From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #237 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, June 13 2001 Volume 10 : Number 237 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: grc.com denial-of-service [Tom Clark ] Denver, Fegs? ["Yudt.Matthew" ] Re: grc.com denial-of-service [Ken Weingold ] Re: A Question [Tom Clark ] Re: grc.com denial-of-service [Capuchin ] Re: A Question [Capuchin ] Re: Song Question [dmw ] Re: Song Question [Stephen Mahoney ] Re: grc.com denial-of-service [JH3 ] why watching TV is so exasperating [Carole Reichstein ] xtc mp3 [steve ] Re: Hector, Priam &c. [Michael R Godwin ] When Gene Wilder was funny ["Tigger Lily" ] Re: A Question [Michael R Godwin ] RE: fegmaniax-digest V10 #236 ["da9ve stovall" ] let it pop ["ross taylor" ] Re: Jeff Lynne Must Die! ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: xtc mp3 ["Mike wells" ] Oh no, not politics again! ["Tigger Lily" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:55:18 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: grc.com denial-of-service Cappy-kins, Thanks for your insight and opinion on the matter. I knew if prodded you'd give a more elaborate and upbeat response. However: > The real problem (as this guy fails consistently to note) is not the > thirteen year olds TRYING to attack systems, but the home PC user's > misunderstanding of the nature of the network to which they're attached > (they view it more like television than like, say, a stock trading > pit) and their enormous likelihood to be running one particular > hardware/software platform. So what's the solution? The fact is that Normal Joe Computer User doesn't know his ass from his elbow about anything below the filesystem. The industry has done so much to get a PC in every house, and then to get each one of those online, where they're completely vulnerable. It sounds like we just gave a driver's license to 100 Million 7 year olds. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 19:08:04 -0400 From: "Yudt.Matthew" Subject: Denver, Fegs? Hello, Any Denver Fegs up for a few drinks (or whatever) one night next week? Anyone know good places to visit in downtown Denver - bars, museums, etc. I'll be there all next week (on "business"). Cheers, Matt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 19:09:18 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: grc.com denial-of-service On Tue, Jun 12, 2001, Tom Clark wrote: > So what's the solution? The fact is that Normal Joe Computer User doesn't > know his ass from his elbow about anything below the filesystem. The > industry has done so much to get a PC in every house, and then to get each > one of those online, where they're completely vulnerable. It sounds like we > just gave a driver's license to 100 Million 7 year olds. Exactly. Hacker heaven I suppose. I think a big hole in Wintendo systems is NetBIOS. Whatever. Can't wait for the Sun Blade 100 system I am ordering soon. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:26:53 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: A Question on 6/12/01 3:24 PM, noe@shalev at noe@corky.net wrote: > Back in the 80's a friend of mine had this tape. it was a female singer with a > heavy german accent, the music was kind of cabaretish. and I remember one song > went somthing like: "There's plenty of men in my life, but not enough life in > my men" > does someone know who she was? name? anything? Ute Lemper? Nina Hagen? Lene Lovich? Klaus Nomi? - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:39:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: grc.com denial-of-service On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Tom Clark wrote: > Cappy-kins, > Thanks for your insight and opinion on the matter. I knew if prodded > you'd give a more elaborate and upbeat response. Isn't that always the case? Grumpy on the outside, soft and chewy on the inside. > So what's the solution? The fact is that Normal Joe Computer User > doesn't know his ass from his elbow about anything below the > filesystem. The industry has done so much to get a PC in every house, > and then to get each one of those online, where they're completely > vulnerable. It sounds like we just gave a driver's license to 100 > Million 7 year olds. That's pretty much it... And seven year olds can't reach the pedals, so they've all got a brick on the accelerator. And their cars are papier-mache (though some have gone through the effort of writing "airbag" in felt tip pen across their steering wheels). But that's enough metaphor extending... Several years ago I considered doing "home system administration" for people. Set them up with a secure environment optimized for their needs. Get them some good DSL, build a cheap little firewall (mine cost about forty dollars, all tolled), and