From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #227 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, June 5 2001 Volume 10 : Number 227 Today's Subjects: ----------------- We just *teach* the first amendment... [Tom Clark ] Re: more pointless opinions from yours truly ["victorian squid" ] i'm wrong again ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Go 76s!/--alright really Moulin Rouge ["3 Rose Cottage" ] Re: shrek [Eb ] Re: shrek ["brian nupp" ] Red Windmills [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: ah, to be young again [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: ah, to be young again ["victorian squid" ] Re: We just *teach* the first amendment... ["brian nupp" ] chacun a son gout [Jill Brand ] Re: ah, to be young again [steve ] Hobbits, no onion rings [steve ] Re: i'm wrong again [Miles Goosens ] Yummy recipes using noxious chemicals! [JH3 ] Re: hello? [Stephen Mahoney ] Go 76ers ["Dimple Burrows of Tuckborough" ] Re: Go 76ers [Stephen Mahoney ] Re: Hobbits, no onion rings [Michael R Godwin ] I'll get you, my pretty! ["Natalie Jane" ] sea creatures are omnipresent [HAL ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 14:25:26 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: We just *teach* the first amendment... http://www.sptimes.com/News/051101/TampaBay/Student_removed_from_.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 14:41:43 -0700 From: Eb Subject: blurb-o-matic Report: Columbia Invents Fake Gushy Movie Critic LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Advertisements for a string of recent movies from Columbia Pictures have included gushingly positive comments from a critic who does not exist, Newsweek magazine reported in its edition that goes on sale on Monday. The fake critic, David Manning, was the creation of an employee in the studio's advertising department whose unfailingly upbeat quotes went unchallenged since last July and were included in ad copy for at least four films, the magazine reported. The rave reviews attributed to Manning included praise of ''A Knight's Tale'' -- calling Australian actor Heath Ledger ''this year's hottest new star!'' -- and a thumbs-up for the Rob Schneider comedy ``The Animal'' hailed as ``another winner!'' Other comments from the fake critic were used in ad copy for ``Hollow Man'' and ``Vertical Limit,'' the magazine said. Susan Tick, a spokeswoman for Columbia's parent Sony Pictures Entertainment, could not be reached for immediate comment, but was quoted by Newsweek as confirming the reviews were concocted, which she called ``an incredibly foolish decision.'' Sony Pictures Entertainment, the movie making arm of Sony Corp (news - web sites)., has pulled ads that contain the fabricated quotes although some newspapers had already included them in editions this weekend, Newsweek said. In the ad copy Manning is identified as a movie reviewer for The Ridgefield Press, a family-owned weekly in a small Connecticut town. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 15:19:35 -0700 From: "victorian squid" Subject: Re: more pointless opinions from yours truly On Mon, 04 Jun 2001 11:00:49 Miles Goosens wrote: >they consider "bankable" cast members. The old "NO STARS!" turning into >Bruce Willis and Julia Roberts (to keep up the Richard E. Grant references). It's all very well to say art's for art sake and damn the torpedoes when we're sitting here shooting the breeze. We're not the people that put up the money to make it. When you're talking about something like "Interview With The Vampire", that requires a bit of budget for costume and effects, it's an investment. The right known actor or even a not-exactly-right but halfway competent known actor doesn't usually hurt an otherwise well-executed film anyway. Just my opinion, but it seems to me that in practice what almost always ends up really hobbling these sorts of "historical horror" films is a bad screenplay. In this case the direction was also sadly (and strangely) lacking. And here as in "Dracula" there was some bad casting, particularly Brad Pitt, who was almost as awkward as Keanu was in that film. What was with the vogue for casting Reeves in period flix, anyway? Was everyone on the crack pipe? The main thing that did Dracula in for me tho was the hair. Honest to God. I didn't buy the notion that this guy was sexually fascinating. I'm not even thinking of the Kabuki Queen do. The one that really got to me is that long-hair style he had in some parts, because he looked -exactly- like this obnoxious slob that an ex of mine used to pal around with. I was unable to comprehend the idea that this woman would be compelled by