Nerdrum canvas, "Five People Around a Water Hole" in the New Orleans Museum of Art. I don't go to N.O. without visiting that painting. so far I have only seen repros of the Odd man, but I cant wait to see him live- even in repros his stuff is so powerful! > I can't wait to see the Klimt and Schiele paintings in person in Austria, or Guernica in Spain. my personal highlight will be going back to europe( someday) and seeing van gogh in amsterdam and munch in oslo.....cant wait! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 12:54:53 -0400 From: "brian nupp" Subject: RE: catching up >my ears are still ringing from the air show on sunday night. whoddathunk >that >they would rock so hard? it was like pink floyd meets kraftwerk. i >thought >that their new material was a bit of a departure from the strictly mellow >grooves of _moon safari_. on stage 'radio #1' had all the ingredients of a >hit >single; but when i heard the studio version later on a sampler disk that >was >being given away at the door, it didn't have the same magic. has anyone >heard >the new album? > > > >ken "heartless bitch" the kenster >np cordelia's dad I'm going to see Air Saturday in Chicago. I haven't heard the new album yet, but am a big fan of Moon Safari. Good to know they are giving away freebees at the door. I'm thinking of recording this show. How was security? Nuppy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:29:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: Rockin' Duck On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, Eclipse wrote: > > >PS Now, who were they? I was Neil Innes, M was Roger McGough, M was Mike > > >McGear, R was Andy Roberts, G was John Gorman, but who was S? > > > > Norman Smedles? > > Alan Smithee? mr. Smithers? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 13:44:00 -0400 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: RE: catching up >>my ears are still ringing from the air show on sunday night. > >I'm going to see Air Saturday in Chicago. I haven't heard the new album yet, >but am a big fan of Moon Safari. Good to know they are giving away freebees >at the door. I'm thinking of recording this show. How was security? security will vary from place to place; but my bag wasn't searched and there was someone in the crowd in front of me filming part of the show. surreptitiously, of course. i actually got three free cd's at this show: an astralwerks sampler, a source label sampler, and a sampler ("makeout music") from local label big wheel recreation. at one point during the show, it looked as if the band was going to throw some cd's into the crowd. i was lucky enough to escape the rainstorm that started as soon as the doors opened; but when someone in the crowd requested 'kelly watch the stars', but nicolas said that it was too cloudy outside. there were five people on stage with everyone except the drummer trading instruments. you can ask yourself how many keyboards does one band need; but the sound was so full and lush that it must be worth it. ken "it's icelandic to me" the kenster np agaetis byrjun sigur ros ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:51:21 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: cthd >From: Eb > >I finally saw "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" over the weekend. I'm sure >this was better viewed on the big screen, but boy, I sure don't see any >reason to worship this film. Here are a few of the reasons I loved it: 1) Cinematography. Intensely beautiful. 2) Sound. Lovely soundtrack. The subtlety of sound during the fight scene -- that is, the notable lack of annoying dramatic music or wisecracks or (overly) exaggerated sound FX really established a (quasi-) realistic atmosphere and a wonderful mood. 3) Acting. I focus perhaps too much on vocals in acting, so it probably helped that I don't speak Chinese and couldn't say much about the delivery. But I can't recall a weak performance. 4) Choreography. This is also how I classify the "special effects." 5) Competition. Not that many movies out there right now that are on the same level. I haven't seen _Oh, Brother, Where Art Thou?_ yet, but given my mixed reaction to most Coen Brothers movies I don't expect to be thrilled to tears. >I simply was never drawn into the story, on >any level. I can understand that, though I didn't feel the same way... From: "JH3" >I mean, basically it's about a >bratty, spoiled rich girl with virtually no redeeming qualities >whatsoever, who causes the death of a nice guy who tries to >help her. ...and while I sympathize with this viewpoint, I think it's (perhaps intentionally) simplistic. Yes, she's bratty and rich and spoiled, but she's also stuck in a situation she can't buy her way out of, unlike most bratty spoiled rich girls today. Early on we establish that Michelle Yeoh's character was once/ still is in a situation that echoes this, and of course you have Jade Fox striving hard to achieve something her sex essentially prevents her from reaching. I thought the story could have been taken further, but as an exploration of female roles, responsibilities, options, ambitions, and frustrations in a semi-mythical world, I thought it was pretty rich and interesting. There were other characters in the movie besides Xiaolou and Li Mu Bai. I don't have much exposure to kung fu films, though, so I might be overreacting to this one. >From: "Tigger Lily" >Am I the only one here whose musical tastes aren't always entirely based on >the music? Absolutely not! Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 12:50:17 -0500 From: JH3 Subject: Re: offtopic question for you 'merkans > Is anyone in the states looking into XMradio (or the other one)? ... > just wondering if I'm the only person here sitting around waiting for this > to fire up. (radio is painfuly bad here, but I would love the chance to > pick up these stations {bbc and cspan rdio don't hurt either}, to get a > chence to hear new stuff) Wow, they build a fancy-ass web site and never ONCE mention that there's a $10-per-month service fee! (Assuming they haven't raised it since I first heard about it...) Not that I mind service fees, if it means no commercials. But there's no guarantee that there will *always* be no commercials. Finally, my experience with satellite TV suggests that line-of-sight ground receiver units in a car would just be an exercise in frustration. My DirecTV dish can't get a signal through a few leaves on a nearby tree, so what's going to happen when I drive my XM-equipped car through a tunnel, or even a densely-wooded area? Unless there's a handy repeater-transmitter nearby... but ooops! I'm in a poor, isolated rural area! We're always the LAST to get things like that! (Not that we'd want them, if it means more unsightly metal towers dotting the landscape.) So yes, I'm quite skeptical. > Or, is this just a nerd toy? I don't see it that way... I think it *would* be a real boon for people living in underserved rural areas, but see above. If you're in a big city, you've already got access to lots of stations, so what would be the point? But that's where the money is, so that's where the money goes. Money, money, money. I feel a song coming on... John "snap, crackle, pop" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:39:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: cthd On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > 5) Competition. Not that many movies out there right now > that are on the same level. I haven't seen _Oh, Brother, > Where Art Thou?_ yet, but given my mixed reaction to most > Coen Brothers movies I don't expect to be thrilled to tears. I have to say I love even the uneven coen brothers films but o brother is not one of them....it was also an added delight to see a film in english with foreign subtitles...saw it during my brief 7 day honeymoon in Paris. Hard to top that experience in movie viewing! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 19:40:54 -0000 From: "Tigger Lily" Subject: Aroint ye Dord! Eb on Cthulhu Trolling, Hellebore Dancing: >but boy, I sure don't see any reason to worship this film. I simply >was >never drawn into the story, For me what made the movie was its dramatic visual style and the mythopoetic quality of the telling of the fable(its not a story, its a fable .) Plus there -was- the glorious Michelle Qwon( I -so- want her costume from the beginning of the movie, thou thats really not the sort of nuance I expect to sway you Eb;-). Susan: >Like Simon and Garfunkel. I can't help it. I do like some of their >songs, >but taken as a whole S&G make me think of overly earnest youth >pastors who >really want to -relate-. Funny and sooo true. I can hear the folk mass now ;-). And Lord did I crack up in "Almost Famous" when the sister earnestly, fautiously plays "America" to the mom. But I like Simon's melencholy, enigmatic stuff and (ouch! I know I could get hurt for this) "Graceland" -- I think he's better than he's ever gotten credit for from the hipper-than-thous(or maybe he was just doomed that way from the start thanks to those early Dylan put-downs.) The thing is, he is terminally unhip: too earnest, too timid, often too obvious, too adored by the mainstream, too well-meaning to get much alternative respect. Still dont really know what"Peace Like a River" means, but I know I love it. And even thou James explained "Only Living Boy in NY" I still listen to it for its floaty, open quality. And someday I -vill- find my Holy Vinyl Grail--Art Garfunckle singing Jimmy Webb. >The thing about feg is, no one will ever let you get away with > >oversimplifying:). Yes--and thats why we stick around :-). >if LZ had a different kind of rhythm section (like, >say, one with Charlie Watts in it :)) I'd probably be a lot less >annoyed >by them. Ahhh-nice leg-pull there girl. You may know perfectly well that while Watts is perfection with the Stones Zep wouldnt probobly have have had a clue bout what to do with him. I mean, I think the old jazz-head sometimes uses brushes. Brushes for Christsake -- behind Plant's bellowing !?! No, Bothom was their perfect beast, a point -proved- by the fact that you find him so repugnent;-). Ken, I aint seriously touchin your --what is art-- question with a 10-foot long Situationalist, but I will say this much: its like porn--I know it when I experience it:-). >I almost choked on that one. yo ho ho! And an extra-large bottle of rum . Thanks, glad you enjoyed