From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #229 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, June 6 2001 Volume 10 : Number 229 Today's Subjects: ----------------- arthur! arthur! ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: I'll get you, my pretty! [Miles Goosens ] Much ado but not liking it ["Dimple Burrows of Tuckborough" ] Re: delete now ["victorian squid" ] RE: Go 76ers ["Maximilian Lang" ] leaving on a jet plane [/dev/woj ] random advice [bayard ] Portland Arms Question [Mike Swedene ] Song Question [Mike Swedene ] Sims? Somebody say Sims? [shmac@ix.netcom.com (Scott Hunter McCleary)] Re: rich dead people [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: random advice ["noe@shalev" ] Re: we just *teach* the first amendment, take 2 [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Portland Arms Question [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Portland Arms Question ["brian nupp" ] Re: Song Question [Bayard Catron IV ] Re: Portland Arms Question ["brian nupp" ] Re: Portland Arms Question [bayard ] RE: Song Question ["Bachman, Michael" ] RE: Song Question ["brian nupp" ] Go Go Go 76ers ["Dimple Burrows of Tuckborough" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 14:37:11 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: arthur! arthur! >From: "Dimple Burrows of Tuckborough" > >From Steves Salon LOTR link: > >First of all, the Tolkien"legendarium" (his word, of course) is a >work of > >reconstructive myth and romance, closer in many respects to >Chritien de > >Troyes or Edmund Spenser than to the modern novel. > Have to ask-since I love both of the above noted authors-does anyone >else? Hell--has anyone else even read them? I've read de Troyes (thumbs up) and just skimmed the Spenser because I had too much other work to do at the time. I was taking an Arthurian Legends course with Russell Peck, not because I have any particular passion for Camelot but because Peck is such a fantastic teacher. I've been meaning to go back to the Spenser, as much because of Paglia's SEXUAL PERSONAE as because of Peck's lectures. Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 17:15:44 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: I'll get you, my pretty! Me, Natalie, Jason: >On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Natalie Jane wrote: > >> Re. the mysterious Charles I Black Adder: >> >> >Was this part of BLACK ADDER V? I haven't seen it, but it gets >released >> >on DVD on the 26th, same day as the box set. >> >> I haven't the foggiest - I saw it a long time ago (1992 or thereabouts), so >> I doubt it was a new addition to the series. I think it was a one-off, like >> the Christmas episode. > >I think this was part of Prince Charles' 50th birthday party celbration. Could this be it? Narrator: In 1648, King Charles was in flight from the wrath of Cromwell & his Roundheads. Only two men remained faithful, risking certain death by their fidelity to the crown. One was the sole descendent of a great historical English dynasty -- his name, Sir Edmund Blackadder. The other was the sole descendent of an unfortunate meeting between a pig-farmer & bearded lady. History has, quite rightly, forgotten his name... See http://www.blackadderhall.co.uk/specials/cavalier_years.htm. It sounds right. I'm hoping that it'll show as bonus material on one of the DVDs. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 22:32:58 -0000 From: "Dimple Burrows of Tuckborough" Subject: Much ado but not liking it I mixed up 2 Shakes comedies with titles featuring sexual inneuendos. Reeves did not play the villionous usurping brother in As You Like it--he played the villinious serpent-like brother in Much Ado. How -could- I mix up the two;-) Kay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 15:56:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: McRe: we just *mcteach* the first mcmendment, take 2 remember, if its not scottish its crappp!!! go Jose Bove!!!!!! On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Capuchin wrote: > On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Glen Uber wrote: > http://www.ctnow.com/scripts/editorial.dll?render=y&eetype=Article&eeid=4666541 > > What kills me most about this article is that it never once questions > whether or not McDonald's should be hosting ANYTHING in a public school. > > No, that part seems perfectly acceptable. > > Sheesh. > J. > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin > Gallons by which daily U.S. oil consumption would drop if SUVs average fuel efficiency increased by 3 mpg : 49,000,000 Source: Sierra Club (Washington) Gallons per day that the proposed drilling of Alaskas Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is projected to yield : 42,000,000 Source: The White House Stephen Mahoney Multnomah County Library at Rockwood branch clerk stephenm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us 503-988-5396 fax 503-988-5178 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 16:09:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: fegefffffluvia On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Mark Gloster wrote: > > Basketball: > I still kinda like the Lakers. I kinda dislike Iverson. Guess I'm > rooting for 4-0 Lakers. oh- another funny title available in the library is "shaq talks back" imagine if its as good as his foul shooting.... > > Baseball: > I hope the Giants start wompin' soon. Hope Barry gets 73 homers > this year, but I really want them to kick the stuffin's out of > the Yankees or the Mariners in the World Series. No, I don't watch > the games. even though the mariners are mostly no-namers I still want them to beat the stuffin' out of everyone else!!!!! I am so bored of the yankees doing well its like having the lakers winning yet another title! I loved, loved, loved the Byrne show!!!! he really mixed it up with some old theads "once in a lifetime" some solo work and only 5-6 of his new tunes...the crowd was quite insane!!! god robyn is grey Byrne is grey going towards white and I am bald with grey in my ghoatee guess everyones getting older..... