From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #244 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, June 17 2001 Volume 10 : Number 244 Today's Subjects: ----------------- We could've been called "The shoes" [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: new mp3 format released [Tom Clark ] Re: We could've been called "The shoes" [Eb ] Re: edyoukashun [Stephen Mahoney ] Re: We could've been called "The shoes" [Stephen Mahoney ] Re: We could've been called "The shoes" [Stephen Mahoney ] Re: Political compass [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Song Question [/dev/woj ] Re: Warping thru Time [/dev/woj ] secret soft boys gig [/dev/woj ] Re: who're you calling forty?? ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: sports roundup ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Quanta ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Get Dumb ["Tigger Lily" ] Re: We could've been called "The shoes" [Stephen Mahoney ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 12:01:34 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: We could've been called "The shoes" >On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, James Dignan wrote: >> well it was common in the UK before I moved to NZ in 1975... and it's >> certainly common here, too, as is "is that your shoe size or your IQ?" > >That surprises me because when we buy shoes here with "european >sizing" the numbers are quite large. > >For example, my Mephistos are size 42 while my Chuck Taylors are size 10. the biggest pair of shoes I've ever seen is size sixteen. My feet are regarded as pretty large, and I take size elevens (feet 28cm from tip of toe to heel). Never heard of any system that goes up to size 42 - it's simply 1-13, then 1-whatever. 42 would be biiiig. James (wondering how we got round to comparing foot sizes. What next?!) James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:06:34 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: new mp3 format released on 6/15/01 4:32 PM, Capuchin at capuchin@bitmine.net wrote: > On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, bayard wrote: >> http://formen.ign.com/news/35808.html > > I don't see anything really compelling or interesting here. > > Perhaps it's my cynicism, but I can't help but think something's > up... especially when RCA is involved. > > I'm quite tempted to move to OGG for my audio, but MP3 is pretty heavily > indoctrinated (I can't think or choose words right now). > I did some tests today and found no discernable loss in quality over the same file encoded as MP3 at 192kbps. As a matter of fact, the MP3Pro file sounded a little better, and at 1/3 the file size. This was just a quick one-off test, so YMMV, of course. We'll have to see what becomes of the format, i.e., do some more testing to determine quality, backward compatibility, etc... But it would be great for portable players at least. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:22:49 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: We could've been called "The shoes" >James (wondering how we got round to comparing foot sizes. What next?!) I have quite large hands (I can easily span an eleventh on the piano), and yet my feet (size 10 1/2 or 11) aren't big at all, considering my height. I'm not sure what this incongruity implies about my sexual prowess, or about anything else. ;) Eb, wondering if L.A. will be in flames in another few hours now ehhing: Gorillaz + Radio Birdman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:21:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: edyoukashun this one put me on the floor, rolling in laughter!!!!! god do you think that some prof of my past has put my confused answers from an exam in which I chose to drink instead of study into a website with other equally embarassing answers and is sharing this with some people in some music newsgroup somewhere? ......nah, couldnt happen! > 5. Describe the McCollough effect and explain how it could be mediated by adaptation in the visual system. Put more simply, imagine a childs drink brought from Cobb and Co (eg a traffic light with out orange.) The drink has equal amounts of green and red liquid in it (this represents the equilibrium in the visual system) Now when adaptation takes place and the red verticle bars flash. the cones in they get used to the red and thus in the Glass analogy some of the red liquid is drunk and so more Green liguid remains (and the opposite occurs when the horizontal bars appear when the white and black bars then are shown in the test phase the eye has adapted to Pink in verticle lines and green in horizontal lines so their is more green liquid when verticle lines are viewed and thus they appear green, and there is more red liquid when horizontal lines are viewed so horizontal lines appear pinkish. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:26:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: We could've been called "The shoes" > >For example, my Mephistos are size 42 while my Chuck Taylors are size 10. chuck taylors??? god those give ya flat feet but fast! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 12:28:03 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: edyoukashun >Put more simply, imagine a childs drink brought from Cobb and Co (eg a >traffic light with out orange.) The drink has equal amounts of green and >red liquid in it (this represents the equilibrium in the visual system) >Now when adaptation takes place and the red verticle bars flash. the cones >in they get used to the red and thus in the Glass analogy some of the red >liquid is drunk and so more Green liguid remains (and the opposite occurs >when the horizontal bars appear >when the white and black bars then are shown in the test phase the eye has >adapted to Pink in verticle lines and green in horizontal lines so their >is more green liquid >when verticle lines are viewed and thus they appear green, and there is >more red liquid when horizontal lines are viewed so horizontal lines >appear pinkish. that's the one - you'd definitely get better marks for that than by saying "This process occurs for a period of time until the individual thinks nothing of it and does not think any further about it". And no, not Colleen "Thorn Birds" McCullough! James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:28:00 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: We could've been called "The shoes" on 6/15/01 5:22 PM, Eb at ElBroome@earthlink.net wrote: > Eb, wondering if L.A. will be in flames in another few hours I'm no psychic, but I would say "yes". I wouldn't be surprised if folks were gearing up for the action already. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 12:36:53 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Quanta >> > Quantum Ille Canis Est En Fenestra >> >> does this mean that you are really appreciative of viewing a transgendered >> dog through a window or that the dog has a realy nice ass? >> please translate, my Latin sucks, as it should. > >I believe it would be loosely translated as "How much is that doggie in >the window?" I believe also that it is the motto of the school of Molesworth, Fothering-Thomas, etc. >> putting in the 3rd axis then Im a Kaos Kristian(scuse me--my shoe is >> ringing.) >> (bet no one undr 40 gets -that- one;-) Ah, the old putting-in-the-third-axis trick! And I'm not 40 for a coupla years yet! >Agent 99 was the first woman for whom I had "the hots." (does that count >as on-topic?) hm. believe it or not, Paula Wilcox (Chrissy from "Man about the house"). I didn't see the Avengers until much later, but yes... Diana Rigg... Barbara Feldon never really did it for me though. Do I suspect a new thread developing? >ahem -- we have a completely different legal system in Scotland than >England... I've been sat in the middle of it for more than the last >week. They still haven't washed their wigs. aye. Just exactly what the hell is a Procurator Fiscal, anyway? James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:41:19 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: We could've been called "The shoes" > > Eb, wondering if L.A. will be in flames in another few hours > >I'm no psychic, but I would say "yes". I wouldn't be surprised if folks >were gearing up for the action already. > > >-tc For a town that is supposed to be really mellow, LA sems to do these things. It has never happened in Philly(I know, I know, it requires winning). Go Sixers! Max np - G Love And Special Sauce, I-76 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:55:08 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: Re: new mp3 format released On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Capuchin wrote: > On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, bayard wrote: > > http://formen.ign.com/news/35808.html > > I don't see anything really compelling or interesting here. > > Perhaps it's my cynicism, but I can't help but think something's > up... especially when RCA is involved. i knew you were going to say that. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:52:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: We could've been called "The shoes" On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Maximilian Lang wrote: > > For a town that is supposed to be really mellow, LA sems to do these things. > It has never happened in Philly(I know, I know, it requires winning). mellow????LA??????? hmmmmmm........dont think so! went to school with one of those "mellow types" who told me about carrying numb chucks and knives to school in LA with him to protect himself- that was in the late 70's. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:14:45 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: We could've been called "The shoes" On Friday, June 15, 2001, at 07:26 PM, Stephen Mahoney wrote: > chuck taylors??? god those give ya flat feet but fast! We must suffer for fashion. - - Steve __________ "we must therefore reject the central animating idea of modern Establishment Clause analysis: that taxpayers have a constitutional right to insist that none of their taxes be used for religious purposes." - Michael McConnell, Bush Circuit Court nominee ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:09:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Political compass Miles Goosens wrote: > Jeff Dwarf wrote: > >"Class background determines peoples' consciousness more than their > >membership of a particular nation." > > > >history (especially in the 20th