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fegmaniax-digest        Tuesday, June 26 2001        Volume 10 : Number 256



                               Today's Subjects:
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  Feelm                                         [Eb <ElBroome@earthlink.net>]
  Re: Feelm                                           ["JH3" <jh3@winco.net>]
  Feglowship                     ["Tigger Lily" <theyarenotlong@hotmail.com>]
  Re: Dragging Titgear, Hidden Crotch           [Eb <ElBroome@earthlink.net>]
  Re: Feelm                                     [Glen Uber <uberg@sonic.net>]
  Headline of the day (60% porno content)  [Tom Clark <tclark@reardensteel.c]
  Re: Dragging Titgear, Hidden Crotch           [Glen Uber <uberg@sonic.net>]
  Re: Feelm                             [Tom Clark <tclark@reardensteel.com>]
  more fun with dictionaries                    [bayard <bayard@bitmine.net>]
  Re: Feelm                                     [Eb <ElBroome@earthlink.net>]
  Re: Feelm                       ["Maximilian Lang" <maximlang@hotmail.com>]
  Re: Feglowship                 ["victorian squid" <v.squid@eudoramail.com>]
  Re: Rockin' Duck                                           [Robcow@aol.com]
  Re: Feglowship                            [Ken Ostrander <kenster@MIT.EDU>]
  Re: Feelm                                    [steve <steveschiavo@mac.com>]
  Re: catching up                              [steve <steveschiavo@mac.com>]
  Re: Feelm                                     [Eb <ElBroome@earthlink.net>]
  Re: Rockin' Duck                               [Eclipse <eclipse@best.com>]
  Re: Rockin' Duck                     [Michael R Godwin <hssmrg@bath.ac.uk>]
  Re: catching up                       [John McIntyre <mcintyre@pa.msu.edu>]
  RE: catching up    ["Bachman, Michael" <Michael.Bachman@fanucrobotics.com>]

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Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 12:49:10 -0700
From: Eb <ElBroome@earthlink.net>
Subject: Feelm

I finally saw "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" over the weekend. I'm sure
this was better viewed on the big screen, but boy, I sure don't see any
reason to worship this film. I simply was never drawn into the story, on
any level. As far as I'm concerned, the only notable achievements here are
the flying effects and the rare creation of a female-centric karate film.
Otherwise, blah. During the big death scene, I felt absolutely nothing.

I also saw an old Altman film, "California Split," and I enjoyed that more,
despite its relative lack of acclaim.

Eb

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Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 15:04:43 -0500
From: "JH3" <jh3@winco.net>
Subject: Re: Feelm

> I finally saw "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" over the
> weekend. I'm sure this was better viewed on the big screen,
> but boy, I sure don't see any reason to worship this film.

Worshipers get big discounts at the Crouching Tiger, Hidden
Dragon gift shop, I've heard...

>During the big death scene, I felt absolutely nothing.

I felt a strange itching in my posterior area, but luckily it went
away. Otherwise, I have to agree with Eb here - as a story, that
movie was seriously overrated. I mean, basically it's about a
bratty, spoiled rich girl with virtually no redeeming qualities
whatsoever, who causes the death of a nice guy who tries to
help her. OK, so nice guys finish last. Like we don't know that
already? Hell, she's practically the only one who survives the
movie!

And where were the car crashes? I didn't see a single one...

John "crouching wiemaraner, hidden hamster" Hedges

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Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 21:00:08 -0000
From: "Tigger Lily" <theyarenotlong@hotmail.com>
Subject: Feglowship

Chris:
>Definition of "wrong operating system": any system made by the >Microsoft 
>Corporation of Redmond, WA.

I think you Mac guys are having a sublimanl critical mass effect on me. I 
actually found myself using a metaphor bout operating systems as the 
equivalent of people's ethical/empathetic/asthetic compass, and Mac stood 
for the decent and Microsoft for the bent.
If I ever get my own computer which dosnt have to integrate easily into my 
husband's work network ... all this conditioning will probobly have 
worked;-).

