From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #250 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, June 21 2001 Volume 10 : Number 250 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: John Cale [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re:words words words ["matt sewell" ] Re: Militarymaniax! [Johnathan Vail ] Reih dich ein in die Arbeitereinheitsfront weil du auch ein Arbeiter bist [Jill Brand ] Re: inner rawk star ["brian nupp" ] RE: John Cale ["Brian Huddell" ] Re: Grimsby [Michael R Godwin ] Re: cale suggestions [John McIntyre ] Re: Muvver tongue [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Grimsby ["matt sewell" ] Important reminder [Christopher Gross ] the Soft Boys' last series and _The Guardian_ said... [bayard ] Re: Inner rawk star [dmw ] Re: Grimsby [Stephen Mahoney ] John Cale and Robyn (was RE: cale suggestions) ["Daniel Gackle" ] Re: Sexy Beast/DVD region query ["JH3" ] Re: Grimsby [Michael R Godwin ] Nuggets II [Eb ] Re: Grimsby ["victorian squid" ] Re: Nuggets II [Stefan Cooke ] Re: Grimsby ["Mike wells" ] Re: Grimsby ["Stewart C. Russell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 18:32:53 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: John Cale Paris 1919 is the first John Cale cd to get. It's the only one I have, and I based the purschase on hearing a couple of the cuts on the radio and from the Trouser Press Record Guide. I second this - brilliant album, if atypical of Cale's work. I'd suggest the live "Fragments of a Rainy Season" for a good overview of his work. If you're also a fan of Eno, I'd throw in "Wrong way up" for good measure. James PS - Lenny Kravitz??? James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:02:59 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re:words words words Shame you couldn't make it, Woj - despite the absence of Jimmy Page ( just to digress for a second, anyone have any idea why RH dislikes Led Zep? ISTR a quote where he lays into them...), it was a great show, with guest appearances by, among others, John Renbourne and Nick Harper (who is just as good as his Dad)... I didn't see Robyn there, or indeed anyone famous in the audience... thankfully no Dave bloody Gilmour... Matt >From: stomachless bottom >Reply-To: stomachless bottom >To: "worst...mailing list...EVER!" >Subject: Re:words words words >Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:41:19 -0400 > >when we last left our heroes, matt sewell exclaimed: > > >Congratulations, though, Ross on your Roy Harper purchase... well worth > >it - I saw his 60th Birthday gig the other day and it was absolutely > >awesome... > >damn you sewell! i would have liked to be there...but it just wasn't >possible to make it over. > >incidentally, according to reports on stormcock (the harpic mailing list), >robyn was spotted in the vicinity of rfh the night of roy's birthday >bash...but no word as to whether or not he actually attended. > >woj - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 06:52:37 -0400 From: Johnathan Vail Subject: Re: Militarymaniax! Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 17:48:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Militarymaniax! Re: Mary's and Kay's comments, I'm sure military.com deliberately avoided offering Rommel and other Nazis. They also avoided conspicuously unsuccessful generals. Can't offend potential readers by comparing them > Interesting hypothosis bout Gettysburgh. You may be right about that one. > Still, in the long haul I dont see how the South could ever have won. The > miracle was it took them so long to loose. Just plain lack of manpower, lack > of infrastructure, lack of manufacturing capabilities. Plus the naval > blockade. > Plus, errr slavery was wrong and its time was up(I know--that dosnt count.) Without getting into another long tedious Robynless historical discussion, I would argue that the South *could* have won. After all, they didn't have to conquer the North, they just had to convince the North to give up and recognize Southern independence. For example, in mid-1864 the war-weary Northern public looked ready to turn Lincoln out of office and elect a Democrat who'd stop fighting and let the South secede. And one critical event that helped reelect Lincoln was the timely capture of Atlanta by a Union army that just happened to be led by our boy William Tecumseh Sherman. - --Gen. Joseph Hooker The South could have led a Vietnam style geurrilla war. There were examples of this style even in Illinois at the time and it was considered. It might have led to divided country. However, Lee and Grant were both looking to the future and didn't want that kind of killing. The true genius of both Generals is that Lee rejected that kind of war and Grant allowed Lee to surrender with dignity and start the reunification. jv <- Grant Lee Napolean ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 08:17:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: Reih dich ein in die Arbeitereinheitsfront weil du auch ein Arbeiter bist Sometimes a good shot of Bertolt Brecht in the morning is needed to get this old-school authoritarian lefty going. Anyway.... In German, when asking someone what s/he does for a living, you don't just ask "Was machen Sie?" or "Was tun Sie?". Both, with no other context, mean "What are you doing now?" And while you can say (as woj offered) "Was haben Sie fuer Arbeit?", the most common way of asking is "Was machen Sie beruflich?" ("What do you do professionally?). HOWEVER.... the only reason that I'm going on about this is that Germans tend not to ask this question the way that Americans do, especially American men (in my experience). Americans tend to define themselves by their money-making occupations and people (again mostly men) want to establish job-status early in a conversation. In Germany, the question doesn't always arise, or, when it does, there has been some kind of prompt ("When I was at work the other day..." "What do you do?"). OK, yes, I have better things to do :-). Jill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 08:38:36 -0400 From: "s.mary" Subject: Inner rawk star At 11:02 PM 6/20/2001 -0500, steve wrote: >>What was the URL for this? I must have missed it. > >You people really need to pay better attention - > >http://www.emode.com/tests/rockstar/auth/nonpt_reg.jsp Thanks for reposting the url. I remember visiting it now but didn't go past the first page where they wanted your email address. Anyway, I ventured in and my inner rock star is Bjork. Such fun! Mary np - Bjork Homogenic ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 09:14:41 -0400 From: "brian nupp" Subject: Re: inner rawk star > >> BTW--didnt -anyone- else do the inner rawk star thing? > >> Am I the only one who -liked- mine? I did it, but never got a response! Nuppy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 08:35:58 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: John Cale James: > PS - Lenny Kravitz??? Yeah, me too. I sympathize, brother. But it does take some of the sting out of never getting to be a rawk star, doesn't it? +brian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:41:02 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Grimsby On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, matt sewell wrote: > (just to digress for a second, anyone have any idea why RH dislikes Led > Zep? ISTR a quote where he lays into them...) The last line of 1974 makes his feeling fairly clear. I'm not at all surprised that he should dislike a macho, saurian edifice like the New Yardbirds. I'm not too keen on them myself, but I do have a copy of 'Communication Breakdown' on an Atlantic sampler. > thankfully no Dave bloody Gilmour... Isn't that a bit harsh? I was even half-considering going to see him at the South Bank. - - Mike Godwin PS I see Hugh Cornwell is booked to play in Woolley in a couple of weeks. Does he still do a lot of gigs, or is this a one-off? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:49:44 -0400 From: John McIntyre Subject: Re: cale suggestions "Bachman, Michael" wrote: > Paris 1919 is the first John Cale cd to get. It's the only one I have, > and I based the purschase on hearing a couple of the cuts on the radio and > from the Trouser Press Record Guide. Ah, but that's the softer side of Cale, sorta like _I Often Dream Of Trains_. If you want the rancy Soft Boy side, try _Helen Of Troy_ or the live _Sabatoge_. Or for one of the all-time over the top performances, score the Kevin Ayers, Nico, John Cale, and Eno album _June 1, 1974_ and hear the definitive version of "Heartbreak Hotel". (-8 The backing band is sloppy, under rehearsed and over medicated, but talk about "when the Spirit moves you." John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:00:12 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Muvver tongue On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, James Dignan wrote: > Blame the Normans. After 1066, French-based words were seen as more > posh, more high falutin', whatever. They were the words of the > aristocracy. Because of that, we have near-synonymous (or not so near) > pairs of 'low' and 'high' words in English, the high almost always > being from the French: napkin/serviette; odds and ends/bric-a-brac; > knowhow/savoir faire; happiness/joie de vivre; build/fabricate; > newcomer/arriviste; go-between/entrepreneur... And unlike other languages, meats are French, but the animals are English. This is because the villeins and cottars never saw the output of all their hard work! Examples beef (boeuf) and cattle; mutton (mouton) and sheep; veal (veau) and calves. However, lamb remains lamb, not agneau, presumably because the Normans didn't eat it so young. - Mike Godwin PS Are those Quebecois related to the Normans? I note that they both retain the L which is replaced by a circumflex in Modern Fr. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:11:45 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: Grimsby Mike, you are uterly wet and a weed ;-) (apologies for you getting this insult twice!) Christ, I thought everyone liked LZ... macho and saurian they certainly are, but a perfect combination of guitar riff mastery over possibly the most powerful (OK, maybe even heavy-handed) rhythm section with a dash of folk whimsy and the odd hilarious lyric (meeting a girl in Mordor and then Gollum and Sauron kidnapping her? Eh?) - something for erm, everybody... As for Dave Gilmour - what a disgrace - he can't even be bothered to learn Estuary English! And lastly to Hugh Cornwell - he's done a few tours over the past few years, apparently well worth seeing, although I must admit to having lunched out his last couple of gigs in Oxford.... chiz, curses &c... Cheers! Matt "digging Led Zepplin - in Grimsby if necessary!" Sewell >From: Michael R Godwin >Reply-To: Michael R Godwin >To: Just outside Ampney Crucis >Subject: Re: Grimsby >Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:41:02 +0100 (BST) > >On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, matt sewell wrote: > > (just to digress for a second, anyone have any idea why RH dislikes Led > > Zep? ISTR a quote where he lays into them...) > >The last line of 1974 makes his feeling fairly clear. I'm not at all >surprised that he should dislike a macho, saurian edifice like the New >Yardbirds. I'm not too keen on them myself, but I do have a copy of >'Communication Breakdown' on an Atlantic sampler. > > > thankfully no Dave bloody Gilmour... > >Isn't that a bit harsh? I was even half-considering going to see him at >the South Bank. > > >- Mike Godwin > >PS I see Hugh Cornwell is booked to play in Woolley in a couple of weeks. >Does he still do a lot of gigs, or is this a one-off? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:00:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Important reminder ohGr, featuring Ogre and cEvin from Skinny Puppy, is playing in DC tonight! It's at The Cage, 1811 14th St. NW, $25 at the door and worth every penny. No one should miss this show. Look for me there; I'll be the one in black. show info: QT video for "Cracker": - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 08:53:40 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: the Soft Boys' last series and _The Guardian_ said... http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4172722,00.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 18:27:20 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Grimsby matt sewell wrote: > > Christ, I thought everyone liked LZ... I don't think I've ever actually heard any of their stuff, to be honest. Stewart "Lenny Kravitz?????/Teddy Roosevelt!!!!!" Russell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 13:34:51 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: Inner rawk star On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, s.mary wrote: > >http://www.emode.com/tests/rockstar/auth/nonpt_reg.jsp > > Thanks for reposting the url. I remember visiting it now but didn't go past > the first page where they wanted your email address. and it wants to set cookies, too. no thanks! - -- d. np bicycle thieves "a" = i do what i am told. i am not opinionated. i accept without | dmw@ = questioning. i do not make a fuss. i am a good consumer. |radix.net = pathetic-caverns.com * fecklessbeast.com * shoddyworkmanship.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:46:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: Grimsby On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > matt sewell wrote: > > > > Christ, I thought everyone liked LZ... > > I don't think I've ever actually heard any of their stuff, to be honest. > > Stewart "Lenny Kravitz?????/Teddy Roosevelt!!!!!" Russell STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN????? ROCK AND ROLL???? WHOLE LOTTA LOVE???? ***************************************************************************** There is no question that there is an unseen world. The problem is, how far is it from midtown and how late is it open? - -Woody Allen, Examining Psychic Phenomena ***************************************************************************** Stephen Mahoney Multnomah County Library at Rockwood branch clerk stephenm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us 503-988-5396 fax 503-988-5178 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:12:34 -0600 From: "Daniel Gackle" Subject: John Cale and Robyn (was RE: cale suggestions) > any suggestion as to what john cale cds or specific songs a robyn fan might > like? i don't know much of his stuff but i do like buffalo