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 16:13:15 -0700 From: "victorian squid" Subject: Re: delete now On Tue, 05 Jun 2001 12:34:13 Andrew D. Simchik wrote: >Yeah, but we're the people that put up the money to see it >(and buy the DVDs and the merchandise and whatnot). WE are actually a minority, if by we you mean "people who care about things like scripts and good acting". If you mean the general moviegong and buying we, that we has proven over and over that a significant percentage doesn't really give a damn. >Brad Pitt. The theory is of course that the stars guarantee an >audience, but do they? In the case of a film like this one, I wonder. In this case, I think they were attempting to maximize the gains by attempting to pull more than the faithful into the theater. >You answered your own question above. No one is going to go see >some expensive period flick unless some hottie with a thoroughly >contemporary accent is in it to draw the crowds. Actually, what I said was: "The right known actor or even a not-exactly-right but halfway competent known actor doesn't usually hurt an otherwise well-executed film anyway." I did not say "We should put up with bad actors because they draw crowds". It irritates me a little bit when I'm deliberately very careful about wording and someone goes on ahead and reads in exactly what I was going out of my way to -not- say. loveonya, susan Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 19:41:39 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: RE: Go 76ers > > Yo 76ers. > > You all saw the -first- Rocky movie, right? The one where the Philly > > yob > > goes far farther than he should on pure gumption? Dosn't matter if > > he wins > > the Championship(that sorta slickness comes later in the > > interminable > > series)--point is--he got there at all. > > Workingman determination, heart and ability to play thru pain. Sound > > > > familiar? > > Go 76ers:-). > > >Oh yeah! Just wanted to second this! Make that a third. In 7 or so years the Delaware Valley schools will be packed with kids named Dikembe Schwartz and Iverson O'Brien. This team has captured the imagination in many in the Philadelphia region. Max Oh yeah... G O S I X E R S (Sixers in 7) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 20:03:33 -0400 From: /dev/woj Subject: leaving on a jet plane bay-area fegs, meredith and i will be in the santa cruz and san francisco for the next week for ectofest west . we already have several ectophilic things planned, but there is some free time in there when we (or more precisely, i) wouldn't mind meeting up with some fegs from the left coast. if anyone wants to get together, send me a note (i'll be e-mail-able) and we'll see if we can work something out. woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 20:57:24 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: random advice someone has asked me, and i thought i'd ask y'all - what is the best provider for registering domains, and good and inexpensive hosting? any recommendations? and to isp's generally do both of these things? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 21:02:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Portland Arms Question I just got a copy of the Portlan Arms show (thanks Max!) and I was curious as to who was playing that horn on the album. Anyone know? Anyone have a scan of the cover? I would like to see the artwork for the album if possible. Thanks! Herbie "If there are 2 things worse than country, punk is one of them" Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 21:04:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Song Question I was curious... I LOVE and recently live by Bayard's song and gig archive (bows to Bayard) and I was curious.... Is anyone aware of any song that Robyn released on an album that he has *NOT* performed live? None jumped to my mind right away and I thought it might be a good thread. Later! Herbie Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 00:28:05 -0400 From: shmac@ix.netcom.com (Scott Hunter McCleary) Subject: Sims? Somebody say Sims? Kay: >We're getting a DVD player, lots of memory for my daughter's Sims games, Soft Boys skins anyone? And why didn't I think of this before? ========= SH McCleary Prodigal Dog Communications PO Box 6163 Arlington, VA 22206 shmac@prodigaldog.com www.prodigaldog.com www.1480kHz.