Capuchin:
>the other people here... in the trailer park.
>Viv pointed out a song in a resale shop last year and actually got >mad at 
>me for not knowing it was Led Zeppelin.  I think I'm more >distrubed with 
>her knowing it.
>Then again, I also know nothing by The Who, The Beatles, or, uh... >The 
>Kinks... or the Rolling Stones.
>I've heard some John Lennon and I think he's pretty bland.  I'd >rather 
>hear Robyn.
>Oh, and I think Mr. Kennedy could just as well be a Glen Frey song.

All hands on deck. All hands on deck. Capuchins in trolling mode.


Mike on Susan, to which Susan agreed:
>I guess you must have been the unwilling victim of a million youngmen
>trying to convince you that you're totally wrong..! Hence the >rancour...

Intresting, some of the violence of your dislike of Zep is partially cause 
of the idiots who impinged on your space with it--which I can understand.

For me, growing up in a neighborhood about as diametrically opposed to a 
trailer-park as there is--Zep was a grand rebellion. No one I knew listened 
to them--they were just -not- proper smart feminist preppie music. So 
obviously I reveled in their vulgarity(I have -always- reveled in rock's 
vulgarity:-) The same part of me which veared out of expected listening 
habits to find and enjoy Nick Drake was in some ways the same part which 
found Zep. It was partially a facination with what's different, partally an 
epater les intellectuals.
To this day I have a hard time with The Doors and The Dead--partly cause I 
was -supposed- to like them. How much of my distaste was just pure 
contrariness I still can not quite sort out. There is stuff by both bands I 
like; there is stuff by Zep I dislike, yet I will tell you I dislike the 
former and like the latter???
Not very logical at -all-;-0.
Am I the only one here whose musical tastes aren't always entirely based on 
the music? For me--the person who introduced me to it, the setting and 
general mileu around it, reaction against the marketing stategy behind it, 
personal funk at the time--all these can influence my taste for good or ill 
and have nothing to do with the actual merits of the band.

Susan:
>I like Manzarek a lot. It's Morrison I can't deal with.

Heh, heh. Gooood point. On a whole, guys seem to like Morrison more than 
females. The first posturing male frontman without a sense of humor bout 
himself. Yup, Jim Morrison, the man who made rock safe for Robert Plant! 
(and yes, I probobly -deserve- to be flamed for -that- 
over-simplification;-)

Eb--
Agree with you about "Share The Land"  by the Guess Who. Know I -shouldnt-, 
which of course just makes me like it more.

James:
>Art is objective. The appreciation of art is subjective.
>I judge art on its
>ability to change or enhance the way I think about things, my mood, >or my 
>view of reality.

Interesting and helpful protocal. Robyn hits all 3 in spades but Zep is only 
mood music for for some moods for me(thou quite effective at that.) It gives 
a rational criteria for my intuitive remark that for me Zep fits a smaller 
niche than Robyn.
As for painters, I agree bout Rothko and Pollock being much less 
heart-thumping in reproduction. Not only do repros belittle them, repros 
also loose the glow.  All most all repros mess up the depths of the color, 
which is why neither books nor the Net will ever replace museums.
I actually get buzzed on Rubens, Whistler, most Northern Ren. portraits for 
their psychological jolt(especially Holbein's Sir Thomas Moore), Turner, 
Siseley, Pissarro, Ingres, Leonardo, 15th cent Flemish illuminated 
manuscripts, Titian, Palmer, and big big favorite--Claude de Lorrain.
Ach! --will stop here:-)
Actually its interesting, for all the off-topic stuff we do, we dont really 
do art much. Which considering we would be abit !on-topic! if we did--since 
our raison d'etre has messed-up a few canvases in his day-- is unusual. 
Especially since most of us are pretty cultury vultury in general.

Ben:
>Why is it cool for the Rolling Stones to make
>sexist music but not Led Zeppelin?

Its not "cool" for either--
I agree with everything Susan and Jill said.

