From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #239 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, June 13 2001 Volume 10 : Number 239 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: When Gene Wilder was funny [Stephen Mahoney ] Re: hackin' and coffin [Tom Clark ] Robyn Hitchcock at the 100 Club (fwd) [bayard ] Re: Oh no, not politics again! ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: xtc mp3 [bayard ] Re: Robyn Hitchcock at the 700 Club (fwd) [Stephen Mahoney ] kids and leftist libertarians and fucking Sugar Ray [Jill Brand ] Ftz? [Eb ] "Playin Bball outside of tha school" ["Dimple Burrows of Tuckborough" Subject: Re: When Gene Wilder was funny > I'm going in a couple of weeks, I'll post a review. The movie is one of > my all time favorites. mine too!!!!! geez just call me tony benn, whoever he is????? libertarian leftist mahoney anagram: MacDonalds = Clam and Sod Stephen Mahoney Multnomah County Library at Rockwood branch clerk stephenm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us 503-988-5396 fax 503-988-5178 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:36:32 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: hackin' and coffin on 6/13/01 1:34 PM, Aaron Mandel at aaron@eecs.harvard.edu wrote: > McGrath has become sort of a fixture on VH1, and he seems to be smarter > than his music. Not brilliant, not secretly underground, but sort of a pop > geek (if memory serves, he ran the 'new wave' category as a contestant on > Rock'N'Roll Jeopardy) and competent to be a VJ (can read without > stumbling, etc.) Apparently McGrath won the RnR Jeopardy celeb tourney 3 years in a row. However, he was beaten in a rock trivia contest by Hank The Angry Drunken Dwarf on the Howard Stern Show yesterday. Take THAT, pretty boy! That is all. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:53:42 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: Robyn Hitchcock at the 100 Club (fwd) Apologies if this has been posted - I've not been reading the list too closely. The attachment has been placed here: http://glasshotel.net/gh/ephemera/JUNE2001.jpg ..and right colourful it is too! - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:03:56 +0100 From: Turns Admin Subject: Robyn Hitchcock at the 100 Club > Please forward this email on to anyone you think would be interested in > coming to the final night of the season of Club Senseless "Goes West" on > THURSDAY 21ST JUNE > The club that over the last year has brought you Phill Jupitus, Neil Innes, > John Cooper Clarke, John Hegley, Rich Hall, Al Murray, Bill Bailey, Barry > Cryer and most recently the bizarre spectacle of HARRY HILL performing > "Teenage Dirtbag". > > RONNIE AND THE REX & MC: RONNIE GOLDEN > "England's greatest party band" - Rolling Stone. The new album "Return of > the Fabulous Poodle" is available in shops now. We will be featuring the > CHALLENGE THE BAND section in the show - ever wanted to hear "It's Raining > Men" sung in the style of Limp Bizkit? Just ask for it. > > ROBYN HITCHCOCK > Singer/songwriter extraordinaire, ex-Softboy, ex-Egyptian, still a major > influence on REM. "If it weren't for our rib cages, it would just be > spleens a go-go". Robyn will be performing solo and with the Rex. "People > say I'm obsessed with sex and death and fish," sighs Robyn, "I just think > those are the main things." > > SIMON MUNNERY > The League Against Tedium himself - "A deeply original act. After all, which > other comedian can you imagine engaging in a philosophical knock-knock gag > with the animated image of Wittgenstein?" James Rampton, Independent > "Many are prepared to suffer for their art. Few are prepared to learn to > draw" Simon Munnery. > > PAUL FOOT > " Foot is Kenneth Williams on acid, a hilarious camp combination of > pedantry, bluff, innuendo and surreal non sequiturs. Too young to be this > funny." - The Scotsman "Britain's brightest new comic talent ... clearly > destined greatness" - The Face > > Followed by more dancing with the band and Club Senseless' own DJ - the > eclectic lounge lizard that is BORIS McNAB > > EARLY BOOKING ADVISED > Doors open at 8pm, show starts 8.30pm. > The music, comedy and bar carry on till 1am > The 100 Club, 100 Oxford Street, London W1. > Tickets #10/#8 - booking line 020 8800 6961 > Call Steve Ullathorne at Turns for more details ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:54:02 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Oh no, not politics again! At 05:20 PM 6/13/01 -0400, Christopher Gross wrote: >(Maybe the questionnaire >assumes that anyone who strongly disagrees with astrology is also to the >right on economic questions?) I answered that question the same way, and ended up with a -6.73 score on the Economic Left/Right scale, and a -7.96 on the Authoritarian/Libertarian one. I think that question is there to test how Reaganesque you are. I was thinking my traditionally "moderate/right" responses on the crime and punishment questions might push my dot a bit further up and to the right, but surprisingly