lust for such a person. Actually I completely saw him and not Dracula, and I'm just laughing thinking "oh god, Winona Ryder? you WISH, Alex". loveonya, susan Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:19:09 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: stuff >>I forgot what else I was going to say, so I'll just say that I >>bought "The Coroner's Gambit" by the Mountain Goats, and >>it's good stuff... >I bought FULL FORCE GALESBURG a few years ago and liked >it; but I've never played it that much either. Maybe I should >try it again. Galesburg is where I buy all my groceries, power tools, and other consumer items. I used to work there... But even at half-force, the place is just not all that inspiring. At first I thought, no...HWAY, they must be referring to some other "Galesburg," but if you look at the track listing there's a song on the CD called "Weekend in Westen Illinois," and yup, that's where it is! Kinda weird, if you ask me. John "You're from Detroit? You must know Bob, then" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 16:15:45 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: i'm wrong again >From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) > > >Lestat from THE VAMPIRE LESTAT on must be (or seem): > >who played the bad guy in the first recent "The Mummy"? Arnold Vosloo? No, but I can see him for one of the vampires featured in QUEEN OF THE DAMNED. >you're joking, right? BA III is the best of them! I think at this point you can pretty much assume that whatever right-thinking people think about any given movie, book, or record I think the opposite. I don't know what it was...the ideas were great, the characters were great, but there was something in the writing that just got tedious at that point. As I told Miles in email, my preference ranking would be II, I, IV, and III. >From: Miles Goosens > >That's true. But keep in mind that the script, pre-Bankable-Star-phase >Brad Pitt, and some surprisingly clumsy direction from Neil Jordan did in >INTERVIEW WITH THE VAMPIRE; I can't really keep that in mind because I don't agree. Brad Pitt should have been much better than he was, but I thought the film worked well. Not an entirely faithful adaptation of the book, but who cares? > it still would have >been "terribly flawed and dull film with a star turn." Well, see above ("you can pretty much assume"). I'm sure you're right and I'm wrong, but I never get tired of watching it. Actually my least favorite part is Stephen Rea, more for the way his part is written than for his performance. So...I guess I'll just shut up about this stuff from now on. It's depressing. Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 23:58:53 -0000 From: "3 Rose Cottage" Subject: Go 76s!/--alright really Moulin Rouge >From: Stephen Mahoney >Subject: moulin rouge >anyone see this film yet? No but I sure want to. Between the fin de siecle decadence and the fact that its a MUSICAL(in case any ones missed it--I have never outgrown my childhood craving for musicals(for my 5th bday my parents landed us in the 3rd or so row of My Fair Lady on Broadway with Julie Andrews and Rex Harrison. I have never entirely recovered from the sight and sound of an embullient Andrews twirling about in her magical green skirt, singing "I Could Have Danced All Night" on the second floor of this amazing elaborately realistic London townhouse set))makes it a must see for me. Is it worth seeing? And showing just how much I want to see it--here's was might be the silliest Feg question of the week: Is it suitable for a 10 year old? Also-- does anyone have a really -good- tasting recipe which makes absinithe palatable? Kay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 20:35:44 -0400 From: /dev/woj Subject: Re: shrek when we last left our heroes, Eb (ElBroome@earthlink.net) exclaimed: >Speaking of soundtracks including Rufus Wainwright, I heard that the Shrek >film uses *John Cale's* version of "Hallelujah," even though the soundtrack >CD has Wainwright's version instead. Can someone confirm this? that's what it sounded like. there was also, if i'm not totally confused, a short bit of some eels song too. +w ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 18:06:48 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: shrek woj: >>Speaking of soundtracks including Rufus Wainwright, I heard that the Shrek >>film uses *John Cale's* version of "Hallelujah," even though the soundtrack >>CD has Wainwright's version instead. Can someone confirm this? > >that's what it sounded like. there was also, if i'm not totally >confused, a short bit of some eels song too. Yes, there's an Eels song on the soundtrack