There's an old Christian saw--"love the sinner, hate the sin." Since Im not 
up to sainthood yet(errr, can you guess?;-)I cant say its something I always 
live up to --but I do think its something to aim for in general.
In music--hate the poisenous opinions, but judge the music for itself. Both 
the Stones and Zep have made some great rock n roll(imnho;-) If being sexist 
pigs(and dont forget almost all the blues guys too) gets them to the point 
of making great music, well --maybe its worth it to me to see past the 
sexism. Such music is witness to what human beings -can- experience. Not 
what we "should" experience. And frankly, do artists tend to produce good 
music from "shoulds"? Not really, its the transgressive which usually 
supplies far more juice;-).

Thanks everyone for the NMH info, pro and con:-).

Ma Honey:
>For myself, being moved emotionally is more
>important than being stimulated intellectualy by a work >art...however, 
>your results may vary!

Ahh, but what about when the hairs rise up on the back of your neck cause 
soul, mind, heart and body are all being reached at once so that there is no 
division between them. That to me is greatness--when you find a work that 
seems bigger, deeper, simpler -and- more complex than you had previously 
imagined, thought, felt or found possible. Eureka.

More Mahoney:
>the stones
>whose good looks appeal to the ladies! :)
Oh yeah, especially Keith in his latter years;-P(thou I will admit 
that--somewhere between when his acne finially cleared up and the smack and 
alchohl first began to took its toll--there were some mighty fine weeks 
there;-).

Happy Bday all you late summery solistice Fegs from a late wintry solistice 
Feg.

Jill:
>Travis is my guilty pleasure.
If in the right mood, mine too. Its alright for us middle-age fudy-dudys to 
like occasioanl main-stream stuff;-).Perhas cause we're too old to feel any 
need to apologize for our pleasures anymore;-)

Heres another middle-age pleasure gone wrong, or right.

Mom-story. My 10-year wanted to buy a rock poster. The store didnt have her 
first few choices, so she offered up --the Dave Matthews Band-- with the 
smug look on her face of a kid just too too cool for words. I turned to her 
and said "Oh, have you been listening to my tapes?" The utterlly amazed, 
crestfallen, bewildered, aghast look on her face was priceless. And to make 
it worse her father, myself and the two tattooed, poly-pierced sales-clerks 
broke up in laughter.
I think she is now going to take out a contract out on my life.

The Who Sell Out is indeed mucho fantastic.
And live in their prime they were unbelievably amazing.

Eb:
>but Zeppelin also never did anything as bad as Face Dances or
>It's Hard...
Right. If only the Who had broken up right after Moon died we wouldn't even 
be debating Who vr Zep. And I easily forgive Townsend the pompous ego stuff 
cause, well -- thats an area where -I- aint throwin the first stone;-)

Branscombe:
Thanks for clearing up your location.
>The onomastics I mentioned in relation to Wilde and Robyn's work is >the 
>'science' of proper nouns.
As in Bunburying I presume. Thanks. My new word for the week.

Godwin on Page:
>Well, he always wanted to meet Aleister Crowley!
But wait, Id heard he already had ;-)
More Godwin:
>Did you see Neil Innes appear briefly in an insurance commercial >recently?
Shit.

Kay, wishing she could draw like Rockwell so she could paint like Sage.






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Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 14:24:20 -0700
From: Eb <ElBroome@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Dragging Titgear, Hidden Crotch

>I felt a strange itching in my posterior area, but luckily it went
>away. Otherwise, I have to agree with Eb here - as a story, that
>movie was seriously overrated.

I think the film's most durable legacy will be a hilarious onslaught of
Asian porn films with bad "Crouching Tiger" puns in their titles. Anyone
heard of any examples, already? ;)

This is certainly on the short list of the most easily parodied movie
titles ever, right up there with "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" (and
I'm not speaking purely in terms of porn). I'm blanking on other such
titles...hmm..."Stella Gets Her Groove Back" had potential, but the film
didn't become popular enough. Maybe "2001: A Space Odyssey"....

