From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #251 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, June 22 2001 Volume 10 : Number 251 Today's Subjects: ----------------- these kids today [Ken Ostrander ] more nuggets [Ken Ostrander ] Re: Grimsby [Tom Clark ] RE: Grimsby ["Poole, R. Edward" ] zep! ["Natalie Jane" ] RE: Grimsby [Stephen Mahoney ] Re: Grimsby ["SIMPSON,HAMISH (A-Scotland,ex1)" ] RIP [Tom Clark ] Hen Out DVD details ["da9ve stovall" ] Re: not digging led zeppelin in grimsby, or anywhere, really ["victorian ] Re: Inner rawk star ["Maximilian Lang" ] Shake On ["Tigger Lily" ] Re: Inner rawk star ["J. Brown" ] Re: not digging led zeppelin [Eb ] Ars gratis artis [Glen Uber ] Re: Nuggets II [Terrence Marks ] Re: RIP [Stephen Mahoney ] cale 'n' zep [Dolph Chaney ] Re: Cale [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] reap (unsubstantiated, as yet) [Eb ] Re: reap (unsubstantiated, as yet) ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: not digging led zeppelin [steve ] Re: Militarymaniax [Terrence Marks ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 17:16:08 -0400 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: these kids today >The average person is not equipped to maintain their civic rights. >This is a failing of both public education and the powers-that-be. >People should be informed, care, and not have anything to worry about. Tristan Cating, a 15 year old high school student in Stonington, Connecticut, was required to attend a school assembly sponsored by McDonald's. Ostensibly, the assembly was to teach students how to fill out a job application and how to conduct themseves during a job interview. The students were given free meal coupons by McDonald's if they completed employment applications to work at the restaurant chain. They were shown a McDonald's corporate video, and then a McDonald's representative asked for volunteers from the audience to participate in a mock job interview. Tristan raised his hand. Once on stage, in response to "job interview" questions posed to him by the McDonald's representative, Tristan (who is a vegan and an animal rights activist) spoke out against McDonald's for their exploitation of animals, their false advertising, and their corporate policies. The microphone was taken away from him and he was rushed to the principal's office for disrupting the assembly. He was forced to write an apology to the McDonald's representative and to read that apology over the intercom system to the entire school. Listen to the story: http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/me/20010618.me.11.rmm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 17:15:48 -0400 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: more nuggets happy summer y'all! roll your own blackout tonight from 1900-2100. it's a global solstice event rolling across the planet to protest dubya's energy policy. unplug what you can and have fun in the dark. >ye gods, my scores are almost level with Red Ken's! >but also, ye gods some of the questions are shite! doh...clouds in my coffee...i thought you were talking about me! i have yet to see someone with a positive score on the scale. either i haven't been paying close enough attention or this things a bit weighted. >I'd be curious to know if Mike Godwin has any thoughts on Rhino's new >Nuggets box (which intentionally contains no American acts, and focuses on >European sounds). i really wanted to get it this week; but for financial reasons had to settle for gorillaz, spearhead, & sigur ros. i've read some good reviews of the box set; but of course it's not settled until it happens here... > > hey whats the deal with judge scalia ruling in favor with the pot growers > > on that last supreme court ruling? was he promised a package from > > columbia? perhaps he's thinking of all of the dope he'll need for his autumn years. >And heavy-handed and bombastic, and obsessively, horribly tediously phallocentric. >Also the lyrics are so 6th form "deep, man". Like, wow, we're down to seeds and we're >buying the stairway to heavy, I mean like heaven, man. Dude. That's so sweet. i once heard this hilarious medley that some dj had put together of the many moans of plant. you can imagine the posibilites... > |Agent 99 was the first woman for whom I had "the hots." (does > |that count as on-topic?) > > For me, most definitely Emma Peel from the Avengers. daphne from scooby doo for me. jinkies! >> Think I'm wrong? Well hey, YOU try getting a girl interested in >> a bit 'o' fun with a line like "let's go up to the computer room >> and I'll show you my army of attack Trojans," and report back >> with your findings. > >Calling them "French ticklers" might be more successful than calling them >"attack trojans." Just a thought. my current fav is "scuba diver of love". > BTW--didnt -anyone- else do the inner rawk star thing? > Am I the only one who -liked- mine? the choices were pretty meager. i was lenny kravitz. ken "we must have more cream if we're to compete with beef wellington!" the kenster np priest=aura da church ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:13:59 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Grimsby on 6/21/01 1:57 PM, Stewart C. Russell at scruss@enterprise.net wrote: > Everyone loves Neutral Milk Hotel. They just don't know it yet. I'm afraid you're mistaken there. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 17:17:37 -0400 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: Grimsby >Everyone loves Neutral Milk Hotel. They just don't know it yet. heh, right. not to delve into an elephant 6 love-fest, but I'm with Stewart. everyone on this list owes it to themselves to, at least, pick up "In the Aeroplane over the Sea." 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To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:27:13 -0700 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: zep! (So I abandoned Hotmail because it was down, now Hotmail is OK and my other e-mail's down. Can't win...) I once asked "Martin Leper" the question which baffled the list a few years back: Who's better, the Who or Led Zeppelin? He didn't even pause to consider. "Led Zeppelin are about... *castles* and shit!" he spat. "The Who are about REAL LIFE!" Granted, he had smoked a bowl or ten at the time... I grew up listening to Led Zeppelin, and I'm fond of them in a nostalgic yet non-ironic sort of way. Sure, they were ridiculous. But when you're a fanatical eight-year-old Tolkien fan and you hear a guy on the radio singing about Mordor, it gets to you. I still like the Who better, though. n. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:34:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: RE: Grimsby neutral milk hotel????? whazzat? > >Everyone loves Neutral Milk Hotel. They just don't know it yet. > > heh, right. not to delve into an elephant 6 love-fest, but I'm with > Stewart. everyone on this list owes it to themselves to, at least, pick up > "In the Aeroplane over the Sea." Wonderful and odd and moving, just the > same. in the aeroplane over the sea to grandmothers house we go yeah we always would sing that whenever we visited her ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 23:34:59 +0200 From: "SIMPSON,HAMISH (A-Scotland,ex1)" Subject: Re: Grimsby >> WHOLE LOTTA LOVE???? > nope, sorry, blank drawn. Like it was the theme tune to TOTP dude. Just think of old Jimmy S wigglin his cigar and you'll get it. (H) PS LZ rool, Dave Gilmour sucks and Hugh Cornwell used to rool but I don't know if he does now. np - Mercury Rev - See You On The Other Side ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 17:38:36 -0400 From: /dev/woj Subject: Re: Grimsby when we last left our heroes, Tom Clark (tclark@reardensteel.com) exclaimed: >on 6/21/01 1:57 PM, Stewart C. Russell at scruss@enterprise.net wrote: >> Everyone loves Neutral Milk Hotel. They just don't know it yet. >I'm afraid you're mistaken there. and i have the tom's signature to prove it! +w ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:48:49 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: RIP John Lee Hooker http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010621/re/people_hooker_dc_1.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:58:44 -0700 From: "da9ve stovall" Subject: Hen Out DVD details Oh, I forgot earlier to add the actual details about the Gotta Let This Hen Out DVD I got through Amazon.co.uk: Visionary Communications VISDVD004 is the serial number if you believe the spine of the package If you believe the DVD itself, the serial number is VISMDVD004 It's Region 0, as I mentioned before. www.visionary.co.uk There's absolutely no other 'technical' information printed on the packaging or the DVD itself, unless you count the little code stamped near the hub inside the disc itself, which says: DVD-SINUS/DVDS-SINUS N da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:05:59 -0700 From: "victorian squid" Subject: Re: not digging led zeppelin in grimsby, or anywhere, really On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:46:24 Mike wells wrote: (snip) Can I just say something? Please don't take offense, but you're not even the 1000th person to tell me these sorts of things. Frankly, it's not as tho the world isn't full of people who appreciate Led Zeppelin. It's not as tho I have never heard these songs you mention. I am not Stewart. I have heard this band all my life, all the time, everywhere. A sides, B sides, live recordings, bootlegs, pouring out of stereos at parties, blasting