CD. Happy accident: It's appropriately titled "My Beloved Monster," yet it's recycled from the Eels' *first* album. Speaking of Dracula, I've had it up to *here* with radio commercials for beer, where they cynically try to "Pavlov" you into a booze thirst with repeated "beer-pouring" noises. I just thought I'd mention this. Sam Adams, you're on my hit list. ;) Eb np: new Quasi, with a dash of Wingspan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 21:31:24 -0400 From: "brian nupp" Subject: Re: shrek I've had it up to *here* with radio commercials for >beer, where they cynically try to "Pavlov" you into a booze thirst with >repeated "beer-pouring" noises. I just thought I'd mention this. Sam Adams, >you're on my hit list. ;) > >Eb > Mmm...beer-pouring noises... What was rUss's imfamous quote? Nuppy (about to eat a banana doused in rum, urp!) np SNAIL Psychodelicate _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 12:51:17 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Red Windmills >> anyone see this film yet? > >I saw it! > >> am I the only one who thinks this was a master stroke of genius or what? > >no i do too! The love story gets overly cheesy at the end but what a >delicious film! Haven't seen it yet, but from what I hear, it's like a bigger, brighter, "Strictly Ballroom" (which, if you haven't, you should see). James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 13:05:21 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: ah, to be young again >This letter has two purposes: First, to warn parents about Harry Potter >books, Wicca (witchcraft), sorcery, wizards, astrology, crystals, >channeling, divination and all forms of occultism... interestingly, the times that astrologers are even mentioned in the Bible are more often positive than negative. The same with Witches. Probably the most famous astrologers in the Bible were the three wise men. Several of the great kings of Israel in the Old Testament also consulted witches. >My 15-year old son recently underwent an abrupt personality change from >gentle and obedient to violent and rebellious. What happened to my son? >Although our religion, Catholic, absolutely recognizes the existence of >satan and demons, this spiritual evil had no reality to me. Satan was merely >the subject of horror movies and witches were more fantasy for Halloween. >However, the abrupt changes in my son opened my eyes to the truth, a truth >already stated in the Bible from beginning to end. Jews and all Christian >religions, based on Scripture, condemn occult practices as works of Satan >that eventually lead to torment, rebellion, violence and death. Sigh. The learning of scripture IS an occult practice. The reason Catholics hate witchcraft became obvious to me when I went to my grandfather's (high Catholic) funeral. They're the competition. Catholic mass is so obviously a magickal rite - I found myself correctly guessing what was going to hasppen at various points from what I knew of wiccan lore, even without knowing anything of the Catholic rite. I suspect that the reason this 15-year-old has started behaving rebelliously is that he's a 15-year-old. >> My son became involved with a girl whose family are Wiccans (an old-English >> term for witch). These Wiccans seemed to be harmless nature worshippers. Not >> so. The Wiccan mother, in her 40s, brought my 16-year old daughter to a >> pornography place and bought my 15-year old son hard-core pornography. >> Wiccans believe in indulging every sexual appetite without regard to age. "a pornography place" - possibly somewhere where she was allowed to take off her yashmak? Good grief. As to the last statement, it's one of those wonderful generalisations - I wonder how many Christians are paedophiles. I bet there are even Catholic Priests who've messed around that way. In fact, I bet you get real cases of paedophilia among Catholic priests more often than you do among Wiccans. James (wondering why I'm bothering even commenting on this) np - XTC - Greenman James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 19:04:05 -0700 From: "victorian squid" Subject: Re: ah, to be young again On Tue, 5 Jun 2001 13:05:21 James Dignan wrote: >interestingly, the times that astrologers are even mentioned in the Bible >are more often positive than negative. The same with Witches. Probably the >most famous astrologers in the Bible were the three wise men. Several of >the great kings of Israel in the Old Testament also consulted witches. Well, there's all that "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" bidness. ISTR reading somewhere that this originally was a Hebrew word that means "poisoner" but