Eb

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Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 14:33:12 -0700
From: Glen Uber <uberg@sonic.net>
Subject: Re: Feelm

on 6/25/01 1:04 PM, JH3 hat geschrieben:
 
> John "crouching wiemaraner, hidden hamster" Hedges

When "Crouching Tiger" was playing at my local metroplex, I happened to
catch a glimpse of the marquee out of the corner of my eye while I sped past
the theater. The marquee was limited in its space available so a few of the
movie titles were truncated. In my haste, I put the titles of three movies
that were playing at the same time together in my mind and to this day they
remain that way. What makes this story funny is that the three titles, when
combined, are rendered as "Crouching Mexican, Hidden Snatch."

- -- 

Cheers!
- -g-

"You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline. It helps
if you have some kind of a football team, or some nuclear weapons, but at
the very least you need a beer." --Frank Zappa

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Glen Uber // Santa Rosa, California // uberg (at) sonic dot net

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Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 14:43:45 -0700
From: Tom Clark <tclark@reardensteel.com>
Subject: Headline of the day (60% porno content)

"Supreme Court Upholds Limits on Party Spending"

And I was going to have this HUGE bash this summer!

- -tc

Some fave porn titles:
"The Loin King"
"Glad He Ate Her"
"Snatch Adams"
"The Sopornos"
"Splendor in The Ass"

Fave porn name ever:
Craven Moorcock

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Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 14:47:56 -0700
From: Glen Uber <uberg@sonic.net>
Subject: Re: Dragging Titgear, Hidden Crotch

on 6/25/01 2:24 PM, Eb hat geschrieben:

> This is certainly on the short list of the most easily parodied movie
> titles ever, right up there with "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" (and
> I'm not speaking purely in terms of porn). I'm blanking on other such
> titles...hmm..."Stella Gets Her Groove Back" had potential, but the film
> didn't become popular enough. Maybe "2001: A Space Odyssey"....

I've heard some funny ones based on "On Golden Pond" and "Saving Private
Ryan."


- -- 

Cheers!
- -g-

"You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline. It helps
if you have some kind of a football team, or some nuclear weapons, but at
the very least you need a beer." --Frank Zappa

)+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+(

Glen Uber // Santa Rosa, California // uberg (at) sonic dot net

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Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 14:57:39 -0700
From: Tom Clark <tclark@reardensteel.com>
Subject: Re: Feelm

on 6/25/01 2:33 PM, Glen Uber at uberg@sonic.net wrote:

> When "Crouching Tiger" was playing at my local metroplex, I happened to
> catch a glimpse of the marquee out of the corner of my eye while I sped past
> the theater. The marquee was limited in its space available so a few of the
> movie titles were truncated. In my haste, I put the titles of three movies
> that were playing at the same time together in my mind and to this day they
> remain that way. What makes this story funny is that the three titles, when
> combined, are rendered as "Crouching Mexican, Hidden Snatch."

For like three months last fall I would drive by this theatre marquee on my
way to work.  All it said was:
   Now Hiring
  Billy Elliot

I thought, "Gee, they REALLY want this guy!"


- -tc

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Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 15:04:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: bayard <bayard@bitmine.net>
Subject: more fun with dictionaries

http://www.snopes2.com/language/mistakes/dord.htm

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Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 15:14:30 -0700
From: Eb <ElBroome@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Feelm

>For like three months last fall I would drive by this theatre marquee on my
>way to work.  All it said was:
>  Now Hiring
>  Billy Elliot
>
>I thought, "Gee, they REALLY want this guy!"

I couldn't be sure it wasn't a doctored photo, but someone recently sent me
a shot of an apparently legitimate theater sign which said....

"My Dog Skip [various showtimes]
Screwed [various showtimes]
Erin Brockovich [various showtimes]"

Eb

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Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 18:30:46 -0400
From: "Maximilian Lang" <maximlang@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Feelm

>For like three months last fall I would drive by this theatre marquee on my
>way to work.  All it said was:
>    Now Hiring
>   Billy Elliot
>
>I thought, "Gee, they REALLY want this guy!"
>
>
>-tc

I recall the Sam Eric Theater in Cherry Hill showing The Great Mouse 
Detective and Juice, the Marquee said:

                     Mouse   Juice


                                   Max

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Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 16:25:37 -0700
From: "victorian squid" <v.squid@eudoramail.com>
Subject: Re: Feglowship

On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 21:00:08   Tigger Lily wrote:

>I think you Mac guys are having a sublimanl critical mass effect on me.