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 23:23:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: rich dead people Ken Ostrander wrote: > >> reap... > >> apparently most of Nepal.... > > > >if only more royalty would follow the Nepalese example... > > twisted. i'd like to see something like haley-bopp meets the fortune > 500... i don't necessarily mind rich people, as long as they are generous and can admit that luck has a lot to do with it. so, that would mean hale-bopp meets 497 or the fortune 500. > haven't seen shrek; but my friend has mentioned that they play over a > minute of cale's version of the song [hallelujah]. i've seen this > kind of discrepancy with soundtrack albums and the actual film > before. i wonder if the director or producer or the studio makes the > final decision. probably the record company[s]. > why would cale have any rights on this song? if he controls the licensing to his recording[s] of "Hallelujah" (which I'm having a hard time typing for some reason), he would have those rights. [s]=or is the version on _Fragments of a Rainy Season_ the same as the version on the _I'm your fan_ Cohen tribute? > >I actually *like* these versions of "Lady Marmalade" and "Rhythm of > the Night" > > i was suprised to find that i enjoyed the new lady m myself; > but what's that other song? a DeBarge hit from the mid-80's. Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 09:28:45 +0200 From: "noe@shalev" Subject: Re: random advice I use joker.com back when I first choose them they seem to be very low priced. I didn't check how are they now, but I stick with them since I'm very happy. all the best (and so is music) NOE > someone has asked me, and i thought i'd ask y'all - what is the best > provider for registering domains, and good and inexpensive hosting? > any recommendations? and to isp's generally do both of these things? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 23:55:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: we just *teach* the first amendment, take 2 Capuchin wrote: > On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Glen Uber wrote: > http://www.ctnow.com/scripts/editorial.dll?render=y&eetype=Article&eeid=4666541 > > > > What kills me most about this article is that it never once questions > whether or not McDonald's should be hosting ANYTHING in a public > school. > > No, that part seems perfectly acceptable. > > Sheesh. indeed. at least when the high school kid in Georgia showed up at Coke Day (vomit) whering a Pepsi shirt (or it could have been the other way around), the soda company had the good sense to just laugh it off, even when the school threw a temper tantrum, as if they knew they were invaders (or at least, showed they understood some basics of the teenage mind). mcdonald's seems to have been actively involved in this particular hissy fit. of course, if it wasn't for these well-meaning corporations, the government might have to pay for government services, and we couldn't have that. ===== "Loyalty to a petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul." Mark Twain "For every fatal shooting, there were roughly three non-fatal shootings. And, folks, this is unacceptable in America. It's just unacceptable. And we're going to do something about it." George W. Bush, May 14, 2001 Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 01:17:12 -0700 From: Traveling Riverside Blues Subject: Off-topic: lockjaw fest Hello everybody, wfor those of you living in the San Francisco area, I wanted to plug a fun event my band is going to be playing in. Friday night at Ace Junkyard. Yes, it's a real junkyard, where many, many excellent events go down. I make it a rule of thumb to go any time something is happening there... everybody should check out an Ace Junkyard event at least once. In addition to may band Mongoloid (plug, plug) Crazed poets/beat jazz/hiphop performers Attaboy & Burke, whom you have GOT to see, will be performing, as will Kimric Smythe, whom I have never seen, but he did the pyrotechnics for Burning Man for many years (in addition to many other things) and is a legend in BM circles. My band is pretty good, too, if you like Devo (and who doesn't?), as are Omnivorous, if you like seeing vintage synths being mutilated by guys in giant insect costumes. Postapocalyptic entertainment amidst piles of machine-age detritus. Think "Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids" meet Mad Max, plus pyrotechnics. Details, address & directions in the post below. Mike _________________________________________________ LOCKJAW FEST 2001 FRIDAY, JUNE 8, 9:00, $6 A CELEBRATION OF DEGENERATION AMID MECHANICAL DETRITUS. MONGOLOID Not Devo but an amazing mutation. A frenetic display of the dire doctrine of de-evolution. ATTABOY AND BURKE Word ninjas shed their mortal coils and take on berserk robotic form to spew verbage amid the wreckage. KIMRIC SMYTHE AND COHORTS Veteran ne'er-do-wells(srl,peoplehater) coax spastic fiery outbursts from malign machines. OMNIVOROUS Post-human entertainment. Pincers and antenae interface with invertibrate sythesizers. at: ACE AUTO DISMANTLERS, 2255 MCKINNON AV,SF (Intersection is McKinnon/Barneveld/Loomis, near Bayshore Blvd./ Cesar Chavez St) See map: Here's an aerial photograph to help you out: (Nice URL, huh?) BRING: Sensible footwear, fluids, common sense. - --- end forwarded text ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 10:25:32 +0100 From: "Chris Browning" Subject: Blackadder the entire blackadder canon spans series one to four (of which i think the last is by far the best, especially the final episode which is far more moving than any comedy ought to be) plus two specials. the first is Blackadder's Christmas Carol in which a nice blackadder is confronted with his ancestors (ie a chance for some II and III sketches) and a future blackadder (a wonderful cod sci fi episode, which i think the finest moment in the episode) until he mends the errors of his ways and becomes a nasty piece of work like the others the second is Blackadder Back and Forth which was made for the millenium dome and is slight but still has it's