From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #223 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, June 1 2001 Volume 10 : Number 223 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Hitchcock meets Gaiman? [David Witzany ] sensual prawns of the night ["Natalie Jane" ] more pointless opinions from yours truly ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: movies, scent ["victorian squid" ] Re: Fegoat stew [Eclipse ] Re: Any recommendations for a Stephenson fan? [steve ] Re: movies, scent ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: more pointless opinions from yours truly [JH3 ] Re: more pointless opinions from yours truly [steve ] Wheelie-bin fun ends in tragedy ["Stewart C. Russell" ] RE: hotail [Jason Miller ] Re: Wheelie-bin fun ends in tragedy ["matt sewell" ] AND...THEY'LL...WIN!!!!! [The Great Quail ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 17:55:19 -0500 (CDT) From: David Witzany Subject: Hitchcock meets Gaiman? Hey! I ran across a stack of Sandman collections at a local bookstore, and thought I'd hunt down the Robyn lyric that someone noted, many moons (years, actually) ago. Does anyone happen to recall the name of the story it was in? Thanks! Dave. David Witzany witzany@uiuc.edu ....one of Nature's bounds checkers - ------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 16:12:44 -0700 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: sensual prawns of the night >>I don't find vampires to be sexy, intriguing, or mysterious > >what about mummys? or seafood? Seafood is sexy, intriguing, *and* mysterious. But Anne Rice could even make seafood seem boring. n. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 17:14:54 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: more pointless opinions from yours truly >From: "Natalie Jane" > >Besides which, I am totally uninterested in vampires. I almost never hear "they're okay" about Anne Rice's Vampire Chronicles. Either you're into it and you love the vampire thing, or you're not and you can't understand why anyone would want to read about bloodsucking ghouls. It doesn't surprise me in the least that you're one of the latter. :) >From: Ken Weingold > >I agree WRT Interview with the Vampire. When I heard that a movie was >being made, the only one I could think of to play Lestat was James >Spader. Tom Cruise wasn't bad, but he wasn't Lestat. James SPADER?! If you say so. I actually think Cruise totally nailed Lestat -- as Louis perceives him in the first book. I was shocked and impressed as hell. Lestat as he comes off in his own book and those following is a somewhat different animal (devil?), and I don't see Cruise's portrayal working there. Rice, of course, always pictured Rutger Hauer, but it would have to be an awfully young and fey Rutger Hauer. I can't really think of any established actors who fit the part both out- and inwardly. >And Banderas >TOTALLY wasn't Armand, in no way, shape, or form. THE most disappointing part of the film. I think he did an excellent job, but he was miscast. He made surprisingly subtle sense of the character, and actually was probably a better choice dramatically, but he wasn't the Armand of the novels. He didn't have the innocence that gave the emptiness some sympathy. >Another total cinematic atrocity of a great book, IMO, was Even >Cowgirls Get The Blues. Wow, did that suck. I didn't think much of either one, though I enjoyed them. >From: Capuchin > >And his essays on human-machine interface and how they reflect the death >of culture are a quick and fascinating read: In the Beginning Was the >Command Line.... ...but of course he's quite wrong. :) I've already forgotten what his specific points were, but I do remember wanting to ram my counterarguments down his smug little 3r33tist throat. - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 12:27:13 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: librarians, books, movies, scent of love > >hey dont forget folks! > >its the 125th anniversary of the dewey decimal classification > Ahhh, surrre, and you even have your party-hat on. (I can give you the # for > the local librarians-anyonomous chapter. but... I thought this list was librarians-anonymous! oh, and on the subject of worst books, I have in my possession - to the delight of my science fiction fannish friends - a book by R. Lionel Fanthorpe! worst record, mind you, is probably a toss-up between Country Joe's "Electronic music from planet Earth" and Spirit's "The adventures of Kaptain Kopter and Commander Cassidy in Potatoland". The latter is saved by it's one lovely song ("My Friend"), so the prize goes to Joe. Movies? "The Avengers", without a doubt. GREAT TV series - but a movie that makes "Highlander 2" seem entertaining. >And on a completely unrelated note, I finally saw "Run, Lola, Run" last >night. Very cool flick. > >"Manni!!!!!!", great movie - one that leaves you feeling like you've spent an hour in the gym (but much more fun). >nag champa(sp) - that imported indian incense >and some various tibetan incenses are quite effective for me. heliotrope (my love), honeysuckle, satsuma, patchouili, sandalwood, cedar, even ylang-ylang, wood smoke, or the smell of morning rain on forest after it's been hot and dry for months (I've never seen that one bottled as an essential oil, though) >Am I the only one here whose starting to hate James for living in a >veritable Garden of Eden? My only consolation is that Robyn has never toured >there. Because if he did--he'd probobly never come back to the hellish >Western hemisphere where most of us poor Fegs reside. He'd just hang out in >James's back garden playing with koura inlaid with greenstone. (Sound of Kay >grinding teeth.) Next time Robyn sings "Trains" we may well hear about >"Basingstoke or ... Dunedin." heh... there are serious disadvantages to living ten thousand miles from anywhere that make up for the pleasant surroundings! The nearest most tours come is Auckland (1500 miles away) - if they come to NZ at all. It's no wonder groups like the Chills started up here - Dunedin had to make its own music! James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 13:07:47 -0500 From: "Bret Bolton" Subject: RE: Bad Bad Chines well, maybe not: Domain Name: HOTAIL.COM Administrative Contact: Gudmundson, Carolyn (CG6635) domains@MICROSOFT.COM Microsoft Corporation One Microsoft Way Redmond, WA 98052 US +1 (425) 882-8080 +1 (425) 936-7329 Technical Contact: MSN NOC (MN5-ORG) msnnoc@MICROSOFT.COM Microsoft Corp One Microsoft Way Redmond, WA 98052 US 425 882 8080 Fax- PATH Billing Contact: idNames, Accounting (IA90-ORG) accounting@IDNAMES.COM idNames from Network Solutions, Inc 440 Benmar Suite #3325 Houston, TX 77060 US 703-742-4777 Fax- - 281-447-1160 Record last updated on 23-Mar-2001. Record expires on 20-Oct-2001. Record created on 20-Oct-2000. Database last updated on 31-May-2001 02:53:00 EDT. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org]On Behalf Of 3 Rose Cottage Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 9:08 AM To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: Bad Bad Chines Hotmails been bouncing up and down recently. I think this should take. Ive found when you type in a common address wrong, like mispelling yahoo or google--you almost always get a porn site, one of the ones you cant just X out off too. This morn I misspelled hotmail as hotail and do you know--no one is using that address. Any of you want to make a fortune.... Id say theres an oppurtunity there just waiting to happen. Quail on Rice: >Does anyone else still read her overblown books out of the same weird > >masochistic streak? Quail--you set that one up on purpose, didnt you? And Im just in the mood to bite. Hard(but you'll like it)(I think;-). Are you referring to the reader's weird masochistic streak as being the same as Rice's weird masochistic streak, or the reader as reading out of a weird masochistic streak they share with you? (This is a faux naive question, but its fun anyway.) In order to answer this question I have to know more about -your- weird masochistic streak. And Rice's. Or do you want to start a "my weird masochistic streak" thread for -all- Fegs? Ahhh--its a beautiful morning in the neighborhood. And no--I dont read Rice much. But I have enjoyed Moorcock.(Oh, bad Kay. Bad bad very bad Kay.) In keeping with what appears to be my theme this morning-- I wrote: >>Feg challange--is there really anywhere a Robyn >>track with -no- lewd or erotic content? ( or no lewd or erotic >>content >>lewd and erotically- minded fegs can read into it)? Brian responded: >Maybe his instrumentals. ;-) Ahh, but what about the titles? "Youll Have to Go Sideways" or "Chinese Water Python"--with my present mood I can disqualify those two pretty quickly. Mahoney: >My sister in law is going to have everyone at >the baby shower bring in a bead then she will make a necklace that >she >will wear until she gives birth to him/her. That is way cool. Beads have been around from about the beginning of time and often had talismatic uses--even now Buddhists, Muhammedians and Christians all use beaded objects for whats basically trance-inducing chanting, a magical act usually done with a specific intention in mind. Also Stephen--how do you come up with these weird book titles? A special search-strategy? Voodoo? Kay--very proud of the last 2 non-provocative paragraphs. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 18:22:43 -0700 From: "victorian squid" Subject: Re: movies, scent On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 12:27:13 James Dignan wrote: >it's one lovely song ("My Friend"), so the prize goes to Joe. Movies? "The >Avengers", without a doubt. GREAT TV series - but a movie that makes >"Highlander 2" seem entertaining. You haven't seen "Starship Troopers" yet, I take it. >it's been hot and dry for months (I've never seen that one bottled as an >essential oil, though) You should write to the folks at Demeter. That's the sort of thing they specialize in. Kay writes: >BTW--Im still looking for that "dirt" perfume you mentioned. That's a Demeter fragrance. Lots of places have it online (beauty.com, ulta,com has a few, sephora.com, gosoak.com). Their own website is http://www.fp1.com/shopping/demeter/demeterhome.html, tho I've heard service is lackadaisacal. These can be real YMMV products. They're made entirely with natural essential oil blends and can be pretty volatile (interestingly, natural blends can also have an odd tendency to smell more "chemical" to some noses than a blend of natural and synthetic :)). And as with all scents they vary wildly with body chemistry, so you might want to look around and try to find them in the flesh. They're only 15 bucks a pop, so you're not out a fortune if you don't like it, but it's still better to try obviously. I've seen them at some department stores (Marshall Field's, Nordstrom's) and at some oddball places like Nature's (a schmancy natural foods grocery store a few blocks from me). Their own store is in NYC, I think in the East Village. I'd like to go there someday and play- word has it there are marvellous scents there that they don't sell anywhere else. Personally, I've known of others who LOVED "Dirt" but I don't actually like it that much with my chemistry. There's a sharp note that lingers on me that I don't like. If you sample it somewhere and like it I'd be willing to send you mine. I suspect that "Tomato" may be more what you're looking for as it smells more "earthy" to me, like the way tomatoes smell on the vine. These things are so subjective, tho, it's hard to tell. My fave is "Gingerale" which I think is perfumer's genius. It actually has an opening note that -smells fizzy- and fades to a summery light ginger smell on the drydown. Sweet. And has a unisex appeal, judging by the fact that I catch Doug using the gingerale shower gel on occasion. loveonya, susan Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 18:28:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Eclipse Subject: Re: Fegoat stew On Thu, 31 May 2001, 3 Rose Cottage wrote: > BTW--Im still looking for that "dirt" perfume you mentioned. the "Dirt" perfume is made by Demeter and should be available at sephora.com. this past weekend i was in Boston and made it to a Sephora store in Burlington, where i purchased "Eau par Kenzo" (yummm) and Demeter's "Rain" scent - wonderful stuff. they also have "Sugar Cookie", "Gingerale", "Angel Food Cake", "Earl Grey Tea", and "Gin & Tonic". definitely check them out - your best bet is physically going to a Sephora store if there is one near you. odiferously, Eclipse - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Eclipse | eclipse@best.com If this is not what you expected, please alter your expectations. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 20:26:09 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Any recommendations for a Stephenson fan? On Thursday, May 31, 2001, at 01:35 PM, Melissa Higuchi wrote: > Any recommendations for a Stephenson fan? Bruce Sterling. And GRAVITY'S RAINBOW. - - Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 18:49:11 -0700 From: "victorian squid" Subject: Re: more pointless opinions from yours truly On Thu, 31 May 2001 17:14:54 Andrew D. Simchik wrote: >If you say so. I actually think Cruise totally nailed >Lestat -- as Louis perceives him in the first book. I did too and it surprised the hell out of me. I didn't actually like the film but I admit he was good. > Lestat as he comesoff in his own book and those following is a somewhat >different animal (devil?), and I don't see Cruise's portrayal working there. That hits the nail on the head. I think most of us who really didn't want Cruise (ok, that was more or less everyone who had an opinion) was thinking of the second book. I wanted David Bowie, myself. He would have been great as that Lestat. He's probably too old now tho. >better choice dramatically, but he wasn't the Armand of >the novels. He didn't have the innocence that gave the >emptiness some sympathy. I agree that he did a great job from an acting standpoint, and also that he didn't quite show the damaged innocence that makes that character appealing, altho I blame the screenplay somewhat for that. I didn't think the screenplay was any great shakes. >I didn't think much of either one, though I enjoyed them. Did anyone else get the impression that -huge- chunks were edited out of that one, to the great detriment of its continuity? I