century) has shown this to not be > >terribly true; once WWI started german workers became germans first > >and british workers became british first, etc. it's matter of > >interpreting history, not of socio-political philosophy. > > I didn't think this was one of the bad questions, even if it was a > sort of standard "commie/economic determinist" detector. I just got > done taking the methodology to task, but it's determining *your* > tendencies. In your case, sounds like you'd answer "disagree" > or "strongly disagree" and you'd be accurately pegged, at least on > this one issue. well, yes, i think i did answer strongly disagree, but not because i think people should think country first, but because they do so. a better question to determine a person's general politcal belief system would have been a "should ..." question rather than the one acutally asked. > As for WWI, as the slaughter went on to no visible end, every > European army was faced with soldiers "striking" and the threat of > revolution at home. The French government put down a huge rebellion > in the ranks in 1917, even though a "nationalism uber alles" theory > would dictate that the French would be the *most* committed of the > western combatants, since the Germans were occupying their sacred > soil 'n' all. Russia *did* collapse [spin-a-rama, just for space] but at the start of the war, most people immediately fell into a sense of being of their nation rather than their class. being French, etc was more important than being Prolotariat. and even these examples you give are more about class intra-nationally. while people regained a sense of class, they still thought of themselves by nation first. there was no sudden alliance between german and french working class against the bourgeousie, etc. ===== "Loyalty to a petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul." Mark Twain "For every fatal shooting, there were roughly three non-fatal shootings. And, folks, this is unacceptable in America. It's just unacceptable. And we're going to do something about it." George W. Bush, May 14, 2001 Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 01:42:02 -0400 From: /dev/woj Subject: Re: Song Question when we last left our heroes, Stephen Mahoney exclaimed: >On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, dmw wrote: >> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Stephen Mahoney wrote: >> > i repeat myself when i'm under stress i repeat myself when i'm under >> > stress but... >> stolen from jim's big ego. www.bigego.com. seems to me like his audience >> ought to have some overlap w/ robyn's. other than me, that is. >nah, its a king crimson lyric from "indiscipline" tentative thread-tier-together: an early (the first?) incarnation of jim's big ego featured a stick player. woj ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 01:37:18 -0400 From: /dev/woj Subject: Re: Warping thru Time when we last left our heroes, Tigger Lily exclaimed: >First of all I want to explain/apologize bout the repetative Bball messages >showing up recently but really from quite a few days ago. [...] >Its either Woj or syncronisity but--Lets do the Time Warp Again. just to assuage kay (and in case anyone else was wondering), that was me. her two notes triggered majordomo's administrivia filter, which effectively quarantines messages that could be mis-directed majordomo commands. messages which get caught by the filter have to be manually approved. normally, that happens quickly since i'm usually paying attention but i was in california for the past week and, as it turned out, at a phone-less hotel. i didn't mind the lack of communication but it meant that kay's messages languished longer than they would have otherwise. sorry about that.... woj "12 in 1980, lefty libertarian, thinks _the flat earth_ is one of the greatest albums of all time" the wojster ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 01:53:02 -0400 From: /dev/woj Subject: secret soft boys gig when we last left our heroes, Poole, R. Edward exclaimed: >Sayeth UM.com: Something surprising will be happening in October. Also >something predictable to those who followed the tour diary >. also worth noting this other tidbit from the um.com news page: free! (probably) 6/14/2001 On July 20th the Soft Boys will be playing a secret, unnanounced gig near the Clerkenwell in London. This will probably be free and probably be around 7:00 P.M. Since they've been rehearsing new songs they'll probably be playing some of them. Probably. anyone have any ideas about where this might actually be taking place? woj ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 23:51:00 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: who're you calling forty?? on 6/15/01 11:16 AM, Larry Tucker at ltucker@townofchapelhill.org wrote: > |-----Original Message----- > |From: dmw [mailto:dmw@radix.net] > | > |Agent 99 was the first woman for whom I had "the hots." (does > |that count > |as on-topic?) > > For me, most definitely Emma Peel from the Avengers. Mine was probably Lynda Carter from Wonder Woman. Other early crushes included Victoria Principal (why, I'm not sure) and Connie Sellecca. - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 14:31:38 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: sports roundup James Dignan wrote: > > nah - that's curling. Played by strange human penguins in Scotland, Canada, > and inland from here. No fair. How could penguins hold brooms, let alone sweep? And whoever said it was played with "a small metal vacumn cleaner" has obviously never hurled the 56lb of granite that is a curling stone for a strike shot... Stewart (vice captain, Hutchesons' Grammar School curling team, 1986-87) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:27:48 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Quanta James Dignan wrote: > > aye. Just exactly what the hell is a Procurator Fiscal, anyway? The state collector of fines and decider of charges, of course. The name actually says it all, if you think about it. The PF is generally known as the "prosecutin' fiscal" in Glasgow. It's not as obscure as the "macer", or court dogsbody, who has to pick up the productions (evidence) to show to the witness. He carries the judge's ceremonial mace into the court. Stewart (who know understands how and why the way that street value is calculated...) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:36:05 -0000 From: "Tigger Lily" Subject: Get Dumb I wrote, then Doug wrote: >>putting in the 3rd axis then Im a Kaos Kristian(scuse me--my shoe >>is >>ringing.) (bet no one undr 40 gets -that- one;-) Eh, sorry about that, Chief. Agent 99 was the first woman for whom I had "the hots." (does that count as on-topic?) Doug--you just led me in to one of the great ridiculous tie-ins of Feg history. Reality's impersonator is now rolling up her sleeves and grinning like a melon slice. But it does tie-in my dear, and Im not even talking bout the Soft Boys hots thing. Now--Im talking bout the mystic trip of the magical #99. For the number of -our- beast is 99--Robyn Rowen Hitchcock using basic 1-A, 9-I then starting wirh J again at 1 numerology. So see, when you noticed agent 99 it was just a presaging of your future fate. Such is destiny. Such is my abilty to connect anything to anything;-) And besides, Ive always thought Barbara Feldon looked alot like Claudine Longet. What if on a time-warped rerun they lower the cone of silence and its been decorated Robyn-style:-). Stewart It never occured to me that one of my favorite mind-playgrounds was being corrupted by marketing(doh)! Everything is corrupted by marketing; its just such a hateful fact I guess Id prefer to ignore it. But "doh" may actually deserve inclusion if the prevelance of its use counts for anything. Plus--its a handy word. Slang only sticks if it fills a need. "Doh" communicates a sentence-worth of meaning in one phrase. I see that as a plus. And please send on a kiss to your senior lexicographer. James, I agree with everything you have to say about education since as a librarian I am constantly asked to perform miracles with the utterly uneducated who have supposidly been educated for almost 2 decades. They're funny, pathetic and contemptable yet--this is they're world. People who have no idea how to construct a rational argument nor why it would be desirable to do so. Oh dear, I feel a rant coming on. Abort. Abort. >nah - that's curling. Played by strange human penguins in Scotland, > >Canada,and inland from here. Oh, and by the Beatles in the movie >"Help!" Right, now I remember. Curling is actually also played by strange human penguins in the US. I know this as ones a friend.;-) Miles, if you have the time I would love to hear why you favor Fitzgerald over Hemingway. I do too but I bet we have different reasons and it would be interesting to hear yours. Kay, who will drink nothing but water from now on("Water is composed of two gins, Oxygin and Hydrogin. Oxygin is pure gin Hydrogin is gin and water."( But then whats a gin and tonic? Toxigin)? n.r. Alain de Botton's "Consolation of Philosophy." Simple but fun. And Its reawaked my crush on Montaigne. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 13:30:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: We could've been called "The shoes" On Friday, June 15, 2001, at 07:26 PM, Stephen Mahoney wrote: > > > chuck taylors??? god those give ya flat feet but fast! > > We must suffer for fashion. I dropped one fashion for another now I do yoga and go to my network chiropractor (rosanne cash, the man in blacks daughter goes to network chiropractors religously) yeah I know its a bit too new age-y sounding for most, but all I can say is that I walk with my feet pointing directly in front of me and have alot less lower back pain. ***************************************************************************** The body consists of three parts -- the brainium, the borax, and the abominable cavity. The brainium contains the brain, the borax contains the heart and lungs, and the abominable cavity contains the bowels, of which there are five -- a,e,i, o, and u. ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 21:40:39 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: Re: aye carumba! FWIW, CNN is reporting it too: http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/06/14/english.newwords/index.html also added: "the full monty", "shopaholism, "big beat", and "six-pack" (as in abs.) ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #244 ********************************