send them on their way. If they want to run services, we build a machine for that (which is also extremely cheap when we're talking about low volume services) and I can manage it all remotely... a small fee per household, considering the fact that most systems don't need thirty minutes care a month, would be a nice supplementary income. As for folks who choose to continue running Windows, I have no advice for them. Trojans are a problem as long as systems are that homogenous and insecure. It's easy to just blame the stupid user, but it's like anything else, somebody with money and power makes it so that the average person has no option but to worship at the altar of evil. I'm kind of rambling. I'm taking a nap now. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:41:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: A Question On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Tom Clark wrote: > on 6/12/01 3:24 PM, noe@shalev at noe@corky.net wrote: >> Back in the 80's a friend of mine had this tape. it was a female >> singer with a heavy german accent, the music was kind of cabaretish. >> and I remember one song went somthing like: "There's plenty of men in >> my life, but not enough life in my men" does someone know who she was? >> name? anything? > > Ute Lemper? > Nina Hagen? > Lene Lovich? > Klaus Nomi? I was thinking Ute Lemper, but could it be Eartha Kitt? J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:14:03 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: Song Question On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Stephen Mahoney wrote: > > i repeat myself when i'm under stress i repeat myself when i'm under > > stress but... > I like it! stolen from jim's big ego. www.bigego.com. seems to me like his audience ought to have some overlap w/ robyn's. other than me, that is. = i do what i am told. i am not opinionated. i accept without | dmw@ = questioning. i do not make a fuss. i am a good consumer. |radix.net = pathetic-caverns.com * fecklessbeast.com * shoddyworkmanship.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:55:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: Song Question nah, its a king crimson lyric from "indiscipline" On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, dmw wrote: > On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Stephen Mahoney wrote: > > > > i repeat myself when i'm under stress i repeat myself when i'm under > > > stress but... > > I like it! > > stolen from jim's big ego. www.bigego.com. seems to me like his audience > ought to have some overlap w/ robyn's. other than me, that is. > > = i do what i am told. i am not opinionated. i accept without | dmw@ > = questioning. i do not make a fuss. i am a good consumer. |radix.net > = pathetic-caverns.com * fecklessbeast.com * shoddyworkmanship.net > anagram: MacDonalds = Clam and Sod Stephen Mahoney Multnomah County Library at Rockwood branch clerk stephenm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us 503-988-5396 fax 503-988-5178 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:24:25 -0500 From: JH3 Subject: Re: grc.com denial-of-service > So what's the solution? Well, there's the "industry solution," which is to ignore the problem and sweep everything under the rug... That *might* work! Then there's the "sure-fire" solution, which is to get everyone who doesn't have at least a bachelor's degree in Computer Science or, say, six years of experience as a programmer/analyst, off of the internet as soon as possible. We could make internet access by unqualified users punishable by hefty fines, or hey, why not *hard time*! And, of course, we MUST outlaw e-commerce. (It's too hard to work out the tax issues anyway.) When you really think about it, what has the internet really done to improve the fundamental quality of life in modern society? I mean, other than Robyn Hitchcock MP3's. How would we achieve all this? Simple! Just let the hackers do it all themselves! Since *they* would obviously be among the OK "qualified" users, we'd just have them use their sophisticated "bot" programs to hunt down and identify "unqualified" users and alert the proper authorities, who would then go to their homes and smash up everything they can find. The subsequent boost to the economy (from people having to replace their devastated home furnishings) would make the "internet boom" look like a wet firecracker! I realize that this "sure-fire" solution (also referred to in internet- security circles as "The JH3 Solution") isn't going to be very popular, but I at least wanted to let everybody know about it now, so that I can say "I told you so" later. Once implemented, The JH3 Solution will allow us all to go back to using computers for the purpose they were meant for -- constant reconfiguration! Maybe a