out of cars, oozing out the apartment upstairs. They are inescapable. They are everywhere. This is because -millions- love them. Yet if one person does not love them, it makes people defensive. Geez, it's not like they're some kind of struggling misunderstood underdogs. This is arguably the most popular rock and roll band after the Beatles we're talking here. Strangely, people assume that I dislike them because I haven't heard the right songs or because I have misunderstood what I have heard or because I am "prejudiced against them". It's as though disliking this band is simultaneously incomprehensible and not allowed. In the past when I have been foolish enough to open my mouth about not liking this band, someone invariably starts with the "Let me just play you....." thing and then I have to listen to them for five hours. I've also watched "Song Remains The Same" twice. Stop. I've heard enough to know what I think. If they don't impress me by now I ain't having a conversion. relevant factors: I hate most "heavy rock". I haven't read Tolkein since I was ten. I also (speaking generally, there are always exceptions) am not a big fan of stuff that has to do with gnomes and castles and suchlike. loveonya, susan who also doesn't like the doors, doesn't feel like arguing that one either Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 19:07:23 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Inner rawk star I'm my Jewbian brother Lenny Kravitz. Max > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 23:11:08 -0000 From: "Tigger Lily" Subject: Shake On Two sex/word/music/history/-info filled digests to play with. Aghhhh, the exquisite pleasure of catching up with the good stuff Tom: Darn, you had to tell me bout that site -after- Fathers day. And I was looking for something to make my husband (and me) giggle. BTW Ive noticed you are the godfather of amusing sex-links. You dont have a librarian degree by any chance, do you? Have you indexed them? Chris: >I'm sure military.com deliberately avoided >offering Rommel and other Nazis. They also avoided conspicuously >unsuccessful generals. Can't offend potential readers by comparing >them >to Nazis and incompetents! Yes--which is why they made Napoleaon sound like a savior instead of the tyrant he was(think Tolstoy or in Time Bandits how he makes all the dwarfs generals;-) (and remember Robyn mentions Nap just before Herr Hitler--the feeling of entitlement to conquer territory which you have no just claim to, needlessly causing the death and misery of many can seem abit---oh, evil perhaps?;-)(and a brillent metaphor.) Id actually take Rommel(who was perhaps the highest ranking non-Nazi German in his time)over Napolean(who was probobly a sociopath.) But what do I know? And I see your point about the South. What I ment is that the South couldn't have conquered the North. But yes, they could have gotten the North to say--fegedaboutit! Thanks for showing our boy in a better light. Did alittle research on Tecumseh and found something which reconciled me slightly to him. When he graduated West Point he was top of his class -- in demerits:-) . Ave Atque Vail: >The true genius of both Generals is that Lee rejected that >kind of war and Grant allowed Lee to surrender with dignity and start >the reunification. Well put. Steve: >If you add up all these little personality tests on the web will you >end >up with the equivalent of the MMPI? I love these test cause the whole concept of tests is so bogus its all just an ego-stroking goof. BTW, I wanted to see who they would call the male Sade - - so now I know if I was a guy Id be Chris Issak. Ill stick with being a girl Im definetly going to take -the what breed of dog am I- test (large, badly-groomed, rambunctious poodle would be my guess) Im working late tonight--so I think --what color is my aura--(obviously green), and --my emotional age--(17 or younger? )may just help keep me awake. BTW--you dont have to give them your usual e-mail address. Set up a free account somewhere and use it only when you need to register but you know they'll send you junk. Realdolls.com has me utterly skeeved out(one of my favorite slang expressions.) "An exclusive formulation of ultra flesh-like silcone, which emulates the soft, elastic feel of human skin" Eeewwhh... As Nathan Hale(not a general) might have said- "Give me chocolate or give me flesh." Ive never even been able to get used to the idea of silcone breasts or chins or cheekbones -under- skin, but now -instead- of skin -- Double Eeewwwhhhh. Thou Swell: >anyone have any idea why RH dislikes Led Zep? It dosn't suprise me at all that RH dislikes Zep. They appear to have been a bunch of posing, pompous, stupid, woman-hating vulgarians(did I miss anything;-). Whats always amazed me is that even so