that King James had it changed to witch because he believed most of his ill-fortune was caused by witches ("It's everyone's fault but mine!"). Someone in this erudite crew will probably know more about this than I do. loveonya, susan Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 22:23:41 -0400 From: "brian nupp" Subject: Re: We just *teach* the first amendment... "We just need to get it through kids' heads that there are certain things you don't say and there are certain things you don't draw," he said. What a bunch of B.S.! I can't believe this. I probably shouldn't admit this but when I was the same age I was drawing what we called "gory pictures." Very, very disturbing drawings, but it was all for fun and/or attention, and I grew out of it soon after. By making a big deal out of this the poor kid will be forever scar'd. 1st Amendment indeed. Nuppy np Television Adventure >From: Tom Clark >Reply-To: Tom Clark >To: In A Van With Sebadoh >Subject: We just *teach* the first amendment... >Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 14:25:26 -0700 > >http://www.sptimes.com/News/051101/TampaBay/Student_removed_from_.shtml _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 21:42:12 -0500 From: steve Subject: Neil Peart, Philosopher King A primer for the lyrics of Rush ... and for life in general, October 2, 1998 Analog Kid: I always thought I had a good grasp of Rush's, namely Neil Peart's, lyrics. And after reading this incredible book, that opinion has not changed. But this book has served to fill in the gaps for me. I now have a profoundly deep understanding of what was only vaguely implicated in the songs. It's a true shame that everyone doesn't live their lives based on the precepts presented in this book, and in Rush's songs. Then we'd have the "world that ought to be," as Neil so eloquently put it (which he almost always does =) ). Thank you, Carol and Robert Price (and Rush, of course), for enriching my life so much! If you want to see more, go to Amazon and search books for Carol Selby Price. - - Steve __________ The president believes that it's an American way of life, and that it should be the goal of policymakers to protect the American way of life, the American way of life is a blessed one. - Ari Fleischer, when asked if Americans should use less energy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 23:34:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: chacun a son gout "The trouble with my son prompted me to take a closer look at his life. The music he was constantly listening to on his headphone disc player is called "heavy metal." These bands, "Metallica," "Dr. D," "King Diamond," "Slayer," "Black Sabbath," "Venom," "Blue Oyster Cult," and others are satanic brainwashing." No, the trouble with her son is that he generally likes bad music. Jill, who wonders if you still go to heaven if you live a good life but own all of Andy Gibbs' records ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 22:52:01 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: ah, to be young again On Monday, June 4, 2001, at 08:05 PM, James Dignan wrote: > Sigh. The learning of scripture IS an occult practice. The reason > Catholics > hate witchcraft became obvious to me when I went to my grandfather's (high > Catholic) funeral. They're the competition. Catholic mass is so obviously > a > magickal rite - I found myself correctly guessing what was going to happen > at various points from what I knew of wiccan lore, even without knowing > anything of the Catholic rite. And what's up digging up that old Pope guy, John 23. Creepy! - - Steve __________ "...if you're having a hard time deciding whether you're actually talking to your best friend or a giant bug from the Proxima system wearing a mask of your best friend - you're having a phildickian moment." - K.W. Jeter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 23:06:18 -0500 From: steve Subject: Hobbits, no onion rings A long article - http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2001/06/04/tolkien/index.html - - Steve __________ "...if you're having a hard time deciding whether you're actually talking to your best friend or a giant bug from the Proxima system wearing a mask of your best friend - you're having a phildickian moment." - K.W. Jeter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 00:05:41 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: i'm wrong again Drew said at various points in this e-mail: >I think at this point you can pretty much assume that whatever >right-thinking people think about any given movie, book, or >record I think the opposite. >Well, see above ("you can pretty much