it fell pretty low. - --Jason "red like a tomato flavored tortilla" Thornton "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:04:00 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: Re: xtc mp3 On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, steve wrote: > Some kind folk have put up three live shows and the infamous drunken > studio sessions. There are links to all from here - > > http://www.orangetwin.com/drunken/fabfoursomeinphilly.html thanks, steve! hey, and sir demon brown is a glass flesh contributor, ex- of Elf Power (and of the feglist.) it's a small web after all. =b ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:59:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: Robyn Hitchcock at the 700 Club (fwd) wait a minute!!!!! what does hitchcock have in common with pat robertson??? > > The 100 Club, 100 Oxford Street, London W1. > > Tickets #10/#8 - booking line 020 8800 6961 > > Call Steve Ullathorne at Turns for more details oh nevermind! anagram: MacDonalds = Clam and Sod Stephen Mahoney Multnomah County Library at Rockwood branch clerk stephenm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us 503-988-5396 fax 503-988-5178 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 00:24:39 +0200 From: "SIMPSON,HAMISH (A-Scotland,ex1)" Subject: Re: Oh no, not politics again! >Now theres a political site to tell you who you -really- are. >Hey--its a fun way to waste time. >Its at: > www.politicalcompass.org I always kinda promised I'd never get involved in such way-off-topic stuff but the damn thing just tipped my curiosity over the edge. I'm pleased to say (but then I would be if I filled it in right) that I end up smack on top of Gandhi (not in the biblical sense) at - -5.92 left and -4.14 down, although in '96 I'd have been on top of Clare Short (eech). > But some of the questions seemed a bit muddled; I mean: > "In a civilised society, one must always have people above > to obey and people below to command". i.e. you obey the people above and you command the people below. I know what you mean but if you ignore grammar it works OK ;^) > - - Mike "Worried Liberal Democrat" Godwin As you should be :) > Here are two funny ones that might seem unrelated but should actually have > the same answers. Same head, different hat. > > - -Astrology can explain many more things than most people > presently realise. > > - -Wars and social chaos may well be ended by a catastrophic > flood or earthquake. Er, I don't see why. I answered the two of them differently and both with the "strongly" tag. > Fascinating though this is, I'd hasten to point out that the > whole thing is highly subjective and based on one person's > idea of what constitutes a "typical" position for someone > falling into whatever easily-labelled groupings the site's > owners believe to be appropriate. Yeah but it sure beats the hell out of sitting through party political broadcast and talking to the lying toads at your front door when deciding on your politics. I think it takes politics about as seriously as is appropriate for the subject ;^) > Also, the lack of a "Don't Care a Whit" option on any of the > six pages worth of questions makes the whole thing highly > suspect, IMO. I guess Nihilists are in the centre but you'd never know 'cos they wouldn't fill it out :) (H) n.p. Flaming Lips - Clouds Taste Metallic ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:35:17 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: stuff >From: JH3 > >I guess what I meant was that your attitude towards children >seems less likely to be influenced by feelings about personal >rights, equality, etc., than by (a) whether or not you have any >yourself, (b) whether or not you personally find them pleasant >to be around in general, and (c) whether or not you believe that >the population boom of the latter half of the 20th century is the >single most devastating trend/factor in proving that the human >race is ultimately doomed, though most of you are probably >tired of hearing me go on about that at this point. What he said! Well put. Plus: simply EVERYONE has been taking this little quiz lately. Usenet's own soc.bi did it last week and one of our members (if you think fegs are smart, you should see some of the regulars on this newsgroup), a major Judith Martin devotee, proposed that there should be another axis for Etiquette. One might view etiquette as a very authoritarian concept, but given that it is meant to apply to all people equally in a civilized society, I would argue that it's not at all the same thing as political authoritarianism. That said, I would agree that children should be treated differently than adults but with no less respect. >Drewrites: > > The problem with computers is not dumm uzers. The problem with > > computers is that they are built and sold so carelessly that they > > are not safe for people whose expertise does not lie in the complex > > world of network security. > >I think the gist of what that Gibson guy was trying to say was >that the computers he's concerned