don't think it didn't make sense on purpose. loveonya, susan Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 21:01:29 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: movies, scent >> Movies? "The Avengers", without a doubt. GREAT TV series - but >> a movie that makes "Highlander 2" seem entertaining. On Thursday, May 31, 2001, at 08:22 PM, victorian squid wrote: > You haven't seen "Starship Troopers" yet, I take it. Yow! The Avengers makes Starship Troopers look like Kubrick. And isn't it fun to wallow in Verhoeven's obvious contempt for the source material? It just rolls off the screen. - - Steve __________ It is one thing for a software company to hype a product and then fail to deliver; it is another when the failure concerns nuclear weapons, for which "vaporware" takes on a whole new, literal meaning. - The Editors of Scientific American, on SDI ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 22:29:59 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: movies, scent >Yow! The Avengers makes Starship Troopers look like Kubrick. And isn't >it fun to wallow in Verhoeven's obvious contempt for the source material? >It just rolls off the screen. > > >- Steve Obviously I hold this film in higher regard than most. Troopers is a parody, it is a modern take on the superficial aspects of propaganda film. Verhoeven finds propaganda to be evil and destructive. The dangers of propaganda and the stupidity of the military are in full display in the film. I have never read the book, I know it is supposed to be if not a total departure then a radical one. I really think this film should be viewed as an anti-propaganda film. And oh yeah, I'm a guy and I really like to see stuff blow up :-) Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 21:14:45 -0500 From: JH3 Subject: Re: more pointless opinions from yours truly >>I agree WRT Interview with the Vampire. When I heard >>that a movie was being made, the only one I could think >>of to play Lestat was James Spader. Tom Cruise wasn't >>bad, but he wasn't Lestat. >James SPADER?! Yeah, REALLY! I can't stand any of Anne Rice's work, but even *I* know they should have cast Julian Sands as LeStat! And of course Danny DeVito (or Danny Aiello, either one really) as Louis, and Wilford Brimley as Armand. The Umpire JH3 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 22:53:09 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: more pointless opinions from yours truly On Thursday, May 31, 2001, at 09:14 PM, JH3 wrote: > Yeah, REALLY! I can't stand any of Anne Rice's work, but even > *I* know they should have cast Julian Sands as LeStat! And > of course Danny DeVito (or Danny Aiello, either one really) as > Louis, and Wilford Brimley as Armand. No! Richard E. Grant should have been every character, male and female. - - Steve __________ It is one thing for a software company to hype a product and then fail to deliver; it is another when the failure concerns nuclear weapons, for which "vaporware" takes on a whole new, literal meaning. - The Editors of Scientific American, on SDI ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 01:22:52 -0500 From: JH3 Subject: Re: more pointless opinions from yours truly >> Yeah, REALLY! I can't stand any of Anne Rice's work, but even >> *I* know they should have cast Julian Sands as LeStat! And >> of course Danny DeVito (or Danny Aiello, either one really) as >> Louis, and Wilford Brimley as Armand. >No! Richard E. Grant should have been every character, male and >female. Hmmm... Maybe -- I mean, certainly he was pretty good playing a parody of himself in the "Absolutely Fabulous" 2-hour finale. But if you ask me the only actor capable of pulling off EVERY role in a major Hollywood blockbuster Anne-Rice-novel vampire movie actually died several years ago... *Marty Feldman!* John "I'm in the third group" Hedges III PS. (Well, okay, Peter Sellers too.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 09:31:57 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Wheelie-bin fun ends in tragedy Don't try this at all: http://www.stuff.co.nz/inl/index/0,1008,675183a10,FF.html Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 01:44:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Wheelie-bin fun ends in tragedy "Stewart C. Russell" wrote: > Don't try this at all: > > http://www.stuff.co.nz/inl/index/0,1008,675183a10,FF.html > > Stewart erm, what's a "wheelie-bin?" ===== "Loyalty to a petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul." Mark Twain "For every fatal shooting, there were roughly three non-fatal shootings. And, folks, this is unacceptable in America. It's just unacceptable. And we're going to do something about it." George W. Bush, May 14, 2001 Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:47:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Jason