compromise could be reached between the two proposals, whereby less-sophisticated computer users are swept under large plush-pile carpets by armies of zombie chat-bots. Thank yu, John "people who live in glass houses should take extra care when undressing" Hedges PS. I think it's really unfair (though probably inevitable) that hacker terminology has now shortened the term "Trojan Horse" to simply "Trojan." It's like they've COMPLETELY FORGOTTEN that the people of Troy were the VICTIMS, not the perpetrators, of the cruel "Trojan Horse" trick! They should instead be calling all their viruses "Greeks," but nooooo, nobody seems to care about all that "boring history crap." Well, lemme tellya kids, the Trojan War was a HELLUVA lot more interesting than watching a screen full of zombie chat-bots at work whose only purpose is to ping some idiot's server for hours on end. So put that in your horse and smoke it! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 19:11:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Carole Reichstein Subject: why watching TV is so exasperating For some inane reason, I was in bed last night, curled up with a raggedy copy of Helen Gurley Brown's "Sex and the Single Girl," which is really a very entertaining little relic from the sixties, while watching David Letterman out of the corner of my eye. "Here is Sugar Ray!" David Letterman announced. This dork surpreme comes on, singing some completely awful song, out of tune, amd making little dance moves and gesticulating to the camera. He looked like he was doing a "Dance Fever" routine. I couldn't tear my eyes away from this--it was so awful! How can this Sugar Ray guy snag a multi-million dollar recording deal (I really have no idea how much this dork makes, I'm just guessing) why Robyn plugs along in relative obscurity? I *did* see Robyn and the Egyptians on Dennis Miller once. Was he ever on David Letterman? Whatever program it was...something strange happened to someone's guitar (Robyn kept staring at Andy in a panicked kind of way) and the song ended with Robyn looking uneasily into the camera. Still, it was a great to see him on TV. My room-mate's boyfriend was sort of peeved that Karen and I barged into their room at one in the morning to see this event, however. xxx Carole ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:42:49 -0500 From: steve Subject: Third Dirk Gently book due (but will it really be Adams?) > Adams' Last Work Due In Fall > > The Salmon of Doubt, the unfinished new novel by late SF author Douglas > Adams, will be published in the fall, along with Adams' screenplay for > the proposed feature-film version of his Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, > the U.K. Independent newspaper reported. The new book will also feature > the text of Adams' recent British radio program, The Hitchhiker's Guide > to the Future, and a selection of e-mail essays, the newspaper reported. > > Adams was working on Salmon when he died unexpectedly while working out > in his California home, the paper reported. Salmon would have been his > first book since Mostly Harmless, which came out nine years ago. Adams' > publisher, Pan, was checking Adams' personal computer to piece together > sections of the new novel, the Independent reported. Orders were taken years ago for "The Salmon Of Doubt" but it was never published. I wonder just how much Adams had been working on it. Might something be fishy? So it goes - Steve _________ He's sort of like this great symbol of inversion to me  the inverse of the truth. It's like the ethics of the new millennium. All you have to do is say something and it's true. 'I'm Muslim.' But you don't actually ever go to a mosque. You don't have to give up pork. You don't have to do anything. You just say it. That's the level of the hypocrisy and stupidity that's going on right now. - John Cusack, on George W. Bush ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 22:58:01 -0400 From: "brian nupp" Subject: Re: why watching TV is so exasperating >I *did* see Robyn and the Egyptians on Dennis Miller once. Was he ever on >David Letterman? Yeah, didn't he break a string doing Madonna of the Wasps in 89 or so? But I think what your describing down here was sometime else: >Whatever program it was...something strange happened to >someone's guitar (Robyn kept staring at Andy in a panicked kind of way) >and the song ended with Robyn looking uneasily into the camera. Still, >it >was a great to see him on TV. My room-mate's boyfriend was sort of peeved >that Karen and I barged into their room at one in the morning to see this >event, however. Yeah, I remember seeing that. Robyn staring at Andy, not Karen and you barging in. ;) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 01:02:33 -0500 From: steve Subject: xtc mp3 Some