From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #221 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, May 31 2001 Volume 10 : Number 221 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: fIREHOSE & Indifferent Man ["brian nupp" ] Re: Chining in [Stephen Mahoney ] Re: Bad books! Bad! [Capuchin ] more stormy book discussion ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] even more book stuff ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: books ["Joseph S. Barrera III" ] Re: even more book stuff [Stephen Mahoney ] Re: Worst book ever ["victorian squid" ] Re: even more book stuff ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: In coral and lots of jade ["victorian squid" ] Re: Lensman [steve ] In Kaikoura and in jade [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Worst book ever [steve ] 1979 ["brian nupp" ] henry chinaski [Stephen Mahoney ] Fantasy time [steve ] Fast Forward (or Robyn with gas in his nose) [Jill Brand ] off topic ["Mike Hooker" ] Re: LoTR Fantasy time (no RH content) ["Mike wells" ] Re:In coral & lots of jade ["ross taylor" ] the scent of love [GSS ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:46:49 -0400 From: "brian nupp" Subject: Re: fIREHOSE & Indifferent Man >Chas in LA writes - I miss fIREHOSE Saw them once in Cleveland in 1988 and they were an intense treat indeed! I believe SCRAWL opened up for them. I wish I would've recorded that show. :( Nuppy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:03:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: Chining in On Wed, 30 May 2001, 3 Rose Cottage wrote: > Mahoney: > >the first two titles are by the "balzac of melrose place" > >sex toys of the gods > >glamourpuss > Must ask the obvious. And who, pray tell, -is- the Balzac of Melrose Place? Christian Mclaughlin. > More from Stephen: > >hey dont forget folks! > >its the 125th anniversary of the dewey decimal classification > Ahhh, surrre, and you even have your party-hat on. (I can give you the # for > the local librarians-anyonomous chapter. You seem abit, well, Ross and Poole > and I are thinking of staging an intervention. Youre obviously in deep-- so > its that or that unspeakable fate--Library School! GET HELP WHILE YOU STILL > CAN!(Or start writing your comics;-) perhaps this title can be of help: Doktor Snake's Voodoo Spellbook :Spells curses and folk magic for all your needs - -With lucky mojo doll! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:38:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Bad books! Bad! On Wed, 30 May 2001, Christopher Gross wrote: > Douglas Coupland -- unlike gNat, I did finish Generation X, but I > didn't really like it. This was a big disappointment, because I was > full of early 90s GenX angst and expected the book to really speak to > me. Instead, I found all the main characters so annoying and obnoxious > that I couldn't identify with them at all.... I'm a huge fan of Coupland, but I haven't read Generation X. What little of it I've glanced through, bears out your analysis. > I've also read Coupland's next three books, Shampoo Planet, Life After > God and Microserfs, and in my opinon they get progressively better. > It's kind of like Anne Rice's career in reverse. (He has written at > least two books since Microserfs, which I haven't read yet. Do they > continue the trend?) I came at Coupland first with Shampoo Planet (which my high school girlfriend gave me when we were first away from each other at college) and I couldn't really relate. I read it again three or four years later and really enjoyed it. I read his books from there forward pretty much in order. Polaroids of the Dead is perhaps a bit pretentious (and Life After god surprisingly isn't)... Those two are of a kind... not really novels, per se. I REALLY liked Girlfriend in a Coma when I read it (just after its release). And I found the incessant Smiths quotes charming. (It's not like Stephen King where the quotes sit up on top of the chapter headings and tell you what music to hear in your head, no... the quotes are disguised as prose in the actual text of the book. "Annie and Tom decided to go for a walk where it's quiet and dry and talk about precious things." I'm paraphrasing, but that's how it goes.) I have a copy of Miss Wyoming which I haven't read yet. Viv read it and wasn't too impressed, but I don't think she likes Couland's work really at all. Though, to be fair, she hasn't read Microserfs, which is quite good across the board. And I love that it was written when Wired sent Doug Coupland to Microsoft to write a journalistic piece about life there. He came back with what is essentially the first chapter and they had to publish it because he wouldn't give them anything else. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:37:14 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: more stormy book discussion >From: The Great Quail > >I agree with Susan on this one -- there are heaps of worst books, but >few of them make assumptions to be literature or even good fiction. Of course. My contention was simply that Bret Easton Ellis's books are not, in my opinion, as bad as they're usually made out to be. The writing style (full of run-on sentences, heavy-handed imagery, and content-free dialogue) is very clearly deliberate; like it or not, it's an obvious stylistic decision and one that I think works effectively with his subject matter. There's a lot to criticize about Ellis, but I think it's all in the content: he's nihilistic (never presents alternatives to his worlds of vapidity and horror), he repeats himself, he exaggerates, he wallows in gore (after The Rules of Attraction he essentially became a horror author), he has a queasy ambivalence toward his loathsome characters and their values. >Also, I *hate* Crichton. To me he is in the same league as someone like Dean Koontz. I can't take him seriously as a writer; his prose is truly and stylelessly awful, and he takes interesting ideas and immediately fails to develop them. >I thought Anne Rice's first two vampire books were great, but after >that -- well, I kept reading her stuff out of some weird masochism I >guess. I only wish she would get an editor. Does anyone else still >read her overblown books out of the same weird masochistic streak? I've read quite a lot since then. Interview with the Vampire and The Vampire Lestat were her two best, I'd agree. The Mummy was a decent romance novel, much better than the unrelated movie. I was surprised to love the overblown Cry to Heaven, but then I like stories about androgynous, ambisexual castrati with heavenly singing voices perhaps more than others would. I was okay with Queen of the Damned. Tale of the Body Thief was pretty annoying, and Memnoch the Devil was a pile of feces. The other "Vampire Chronicles" were instantly forgettable, and I have either been unable to start or unable to finish The Witching Hour (*interminable*), Violin (godawful), and The Feast of All Saints (impenetrable). Even The Vampire Armand was no big deal. Those first two books are enough for me to be ever-grateful to Rice but the less said about the rest the better. >And Stephen King can write some pretty good stuff -- when he doesn't >flub the endings! I think he's *great* at characterization, and he's >really a good storyteller. I haven't read King since I was a kid, but on the strength of the stuff he wrote before 1990 I would definitely agree. He created a lot of bad habits in me as a writer, but there's a lot there to admire when you get down to it (except, as you say, the endings). >that he actually blurbed Thomas Harris' atrociously-written >"Hannibal" as an example of *literature?* Eeeeek! What the hell happened there? I thought Red Dragon and Silence of the Lambs were really good. Hannibal could have been a completely different author. Another author I like a lot who will probably draw criticism: Clive Barker. In recent years his books have been increasingly bad (Galilee was embarrassing) but his short stories, Cabal, Weaveworld, Imajica, and a few others remain some of my favorite books. Terrifically imaginative stuff, I thought (but absolute stinkers of movies!). - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:51:31 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: even more book stuff >From: "Natalie Jane" > >I've been trying to think of the worst book I've ever read... "Generation X" >springs to mind, but I didn't read the whole thing. It was pretty bad, but I think Girlfriend in a Coma was worse. I liked Microserfs a lot, and also generally enjoyed Shampoo Planet, so it's taken me a while to admit that I think Douglas Coupland pretty much sucks otherwise. To me he's what you get when you cross Dave Eggers and Bret Easton Ellis, with a mix of their strengths and faults. More ME TOOs: Terry Pratchett, Piers Anthony (bad); Wasp Star demos (good); Velvet Goldmine (some good aspects but mostly disappointing); Christian Bale (creepy as hell and miscast in that film); Velvet Goldmine soundtrack covers (oh my yes). - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:00:11 -0700 From: "Joseph S. Barrera III" Subject: Re: books Also sprach Ken Ostrander: > infinite jest by w.f. wallace. just got it. I've read this -- twice (plus a couple false starts). It's an incredible book, well worth the time and effort it takes to read. And it's very funny, and very sad, and very true. - - Joe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:27:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: even more book stuff On Wed, 30 May 2001, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > Velvet Goldmine (some good aspects but mostly disappointing); Christian Bale > (creepy as hell and miscast in that film); loved him in american psycho- loved how shallow he portrayed the character. loved how he gave reviews of phil collins or huey lewis as he was about to make mince meat of his victims, loved that part where he was actually honest and the shrink thought he was totally putting him on!