with (corporate servers) aren't >safe FROM the non-experts, because those people are incapable of >determining when their machines are being used for "malicious" >purposes by remote control... Fair enough, but does that change my point? > > Another take on the car analogy: the computer industry is selling > > military aircraft to people who just need to get across town on > > a daily basis. If you give people a plane when they just need (and > > can handle) a sedan, of course they're going to look like idiots > > when they crash and burn. > >I'm not sure I'm with you there either, dude. The so-called >"industry" (a term that also encompasses anyone capable of >conceiving and building something that could be considered a >"technological advance") is also creating the demand for more >bandwidth by promising that once you have that bandwidth, you >can get rid of your phone, TV, stereo, and, of course, your vibrator. >And you can -- but obviously they're not telling you that everything >will be pay-per-view once that happens... *Including the vibrator.* Again, I don't see how it changes my point to add the industry WANTS to sell people military aircraft. Most industries thrive on selling people stuff they don't need. All I'm saying is that it's dopey to dis ordinary users for not being network experts capable of keeping their air-to-ground missiles from firing unexpectedly. As a user who's totally clueless about network security (but who uses a Mac, if that helps), maybe I have no place to talk about this issue. But to my mind, if the problem is preventable at all, it's preventable on the manufacturer/distributor's end. Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:19:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: kids and leftist libertarians and fucking Sugar Ray Jeme wrote: "I'm still stunned that there are folks who don't believe the Bill of Rights apply to children... just because they can't vote or drink and drive." Just wait til you have some. At some point, the line "Because I'm your father and I said so" will come slipping out of your mouth, but you won't know how.... I do have the coolest kids in the world, though (that is, they both hate pretty boy bands, slut chick music, and Dubyah, and my son does a damn good job of Glass Hotel on his classical guitar). So even if I do use the word "no" with some frequency, they're both all right. On the political thing, what is a leftist libertarian? I find those two terms in great conflict with one another. As for Sugar Ray and Andrew and fucking and all that, Andrew (!!), what a horrible fate!!! It must be very frustrating not to desire the body when the brain is so good. I always fall for the brain, which, in my ancient past wasn't always such a good idea because great brains can also create great mindfuckers, and I'd rather have it somewhere else. Jill, going back to mothering ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:05:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Re: kids and leftist libertarians and fucking Sugar Ray On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Jill Brand wrote: > On the political thing, what is a leftist libertarian? I find those two > terms in great conflict with one another. The "left" appellation is used to refer to a person's stance on social issues, like legalization of drugs, women's reproductive rights, and so on. Those on the left would be in favor or drug legalization and a woman's right to choose. Those on the right would be against drug legalization and a woman's right to choose. The authoritarian/libertarian axis is menat to separate out those who think it's okay to force people to do certain things from those who believe that people should be pretty much left alone to do what they want. A person can be an authoritarian leftist, say, by believing that abortion is not only good but should be mandatory in certain cases. A person would be a libertarian leftist, then, if they believed that a person should be able to have an abortion only if they so chose. The problem is that a person can be an authoritarian right-wing nut job on one issue, and a libertarian left-wing nut job on another issue. I understand that this quiz was intended to track a person's general trends in political beliefs, of course. That doesn't keep me from resenting that most people (myself included) are fuckin' loose cannons that can't be trusted to be consistent. And because I'm (apparently) a libertarian, I can't _force_ them to be consistent. Wait- does the fact that I want to force people to be consistent mean that I'm an authoritarian? Uh-oh. Vivien ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:25:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: kids and leftist libertarians and fucking Sugar Ray On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Jill Brand wrote: > Jeme wrote: > "I'm still stunned that there are folks who don't believe the Bill of > Rights apply to children... just because they can't vote or drink and > drive." > > Just wait til you have some. I'm