ballet and > hallelujah (of course). Ooh. Ooh. Gotta delurk on this one - I'm a huge admirer of Cale as well as RH, both of whom I discovered as a teenager and listened to obsessively in the way that one does at that age. Melissa, I am glad you brought this up, you have caused me to enjoyably waste my time thinking about two of my favorite musicians. Everybody: I beg pardon for wasting your time (or digest space at any rate) as well. I hate writing long posts but I can't help myself this time! I love all the Cale albums mentioned. To them I would add: (1) Slow Dazzle, which is Cale as intense rock-and-roller, but with some of his more accessible songs, and also has the only Robyn connection I am aware of: his gothic/electric arrangement of Heartbreak Hotel, which was covered by the Soft Boys, with typical Robyn emendations ("the desk clerk's dressed in pus / he's been so long on Lonely Street, but that isn't unjust / No, he deserves it!"). (2) Perhaps the most representative John Cale album is "Fear", which combines his aggressive and lyrical sides. This is the album which made Patti Smith want him to produce her debut. (3) "Fragments of a Rainy Season" does a good job of capturing Cale's cabaret-style performances with solo piano, if that's the side of him you're attracted to. Other than that I recommend you avoid anything later than about 1985; Cale's later work is more erratic (and he has branched off into other media like film soundtracks and performance pieces anyway). Speaking of covers, you may have noticed that Cale is one of the most gifted re-workers of songs ever. This is especially true of "Hallelujah," which Cale re-did for a Leonard Cohen tribute album in 1991 or so, and really brought to life (who was aware of the wonders in that song? the original recording does a good job of appearing rather dull, Cohen by rote). To me it's an astonishing example of Cale's genius, as well as a perfect example of his distinctive combination of emotion and precision, beauty and austerity. I dwell on this because it sort of bugs me that certain other persons have received more credit than Cale for what he did. However, that is quite typical of John Cale: he has blended into the cultural ambience a lot more than most people realize. It's funny though - apart from being highly talented (okay, and both being Pisces) Cale and RH have very little in common. Surprisingly little, and I never noticed this before. Robyn: Beatlesque melody and song structure; the oft-mentioned psychedelia; a marked trad/folk strain... Lennon, Dylan, Syd... none of that in Cale. Largely consistent in style and persona over 25 years, quite unlike Cale. A classic English wit and eccentric with a flair for the surreal/absurd/grotesque, and at the same time thoroughly a rationalist (this is an utterly English combination... e.g. Peter Greenaway). Again: very little of any of that in Cale (except for a willingness to use grotesque). A goofy if cerebral hilarity that is largely verbal in nature - totally absent from Cale, who would never write anything like: "All of her fingertips burst into flames / All she could say was 'oh extinguish them James'" A political orientation which is quite unambiguous, though appearing only sporadically in his songs. Nothing about Cale is unambiguous. Cale: classical European musical structures, an avant-garde aesthetic, a drawing on the dark and mythic side of the American South (and West) - blues, Elvis, etc. - more in spirit than in his sound (comparable to Nick Cave in this respect). None of that in Robyn really. A penchant for musical and emotional chaos that is definitely unlike Robyn - yet balanced with a romantic (in the musical sense) gorgeousness and inspiredness that makes him truly unique. There is always the sense that Cale has soul, and also *a* soul, -- which sort of redeems the negative/chaotic side of his work. Most other avant-nihilist rockers seem shallow and empty to me by comparison. (Iggy has soul too, doesn't he - but that's another opera, as the Russians say). Both of them are brilliant with language as well as music - but in completely different ways. Both are improvisers, but in completely different ways. Robyn is Robyn is Robyn; Cale is the sort of artist who brings things into being by absenting himself from his work. Both are known for their covers, but Robyn's covers are Robynizations, whereas Cale's are sort of "uncoverings" of mysteries hidden within the original. Cale has described himself as "essentially a collaborator". There is an aspect of midwifery to his work; he facilitates and blends with others. He has been an active (and extremely influential) producer as well as allowing his work to be fruitfully produced by others. These things could not be less true of RH. Personal opinion: I feel that Robyn, brilliant as he is, would be a much greater artist if he could let go