kind folk have put up three live shows and the infamous drunken studio sessions. There are links to all from here - http://www.orangetwin.com/drunken/fabfoursomeinphilly.html - - Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:26:45 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Hector, Priam &c. On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, JH3 wrote: > PS. I think it's really unfair (though probably inevitable) that hacker > terminology has now shortened the term "Trojan Horse" to simply > "Trojan." It's like they've COMPLETELY FORGOTTEN that the people > of Troy were the VICTIMS, not the perpetrators, of the cruel "Trojan > Horse" trick! They should instead be calling all their viruses "Greeks," > but nooooo, nobody seems to care about all that "boring history crap." Reminds me of Manfred Mann's first hit "5-4-3-2-1", which included a verse about the Trojan war (the Hit Parade was more cultured in the 60s). Can't remember the whole lyric now, but it concluded with the line: "Who let them in? Was it the Greeks? Uh-uh, it was the Manfreds". Everybody pointed out that it was the _Trojans_ who let the horse in, but obviously the lesson has not been learnt. Be that as it may, the Manfreds never attempted such a challenging lyric again; I think they followed 5-4-3-2-1 up with the more demotic "Do Wah Diddy Diddy". - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:58:55 -0000 From: "Tigger Lily" Subject: When Gene Wilder was funny Thank you James, Da9ve, Jill and Mike the Enforcer for more song recs. The great thing about this is Im trying to download what Im not familiar with, thereby giving me an excuse to listen to lots of new stuff. Id have such boring middle-age tastes if it wasnt for all you. I picked up 3 new favorite bands/personages from my "music to cry to" request, now I hope to do as well with this one. Plus I thought of 2 more time songs--"The Highwayman" by Jimmy Webb(which probobly will go on) and Laupers "Time After Time"(which may not.) Nuppy or Lucas-- I always just blithly assumed you were American and younger. Amazing how much -dosnt- automatically come off on posts unless its spelled out. James: >If I get your drift as to the theme of the songs, then - heh - >"Heavenly >pop hit", maybe? Is this your response to -every- question for song recs;-)? I actually downloaded this after you posted the lyrics and it is dorky and delightful, and all the more delightful for being dorky. In fact it inspired me to begin putting together a different CDR of pop earcandy where my problem is what to leave off, not what to put on:-). Godders: >It's a great shame that he didn't take part in that >Sid Caesar thing on TV, where they had most of the 'Show of shows' >writers >reminscing about script sessions: Carl Reiner, Larry Gelbart, >Neil Simon >etc etc [http://www.wga.org/pr/0896/caesar.html]. Agreed. Does anyone know why he didnt? (Suddenly seeing in my head Peter O'Toole in cheap, shiny, was it purple? mustkateer costume staggering around in "My Favorite Year.":-) >PPS How is GW - I heard that he was on the way out? I dont think he's reaped quite yet(now the picture in my head is of him looking adoprable and doing that kangeroo hop from --Sherlock Holmes Younger Brother?) Man dosnt seem to have had a lucky life, does he? (And to show one of my probobly utterly-unfounded prejudices--it irks me that a semi-non-entity like Matthew Broderick is reaping such glory for imitating what Wilder originally did so brilliantly in The Producers)(Plus its very hard for me to imagine -anyone- but Dickie Shawn as groovy Hitler.) Has anyone seen The Producers on stage yet? Its hard for me to imagine anything better than the movie...but people seem to be very pleased by this production indeed. Kay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:02:05 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: A Question > on 6/12/01 3:24 PM, noe@shalev at noe@corky.net wrote: > > Back in the 80's a friend of mine had this tape. it was a female singer with a > > heavy german accent, the music was kind of cabaretish. and I remember one song > > went somthing like: "There's plenty of men in my life, but not enough life in > > my men" > > does someone know who she was? name? anything? On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Tom Clark wrote: > Ute Lemper? > Nina Hagen? > Lene Lovich? > Klaus Nomi? The line sounds pure Mae West. Didn't she release an album very late in life? Oh, she didn't have a German accent; hmmm... It couldn't be Marlene Dietrich, could it? Didn't she release an album very late in life? Or ... didn't Madeleine Kahn do a Dietrich impersonation in (?)Blazing Saddles? Could that be it? - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 07:34:30 -0700 From: "da9ve stovall" Subject: RE: fegmaniax-digest