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 18:04:12 -0700 From: "victorian squid" Subject: Re: Worst book ever On Wed, 30 May 2001 14:02:52 The Great Quail wrote: >sense. Well, ok, that can be said of Burroughs, who I like, but I >think Burroughs is more mesmerizing than Brautigan. I think it's just boring. I tried to read it in high school around the same time that I was devouring Burroughs and books about Dylan and the kabbalah. If I didn't like it when I was primed for it I probably wouldn't now. Incidentally, Bob Dylan's "Tarantula" is pretty similar in style (tho a lot more obviously beat-influenced), except that I enjoyed it more than Brautigan. Sure, parts of it are boring prose-poetry wank, but some parts of it are laugh out loud funny. It's definitely worth a flip-through, at least. I got it used for around two dollars. Another actually good hippie-era book I got for around two dollars and don't see people mention too often is "Been Down So Long It Looks Like Up To Me" by Richard Farina. >I thought Anne Rice's first two vampire books were great, but after >that -- well, I kept reading her stuff out of some weird masochism I >guess. I only wish she would get an editor. Does anyone else still >read her overblown books out of the same weird masochistic streak? Ok, I -did-. I stopped buying them after "Witching Hour". They were just getting gothic formulaic to the point that I was bored. You need to understand that as a young adolescent (12-13) I read all of these Victoria Holt and Georgette Heyer books, so I kinda felt that I'd been there too many times, and even adding more sex to these tired old characterizations/plots (admittedly a welcome addition) wasn't gonna help the fact that I'd read these books a dozen times already. I'm a sucker for this stuff so when I say enough, we're -way- past what ought to be enough. >I have yet to read "Geek Love." I haven't read it either. I have heard good things about it from people other than Jeme also. >I have no opinions on replying styles. I do. I hate top-posting. loveonya, susan Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 18:22:57 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: even more book stuff At 05:27 PM 5/30/2001 -0700, Stephen Mahoney wrote: >On Wed, 30 May 2001, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > > Velvet Goldmine (some good aspects but mostly disappointing); Christian > Bale > > (creepy as hell and miscast in that film); > >loved him in american psycho- loved how shallow he portrayed the >character. loved how he gave reviews of phil collins or huey lewis as he >was about to make mince meat of his victims, loved that part where he was >actually honest and the shrink thought he was totally putting him on!!! I thought all that stuff worked much better in the books (especially the record criticism), but on the whole I would agree he was better cast as a reptilian executive/serial killer than an earnest, dewy young glam fan. - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 18:39:14 -0700 From: "victorian squid" Subject: Re: In coral and lots of jade On Wed, 30 May 2001 18:04:01 3 Rose Cottage wrote: >externalize your inner states. Different things Ive made symbolise different >things to me, different energies--and I choose to wear them at specific >times with consiousness of that. This isn't quite the same as -making- adornment, but I feel the same way about my perfumes. It's sort of like, "what do I want to smell like today?" is a big part of "how do I feel today?". It can also be about "how do I -want- to feel?", or even "who do I want to be?". Definitely it has a great effect on my mood. I only really noticed this after I'd stopped smoking. Unfortunately it means that I ended up not saving any money from having quit. It also means when people talk about "what fragrance do guys like?" or "what do women like?" I'm kind of like "huh?". To me it isn't really about that. It's also way too individual a thing to talk about that way. We've all got different associations and that's what makes the whole thing interesting. And just to forestall this line of inquiry, no, I do not make them myself. It's a complex art that takes time to learn and frankly, some natural gift is required too and I ain't got it. The irony is Doug, who is still smoking, and doesn't give a flying fuck