more and allow his talents to merge with others'. He seems to jealously guard his vision, like an imaginative child with a solitary game that no one else is allowed to play. Even the Soft Boys reunion has been described by him as "it will always be basically me fronting a band" (not an exact quote). I noticed this on the tour as well. Great show, great songs, great musicians, great guys - but very much four separate individuals, not a band, and in my belief the reason for this is because Robyn wants it that way. (Of course, I don't claim to "know" this, it's just an impression and could very well be full of shit.) I would be surprised if the new Soft Boys album is anything other than the next Robyn album with more guitar. As a longtime fan, to me that is too bad - I welcome the guitar sound, but I think there's a creative potential there which is probably going to go unrealized, in favor of Robyn's holding pattern. The fact that it may be a damn good holding pattern isn't the point. I think this aspect of RH is really pertinent to his work - he seems to have a nostalgia for the opportunity to shut out everybody and everything else (creatively) - IODOT is extremely representative of this (and it's certainly one of the best things he ever did). The downside to this is a kind of pinched and crabby quality which for all of its creativity is unable to tap into anything larger than itself and thus can never transcend itself artistically. I hesitate to use the term "egotism" because I'm talking only of an aesthetic matter (on a personal level, Cale has shown far more signs of what you might call egotism, to put it mildly). "Insularity" may be a better word. If my comments favor Cale over Robyn, it is only in this one respect, the sense of self-limitedness about the latter (and I say this as someone who could, and would, and for that matter has, happily sung Robyn songs all day). Compare Shakespeare to Sterne. Perhaps equally brilliant, but the one includes everything except himself, whereas the other includes nothing but himself. That sort of gets at what I have in mind. (Disclaimer: that is totally not intended to be a complete analogy, I am not comparing John Cale to Shakespeare; please!) - - Daniel only now realizing that I actually referred to crabs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 13:13:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Marshall Needleman Armintor Subject: Sexy Beast/DVD region query Went to sneak preview for _Sexy Beast_ last night (free passes, hey!) and if you even thought this sounded remotely good when you first heard about it, go. Snappy, entertaining, and doesn't waste your time or rely on superficial action. There are a lot of myopic comparisons to Tarantino out there already, and the feel of some sections of it owes something to _Reservoir Dogs_, but it's more like Mike Leigh than QT, except Leigh would've made it three hours long as opposed to a bit shy of 90 minutes. Ben Kingsley gets the plummest of parts, but everybody else in the movie's up to his level, or close to it. Since there seem to be a lot of cinephiles on this list scattered around the world, I've a got a question about the legality of bypassing DVD region codes. At bottom, we all know it's way for giant Hollywood studios to stagger the release of their product, but does importing a Region 3 copy of _Crouching Tiger_ to pop in your region-free player while it's still playing here in the US constitue some kind of copyright violation? I know that a few years back New Zealand outlawed all region coding, seeing it as price-fixing in diguise, and required that all played imported into the country be made code-free (but I think they've reversed that decision lately). Just looking for y'all's opinions (I'm working on a library-related thing); the dvd-discuss list seems primarily focused on DeCSS issues, and there's not much discussion on this there. Feel free to email me privately. Marshall np Joe Henry, _Scar_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 13:28:12 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: Sexy Beast/DVD region query Marshall Armintor writes: >...does importing a Region 3 copy of _Crouching Tiger_ >to pop in your region-free player while it's still playing >here in the US constitue some kind of copyright >violation? Absolutely, unequivocally, definitely not, in any way whatsoever, so help me gawd. (Certain people in the entertainment biz would like you to think otherwise, of course.) JH3 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 19:53:09 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Grimsby On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Stephen Mahoney wrote: > STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN????? > ROCK AND ROLL???? > WHOLE LOTTA LOVE???? Yes, those ring some bells with me, but obviously not with Stewart. I must have seen them about 4 times: the most impressive moment was when Page came to the end of a slide solo at Bath Pav (on Dazed & Confused, possibly) and just threw his hand up. The slide flew away and _was caught by a roadie employed for the purpose_. Wow! I did like that Immigrant Song, though, specially the bit from Rodgers and Hammerstein's "Bali Hai"... - - Mike Godwin PS But as golden moments of rock 'n' roll go, nothing they ever did compared with that blackout at a BOC gig - when the lights came up, Albert Bouchard was playing the drum solo _wearing a giant dinosaur head_!!! You don't see the 3 Tenors give that kind of value for money ... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:13:24 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Nuggets II I'd be curious to know if Mike Godwin has any thoughts on Rhino's new Nuggets box (which intentionally contains no American acts, and focuses on European sounds). If you go to http://www.rhino.com, you can easily find the entire set of track-by-track liner notes...sorry, don't have the exact link saved. Eb PS Interesting post on Cale/Robyn, Daniel. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:13:49 -0700 From: "victorian squid" Subject: Re: Grimsby On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:11:45 matt sewell wrote: >Christ, I thought everyone liked LZ... Everyone doesn't. >macho and saurian they certainly And heavy-handed and bombastic, and obsessively, horribly tediously phallocentric. Also the lyrics are so 6th form "deep, man". Like, wow, we're down to seeds and we're buying the stairway to heavy, I mean like heaven, man. Dude. That's so sweet. loveonya, susan Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:40:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Cooke Subject: Re: Nuggets II On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Eb wrote: > I'd be curious to know if Mike Godwin has any thoughts on Rhino's new > Nuggets box (which intentionally contains no American acts, and focuses on > European sounds). > I just unwrapped the box and I'm playing disc 1 on shitty PC speakers at hush hush volume at work - it sounds brilliant. The packaging, especially the book and liner notes, are really terrific. I grew up listening to Radio Caroline and Radio Luxembourg (and Radio 1) in the 1970s, and had heard a few of these songs before, but you can't beat the selection. They rejected 1,000 possibles when compiling the box - nothing but gems on here. I've been collecting records since the mid-70s as well - this set is like a dream come true for me! First the Stooges Funhouse box last year, now this - all hail Rhino! Stefan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:46:24 -0500 From: "Mike wells" Subject: Re: Grimsby > And heavy-handed and bombastic, and obsessively, horribly tediously phallocentric. > Also the lyrics are so 6th form "deep, man". Like, wow, we're down to seeds and we're > buying the stairway to heavy, I mean like heaven, man. Dude. That's so sweet. Easy now. If "Immigrant Song" from LZIII was a jock rocker, then "Tangerine" and "Gallows Pole" were not. If LZII"s "Lemon Song" was phallocentric ode to oral sex, "Ramble On" was the opposite. If Physical Graffiti's "Kashmir" was overblown bombast then the same album's "Night Flight" and "Down by the Seaside" were the complete antithses. It's way too easy to dismiss them with the "bombastic stoner" label without acknowledging how much of their stuff was utterly brilliant and outside the mold...and how much of it was an amazing synthesis of styles and not simply the white-man blues ripoffs people ragged them for. "Bron-Yr-Aur" and "Black Mountain Side?" Tasty Celtic-and-Arabic influenced acoustic guitar pieces. "South Bound Suarez?" Try those time signatures on for size. And as for "Stairway," see Herbert von Karajan's famous quote when asked what the Berlin Philharmonic would change about the song were they to perform it. Yes, there was more than enough male-rock-God going around at the time, and LZ were the kings - a fact the band's media machine actively encouraged. It does not, however, mean that their output can so easily be classified and the musical legacy tainted by slapping oversimplified generalizations on them. Or something like that. Michael who still thinks "Rock & Roll" has one of the top 10 guitar solos of all time ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 21:57:54 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Grimsby Stephen Mahoney wrote: > > STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN????? I think I've heard a bit of this, once. > ROCK AND ROLL???? that's a Velvets track to me. > WHOLE LOTTA LOVE???? nope, sorry, blank drawn. Everyone loves Neutral Milk Hotel. They just don't know it yet. Stewart ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #250 ********************************