From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #253 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, June 23 2001 Volume 10 : Number 253 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Playboy? (0% RH, 0% military history) [Christopher Gross ] anybody got the 1980 maxwells boot? [bayard ] Re: Grimsby, trad. arranged by... [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Grimsby, trad. arranged by... [Michael R Godwin ] how is the air up there? ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] RE: Inner rawk-stars, terms of veneration, Bonzo/Drozd'o, Eno, and DVDs [] Re: Grimsby [Capuchin ] Re: Sexy Beast/DVD region query [Capuchin ] Re: Grimsby ["victorian squid" ] Making it up as you go along ["Tigger Lily" ] Re: Nuggets II [Eb ] moobies on web [bayard ] Re: Grimsby ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Nuggets II [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: moobies on web [steve ] ars gratia artis [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 11:36:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Playboy? (0% RH, 0% military history) Do any of you folks read Playboy magazine? I need to find an article in a recent issue about Madalyn Murray O'Hair, the famous and now dead atheist activist. It would be a short article, probably one page or less, and was probably in the April, May or June 2001 issue. If anyone has spotted this a article, please email me! I don't even need a copy, I just need to know which issue it was in. Thanks! - --Chris np: ringing in my ears from ohGr show ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:35:40 -0000 From: "Tigger Lily" Subject: And they're here on Feg's Island. Natalie on the Who vr Zep: >I still like the Who better, though. But of course. Me too. As, my guess is, would most with a brain and a soul. The Who are in a different and far higher category(IMNHO), the one which includes meaning( I wouldn't mind in the least a Zep song in a commercial.) The Who were articulate, insightful, put actual feeling into their work and were often intentionally funny and ironic(thou they could also over-inflate into pompousity in an ego-sec.) Zep was only unintentionally funny, wouldnt of known irony if it hit them over the head with a giant phallus and in -so- many ways -deserved- to be on Gilligan's Island. There was a dearth of both feeling and meaning in their work. For all their naturey, occulty stuff there was often something weirdly unnatural there which sometimes made them sound a whole lotta less than human. Then of course they let Plant posture some truelly God-awefull lyrics. Thank God Townsend kept Daltry on a shorter leash. Plant has to be one of the most ridiculous bits of plehm rawk has ever coughed up. Luckily he didn't play an instrument and I still stick with what I first said--that some of the music is well-done. They were good musicians and they know how to rock. Their lack of a decent lyricist and singer,(well, that and heart, there was never much heart there) for me, is what held them back. I like Zep but they fill a fairly small nitch for me, a smaller nitch than many other groups/personages I can name. But they fill their small nitch well and I give them credit for that. Hey, with friends like me Who needs enemies;-? Nat--for the original lead balloon--listen to Becks's Bolero. Now -thats- music! For years Ive heard about Neutral Milk Hotel and put it off in some side section of my brain for further exploration. But this -taking the aeroplane to grans house thing- tickles me. Would someone kindly explain to a neophyte who they are, why they're good, and what tracks of theirs would be best to start with? Dolph: >Somehow I have a suspicion that if Cale had stayed in the Velvet > >Underground long enough to be on their 3rd album, it would be in my >Top >Five Favorite Records Ever Ever. Oh man. Oh man oh man. Im startin to vibrate. Just the thought. Its too much , its its... As it is it the 3rd album is about 5 on my list anyway but with Cale ... oh, oh yes, Yes, YES! Thank you. That was lovely. Got a cig? Some chocolate? Its Friday. Its been a long week. Work sucks. Our new computer dosnt only have the wrong internet card--it has the wrong operating system. We have to send it back and it will be weeks till I have home access to new music again. I want new music. Baaaahahhhahhhhh. Ive grown addicted to delighting my brain waves with new sensations every night. Guess its back to thrifting vinyal. Ken the scuba diver of love, Have you ever seen the cover of the David Bromberg albumn with the immortal and glorious "Bandit in a Bathing Suit" on it. Its a woman in full scuba gear in front