about any of this, has a much better nose than I do. >I wonder if there are a disproportonate number of Fegs who gravitate towards >green? Its obviously one of Robyn's favored colors. I wouldnt be suprised. I I do like hunter green a lot, bright greens not so much. I wouldn't say that I strongly gravitate to it the way I do towards cherry reds tho. loveonya, susan Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 21:15:08 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Lensman On Wednesday, May 30, 2001, at 01:46 PM, Richard Zeszotarski wrote: > Sorry, but i could never get into Don Bluth. I found "Secret of N.I.M.H." > dull at age 9, and never liked the excessively "twitchy" movements of his > characters, although i did find the look of "Titan A.E." impressive, even > if the story is an unapologetic ripoff of "Lensman"). And Lensman owes more to Star Wars than it does to the books, but it is good fun. If you want to wash that Bluth taste out of your mouth, I must recommend - My Neighbor Totoro Kiki's Delivery Service Princess Mononoke The Castle of Cagliostro all by Hayao Miyazaki http://www.nausicaa.net/miyazaki/films/ - - Steve __________ "we must therefore reject the central animating idea of modern Establishment Clause analysis: that taxpayers have a constitutional right to insist that none of their taxes be used for religious purposes." - Michael McConnell, Bush Circuit Court nominee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:24:51 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: In Kaikoura and in jade >Dignan: >>as the Kaikoura coast is one of the top areas for marine mammals in >> >coastal waters in the world. >Where in NZ is Kaikoura, and I have to ask--how is it pronounced? >Sounds pretty cool. northeast of the South Island, about 400 miles north of here - I travelled past there about a year ago on my way back from a lovely long holiday around the North Island. The mountains, ISTR, come out of the sea and just stand there - truly awesome - imagine Diamond Head in Hawaii and you'll know what I mean. There are two ways of pronouncing it, the correct way and the usual way ;) Correctly, kye-COW-rah; usually kye-KOO-ruh. It means eating crayfish (kai = food, koura = lobster or crayfish), which is a local delicacy. FWIW, and touching on another recent thread, the Maori name for the South Island is Te Wai o Pounamu, the water of greenstone. Pounamu/greenstone is a specific type of jade, highly valued (both economically and spiritually) by the Maori, and workable into beautiful jewellery. >Speaking of word Fegs. Thanks for all the wonderful chine info. Its a good >word--there are some chines on the eastern end of Long Island but no one >knows what to call them--"those sand, shale cliff things with chasms tween >em over there." I hope you looked up that website address I posted about three or four digests back as well, on that subject. >>From: "3 Rose Cottage" Feg challange--is there really anywhere a Robyn >>track with -no- lewd or >>erotic content? ( or no lewd or erotic content lewd and erotically- minded >>fegs can read into it)? > >Maybe his instrumentals. ;-) so what is a Chinese Water Python anyway? ;) James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 21:53:21 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Worst book ever On Wednesday, May 30, 2001, at 08:04 PM, victorian squid wrote: > Another actually good hippie-era book I got for around two dollars and > don't see > people mention too often is "Been Down So Long It Looks Like Up To Me" by > Richard Farina. I just heard David Hajdu on the radio last week, talking about his book called Positively 4th Street: The Lives and Times of Joan Baez, Bob Dylan, Mimi Baez Farina, and Richard Farina. Very interesting, and it turns out that Thomas Pynchon thinks well enough of Farina that he was willing to correspond fairly extensively with Hajdu. - - Steve __________ It's widely expected that when Congress renews the 1996 welfare law next year, social conservatives will press to earmark millions of dollars for marriage education, require states to end some income tests that discourage parents from getting married, and reward single mothers with cash bonuses if they marry the child's father. - Mary Leonard, Boston Globe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 22:58:42 -0400 From: "brian nupp" Subject: 1979 Are there no known recordings of the Soft Boys playing live in 1979? What gives? Nuppy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:54:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: henry chinaski anyone else out there a fan of hank? howabout henry millers rosy crucifixion trilogy? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 23:27:50 -0500 From: steve Subject: Fantasy time There's a new LOTR trailer at lordoftherings.net, and a little slate article on some fantasy authors at http://slate.msn.com/culturebox/entries/ 01-05-30_108987.asp. - - Steve __________ No previous administration has tried to sell its economic plans on such false pretenses. And this from a man who ran for president on a promise to restore honor and integrity to our nation's public life. - Paul Krugman, on Bush, from his book Fuzzy Math. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 08:53:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: Fast Forward (or Robyn with gas in his nose) Woj sent me the video original (PAL format) of Robyn's interview on the German show Fast Forward (February 2001, I think). I can make dubs from the original (I have a PAL/NTSC converter) for anyone interested for trades or blanks/postage. The tape is 2 hours long; a bit over an hour of it is the interview and cuts from Storefront Hitchcock. Interspersed are videos of the hottest sounds in Germany today (oy). It's quite a lot of fun, and you get to hear Robyn mess with his German, talk about interpreting songs, and learn about the interviewer's boyfriend (he seemed very interested). E-mail me privately if you are interested. I am going away for the weekend, but will get back to you early next week if you e-mail me. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 09:28:15 -0400 From: "Mike Hooker" Subject: off topic hi, leo kottke is playing a gig near my home next week, 30.00 tickets. worth seeing ?? thanks take at look at my music trading list http://pages.zdnet.com/mikehooker/hookstradingpage have fun, Mike Hooker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 08:23:27 -0500 From: "Mike wells" Subject: Re: LoTR Fantasy time (no RH content) > There's a new LOTR trailer at lordoftherings.net, and a little slate > article on some fantasy authors at http://slate.msn.com/culturebox/entries/ > 01-05-30_108987.asp For a list of the mirror sites where you can download the trailer from, see: http://www.tolkien-movies.com/media/officialtrailers.shtml BTW www.theonering.net seems to be keeping pretty good tabs on where scooped production shots are being shown. Direct links are as follows: http://lotr.wz.cz./ http://thesilentman.nexen.net http://www.elbakin.com/film/images/exclusif.htm http://www.elostirion.com/index.htm (check out the Orthanc pic!) Cheers, Michael who's taken more than one shortcut to mushrooms . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 09:35:05 -0700 From: The Great Quail Subject: Clancy! Farina! Stephenson! And Eb! Chris writes, >I can't quite give up on her, the way I >have with, say, Tom Clancy. Oh man, yeah! I read every single Clancy novel, and I curse myself as I do it -- with each ones, he gets more shrill, less concerned with distinguishing his characters from each other, and more concerned with espousing his Right-wing politics than spinning a good yarn. When will I learn? But I do think both Clancy and Rice are similar in a way -- both have such cultish, slavishly supportive fans they decided they don't need editors, both are fond of using the same characters over and over again (just the names change), and both write with a cloying, overblown, pompous style that repeats, over and over again, the exact same descriptions, phrases, dialogues, and adjectives.... Steve writes, >Very interesting, and it turns out that Thomas Pynchon thinks well >enough of Farina that he was willing to correspond fairly >extensively with Hajdu. They were buddies at Cornell. Pynchon even introduced an edition of "Been Down So Long." http://www.TheModernWord.com/pynchon/pynchon_essays_farina.html http://www.TheModernWord.com/pynchon/pynchon_music_farina.html By the way, I am reading -- for the first time -- Neal Stephenson's "Cryptonomicon," which is blowing me away -- I am only 200 pages into it, and it's one of the best books I've read in a long time. And suddenly, there on page 180 or something, is a character named -- Eb! And what does Eb look like? A fellow with a reddish beard, and uncontrollable long reddish-blonde hair -- in other words, like me! Eeeeeek! - --Quail - -- +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ The Great Quail, K.S.C. (riverrun Discordian Society, Kibroth-hattaavah Branch) For fun with postmodern literature, New York vampires, and Fegmania, visit Sarnath: http://www.rpg.net/quail "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 09:52:53 -0400 From: jill sunderlin Subject: henry chinaski, henry miller, madison smartt bell >anyone else out there a fan of hank? >howabout henry millers rosy crucifixion trilogy? read way lots of hank years ago -- but doesn't it get to be all the same book? Henry Miller -- as I've aged or something, my favorite book of his now is "The Colosssus of Marosussi." One