I think some of those may also be linux guyz :).

>Intresting, some of the violence of your dislike of Zep is partially cause 
>of the idiots who impinged on your space with it--which I can understand.

The thing is, I've also been guilty of trying to make people like music they didn't want 
to like and narrowly assuming that everyone else sees beauty in the same places I see it. 
The thing is, I was never as stubborn about it as some, and generally have never been one 
to turn music up to eleven either.

>personal funk at the time--all these can influence my taste for good or ill 
>and have nothing to do with the actual merits of the band.

This definitely influences my like/dislike strongly. What's weird is when I have 
an objective sense that something is "good" and still don't really care for it. Like 
Simon and Garfunkel. I can't help it. I do like some of their songs, but taken as a 
whole S&G make me think of overly earnest youth pastors who really want to -relate-. 
It's a growing up in the 70s thing, I think. 

>(and yes, I probobly -deserve- to be flamed for -that- 
>over-simplification;-)

Funny tho! 

The thing about feg is, no one will ever let you get away with oversimplifying :).

>As for painters, I agree bout Rothko and Pollock being much less 
>heart-thumping in reproduction. Not only do repros belittle them, repros 
>also loose the glow.  All most all repros mess up the depths of the color, 
>which is why neither books nor the Net will ever replace museums.

You're right and it really really diminishes the subtle, meditative layerings of color. 
They're fascinating up close but reproductions don't really catch them. I guess it's to 
do with having to shrink the things so egregiously. Anyone who's never seen one in Real 
Life (tm), they really -don't- look like boring blotchy bars of paint the way they often do 
in the pictures.

>pigs(and dont forget almost all the blues guys too) gets them to the point 
>of making great music, well

Well yeah. And I understand that that's the lineage, and like a lot of blues and 
blues-derived (for a lack of better way to express it) music. Probably more than 
the average feg, actually. Most of which I wouldn't complain about, either. It may 
not be fair and right but if LZ had a different kind of rhythm section (like, say, one 
with Charlie Watts in it :)) I'd probably be a lot less annoyed by them.

>Oh yeah, especially Keith in his latter years;-P

Wasn't that an odd comment? I think Mr. Mahoney must have been joking. Hard 
to tell with you, sometimes, Stephen M.

You know, there are some partnerships which are about very very similar people 
who understand each other perfectly, and some which are about complementary 
strengths and weaknesses. Speaking very generally, I am not too good with the physical plane. Doug OTOH is. One thing he does is frequently pointing out obvious stuff that 
I completely miss, and doing it in a way that makes me laugh. I showed him the post in 
question, and was like "yeah, I know Mick is supposedly a sex symbol and all, but he's 
kinda ugly, I never could figure it". Doug put on a very serious face and observed in a 
professorial sort of voice that "at the time, chicks liked his tight little ass". Oh :).

cluelessly,
susan

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Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 19:46:53 EDT
From: Robcow@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rockin' Duck

>PS Now, who were they? I was Neil Innes, M was Roger McGough, M was Mike
>McGear, R was Andy Roberts, G was John Gorman, but who was S?

Norman Smedles?

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Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 19:53:40 -0400
From: Ken Ostrander <kenster@MIT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Feglowship

>>>What sort of comment is that? Art in and of itself is subjective. Call me
>>>stupid (I heard that!), but doesn't everyone judge art by how relevant its
>>>ideals are to one's own outlook on life?
>
>does anyone look at art this way?
>
>Art is objective. The appreciation of art is subjective. I judge art on its
>ability to change or enhance the way I think about things, my mood, or my
>view of reality. 

is art the creation of something beautiful from nothing or is it just
creation?  would anything beautiful be art?  is art defined by appreciation? 
what isn't art?

going over these questions, i was thinking how it might be possible to separate
our subjective from the objective when...