of a city-backdrop. Cracks me up. CAT ALERT-- For all of you owned by cats out there Ive stumbled on a great cat essay. Its called "Stumpy versus Lucille." Its in Ron Rosenbaum's "The Secret Parts of Fortune" and its both lovely and a hoot. Fantastic book in general but Ive done more than enough book recs for one week so... Kay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 11:55:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: And they're here on Feg's Island. On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, Tigger Lily wrote: > Its Friday. Its been a long week. Work sucks. Our new computer dosnt only > have the wrong internet card--it has the wrong operating system. Definition of "wrong operating system": any system made by the Microsoft Corporation of Redmond, WA. As for Neutral Milk Hotel, I like all their stuff, but I think I like Avery Island better than Aeroplane. At least, I play it more often. This seems to be the minority opinion though. - --Chris "Hey, I'm fucking bleeding! How unusual is that?" --Nivek Ogre, 6/21/01 ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 11:28:24 -0500 From: "Mike wells" Subject: Re: Grimsby, trad. arranged by... > Mm, you've touched a nerve there. If there's one Zeppelin piece which is a > white man blues ripoff, it's 'Black Mountainside', which is a straight > lift from Bert Jansch's arrangement of the traditional 'Black Waterside'. It's a traditional English folk tune if I remember right. Having not heard Jansch's arrangement I can't comment on whether Page lifted it or not, but certainly stamping one's name on interpretations of traditional music is not new - though if it's a blatent rip then I understand your frustration. "Arranged By" should have been the credit. > And as for the way in which Page nicked Jeff Beck's arrangement of 'You > shook me' and then didn't credit the song to Willie Dixon - words fail me. Mostly untrue. LZI credits the song to Dixon/Lenoir, as it should be. I don't think there's any arguement that Page was trying to upstage Beck, however. There's a strong case for the fact that Page / LZ intentionally miscredited some things, but that wasn't the gist of my comments. It was more to address the specific idea that their large and varied volume of work precludes being able to tar them with a single brush. Finally, I wouldn't attempt to convert anyone - especially one who had already expressed a dislike for the music - by playing LZ for five hours. Three hours should be MORE than enough. Cheers, Michael "no stems, no seeds that you don't need... Aucapulco Gold - sssssssooooooop ...is kick-ass weed" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 09:34:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Carole Reichstein Subject: wrong way up (Eno/Cale) James said (or rather, a friend of his did!): heh... reminds me of a friend's comment about the Eno/Cale album: You can tell who wrote which songs. Eno's are all "I'm sitting here watching the world do its thing, I'm outside it reporting to you..." Cale's are all "The plane landed in Djibouti and the attendant gave me the secret sign... she must have slipped the papers into my luggage...". So true! I happen to adore this album. Speaking of secretive Cale songs, what's the story about "Cordoba?" Years ago, Karen surmised that it was about a terrorist bombing and the two people involved in it. "You walk towards the station/I walk towards the bus." xxx Carole (happy birthday Susan!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 10:14:51 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: anybody got the 1980 maxwells boot? anyone have an original of this? and how does it sound? http://www.jh3.com/robyn/base/disc.asp?tench=304 i'm interested in trading for a CDR copy. I have an absurdly tall stack of recent soft boys live stuff for trade - and I'm working on remastering some of the old shows too. =b ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 18:20:37 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Grimsby, trad. arranged by... On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, Mike wells wrote: > > And as for the way in which Page nicked Jeff Beck's arrangement of 'You > > shook me' and then didn't credit the song to Willie Dixon - words fail me. > > Mostly untrue. LZI credits the song to Dixon/Lenoir, as it should be. Well, as I remember, early copies of LZ1 credited it to Page and Plant. Can anyone confirm / deny? Certainly Willie Dixon sued LZ over 'Bring it on home' and 'Whole lotta love' and obtained a 'generous' out of court settlement - see: http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=Bkud0ylkjxpbb~C - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 19:05:00 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Grimsby, trad. arranged by... More interesting info on Zeppelin 'borrowings' in section 18 of http://www.jbrowne.com/Zeppelin/ZepFAQ.txt I hadn't realised that they nicked 'Dazed and Confused' from someone else... - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 11:32:05 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: how is the air up there? >From: Michael R Godwin > >You asked for it. Wow! :) >How Is The Air Up There? - The La De Das >* Don't know this - where _do_ they dig them up? There was a song by that name on the very first Bangles EP... I'd lay money it's the same song. >From: The Great Quail > >Drew says: > > >I deal with it, in much the same way I deal with Nick Cave singing > >in horror about "a fag in a whalebone corset draping his dick across > >my cheek." > >Ah, but that's Nick Cave singing as a "character" in his song. I knew this response was coming. Even under that reading, it still makes me somewhat uncomfortable to hear this line. Which is not to say I don't love the song, or the album for that matter. My reaction to his version of "Stagger Lee" is altogether more complex. I shan't go into details. Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 12:04:24 -0700 From: "da9ve stovall" Subject: RE: Inner rawk-stars, terms of veneration, Bonzo/Drozd'o, Eno, and DVDs >BTW, I wanted to see who they would call the male Sade >- - so now I know if I was a guy Id be Chris Issak. Ill >stick with being a girl Funnily enough, I drew Chris Isaak, and my girlfriend drew Sade. I don't know if that means we're compatible or not, but rest assured that "Chris Isaak" and "Sade" are now doing double duty as pet names for various uspecified body parts, . . . >and of course, Lipton's "An Exaltation of Larks." I love that book. >And, as I often do, I agree with Kay -- there's not much >that beats "When The Levee Breaks" for pure pummel. Bonham had more power than about any other two drummers, that's for sure. The best description of his style I've ever heard (in the context of "Bonzo trying to play a quiet, subtle drum part) analogized him to a rhinoceros wearing a tu-tu. Perfect. > It's just kind of cool nowadays to be able to hear >drumming like that behind Wayne Coyne instead of Robert >Plant. 8-) Steve Drozd rules! (And the Flaming Lips are beautiful live.) I knew I couldn't be the only one to observe the resemblance. I'm thinking especially of the section immediately following the words "And it seemed to cause a/Chain reaction" on, what song? on _The Soft Bulletin_. >heh... reminds me of a friend's comment about the Eno/Cale album: You can >tell who wrote which songs. Eno's are all "I'm sitting here watching the >world do its thing, I'm outside it reporting to you..." Cale's are all "The >plane landed in Djibouti and the attendant gave me the secret sign... she >must have slipped the papers into my luggage...". Odd - the Cale lyric there reminds me a LOT of Eno's lyrics on _Taking Tiger Mountain (By Strategy)_, . . . First-person, lots of international intrigue and eccentric characters skulking about exotic locations. >>...does importing a Region 3 copy of _Crouching Tiger_ >>to pop in your region-free player while it's still >>playing here in the US constitue some kind of copyright >>violation? > Absolutely, unequivocally, definitely not, in any way > whatsoever, so help me gawd. >...well, almost. The viewing doesn't infringe copyright. >But rendering a DVD player region-free may expose you to >criminal liability under the "anti circumvention >provision" (sect 1201) of the Digital Millennium Copyright >Act.) Which is a little perverse, considering that there do exist DVD players that ALLOW the Regionality to be turned off, . . . But I don't doubt that your assessment accurately reflects reality. >...at least until this section is found to be >unconstitutional, hopefully w/in the next year. Oh, don't get me started here. But, "Hallelujah!" to the prospect of the DMCA biting the dust. da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 12:52:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Grimsby On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > > Christ, I thought everyone liked LZ... > I don't think I've ever actually heard any of their stuff, to be honest. > > Stewart "Lenny Kravitz?????