Miller Subject: RE: hotail Nope, Micro$oft has it covered: rubidium:~> whois -h whois.networksolutions.com hotail.com Registrant: Microsoft Corporation (HOTAIL5-DOM) One Microsoft Way Redmond, WA 98052-6399 US Domain Name: HOTAIL.COM And if you go to hottail.com, well, then, you'll find your dirty dirty porn ;) | Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:08:05 -0000 | From: "3 Rose Cottage" | Subject: Bad Bad Chines | | Ive found when you type in a common address wrong, like mispelling yahoo | or google--you almost always get a porn site, one of the ones you cant | just X out off too. This morn I misspelled hotmail as hotail and do you | know--no one is using that address. Any of you want to make a | fortune.... Id say theres an oppurtunity there just waiting to happen. J a s o n M i l l e r ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 12:31:38 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: Wheelie-bin fun ends in tragedy A wheelie bin is a big bin. On wheels. Matt Jeff said: >erm, what's a "wheelie-bin?" > >===== >"Loyalty to a petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul." > Mark Twain > >"For every fatal shooting, there were roughly three non-fatal shootings. And, folks, > this is unacceptable in America. It's just unacceptable. And we're going to do > something about it." > George W. Bush, May 14, 2001 >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 >a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 15:52:59 -0000 From: "3 Rose Cottage" Subject: Miller's Crossing Beaded by Colorful Vampires Stephen: >howabout henry millers rosy crusifiction? I can't decide if Millers terrible or great. I've only read the Tropics. If I read him as if I was a guy very much like Miller--he's great, especially when the prose starts to explode. If I read him as me his attraction/repulsion thing with females, his objectification of others and his overall solipsicm makes his stuff problamatic. Thou the prose still explodes. So do you rec the Rosy Crusifiction--and why? Stephen on Kottke: >leo still has the stuff that he had when he released 6 and 12 string > >guitar the guy is also very funny in a dead pan way. Thats good to know. And he is -very- deadpan. Some of my favorite totally-depressed songs are by him--"Hear the Wind Howl" and "The Cradle to The Grave." Natalie: >Rice's sickly purple prose made me literally feel ill, like I had a > >low-grade fever. Besides which, I am totally uninterested in >vampires. >With apologies to Quail and others, I don't find vampires >to be sexy, >intriguing, or mysterious; I don't want to be one or >pretend to be one. A >really good, inventive writer might be able to >catch my interest with a >book about vampires, but Rice is neither >good nor inventive. Ahhh Natalie--youre helping me out of the closet. Even thou I teased Quail yesterday about it---Im also pretty immune to the whole Rice/Vamp thing. I agree with you about her prose. I realize this makes me totally uncool but its true. Neither vamps nor aliens have ever really been a source of fascination for me. I like Buffy cause its a well-written show with neat characters n occult stuff in general plus a plucky blonde heroine who saved the world alot. I loved a version of Dracula that was on Broadway in the 70s cause it had sets by Gorey and starred Frank Langella in his snake-hipped prime. But otherwise ... Melissa: >i've also done some raku fired ones which are much more >dramatic - metallic glazes and any unglazed clay turns black. These >were >definitely more unique and involved than the stuff I do now >which tends to >be >plainer and more fashiony. My favorite strand of beads is a dark blue > >strand of trading beads from Thailand or Laos. It is an incridubly > >saturated royal blue color that I have not seen anywhere else. Raku stuff is truely beautiful. Are you a potter? Ive got some old Venetion trade beads by way of Africa, also some recent African stuff they make by melting down old soda and beer bottles. Ive never seen Eastern trade beads thou. They sound lovely. Drew: >My favorite colors: dark rich green, velvet red/burgundy, papyrus, >gold, obsidian, any shade of brown except "khaki," purple of all >kinds. Creamsicle orange is rising in the list. Woooow. You describe them so sensuously Im almost converted... or inspired:-): pale bright spring green, ozone thunderstorm purpulish-blue, golden yellow light, iradescent sky blue, shadow blue, aqua, turquoise, hot pink, cherry red, deep crimson red, bronzy maroon or purple, velvet brown, the dark blue sharper than navy, alpine green, apricot, pink-lavender, celedon, ivory. Love light, love color. Some day I want to properly paint a scene of late afternoon sunlight streaking over a lawn--with the sea beyond and a storm over the sea. Oh--and there's a white goat on the lawn. Kay--who one of these days will finially break the no-brainer-getting-dressed-in-the-morning khakis/ bright tee-shirt/ bright polertec top habit and who graduated college abit after Jill, tween Juke Box Music and Misfits. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 12:12:34 -0700 From: The Great Quail Subject: Demeter Susan mentions, >>BTW--Im still looking for that "dirt" perfume you mentioned. > >That's a Demeter fragrance. Lots of places have it online >(beauty.com, ulta,com has a >few, sephora.com, gosoak.com). Their own website is >http://www.fp1.com/shopping/demeter/demeterhome.html, tho I've heard >service is Wow! hey, I designed that site! (Well, most of it. They wouldn't give me the full time to eliminate the off-white rectangles, and some of the elements were by other designers. And I wanted to work in a whole modernized Greek goddess motif, but that was nixed.) Demeter was my favorite client when I worked at Fashion Planet -- the owner is a great guy, very non-pretentious, and I used to get the coolest free samples! Of course, my girlfriend -- one LJ Lindhurst -- has no sense of smell, so many of the samples were less than appreciated, but at least I got to wear Earthworm! They also make clothing -- really strange clothing inspired by Victorian and Edwardian styles. It's pretty pricey, though -- I almost plunked down far too much for a deep purple and black long-tailed velvet smoking jacket..... >Their own store is in NYC, I think in the East Village. I'd like to >go there someday >and play- word has it there are marvellous scents there that they >don't sell anywhere else. That's true, and better yet, they *encourage* play -- they have a great store in the East Village, with plenty of scenters and other stuff. The owner is usually hanging around, and loves to talk about their more offbeat scents! My favorite is the "Virtual Kink" gift set - -- Leather, Rubber and Vinyl! - --The Great "I can't believe I'm in this thread" Quail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 12:52:43 -0700 From: The Great Quail Subject: AND...THEY'LL...WIN!!!!! Max writes, >Obviously I hold this film in higher regard than most. Troopers is >a parody, it is a modern take on the superficial aspects of >propaganda film. Verhoeven finds propaganda to be evil and >destructive. The dangers of propaganda and the stupidity of the >military are in full display in the film. I have never read the >book, I know it is supposed to be if not a total departure then a >radical one. I really think this film should be viewed as an >anti-propaganda film. And oh yeah, I'm a guy and I really like to >see stuff blow up :-) I am usually not a "me, too!" poster, but since "Starship Troopers" is so frequently maligned, I have to chime in with a hearty, "me too!" I am glad someone else sees this side of the film. I think the movie has flaws, sure -- I mean, the acting can be terrible, the dialogue is hokey, and DOOGIE HAUSER???? But on the other hand, as Steve mentioned, Verhoeven takes a really sardonic look at Heinlein that almost begs me to use words like "deconstructive" and so on. I love the way the movie totally buys into its own conceit -- and lets face it, how else could we win such a war? There's something to be said for the fascist mentality when it comes to propagating your species against an interstellar "enemy." It's embrace of fascism is food for thought, and the truly sinister moments come in small places -- like Michael Ironside's comments about "the failure of Democracy," and the use of voting as a manifestation of violence; and the one female soldier's comments about having joined the service "because she wanted to have children, and it's easier to get a license." I loved those little moments. I also loved the way it used every single cliche in the World War II Movie Handbook -- it was so unapologetic in it's gung-ho, rah-rah attitude. And that is of course contrasted by scenes of shocking violence -- Verhoeven's black humor at work. And...I also liked Denise Richardson! Yes, you are reading me correctly. I think her perky character was dead-on. I have known plenty of female engineering types, straight-A students who were gorgeous and perky and could easily pilot starships with a big happy grin. (And they always were very polite in turning me down for a date.) So overall, I have to say I give "Staship Troopers" a thumbs-up, and I have actually seen it seven times. And oh yeah, I'm a guy and I really like to see stuff blow up :-) - --Quail PS: Other movies that I think were woefully misunderstood by the unwashed masses: "The Fifth Element," "Bram Stoker's Dracula," "Natural Born Killers" and "The Butcher Boy." PPS: No, LJ, "Passion in the Desert" just plain sucked. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #223 ********************************