>Am I the only one here whose musical tastes aren't always entirely based on 
>the music? For me--the person who introduced me to it, the setting and 
>general mileu around it, reaction against the marketing stategy behind it, 
>personal funk at the time--all these can influence my taste for good or ill 
>and have nothing to do with the actual merits of the band.

wow, this is like therapy.  there must always be such a factor operating at
some level.  if/when i find something irritating, i try and think about why
that is and at least laugh at it.  my biggest problem in this area is when i
get bored.  i typically listen to whatever i want whenever i want.  this can
contribute to that high expectation level.

>>For myself, being moved emotionally is more
>>important than being stimulated intellectualy by a work >art...however, 
>>your results may vary!
>
>Ahh, but what about when the hairs rise up on the back of your neck cause 
>soul, mind, heart and body are all being reached at once so that there is no 
>division between them. That to me is greatness--when you find a work that 
>seems bigger, deeper, simpler -and- more complex than you had previously 
>imagined, thought, felt or found possible. Eureka.

right!  once you get that high, you crave it and start comparing everything to
it.  either the emotional or the intellectual can work for me; but it can leave
you hungry for more.  


>All hands on deck. All hands on deck. Capuchins in trolling mode.

i almost choked on that one.  yo ho ho!

>If only the Who had broken up right after Moon died we wouldn't even 
>be debating Who vr Zep. And I easily forgive Townsend the pompous ego stuff 
>cause, well -- thats an area where -I- aint throwin the first stone;-)

of course, there are more distinctions; but that's a nice little nugget.

>> remain that way. What makes this story funny is that the three titles, when
>> combined, are rendered as "Crouching Mexican, Hidden Snatch."
>
>For like three months last fall I would drive by this theatre marquee on my
>way to work.  All it said was:
>   Now Hiring
>  Billy Elliot

how 'bout:
                  Erin Brockovich
                  Screwed
                  My Dog Skip

now that's art!

>There's an old Christian saw--"love the sinner, hate the sin." 

it's ok to have sex; but you can't enjoy it.

>>During the big death scene, I felt absolutely nothing.
>
>I felt a strange itching in my posterior area, but luckily it went away.

crouching scratching, hidden herpes?


ken  "chaotic good"  the kenster

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Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 21:09:22 -0500
From: steve <steveschiavo@mac.com>
Subject: Re: Feelm

On Monday, June 25, 2001, at 02:49  PM, Eb wrote:

> I finally saw "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" over the weekend. I'm sure
> this was better viewed on the big screen, but boy, I sure don't see any
> reason to worship this film. I simply was never drawn into the story, on
> any level. As far as I'm concerned, the only notable achievements here are
> the flying effects and the rare creation of a female-centric karate film.
> Otherwise, blah. During the big death scene, I felt absolutely nothing.


So, what are feelings on -

A Chinese Ghost Story
Once Upon A Time In China
Zu
Heroic Trio
Sex & Zen
The Fatal Flying Guillotine


- - Steve

__________
The election of 2000 was not stolen. It was expropriated. - Hendrick 
Hertzberg

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Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 21:14:50 -0500
From: steve <steveschiavo@mac.com>
Subject: Re: catching up

On Monday, June 25, 2001, at 02:13  PM, Jill Brand wrote:

> As for the Move, Fire Brigade gets everyone's toes tapping, but I, too, am
> a big fan of Cherry Blossom Clinic and Useless Information.  And how about
> Wild Tiger Woman (and my closet favorite - Curly)?

What about Beautiful Daughter or Chinatown?  (Or just about all the others,
  really).