sure the negotiations on that subject will be continuing for years to come. > At some point, the line "Because I'm your father and I said so" will > come slipping out of your mouth, but you won't know how.... [snip] > So even if I do use the word "no" with some frequency, they're both > all right. Certainly you misunderstand. Children must be taught and disciplined and made to understand things and, when time doesn't permit understanding, they must simply be prevented from doing bad things. Children (especially small children) have a certain responsibility to their parents' moral code until such time as they can justify their beliefs with some understanding and coherence. However, my beef is with folks that believe children need to be "protected" from themselves and the evil world around them. The best protection is, of course, knowledge, understanding, experience, and character. The parents' responsibility is to provide the child a method of developing those things... and all of them require some kind of negative reinforcement. Most legislation made in the name of protecting children is misdirected at best and horribly harmful at worst (COPA, Megan's Law, etc.). > On the political thing, what is a leftist libertarian? I find those two > terms in great conflict with one another. Then you don't know what the words mean. Particularly confusing this issue are folks like the (capital L) Libertarians, who are quite Right, in most cases. Who was it that said, "In order to be an anarchist, one must first be a socialist"? A leftist libertarian believes in the natural obligation of a person to improve humanity and the common good as well as the natural right to self-determination. A rightist libertarian believes in the natural obligation to self-improvement as superceding that of the community as well as the natural right to self-determination. A rightist authoritarian believes in the natural obligation to self-improvement above the common good, but that the natural tendency toward common good and community improvement must be put down by force in order to allow self-improvement to flourish. A leftist authoritarian believes in the natural obligation of a person to improve humanity and the common good, but that the natural tendency toward self-improvement superceding common good must be put down by force to allow community improvement to flourish. Um... that's just off the top of my head. Let me know if I'm insane. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:48:31 -0700 (PDT) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Hello again - Its been a good day Hi Fegs- Traded in two text books, got some cash. Went to the used store, found the following cd's used: Tom Waits - Rain Dogs David Bowie - Scary Monsters Neutral Milk Hotel - On Avery Island Ninja Tune sampler - Funkungfusion (2 CD's - at the single cd price!) Snatched 'em up, used my text book money, and still have $4 left over! Hot ziggety! =jbj= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:08:01 -0400 From: "s.mary" Subject: I love NY I just got back from having my ears blasted from a free show of Glen Branca orchestrating his Symphony for 100+ Guitars. What a wondrous wall of sound. Since moving to NY last year, I've been treated to some really good free shows, most notably this Glen Branca show and Robert Fripp's Soundscape concert. I really fecking love New York! mary np - nothing but Ren begging for a walk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:12:16 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Ftz? "The only thing to do with [Foetus] is to jump in and pray you survive." That's a tweaked line from an older edition of the Trouser Press Guide -- I always loved that quote. Yup, Foetus returned to L.A., last night. I hadn't seen Foetus since July, 1995, and I'm pretty sure Foetus (a.k.a. Jim Thirlwell and bandmates) haven't performed locally since then. I've been to Spaceland several times recently, and have been somewhat depressed by the audience. The ambience of indie-rock shows really has changed. Five or six years ago when indie bands were still getting "promoted" to major labels, there was an excitement in the air at these sorts of shows. A&R scouts were in the room, the bands had a "buzz" in the press and there was a feeling like you were scooping the rest of the world, hearing something which everyone *else* would know in another year. Not so, anymore. The bands don't have much potential for commercial expansion, and the fans seem more like "leftover people" who just happen to like this odd little band. There's not much sense of community, anymore. Well, this crowd was *very* different. It was hard to believe this was the same club which hosted that sedate bunch of Ladybug Transistor fans, just a week ago. These were aggressive, boisterous, participatory fans who still love to slam in front of the stage. A heavy concentration of folks who would never go to a club without wearing black, and plenty of folks jonesing for the cigarettes they weren't supposed to smoke indoors (but