moments. blackadder is a millionaire and gets baldrick to "invent" a time machine for which he has planned to con his friends - tim mcinnerney, fry and laurie and miranda richardson - out of a fortune, but stupidly baldrick invents a real one. basically a chance to use some excellent special effects and panic about lacklustre material. dinosaurs, romans, a return to blackadder II and a chance encounter with shakespeare played by colin firth and waterloo are all visited. it's fun but very slight... hope that helps chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 12:10:17 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Portland Arms Question On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Mike Swedene wrote: > I just got a copy of the Portlan Arms show (thanks > Max!) and I was curious as to who was playing that > horn on the album. Anyone know? Jim Melton IIRC. He also sings 'In the mood'. - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 10:36:08 -0400 From: "brian nupp" Subject: Re: Portland Arms Question >On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Mike Swedene wrote: > > I just got a copy of the Portlan Arms show (thanks > > Max!) and I was curious as to who was playing that > > horn on the album. Anyone know? > >Jim Melton IIRC. He also sings 'In the mood'. > >- Mike Godwin Are you sure? I don't have it in front of me, but I thought Jim Melton played the harmonica. I thought someone named "Mungo" played the sax. Incredible show! Nuppy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 07:44:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Bayard Catron IV Subject: Re: Song Question > I LOVE and recently live by Bayard's song and gig > archive thanks! but remember, others deserve mucho praise too, especially JH3... > Is anyone aware of any song that Robyn released on an > album that he has *NOT* performed live? None jumped > to my mind right away and I thought it might be a good > thread. hmm! off the top of my head, maybe grooving on a inner plane, happy the golden prince, furry green atom bowl, midnight fish, the pit of souls, it was the night... there are actually more than one might think! a guy who was selling tapes once claimed mr. deadly had been played live at a show in north carolina in the late 80s... unfortunately, since i did not buy from him, i know no more... oh, i take it back, qrys sent me a tape that has a live grooving on an inner plane, didn't you qrys? =b ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 10:49:43 -0400 From: "brian nupp" Subject: Re: Portland Arms Question Don't thank me, thank Eddie. I couldn't find the LP art work. http://www.feedthefish.org/robyn/images/portland-b.jpg http://www.feedthefish.org/robyn/images/portland-f.jpg >From: Mike Swedene >Reply-To: Mike Swedene >To: Frost Free Freezer >Subject: Portland Arms Question >Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 21:02:43 -0700 (PDT) > >I just got a copy of the Portlan Arms show (thanks >Max!) and I was curious as to who was playing that >horn on the album. Anyone know? Anyone have a scan >of the cover? I would like to see the artwork for the >album if possible. > >Thanks! > >Herbie > >"If there are 2 things worse than country, punk is one >of them" >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 >a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 07:57:18 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: Re: Portland Arms Question > >Jim Melton IIRC. He also sings 'In the mood'. > > > >- Mike Godwin > > Are you sure? I don't have it in front of me, but I thought Jim Melton > played the harmonica. I thought someone named "Mungo" played the sax. Mr. Melton is credited with percussion, vocals and harmonica on _a can of bees_ (and presumably on _portland arms_... the liner notes are not in the archive at fegmania.org - anyone care to type them in?) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 11:26:36 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Song Question - -----Original Message----- From: Bayard Catron IV wrote > I LOVE and recently live by Bayard's song and gig > archive >thanks! but remember, others deserve mucho praise too, especially JH3... > Is anyone aware of any song that Robyn released on an > album that he has *NOT* performed live? None jumped > to my mind right away and I thought it might be a good > thread. >hmm! off the top of my head, maybe grooving on a inner plane, happy the >golden prince, furry green atom bowl, midnight fish, the pit of souls, it >was the night... there are actually more than one might think! Just before Robyn played The Yip Song for the very first time at the Royal Oak Theatre in Feb. 1992, Robyn said something like "We are going to play something for the first time live", I yelled out "Bones In The Ground", but Robyn said, "No, we've already done that one". It must be on Eddie's tape of the concert, but I don't have a recording of it. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 11:43:50 -0400 From: "brian nupp" Subject: RE: Song Question >From: "Bachman, Michael" Just before Robyn played The Yip Song for the >very first time at the Royal >Oak Theatre in Feb. 1992, Robyn said something like "We are going to play >something for the first time live", I yelled out "Bones In The Ground", but >Robyn said, "No, we've already done that one". It must be on Eddie's tape >of >the concert, but I don't have a recording of it. > >Michael That was an awesome show! Hearing the Yip Song for the 1st time blew me away! Does anyone not like this song? Just kidding! Nuppy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 16:00:23 -0000 From: "Dimple Burrows of Tuckborough" Subject: Go Go Go 76ers Tom of the Crane Link: Thanks for the immediete-gratification link. Funny, with all the stuff going on in that photo--all I could focus on was the double chin and beady eyes. Like the Elvis mythos--theres something about celebrity as walking car-wreck which seems to define our times. As for Mac--our home pc has to work easily with my husbands work network--hence IBM compat. I know this makes us heretics here;-) Ken, if it is possible--you have outkenned yourself:-) Drew: >On the other hand, I'm gathering the courage to come out of the >closet >about hating Gary Oldman. Do it. It felt great yesterday typing about his lack of ... whateveryouwantocallit. He must--however-- be really good for something, I mean--he got Uma(a Goddess Walks this Earth)Thurman to marry him(for awhile.)(Cant help thinking--till she sobered up then---yeek, what have I done!) But as long as he's playing someone repellent he's an excellent actor;-). Sharkboy: >Times are different now, but who doesn't remember doodling spaceships >attacking a planet that looked like teacher's head? When I was in third grade my future as a Hitchcock fan was presaged by my fascination with weird kid songs--often of a violent anti-authoritarian nature-- "Dah dah dah dumteday Our teacher died today We threw her in the bay. The sharks had lunch today" or of a sexual nature-- "Dah dah dah dumteday My teacher took my clothes away She left me standing there without my underwear" My eternal favorite, however,(it's going on my tombstone) is the surreal-- "Theres a place on Mars where the ladies smoke cigars. The men dont care they just chew their underwear." I ask you--is that not the very soul of poetry? Yet--what if a kid was to sing them today in some backwater school--they'd be immediatly classified as "at risk." Its not just that their parents might be called in--its that some official school Bozos would probobly want to make a big deal out of kids naturally and rightfully subversive stuff. Argggh. More immortal words from Sharkie: >isn't some form of "the golden rule" central to >each? It is central to secular humanism, and you don't see secular >humanist mass murderers. If people act with responsibility and >regard live with respect, then having a sense of humor will seem >less dangerous for those of us who think we have one. Amen brother. It is nuts that as people are excusing more and more hurtful and mean-spirited behaviour as "normal" -- the self-righteous spectre of both PC and the Right Wing looms larger and larger. This town is so gone with 76er fever that when I signed on to the work computer--Go 76ers--appeared. And I cant tell you how many memos have been written bout how no personal nor partisan stuff must -ever- appear there. I love seeing beaurocracy take a hit. Love and Dimples Kay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 09:38:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: random advice On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, bayard wrote: > someone has asked me, and i thought i'd ask y'all - what is the best > provider for registering domains, and good and inexpensive hosting? > any recommendations? Like Noe, I use joker.com Some domain registrars retain the "rights" to the name you register and have clauses in their agreements that basically say that they can choose to hand your domain over to anyone else or take it back at any time. So if you register bayardvanitydomain.com and someone opens, say, a lingerie shop called "Bayard Vanity Domain" and wants an appropriate domain name for their onling comings and goings, well, some registrars will just hand it over to them and give you back whatever pro-rated portion of your bill they feel they can't justifiably withhold. [how's that for a run-on?] Understand that as long as you are the administrative contact for your domain, you can request a transfer of that domain to another registrar... that is, unless the registrar your domain is currently with forbids it and claims "ownership" of all the domains they've registered on behalf of customers or otherwise. > and to isp's generally do both of these things? Some ISPs will register domains for you, but it's another layer of folks that might want to hold the domain as their own. Most ISPs do hosting of one kind or another: virtual, colocation, permanent local connectivity. What you need is a domain registered, name service administration, and system administration. Joker.com in particular does name service administration for you, if you'd like. I have no idea if there is an additional charge for this service. For some reason, I believe there isn't as providing DNS is quite inexpensive. That leaves you with just getting a host and configuring the IP addresses for your domain in the DNS templates at joker.com. Then you do what you need to do with the major services you're providing at that domain: configure a webserver at www.yourdomain.tld and put up some material, configure an ftp server at ftp.yourdmain.tld and put up some material, configure a mail server at mail.yourdomain.tld and BE SURE TO SET THE MX RECORD FOR YOUR DOMAIN TO YOUR MAIL SERVER... etc. Oh, and make sure mail to the various required addresses go somewhere that is read frequently... particularly postmaster@, abuse@, and hostmaster@. Does that all make sense? Phew. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #229 ********************************