/Teddy Roosevelt!!!!!" Russell Stewart, I like you. You're not like the other people here... in the trailer park. But seriously, I don't know Led Zeppelin from any other cock rock. And literally the only song title I could share would be Stairway to Heaven (though I have no idea how it goes). Viv pointed out a song in a resale shop last year and actually got mad at me for not knowing it was Led Zeppelin. I think I'm more distrubed with her knowing it. Then again, I also know nothing by The Who, The Beatles, or, uh... The Kinks... or the Rolling Stones. I've heard some John Lennon and I think he's pretty bland. I'd rather hear Robyn. Oh, and I think Mr. Kennedy could just as well be a Glen Frey song. J. Chris Isaak/Wesley Clark - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 13:07:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Sexy Beast/DVD region query On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Marshall Needleman Armintor wrote: > Since there seem to be a lot of cinephiles on this list scattered > around the world, I've a got a question about the legality of > bypassing DVD region codes. At bottom, we all know it's way for giant > Hollywood studios to stagger the release of their product, but does > importing a Region 3 copy of _Crouching Tiger_ to pop in your > region-free player while it's still playing here in the US constitue > some kind of copyright violation? First, think it out. Are you copying? Then how can you be violating copyright? Now, we know the Digital Millenium Copyright Act has nothing to do with copying but still has that name. Note that it was passed under the Commerce Clause of Article I section VIII of the Constitution and not the Copyright Clause. So, the next question is whether or not you're violating the DMCA when you play the disc. The answer is still no. The DMCA specifically regulates bypassing technical protection measures placed on copyrighted works to control access. You are not bypassing this measure when you play a disc on a player that was designed to play that disc. However, the player manufacturer may be in trouble with the DVDCCA (the technical protection measure's licensing organization) for violating the license of DVD CSS (DVD Content Scrambling System) by distributing a machine capable of playing discs marked for regions other than the one in which it was distributed. > I know that a few years back New Zealand outlawed all region coding, > seeing it as price-fixing in diguise Not quite. And James or someone can correct me if I'm wrong. But it's my understanding that New Zealand, understanding its place as a geographically remote and isolated nation, has laws that specifically prohibits geography based trade restrictions because of the price fixing this allows. > Just looking for y'all's opinions (I'm working on a library-related > thing); the dvd-discuss list seems primarily focused on DeCSS issues, > and there's not much discussion on this there. Feel free to email me > privately. dvd-discuss is part of the openlaw forum's involvement int he DeCSS cases in California and New York. You're pretty much only going to get technical discussion of DeCSS or legal discussion of copyright and the DMCA. The saddest part of this whole mess is that the courts no longer really discuss issues like "What would a reasonable person expect to be able to do?" and focus more on what the law "was intended to do"... even when the law was bought outright by a specific industry that has no responsibility to the citizens of this country. Does it feel "wrong" at all to watch a movie that you bought on a player that you bought? And as for the DeCSS case, ask yourself this question: Is it wrong to watch a movie that you bought on a player that you made? The only argument that the MPAA has in this case is "Well, the player could be used to make copies!" Well, no shit. No matter what media we're talking about, a player can be used to make copies. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 13:50:29 -0700 From: "victorian squid" Subject: Re: Grimsby >I guess you must have been the unwilling victim of a million young men >trying to convince you that you're totally wrong..! Hence the rancour... Yes. You rightly picked up that I was talking to them and not Mike Wells at all at that point, it was a "and while we're on the subject" thing :). > their heavy rock riffage back when I was a teenager - there must be some kind of link >between newly-acquired testosterone and the electric shronk of a heavy metal guitar Just thinking about this. I didn't newly acquire a lot of testosterone at that time in my life, but I did have a much greater tolerance for this when younger. In fact when I was 12 (I think) I actually owned and listened to "Pyromania". And later on I listened to a lot of Black Flag, Circle Jerks, and so on (believe it or not). Now I tend to automatically dislike anything heavy-crunchy or adrenalizing. Some of it may