V10 #236 >Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 00:24:57 +0200 >From: "noe@shalev" >Subject: A Question > >Back in the 80's a friend of mine had this tape. it was a female singer with a >heavy german accent, the music was kind of cabaretish. and I remember one song >went somthing like: "There's plenty of men in my life, but not enough life in >my men" >does someone know who she was? name? anything? > >thanx >NOE Hmmmmm. You might look in some online CD stores for samples of Dagmar Krause singing Kurt Weill songs (or even her own stuff). I've got an album of exactly that, but haven't listened to it in so long that I wouldn't have a chance of recalling lyrics. Look also under Slapp Happy. da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:52:46 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: let it pop If anyone needs any more Beatles articles, I think this one is amusing-- http://www.reason.com/0106/cr.cf.still.html It may not be as much news to other people, but I liked it's DC angle. Excerpt: Late in the year, however, a Washington, D.C., disc jockey named Carroll James ("CJ the DJ"), started to play the British pressing of "I Want to Hold Your Hand." <...> The Washington audience loved the song. Capitol noticed. <...>The rest is hysteria. Except for the details: Carroll James wasnt a rock DJ, and his audience was mostly grown-ups. James did a talky afternoon drive-time show for WWDC, a popular AM station. Back then, WWDC was a laid-back outlet with a so-called "middle of the road," or MOR, format that was aimed at an older audience. What did it do besides break the Beatles? When it wasnt running its oddball contests, the station drew on a mostly pop play list, mixing Andy Williams and Al Hirt with soft-rock acts like Ruby and the Romantics, Bobby Vinton, and Ben E. King. WWDCs morning guy had been around for decades, played the organ behind his own wake-up patter, and had a pair of miked, twittering canaries in the studio with him. At night, WWDC didnt play any music at all; it interviewed touring book authors. The only show it aimed at a young audience was in the evening, when its preferred adult listeners were watching TV, and that show was targeted at the dutiful children of the stations core middle-class following. The "teen" show was called The House of Homework, and its gimmick was letting kids call in to ask for help with their assignments. In short, WWDC was a station for dorks. Nobody who aimed for Hip or Cool would have listened to it. Carroll James himself used to play snippets of Bob Dylans early records as jokes, in disbelief that the folkie actually existed. On the other hand, every single program director at every hip, cool rock station in America had already thrown his copies of "Please Please Me" and "She Loves You" into the trash. One dorky Washington station played the Beatles for an audience of commuting office workers, at-home moms, and their bookish kids -- and they wanted more. How could this be? Ross Taylor trying the experiment of posting *before* he has caught up Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 07:57:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Jeff Lynne Must Die! > From: Tom Clark > Subject: Jeff Lynne Must Die! > > I don't care what anybody says, but this guy ruins everything he touches. > He must be stopped! > > Hrm, anybody ever see Jeff Lynne and The Great Quail in the same room at the same time? Didn't think so. Perhaps TGQ has an unrestrained doppelganger running around, ruining Pop Music and upsetting Tom Clark at the same time? Or maybe this is the plot of the new Umberto Ecco novel? -- just joking Mr. TGQ, of course. NP: Matching Mole, "Smoke Signals" -- MM may be my new fave band. Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:21:56 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: blinking no, no, no We have an urgent request: Please pick up the phone and call Congress today, or the fight for medical privacy could be lost. That is because the Health and Human Services regulation that turns your medical data over to the government will go into effect permanently -- unless Congress passes HJR 38 by Friday, June 15. Please read this short memo, immediately take the action at the bottom, then forward it to others who might be interested. BACKGROUND: On April 14, President Bush quietly directed Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson to impose the so-called "medical privacy regulations" that were originally developed by the Clinton administration. Bush's maneuver came despite the fact that the HHS had been inundated with nearly 100,000 angry letters and e-mails from Americans around the country. The most dangerous aspect of this regulation -- and the one most overlooked in news reports -- is that for the first time