it. Kay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 13:07:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: thwart not the librarian! http://www.librarianavengers.com/library.html - -mahoney ***************************************************************************** There is no question that there is an unseen world. The problem is, how far is it from midtown and how late is it open? - -Woody Allen, Examining Psychic Phenomena ***************************************************************************** Stephen Mahoney Multnomah County Library at Rockwood branch clerk stephenm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us 503-988-5396 fax 503-988-5178 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 13:10:29 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Crouching Tigger, Hidden Puff At 12:49 PM 6/25/01 -0700, Eb wrote: >I finally saw "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" over the weekend. I'm sure >this was better viewed on the big screen, but boy, I sure don't see any >reason to worship this film. I simply was never drawn into the story, on >any level. As far as I'm concerned, the only notable achievements here are >the flying effects and the rare creation of a female-centric karate film. The flying effects weren't really that much of an achievement - they're fairly common in the Chinese martial arts genre. In fact, Ang Lee brought in a crew of special effects experts from Hong Kong who were already well-versed and quite experienced in the techniques necessary to pull them off. I'm pretty sure I've seen Michele Yeoh flying around in a kung fu movie before. The real achievement, I think, as far as "Crouching Tiger" is concerned, was in how beautifully they were executed and filmed. I don't know if I'd worship the film, either, but I did like it lot. Chow Yun Fat was a little stiff, possibly because he's uncomfortable speaking Mandarin from what I understand. I'd worship Ziyi Zhang, though. I think I already do. Supposedly, she's going to be in the next Wong Kar Wai movie, "2046," with Faye Wong. Hubba hubba. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 16:27:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Bret Bolton Subject: XMRadio (or... what are the chances of this actually working?) Wow, they build a fancy-ass web site and never ONCE mention that there's a $10-per-month service fee! (Assuming they haven't raised it since I first heard about it...) Well, it is still 10 bux (as stated in several placs on the page) Not that I mind service fees, if it means no commercials. But there's no guarantee that there will *always* be no commercials. Actually I beleive some of the news channels will have some commercials (probably come with the feed, much like 50% of syndicated radio shows now) but they state that it will be 6 minutes an hour (as compared to 20 minutes ACK! now) Finally, my experience with satellite TV suggests that line-of-sight ground receiver units in a car would just be an exercise in frustration. My DirecTV dish can't get a signal through a few leaves on a nearby tree, so what's going to happen when I drive my XM-equipped car through a tunnel, or even a densely-wooded area? Unless there's a handy repeater-transmitter nearby... but ooops! I'm in a poor, isolated rural area! We're always the LAST to get things like that! (Not that we'd want them, if it means more unsightly metal towers dotting the landscape.) It is (obviously) a different technology than from DBS ( mine works fine until it rains) and there may be some problems (but I'll wait to see them firsthand before I complain *too* much). The facts that there are 2 birds broadcasting the same data (either one could cover the US) and the antenna are non-directional helps conciderably. I don't see it that way... I think it *would* be a real boon for people living in underserved rural areas, but see above. If you're in a big city, you've already got access to lots of stations, so what would be the point? But that's where the money is, so that's where the money goes. Money, money, money. I feel a song coming on... I do live is a big city (I guess, a top 10 market) and radio here is as bad as tv. (thus why I use DBS) Not tht I depend on radio for music (obviously) but I would love to have it introduce me to new music (which specialty shows are capable of now, but nothing else). I'm just exited about *ANY* new audio broadcast source available to me (plus now that BBC is gone byebye from shortwave) and an entire 24/7 station devoted to unsigned artist (with artist/song name appearing in the dash of my car) Bret (for once an optimist) Bolton ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 14:38:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Librarian Quest Hey all! I know we have the largest percentage of librarians of ANY list (even the United Librarian Front) or so I am told :) Quick question, about an obscure book (or so I think it is obscure). I was talking with this woman at work who said she took a class on icelandic Lit and she mentioned a book called "THE TALE OF NIEBELUNGLIED." She told me if I liked the Hobbit I would like this one too. Any help? Is that the correct speeling? Anyone else ever hear of it? Curious. Herbie