be aging, but a lot of it is that PTSD has shredded my nerves up a little. It's hard to appreciate the aesthetic virtues of something that instinctively makes you nervous/oppressed/panicked, particularly at loud volume (which it often is). >the music is great, by-and-large, but that's being a sad muso for you, Oh, it's not a sad muso thing. You know, I do think most of it's bombastic and silly and the lyrics are truly awful, and would stand by what I've said in a general way, but I don't recall knocking anyone's playing. >As for the lyrics - another easy target - I find them equally funny... isn't there any >room in our culture forcringe-inducing doggerel? Well, yes, but so much of it is already taken up. :) >Now, what you said about the Doors.... now *that's* another matter! I like Manzarek a lot. It's Morrison I can't deal with. loveonya, susan Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 21:02:24 -0000 From: "Tigger Lily" Subject: Making it up as you go along Drew: >It's really fucking irritating that all the great musicians don't >share my politics, and all the shitty ones don't. Ditto writers. >And so on. Damn inconvenient of them, isnt it! I personally blame the gods. Why they couldnt arrange things more to our liking I just dont know. Inconsiderate old geezers. Unfit to make a world if you ask me.;-) Yes-- I think theres a law of necissary cognative dissonace at work here. Just to keep us aware of the limitations of our personal opinions perhaps. >I find their sexism and Tolkein to be integral >parts of their(Zep) music. You can't make music like that and sing about >much else. I can see how some people would find that a major >turnoff. I >deal with it, in much the same way I deal with Nick Cave >singing in horror >about "a fag in a whalebone corset draping his dick >across my cheek." When I was a teenager I learned a trick. Make up your own lyrics! If there was music I really liked with lyrics which I didnt, Id just rewrite the lyrics. Even keep the rhyme scheme. And whenever I heard the song Id play my own lyrics in my head. This worked especially well with garbled up Stones stuff, where most people make up the lyrics anyway, they just dont realize it;-). Yes I realize on some level this is aweful of me--but is it really? It makes music more of a dialog than a monologue. Also--there were so few important woman songwriters when I was growing up--I needed somewhere to be able to have a woman's consiousness and also rock out. So I used what was around. And just for the record, Ive never felt a need to rewrite any of Robyn's stuff. There was a band called "Blossom Toes." Thats so lovely. Oh--and talk about Page rip-offs(which were utterly egregrious)--how about the Yardbird's "White Summer" from, damn, now I cant remember which old blues song's name. But it was a shameless steal. Agree with Godwin that this professing of loving "the blues" and then robbing needed cash from its originators was hypocritical turpitude. Well--Im sure theres a very very "special" circle in hell just a-waiting for the Pagester(and this said by someone who dosn't even believe in hell)! Kay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 14:20:04 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Nuggets II Godwin, '60s oracle: >Briefly, there are lots of bands I've never heard of Wow...those bands *are* obscure, then. When you kept writing "No," did you mean "No, this song stinks" or "No, I haven't heard of this group"? >And some early Soft Machine / Kevin Ayers? And some 'Sunshine Superman' >period Donovan? And the first, excellent Nice album? Family? Seems to me those names would be slightly outside the album's conceptual range. A bit too much art, a bit too little primal simplicity. >The choice of early RnB Pretty Things when they went on to have an >excellent psychedelic phase is inexplicable to me. Probably another licensing problem. >Sorry - The Easybeats >* Don't know this track. Really? That's one of the few I know. Wonderfully exciting track! I have a skimpy Easybeats compilation cassette on Rhino -- I'd really like to hear more by this group. Though it seems as if their later stuff took an ugly turn, judging from the bombastic, orchestrated ballads at the end of the tape. >Are the >Golden Earrings the same as Golden Earring, the Dutch band who had a hit >with 'Radar Love'? Yes...the liner notes say so. >Friday On My Mind - The Easybeats >* This is just a nothing top 10 record. Boy...you've really been spewing a lot of blasphemies, lately. ;) >It's My Pride - The Guess Who >* Canadian harmony band, right? Loathesome if I remember correctly. I have a soft spot for my Guess Who/Greatest Hits