the government, rather than patients and doctors, would be in complete control of your private medical records. That's because the regulation forces doctors and hospitals to share all electronic medical records with the government for a variety of vague purposes, such as to "streamline medical billing procedures" or for "public health surveillance." Then the government, rather than individual patients, will decide who gets to see them. No wonder Americans are so worried. This regulation, which was published in the Federal Register on December 28, 2000, would: * Give dozens of government agencies and thousands of bureaucrats access to your medical records -- including the private notes of a psychotherapist -- without your consent. * Let government agencies share your records with marketing companies. The rules specifically allow pharmacies to share prescription records "for the purpose of marketing health-related products and services" without your consent. * Do nothing to prevent the government from accessing your DNA information and transferring it to "third parties." * Permit police agencies to access medical records without a search warrant. * Allow private insurance companies to compile the medical information into a database. * Prevent patients involved in health research projects from accessing their own medical records in some cases. How would you like a prospective employer to know if you have a "genetic predisposition" to contract a serious - -- and expensive -- illness? What if an acquaintance who worked for an insurance company or government agency could read the private notes of your psychotherapist, or find out if you have ever undergone drug or alcohol treatment? Would you want others to know whether you've had an abortion or been treated for an embarrassing disease? All of those things could happen if this Clinton-Bush regulation is allowed to stand. That's why it's so important to pick up the phone and call your U.S. representative today. If we can't get Congress to vote on HJR 38 by Friday, you can kiss your medical privacy goodbye! WHAT TO DO: Call your U.S. House representative immediately at 202-225-3121 or 202-224-3121 to request an immediate vote on House Joint Resolution 38 (HJR 38). This measure, sponsored by U.S. Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, declares that the HHS regulation "shall have no force or effect." WHAT TO SAY: (1) Identify yourself and let them know you are a voter in their district. Leave your name, address, complete with ZIP code, and phone number. Please be brief, especially if you are leaving a message. (2) Ask them to tell House Speaker Dennis Hastert to schedule an immediate vote on HJR 38. Let them know that this measure must pass Congress by Friday -- or the HHS rules will remain in effect. (3) Ask them to vote *YES* on HJR 38. Then ask for a letter confirming their position. Is there anything else you can do? Yes! Please forward this E-mail to a friend, and ask them to call their representative as well. Thank you for your help! Sincerely, Steve Dasbach National Director Libertarian Party =============================================================== TO UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:privacy-news-request@columbia.lp.org?body=unsubscribe Or, if the above method doesn't work with your software, please send an e-mail FROM THE ACCOUNT SUBSCRIBED to the mailing list to: privacy-news-request@columbia.lp.org and in the body of the message type only the word "unsubscribe" (without the quotes) IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION that requires an answer, YOU MUST mailto:info@defendyourprivacy.com Replies to the List Manager or to the list itself will be deleted by our mailing list management software. =============================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:26:20 -0500 From: "Mike wells" Subject: Re: xtc mp3 Thx - way cool. Michael who's fave XTC song just might be "Grass" - ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve" To: "Fegmaniax" Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 1:02 AM Subject: xtc mp3 > Some kind folk have put up three live shows and the infamous drunken > studio sessions. There are links to all from here - > > http://www.orangetwin.com/drunken/fabfoursomeinphilly.html > > > - Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:00:35 -0000 From: "Tigger Lily" Subject: Oh no, not politics again! Remember the Religion Selector. Now theres a political site to tell you who you -really- are. Hey--its a fun way to waste time. Its at: www.politicalcompass.org According to it Im only slightly left but very libertarian. Which seems about right. Religion Selectors idea of a Liberal Quaker, Kay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #237 ********************************