I like them. The -only- thing they had going for them was that they were great musicians. And thats enough. For me some of that music just gets into my bones and makes them shake. Its both intricate and powerful at the same time. Listen to "When The Levee Breaks" top-volume a few times in a row. Now -thats- intense. Dont know if this is at all relevent but once at Maxwell's Robyn went into a ramble bout the evils of electricity. It was almost as if he were talking about a perversion. And wasn't Page the poster-boy for that one? James: Love Brysons' "Muver Tongue" Gackle: >A classic English wit and eccentric with a flair for the >surreal/absurd/grotesque, and at the same time thoroughly a >rationalist >(this is an utterly English combination... e.g. Peter Greenaway) Please post more. Thats one great observation. >Cale has described himself as "essentially a collaborator". There is > >anaspect of midwifery to his work; he facilitates and blends with > >others. Hehas been an active (and extremely influential) producer as > >well as allowing his work to be fruitfully produced by others. These > >things could not be less true of RH. Personal opinion: I feel that > >Robyn, brilliant as he is, would be a much greater artist if he could > >let go more and allow his talents to merge with others'. He seems to > >jealously guard his vision, like an imaginative child with a solitary > >game that no one else is allowed to play ... >Compare Shakespeare to Sterne. Perhaps equally brilliant, but the >one includes everything except himself, whereas the other includes >nothing >but himself. That sort of gets at what I have in mind. >(Disclaimer: that >is totally not intended to be a complete analogy, I >am not comparing >JohnCale to Shakespeare; please!) Well--Cale is Cale and Robyn is Robyn and these two types have stalked their ways thru english-language cultural life for centuries. I forget which important critic/poet it was (Coleridge, Auden, Williams?) who pointed out that writers were either Shakespeares or Miltons(of whom Sterne is a lesser example.) Shakepeare were able to go out of himself to become everybody. Milton went into himself to become everybody. Shakespeare diminshed himself to slip into others' personas. Milton enlarged himself to find others' personas within himself. This may all be no more meaningful than the questionares we've been doing--but it seems to me that Cale is a Shakespeare and Robyn is a Milton(which is a question of type, not identity.) And that theres room for both in this world:-) SLANG BOOKS-- which loosely translated means most of you can stop reading here(and thats if youve gotten this far) Right now the "Random House Historical Dictionary of American Slang" is up to O and is quite decent. It replaces the "Dictionary of Americanisms on Historical Principles" which isnt nearly as good. I also like the much shorter "Cassell Dictionary of Slang" and Garner's(O.U.P) Dictionary of "Modern American Usage" which has its uses. And anything by Partridge or Flexnor is great. For pure fun(not quite slang but good word stuff) I adore Thurner's "Portmanteau Dictionary", the "Ultimate Visual Dictionary 2000"(publishers Dorling Kindersley), Herman's "American Dialects" or "Foreign Dialects" and of course, Lipton's "An Exaltation of Larks." Theres nothing really up to date on African-American slang, thou theres some fine historic stuff. I think Eb knows of a Web-link for current stuff which is better than anything in print. Miltonically yours ( but I wa=ish I was Shakespearean:-) Kay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:25:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Brown" Subject: Re: Inner rawk star On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Maximilian Lang wrote: > I'm my Jewbian brother Lenny Kravitz. mine is Ricky Martin. what the fuck! Jason Wilson Brown - University of Washington - Seattle, WA "Tell me you'll soon be crawling into the arms of love" -Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:38:14 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: not digging led zeppelin Susan: >Strangely, people >assume that I dislike them because I haven't heard the right songs or because >I have misunderstood what I have heard or because I am "prejudiced against >them". Not me. I assume you dislike them, because you seem to judge art only by how relevant its ideals are to your own life. So...Led Zeppelin is definitely out. Coincidentally, a friend was grumbling to me last night about "Oprah's Book Club," and how she thinks Oprah only likes books which serve as a mirror to herself. Seems analogous here. Edward: >Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP Is this available on CD, too? Eb np: Portastatic/Looking for Leonard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 