record. I'd never buy a non-compilation album by them in a million years, but some of their singles were darn good ear-candy. "No Time"? "Undun"? "Share the Land"? "Laughing"? "These Eyes"? Great radio tunes. "American Woman" is overrated, though. >Pictures Of Matchstick Men - The Status Quo >* Yes, I loved this record, learned to play it and everything. That was >when Francis Rossi was called Mike Rossi (cf. Jim / Roger McGuinn) Now, come on, you call "Friday on My Mind" a nothing top-10 record, and then rave about *this* shallow, gimmicky ditty? I mean, it's catchy and fun and all, but.... >Were there 2 Kaleidoscopes? If not, I'd say they were American. Judging from the liner notes, it sounds like there were two Kaleidoscope groups, yup. And this seems pretty feasible, given what a painfully obvious name "Kaleidoscope" is for a band of the psychedelic era. >I hadn't realised that they nicked 'Dazed and Confused' from someone >else... Really? I thought that was common knowledge, especially for someone of your experiences. ;) Da9ve: >rest >assured that "Chris Isaak" and "Sade" are now doing double duty >as pet names for various uspecified body parts, . . . Please stop.... ;) Eb np: Quasi/The Sword of God (mildly disappointing...too many plodding ballads) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 14:36:09 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: moobies on web hey, i read that 8 minutes of _the fegllowship of the ring_ is supposed to be floating in cyberspace somewhere - anyone know of a good place to look? =b "the seedy underbelly, perhaps?" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 22:40:08 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Grimsby SIMPSON,HAMISH (A-Scotland,ex1) wrote: > > Like it was the theme tune to TOTP dude. wasn't that by th guy who wrote "19"? Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 13:12:40 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Nuggets II >How Is The Air Up There? - The La De Das >* Don't know this - where _do_ they dig them up? good lawd above. The La De Das were New Zealand's answer to the Rolling Stones, back in the days when that involved having a guitar, long hair, and a loud voice and little else. Having said that, this track is a goody and a couple of their others weren't too bad, and they had five singles in the NZ charts between 1967 and 1969. >PS Who was it accused Cale of being English? Ouch! Listen to 'The >Gift' again, bach ... :) or that song on Paris 1919 about Grayyam Greene for that matter, you see ;) James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:11:34 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: moobies on web On Friday, June 22, 2001, at 04:36 PM, bayard wrote: > hey, i read that 8 minutes of _the fegllowship of the ring_ is supposed to > be floating in cyberspace somewhere - anyone know of a good place to look? No idea, but they showed 20-30 minutes of it at Cannes, so someone filming it wouldn't be beyond possibility. - - Steve __________ The president believes that it's an American way of life, and that it should be the goal of policymakers to protect the American way of life, the American way of life is a blessed one. - Ari Fleischer, when asked if Americans should use less energy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 13:20:52 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: ars gratia artis >>What sort of comment is that? Art in and of itself is subjective. Call me >>stupid (I heard that!), but doesn't everyone judge art by how relevant its >>ideals are to one's own outlook on life? does anyone look at art this way? Art is objective. The appreciation of art is subjective. I judge art on its ability to change or enhance the way I think about things, my mood, or my view of reality. I am mightily impressed by some of Kienholz's installations, for instance, even though they are the sort of things that would give me nightmares (indeed one of them, The Beanery, did turn up in a nightmare of mine). I have been impressed by Pollock and Rothko's work (which are much more impressive 'in the flesh' than I would have thought just from seeing illustrations of them), despite their sheer abstraction having little relevance to me. On the other hand, I am impressed by the artistic abilities of Rockwell despite regarding much of his work as cloying. And of Egon Schiele, despite his figures being grotesque. My favourite artists is possibly Kay Sage, sparse dreamlike landscapes that affect the way I feel more than they are 'relevant in their ideals to my outlook on life'. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #253 ********************************