assume"). I'm sure you're >right and I'm wrong, but I never get tired of watching it. >So...I guess I'll just shut up about this stuff from now on. >It's depressing. Depressing that we all don't agree? I'm concerned with the repetition of this theme within a single e-mail (including the subject line itself!) that you're taking the typical banter about likes and dislikes much too personally, especially for someone who can offer a well-reasoned rejoinder with the best of 'em. By the way you've jumped into all the various frays and offered provocative and thoughtful positions of your own, I'd assumed that you wanted to play the game. You're being treated as an equal, part of the give and take, not as a pariah. I'm sorry if anything in my words or tone ever gave you reason to think otherwise. If it makes you feel any better, I not only like UNDER THE CHERRY MOON, I like the just-as-universally-loathed MONSIGNOR (starring Christopher Reeve), so how good is my taste, huh? :-) later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 00:46:22 -0500 From: JH3 Subject: Yummy recipes using noxious chemicals! >Also-- does anyone have a really -good- tasting recipe >which makes absinithe palatable? Add 1/4 tsp. absinthe to 6 lbs. curried chicken salad to make a just-slightly less good-tasting curried chicken salad! Dee-licious! John "the walloping gourmet" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 23:20:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: hello? On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Miles Goosens wrote: > > back to Charles Nelson Reilly worship, > > Miles > am I the only one who thougght lidsville by sid and marty krofft was a master stroke of genius or what???? mahoney" who thinks that moulin rouge is enough of a spectacle to be satisfied, but wanted some more absinthe green fairy stuff included in the film...perhaps a drunken tom waits type of medley?" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 13:57:36 -0000 From: "Dimple Burrows of Tuckborough" Subject: Go 76ers Yo 76ers. You all saw the -first- Rocky movie, right? The one where the Philly yob goes far farther than he should on pure gumption? Dosn't matter if he wins the Championship(that sorta slickness comes later in the interminable series)--point is--he got there at all. Workingman determination, heart and ability to play thru pain. Sound familiar? Go 76ers:-). Attention The Collector-- Tom Clark(or more signs of the fall of western civ.) 1- Monica wants her dress back. Why? Oh right, $$$. Dosnt Monica and her dress sound like a scenerio just waiting to be exploited by some "auteur"? 2-Hogan's Hero Bob Crane's son is realeasing porn taken by his "auteur" dad. I guess you dont get to collect much in insurance if youre dad's been beaten to death with a tripod--so you gotta do -something-. Gotta love that filial piety. Miles: >Somehow Coppola managed to squander it all by forgetting to >commission a script, allowing Keanu Reeves to be in the movie, and, >worst of all, turning Dracula into the Minister of Silly Hairstyles. Nice wrap-up of why Dracula didnt work(thou yes--I loved the visuals.) Id chime in too on the miscasting of Gary Oldman. Good actor--but somehow he just dosnt adequetly project the intense sensous sexuality(imnho) youd expect from a several-centuries dead corpse. Bayard >it's a tough name to get a handle on! Who says there's only one >right way >anyway? just don't call me late for dinner.... Well if I was cooking I d call out "Bayo"-- somewhere tween Beowulf and Boyo. Hopped-up-instead: I agree with Capuchin and Wolfe. The new is always going on--just probobly where we're not looking for it. Human beings are far too idiosyncratic and creative to -not- be original. Plus all these puters n the world--they are changing our experience of the world and they are going to change it much more. That alone should release new energy which will create new forms. Goethe had great advice if youre feeling the world is stale--too very loosely paraphrase--"Pace and repace the boundries of existance till you find a door." Susan: >Very curious about "old money" and "dregs" (dregs of -what-?) m'self. I think Ill buy "dirt" and "old money" and wear them at the same time to broadcast the classic message "old money, cheap as dirt." "Dregs" is a stong wine smell? >victim of senility and perpetrator of temporary lang mixups, I'm just > >going to go hide under a rock now but Im sure its a very nicely scented rock. Not so cheap-- Im getting a new computer at home! We've had out Pentium 1 for about 5 years and even with an extra drive it is a mess. The first time my husband tried to order the new one online he