np - Weezer "The Green Album" HASHPIPE Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 14:41:37 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Crouching Archie, Hidden Edith Kay: >Plus there -was- the glorious Michelle Qwon( I -so- want her costume from the >beginning of the movie, thou thats really not the sort of nuance I expect to >sway you Eb;-). I've never looked good in headdresses, myself. (And we must have seen different cuts of the film, because I don't recall *any* ice-skating scenes.) gnat: >not enough Chow Yun-Fat! (Jeez, he hardly did >anything in the film besides look pained and stoic.) Oh god, yes. Too true. - --- I listened to the Minus 5 album again, last night. This really is a fine disc. Damn, I never would've predicted I'd like it much better than the new YFF or REM albums! Something resembling my mid-year top 10: 1 Nick Cave/No More Shall We Part 2 Foetus/Flow 3 The Ladybug Transistor/Argyle Heir 4 Of Montreal/Coquelicot Asleep in the Poppies 5 Quasi/The Sword of God 6 The Minus 5/Let the War Against Music Begin 7 Stephen Malkmus/same 8 Kristin Hersh/Sunny Border Blue 9 Mouse on Mars/Idiology 10 Guided by Voices/Isolation Drills (or perhaps David Thomas & Two Pale Boys/Surf's Up) If this year was a horse race, Nick Cave would be leading by six lengths. (And jeez, where are the other good major-label albums?) Big disappointments: Rufus Wainwright, R.E.M., the Minders, Weezer, the Blake Babies. Great but "ineligible": demo compilations by both XTC and Jason Falkner. Currently most looking forward to: new Spiritualized and Bjork. I was intrigued by that "Vinyl" documentary which was mentioned...I did a brief websearch and came up with an informative link: http://www.iprimus.ca/~cancult/vinyl.html Eb np: Earthlink rate increase ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 18:03:41 -0400 From: "mister inconsistency" Subject: i went back in digests/there was cave-in/trapped/must communicate I was out of town and Eudoramail is down. Blech. I've still got a bad taste in my mouth from Hootmail's terms of use & subscription options. vaguely Nuggets II-- I've printed out Mr. Godwin's comments for use in further researches. Don't totally agree w/ him, but they seem useful. "Psychedelia at Abbey Road" is 1 disk w/ many of these groups. Again, a mixed bag, but very well recorded. I would posit that after Procol Harum, Family is the most underrated excellent British prog group. And the hardest to search for by name on Amazon. I've spent time browsing such groups at the online version of Vernon Joynson's Tapestry of Delights, - --don't always agree w/ him either, but tons of info, here-- http://www.borderlinebooks.com/uk6070s/tapestry.html Led Welshman-- Also a Cale fan, I don't think anyone mentioned Carribean Sunset, which has some great tracks such as The Hunt. Sadly, OOP. Leaving aside Shakespeares & Miltons (couldn't it be Blake or Keats or somebody, Milton was such a fucking authoritarian?), I feel a factor in Robyn v. Cale is that we are much more aware of everything going on w/ RH. He's so accessable. For a performer, he seems close to being an introvert, the sort of guy who'd want to keep things simple cause he finds it a strain to closely monitor a complex onstage situation -- at least while being spontaneous. "This is Prawns. No, it isn't because I haven't tuned down yet!" I mean he's not Janet Jackson. I find it great for relating to him because I can feel the differences are just ones of scale. He's just like me, only vastly more interesting. He gets lost going to a gig in a new city in a foreign country; I get lost going to a gig in my home town. Similar, just a difference in scale. I thought maybe some of this was getting worked out in the Grant & Robyn show, but I'm not sure. Again, similar to Jonathan Richman, who seems to get antsy about working w/ any band since that restricts his spontaneitiety. Thor-- The Immigrant Song does work well as backing track for "George of the Jungle," particularly if you go into one last "aaahhh/Bali-hai" bit and then WATCH OUT FOR THAT TREE! As a guitarist, I think Page is dramatic, melodic, innovative, right up there w/ Jeff Beck or Hendrix. I really enjoy the "Jimmy's Back Pages" CDs that collect his studio work--maybe he's best as a sideman. Can't imagine what they'd have been like if Terry Reid had agreed to sing for them, but better anyway. I sorta ignored LZ thru the 60s/70s. Then w/ new wave I realized punk stuff is simple, maybe I *can* be in a band--so I started paying attention to guitar again, which included going back guitar heros, which included bashfully buying (used) Led Zep i'd missed the 1st time around. Incidentally I wonder how much you can take the "Grimsby--oh Christ" line at face value. After all, he rants at David Byrne in Freeze, but hasn't he been spotted with him? And when I first heard Viva Sea-Tac I thought it was the nastiest carpet-bombing the place had got since John Lydon's "Don't like the looks of this old town/ what goes up must come down ..." Ross Taylor The Parachute CD has cool extras I couldn't make sense of the SF Sorrow story written out in the album _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #257 ********************************