did, anyway). On the other hand, there weren't as many goth types as I might have expected, and the wild, hair-sprayed haircut tally was surprisingly low. I'm not sure if the house was a sell-out, but if it wasn't, it was still the most crowded Spaceland show I've seen in quite awhile. Names in the audience: Lou Barlow, a conspicuously conservative Ann Magnuson, and (I think) Buzz from the Melvins. I was late enough to miss the first band, but arrived just minutes before Babyland took the stage. The group was obviously thrilled to open for Foetus, and seemed to imply this was one of the few times they've *ever* opened for a musically compatible headliner. I've never heard an album by this group, but the name's very familar. I actually got a kick out of 'em, at least in a live context. The band was just two guys, and a daunting bank of computers. Oh, and a whole lotta metal. Their sound is in the general vicinity of old-school, industrial-dance groups like Meat Beat Manifesto and dare-I-say Skinny Puppy, and the only instruments directly played onstage were various sorts of found metal percussion. One guy did nothing but pound on a "drum kit" which consisted of several oil drums, a couple of smaller cannisters dangling on chains and several long, thin, vertical bars of metal which were doubled over in a bunch to serve as his "cymbals." The other guy (a scrappy l'il dude with a stubblehead and an admirable load of energy) sang/howled, manipulated the computers between songs and occasionally pounded some implement of his own. They obviously had a following which was independent of Foetus, and there was a dense pack of folks dancing and bumping in front. The singer did a good job of playing to the crowd, and at one point called out something like "You older people! Don't be ashamed of your disco past! Don't be ashamed of your '80s industrial days!" I guess that sums up the vibe pretty well. However, I think the group made one crucial miscalculation. The obvious highlight of the performance was one track where the drummer set a metal cannister on its side (it was about 2.5 feet in diameter and five feet long, with the can's length parallel to the front of the stage), *straddled* the thing and rhythmically worked on it with some sort of saw or lathe. The result was a shower of angry orange sparks which flew as far as 20 feet into the audience. Quite a sight. I'm sure the Spaceland staff wasn't thrilled, watching the lighting rig and speakers fall squarely in the line of fire. But, no damage seemed to come of this. Not even a singed haircut. Anyway, the crucial mistake was that this was only about the fourth song! Such a spectacle definitely should've been saved for the end. (I guess I've seen both Einsturzende Neubauten and Tom Ze do something like this in the past, but in both those cases, there was more of an elevated stage and the sparks were aimed *across* the stage rather than forward into the crowd. This version was far more exciting to behold.) Interesting aside: Thirlwell was in the bar area for much of Babyland's set, and went unnoticed by almost everyone. His albums don't have photos, and he doesn't appear in magazines an awful lot...I guess even his *fans* don't necessarily know what he looks like! I got him to sign my copy of Flow...a fun signature to have. I'm glad I stumbled upon him before his performance, because I'm sure it would've been impossible to catch him afterwards, given the full house. Another interesting thing was that he seemed like a fairly friendly guy, even though he's ominously fearsome when in his onstage Foetus guise. His nerdy outfit (khaki pants, sort of a wild-'n'-crazy-guy, polyester button-up shirt and a nerdy, navy-blue zipper jacket which looked something an airport luggage handler might wear) was also somewhat of a surprise. He left the jacket behind, before he went onstage. The Foetus extravaganza arrived at 11:30 sharp, just as promised. Thirlwell never played an instrument, and had four musicians behind him on the expected guitar, bass, keyboards and drums. They were all strong players, who could probably groove in a variety of styles. There was some pre-programmed material from the keyboard bank, but not nearly as much as I would've predicted. Actually, I might've enjoyed the set more, if there *was* more programming. One of my favorite things about Foetus/Thirlwell is how brilliantly he integrates swanky jazz and traditional orchestrations into his modern industrial attack, and these aspects weren't really explored onstage. This was almost solely an all-out, aggressive, guitar-based assault. I didn't enjoy him quite as much as I hoped for this reason, but it was still a truly exciting performance. Again, the crowd was fired up and rowdy in front, though now, they were more into pumping their fists than actually *dancing*. I'm not able to identify exactly what songs he played, but my heart did leap when he launched into the "I LIKE THE WAY YOU FILL OUT YOUR CLOTHES/I WANNA STICK MY FACE UNDER YOUR HOSE" catchphrase from "Clothes Hoist," off the