- - Steve

__________
They have...made it impossible for citizens of the United States to 
sustain any kind of faith in the rule of law as something larger than the 
self-interested political preferences of William Rehnquist, Antonin Scalia,
  Clarence Thomas, Anthony Kennedy, and Sandra Day O'Connor. - Jeffrey 
Rosen, on Bush v. Gore

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Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 19:52:03 -0700
From: Eb <ElBroome@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Feelm

>So, what are feelings on -
>
>A Chinese Ghost Story
>Once Upon A Time In China
>Zu
>Heroic Trio
>Sex & Zen
>The Fatal Flying Guillotine

I haven't seen any of those films. (Well, I've seen one called "Master of
the Flying Guillotine," which was a hoot...a different film?) However, none
of the above films were nominated for numerous Oscars, declared the best
film of the year by a large number of film associations, ranked as the
highest-grossing foreign film of all time in the States, blessed with an
overwhelming word-of-mouth in the mainstream as one of THE "must see" films
of the year, etc. etc. etc. I'm not saying "Crouching Tiger" was a bad
film...I just don't think it deserves its overblown reputation.

Eb, also wondering what Kristen Dunst has done to deserve being cast in
every other new film release

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Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 20:38:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Eclipse <eclipse@best.com>
Subject: Re: Rockin' Duck

> >PS Now, who were they? I was Neil Innes, M was Roger McGough, M was Mike
> >McGear, R was Andy Roberts, G was John Gorman, but who was S?
> 
> Norman Smedles?

Alan Smithee?


- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
Eclipse | eclipse@best.com

If this is not what you expected, please alter your expectations.

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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 12:47:09 +0100 (BST)
From: Michael R Godwin <hssmrg@bath.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Rockin' Duck

> > >PS Now, who were they? I was Neil Innes, M was Roger McGough, M was Mike
> > >McGear, R was Andy Roberts, G was John Gorman, but who was S?
> > 
> > Norman Smedles?
 
On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, Eclipse wrote:
> Alan Smithee?

Well, I've just had a look at the photo gallery at
http://www.neilinnes.org/galleri/grimmgal.htm
and the cutting at http://www.neilinnes.org/articles/MMgrimms.htm
and it would appear that Stanshall was an original member, which is weird,
as I thought Innes left the Bonzos to get away from him. Anyway, Stanshall
certainly didn't do the Grimms tour that I saw.


- - Mike Godwin

PS I knew that Innes sometimes adopted the pseudonym 'Stoop Solo', but I
hadn't realised that he put out a single called 'How could you?'. Amusing!


n.p. 24 hours in Tunbridge Wells (Innes / Idle)

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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 08:32:15 -0400
From: John McIntyre <mcintyre@pa.msu.edu>
Subject: Re: catching up

Jill Brand wrote:

> While catching up on posts, I read Mike Godwin's play by play of the
> latest Nuggets release.  I was SOOOOO pleased to find another Pretty
> Things fan.  I *do* love Walking Through My Dreams and think it's a great
> choice.  In November 1999, the Boston Rock Opera staged the Pretty Things'
> SF Sorrow and did a wonderful job.  They even gave it a plot which I never
> would have figured out on my own.

There's a fairly recent remake of SF Sorrow with David Gilmour on guitar that
has Arthur Brown adding narration to make the plot more discernible.

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept
Michigan State University
mcintyre@pa.msu.edu

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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:20:50 -0400
From: "Bachman, Michael" <Michael.Bachman@fanucrobotics.com>
Subject: RE: catching up

Jill Brand wrote:

>>While catching up on posts, I read Mike Godwin's play by play of the
>>latest Nuggets release.  I was SOOOOO pleased to find another Pretty
>>Things fan.  I *do* love Walking Through My Dreams and think it's a great
>>choice.  In November 1999, the Boston Rock Opera staged the Pretty Things'
>>SF Sorrow and did a wonderful job.  They even gave it a plot which I never
>>would have figured out on my own.

John McIntyre wrote
>There's a fairly recent remake of SF Sorrow with David Gilmour on guitar
that
>as Arthur Brown adding narration to make the plot more discernible.

 I just picked up SF Sorrow in the imported stereo version on cd from
amazon.com
and it's great. I am glad I held out for the import stereo version cd rather
than
buying the domestic mono version. I remember scrambling in record shops
trying to
find Parachute by The Pretty Things on LP in the mid 70's. I finally found
in 1974
on English import, the same year that The Pretty Things released Silk
Torpedo (on
LZ's Black Swan label, Zep were big fans of the Pretty Things). 

Michael

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