of the better travel books on Greece I've read. The rest lives ok, but I won't read them again. Anais Nin as well. So Madison Smartt Bell -- I'm curious if anyone's read his writing. jill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:08:05 -0000 From: "3 Rose Cottage" Subject: Bad Bad Chines Hotmails been bouncing up and down recently. I think this should take. Ive found when you type in a common address wrong, like mispelling yahoo or google--you almost always get a porn site, one of the ones you cant just X out off too. This morn I misspelled hotmail as hotail and do you know--no one is using that address. Any of you want to make a fortune.... Id say theres an oppurtunity there just waiting to happen. Quail on Rice: >Does anyone else still read her overblown books out of the same weird > >masochistic streak? Quail--you set that one up on purpose, didnt you? And Im just in the mood to bite. Hard(but you'll like it)(I think;-). Are you referring to the reader's weird masochistic streak as being the same as Rice's weird masochistic streak, or the reader as reading out of a weird masochistic streak they share with you? (This is a faux naive question, but its fun anyway.) In order to answer this question I have to know more about -your- weird masochistic streak. And Rice's. Or do you want to start a "my weird masochistic streak" thread for -all- Fegs? Ahhh--its a beautiful morning in the neighborhood. And no--I dont read Rice much. But I have enjoyed Moorcock.(Oh, bad Kay. Bad bad very bad Kay.) In keeping with what appears to be my theme this morning-- I wrote: >>Feg challange--is there really anywhere a Robyn >>track with -no- lewd or erotic content? ( or no lewd or erotic >>content >>lewd and erotically- minded fegs can read into it)? Brian responded: >Maybe his instrumentals. ;-) Ahh, but what about the titles? "Youll Have to Go Sideways" or "Chinese Water Python"--with my present mood I can disqualify those two pretty quickly. Mahoney: >My sister in law is going to have everyone at >the baby shower bring in a bead then she will make a necklace that >she >will wear until she gives birth to him/her. That is way cool. Beads have been around from about the beginning of time and often had talismatic uses--even now Buddhists, Muhammedians and Christians all use beaded objects for whats basically trance-inducing chanting, a magical act usually done with a specific intention in mind. Also Stephen--how do you come up with these weird book titles? A special search-strategy? Voodoo? Kay--very proud of the last 2 non-provocative paragraphs. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 10:56:17 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: Re:In coral & lots of jade Kay-- >When you make stuff for yourself its abit of a magical > act Stephen Mahoney-- >Yes I believe that the making of anything craft or art is in part an act of magic. I always thought there was a bit of witchcraft in my sister's wool products--for one thing she took hair off of *goats*, for another, she didn't mind using commercial dyes but she prefered making natural dyes from available plants. The problem (or maybe a plus?) is that natural dyes tend to have muted tones, mostly browns, yellows or oranges. I think mullen leaves gave orange. The closest she could come to blue was a purply-dark-grey from boiling these slick, rubbery lichens that grow on big rocks in our part of the country. I guess that's Hitchcockian, lichen liquor. And there's something about watching a herd of goats that makes you know you're not in the suburbs. Long-haired mohair goats w/ full, white beards hanging from their jaws & gnarly horns kinda like the goat on the Goat's Head Soup insert. Supposedly they were the first domesticated farm animal in the fertile crescent. So there you are: goats->Egypt->Egyptians->Robyn Hitchcock Ross Taylor Free Eudora allows only 48 keystrokes on a line. The previous line is exactly 48 keystrokes long. In fact, all three of these reach 48 keystrokes. Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 11:09:41 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: the scent of love > It's sort of like, "what do I want to smell like today?" is a big part > of "how do I feel today?". It can also be about "how do I -want- to > feel?", or even "who do I want to be?". Definitely it has a great > effect on my mood. I only really noticed Since I don't wear perfume or cologne ever, the only thing that determines how I will smell, besides the tobacco is whether I have sex in the morning before or after I shower. The sex scent lasts all day and I can't think of a better all purpose odor, except maybe a woodland bois or cannabis or maybe jasmine. gSs ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #221 ********************************