classic Hole album. No covers were played, but there was one song which began with the mellotron intro from "Strawberry Fields Forever," after which Thirlwell bellowed "Let me take you dowwwwwwwn..." as a preamble to his own composition. I dug that. Thirlwell has a real "savage messiah" ambience onstage, which carries a lot of power. He uses those Elvis/Nick Cave-style moves -- the glowering/leaning over the audience, the touching outstretched hands, the physical yanking of the mike stand. The final song ended with him in an aggressive "crucified" position, after singing "I am Jesus...I am Satan...I am Jesus...I am Satan" for a minute or two. Heh. How appropriate. Not much else to say, at this point. Barlow and Magnuson left early, but I didn't. Eb, feeling more and more obligated to provide the list with some musical content ;) np: http://home.earthlink.net/~elbroome/np.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 15:26:20 -0000 From: "Dimple Burrows of Tuckborough" Subject: "Playin Bball outside of tha school" I thought Id sent in a long embulient enthusiastic paen to the sweet mysteries of life yesterday--but I must have hit Cancel stead of Send. So you'll get a few tired, foggy but still happy versions today. In the last 36 hours I stayed up too late to see the game(Yes!), my daughter graduated lower school amidst much celebration and my husband got a promotion at work, amidst more celebration. Now Im back at work(Boo, Hiss)and need a nap Im not going to get. Basketball. Matt, I think you asked for an explanation of the game for all non-Yanks(silly, silly you:-). As I see it, what you call football and we call soccor, basketball and hockey are all really the same game. Goals at either end , approx 9 or so players per team trying to get the ball past the other team and into the goal. Football(soccer) is played in a large grassy field, you use your feet and head to manuvour the ball, the goal is low and large. Basketball is played on a small wooden court, you use your hands (you can throw or run and bounce the ball)and the goal is high and small. Hockey is played on a large bit of ice which you skate on, you use a stick to manuvour the ball(or puck in this case) and the goal is low and large. Soccar tends to favor a compact build, basketball a tall one and hocky one where teeth are optional. All three are fast games where ones agility, speed, skill at manouvering the ball and quick-reaction times count. There is statagey and there are plays but what really counts is each players ability to gage in an instance where the openings are and how to play accordingly. Basketball is popular anywhere in America where space is cramped--hence its popularity in urban area. I went to a ritzy school in NYC, but just like kids in the NYC overcrowed underfunded public school system--we only had a small gym and bball was our game(and we were gooood, my senior year our team won the independent-school girls' title at the same time as the Knicks were winning the Championship. It was bliss to be alive:-). It was the only game I was half-way good at, hence part of my joy in it. I was tall enough to hunker over my shorter classmates, aggressive enough to get in their faces and stay there plus I was fast. Playing guard, this -almost- made up for the fact that Ive got lousy hand-eye. So when Im watching the 76ers, part of me thinks she's Motumbo;-)(who does -not- have lousy hand-eye:-) And wasn't that a game! The skill level was phenomonal but its sweet when the underdogs win and the 76ers are so the undergods(--btw, whenever Philly gets anywhere in sports we are -always- the underdogs. Part of the reason I like this unpretensious town so much.) Eleanor-- you have every right to love The Lakers, there are some very elegent players on that team. Kobe(gee-wonder where he grew up?;-)can be great and Fox is a fox. You know one thing I noticed--LA has this photogenic team while Philly's ranges from scrappy ugly to down right butt hidious(but loved, so loved:-). And Liu is amazing, he -almost- out-Iverson's Iverson. I must admitt thou Ive got a problem with Shaq. He just seems a big bully relying on brute force. And when I look into those eyes, --is -anyone- home? Iverson is utterly amazing. Small and skinny, instantly-reactive and so fast he's a blur he is such a David to Shaq's Golieth. And Motumbo-man--I have - -never- seen such raw, steely determination on a face. To have done what he's done, off and on court, is amazing. I have a feeling this guy has quite a future ahead of him long past his bball days. Halftime: As for Bobo-- Irish boys can't bounce! Geez I ball-handle better than that and Im a dyslexic gurl. He must not publically touch a basketball again. Ever. And what number-cruncher decided that for a sport where 9/10s of the great players are African-American, they'd showcase some pasty-faced white boys at halftime? Grrrr. Wheres Aretha when you need her? On to Friday! Go 76ers. Love and Dimples Kay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #239 ********************************