also had Real Jukebox up and it crashed the system. Pitiful, just pitiful. We're getting a DVD player, lots of memory for my daughter's Sims games, room for doing stuff with a digital camera--Windows 2000. Any advice from youse all techies? Should be here by the weekend! Steve,Lord of the Onion Rings: >The literary significance of this property coupled with its superior >entertainment value and tremendous built-in fan base, make it a >smart fit >for our global brand,'' said Richard Taylor, Burger King's >vice president >for U.S. marketing. Thank God Tolkeins dead. And love your new phildickian moment sig. Its going in my commonplace book. Love and Dimples Kay If youre feeling abit state in general _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 09:10:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: Go 76ers yeah its definately david vs. goliath lets hope there are alot of rocks sitting by iversons side to knock down the "unstoppable giants" of l.a. l.a. would be nowhere without phil jackson! On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Dimple Burrows of Tuckborough wrote: > Yo 76ers. > You all saw the -first- Rocky movie, right? The one where the Philly yob > goes far farther than he should on pure gumption? Dosn't matter if he wins > the Championship(that sorta slickness comes later in the interminable > series)--point is--he got there at all. > Workingman determination, heart and ability to play thru pain. Sound > familiar? > Go 76ers:-). Gallons by which daily U.S. oil consumption would drop if SUVs average fuel efficiency increased by 3 mpg : 49,000,000 Source: Sierra Club (Washington) Gallons per day that the proposed drilling of Alaskas Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is projected to yield : 42,000,000 Source: The White House Stephen Mahoney Multnomah County Library at Rockwood branch clerk stephenm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us 503-988-5396 fax 503-988-5178 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 17:41:44 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Hobbits, no onion rings On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, steve wrote: > A long article - > http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2001/06/04/tolkien/index.html I confirm that the Tom Shippey book is a first-rate defence of Tolkien. He even has a shot a defending the near-unreadable 'Silmarillion'. I think that the best sections are the discussion of evil (is it just an absence of good, or is it an active force? Tolkien uses the image of the shadow to illustrate this point) and the detailed refutation of Tolkien's claim that the Riders of Rohan are not inspired by the Anglo-Saxons. He's very good on Gothic, too, as far as I can tell. I've had Shippey's book for years. I think this article may be reviewing a new enlarged edition, possibly retitled. Essential stuff for Tolkien fans, anyway, along with JRRT's Letters. - - Mike Godwin PS Kay quoted: Goethe had great advice if youre feeling the world is stale--too very loosely paraphrase--"Pace and repace the boundries of existance till you find a door." * Wasn't that a scene from 'Wayne's World II'? (: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 10:05:36 -0700 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: I'll get you, my pretty! Re. the mysterious Charles I Black Adder: >Was this part of BLACK ADDER V? I haven't seen it, but it gets >released >on DVD on the 26th, same day as the box set. I haven't the foggiest - I saw it a long time ago (1992 or thereabouts), so I doubt it was a new addition to the series. I think it was a one-off, like the Christmas episode. I know what "fecal occult blood" is. If anyone wants to know, e-mail me privately. But at first I thought it was "fetal occult blood" which is much more in keeping with all the evil things that evil witches do when they are trying to corrupt good Christian children. I'm just waiting for someone to suggest that the late Crown Prince of Nepal had been listening to too much Marilyn Manson. n., wearing her black pointed hat _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 11:22:34 -0600 From: HAL Subject: sea creatures are omnipresent While recently on vacation (with my wife Carey) in Utah, I spotted this guy in a rest stop. I'm positive he doesn't own a single Robyn Hitchcock CD, but with a shirt like that, he's still "one of us": http://personal.milehigh.net/hbrandt/crabshirt.jpg And for those who can't get enough of other people's vacation photos: http://personal.milehigh.net/hbrandt/photogallery.html /hal ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #227 ********************************