17:00:46 -0700 From: Glen Uber Subject: Ars gratis artis on 6/21/01 4:38 PM, Eb hat geschrieben: > Not me. I assume you dislike them, because you seem to judge art only by > how relevant its ideals are to your own life. So...Led Zeppelin is > definitely out. What sort of comment is that? Art in and of itself is subjective. Call me stupid (I heard that!), but doesn't everyone judge art by how relevant its ideals are to one's own outlook on life? If that were not the case then all art would be the same and would have to be judged equally and non-subjectively. What fun would that be? I don't like Led Zeppelin for many of the same reasons Susan doesn't. Does it mean I'm a narrow-minded person because I don't understand Zep's cultural relevance or because their lyrics don't speak to me in the same way as Dylan's or Lennon's or Hitchcock's? Am I any less of a music fan or aficionado of rock because I find Zeppelin's music boring, their lyrics trite, Plant's voice annoying and Page's guitar playing mediocre? Sheesh! - -- Cheers! - -g- "You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline. It helps if you have some kind of a football team, or some nuclear weapons, but at the very least you need a beer." --Frank Zappa )+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+( Glen Uber // Santa Rosa, California // uberg (at) sonic dot net )+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+( ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 20:16:38 -0400 From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: Nuggets II Eb wrote: > > I'd be curious to know if Mike Godwin has any thoughts on Rhino's new > Nuggets box (which intentionally contains no American acts, and focuses on > European sounds). > > If you go to http://www.rhino.com, you can easily find the entire set of > track-by-track liner notes...sorry, don't have the exact link saved. http://www.rhino.com/features/liners/76787lin5.html I've heard about a quarter of these on other comps. There's maybe two songs of those that I don't like. It's got the best hit:miss ratio of any psych-pop comp that I've seen. Decent range of marginally famous to completely obscure groups. It's also got Tintern Abbey on it. - -- Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com The Nice (an organization for comic strips) http://nice.purrsia.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 17:27:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: RIP no way!!!!!!! he was supposed to be immortal! On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Tom Clark wrote: > John Lee Hooker > > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010621/re/people_hooker_dc_1.html ***************************************************************************** There is no question that there is an unseen world. The problem is, how far is it from midtown and how late is it open? - -Woody Allen, Examining Psychic Phenomena ***************************************************************************** Stephen Mahoney Multnomah County Library at Rockwood branch clerk stephenm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us 503-988-5396 fax 503-988-5178 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 20:37:45 -0500 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: cale 'n' zep I don't have much vinyl (maybe 50 LPs and 20 45s), but two pieces that I do have are Led Zeppelin III and John Cale's Animal Justice EP (which has my very favorite Cale song, "Hedda Gabler"). If the list suddenly erupts into threads about the Rutles and the Thompson Twins, I think my little Half-Shelf-O'-Vinyl might just explode from excitement. Anyway, Zeppelin was important to me during my first couple of years of learning guitar (age 13-14) and figuring out how to arrange stuff. And, as I often do, I agree with Kay -- there's not much that beats "When The Levee Breaks" for pure pummel. It's just kind of cool nowadays to be able to hear drumming like that behind Wayne Coyne instead of Robert Plant. 8-) Re Cale, I would echo the selections given elsewhere, especially the Island Years. Fear is the one album that I think works best as a piece. Somehow I have a suspicion that if Cale had stayed in the Velvet Underground long enough to be on their 3rd album, it would be in my Top Five Favorite Records Ever Ever. dolph currently besotted with Grant Lee Buffalo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 14:03:35 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Cale >It's funny though - apart from being highly talented (okay, and both being >Pisces) Cale and RH have very little in common. Surprisingly little, and I >never noticed this before. heh... reminds me of a friend's comment about the Eno/Cale album: You can tell who wrote which songs. Eno's are all "I'm sitting here watching the world do its thing, I'm outside it reporting to you..." Cale's are all "The plane landed in Djibouti and the attendant gave me the secret sign... she must have slipped the papers into my luggage...". hm. Don't think anyone's mentioned Vintage Violence, Fear, or Artificial Intelligence yet. And on a side-note, My Friend The Chocolate Cake do (did?) some great Cale covers, including a sumptuous version of one of my favourite Cale songs, Buffalo Ballet. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 19:45:40 -0700 From: Eb Subject: reap (unsubstantiated, as yet) Carroll O'Connor? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 23:00:52 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: reap (unsubstantiated, as yet) Yes...RIP Geeeze Dair EEEEEdit. >From: Eb >Reply-To: Eb >To: Fgz >Subject: reap (unsubstantiated, as yet) >Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 19:45:40 -0700 > >Carroll O'Connor? > >Eb _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:30:13 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: reap... John Lee Hooker, 83 James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 23:38:19 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: Sexy Beast/DVD region query On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, JH3 wrote: > Marshall Armintor writes: > >...does importing a Region 3 copy of _Crouching Tiger_ > >to pop in your region-free player while it's still playing > >here in the US constitue some kind of copyright > >violation? > > Absolutely, unequivocally, definitely not, in any way > whatsoever, so help me gawd. (Certain people in the > entertainment biz would like you to think otherwise, > of course.) ..well, almost. The viewing doesn't infringe copyright. But rendering a DVD player region-free may expose you to criminal liability under the "anti circumvention provision" (sect 1201) of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.) ..at least until this section is found to be unconstitutional, hopefully w/in the next year. i certainly wouldn't expect everyone to LIKE zeppelin, but i think it's difficult to argue credibly that they had little musical merit. - -- d. = i do what i am told. i am not opinionated. i accept without | dmw@ = questioning. i do not make a fuss. i am a good consumer. |radix.net = pathetic-caverns.com * fecklessbeast.com * shoddyworkmanship.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 22:58:32 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: not digging led zeppelin On Thursday, June 21, 2001, at 06:38 PM, Eb wrote: > Coincidentally, a friend was grumbling to me last night about "Oprah's > Book > Club," and how she thinks Oprah only likes books which serve as a mirror > to > herself. Speaking of Oprah, dear fegs. I assume that at least a few of you have seen Shrek. I'm wondering if anybody else had a flash of recognition when. ........ - - Steve __________ I've always said that with W., what you hear is not what you get. What you see is not what you get. What you get is all you get. And what you get with Bush is government run of, by, and for major corporations. This man honestly believes that if Exxon prospers, we all do. I find that highly debatable. - Molly Ivins ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 23:57:08 -0400 From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: Militarymaniax Johnathan Vail wrote: > The South could have led a Vietnam style geurrilla war. There were > examples of this style even in Illinois at the time and it was > considered. It might have led to divided country. However, Lee and > Grant were both looking to the future and didn't want that kind of > killing. The true genius of both Generals is that Lee rejected that > kind of war and Grant allowed Lee to surrender with dignity and start > the reunification. Well, the problem with a guerilla war in the CSA was that most of the the more settled areas had a black population of 30-60%, who could be counted upon to supply the Union troops with information at very least. The less settled areas, such as the Carolina highlands and West Virginia, generally had black populations of under 10%. These areas were also ideal terrain for guerilla activity. Unfortunately, the residents were quite strongly against secession. Add to this that the Confederacy's only ironworks of notable size (Tredegar, in Richmond) would have been captured in a few days and you've got serious problems. Guerilla warfare wasn't necessarily rejected because it was too horrible. It wouldn't have worked. - -- Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com The Nice (an organization for comic strips) http://nice.purrsia.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #251 ********************************