From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #219 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, May 30 2001 Volume 10 : Number 219 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Pearl Harbor [Melissa Higuchi ] Feg Chine too ["3 Rose Cottage" ] Anubis ["Renee Haggart" ] worst...communication medium...EVER ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: worst...communication medium...EVER [Stephen Mahoney ] Re: worst...communication medium...EVER [Capuchin ] Kaikoura (was Re: Pearl Harbor) [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] August 23rd [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: worst...communication medium...EVER ["victorian squid" ] Re: Feg Chine too [steve ] and I was very intreeged ["victorian squid" ] Re: Happy the Golden Prince ["brian nupp" ] Re: Feg Chine [=b ] Re: Feels like August 23rd [Eb ] Re: Feels like August 23rd [Terrence Marks ] Re: Feg Chine too [Eclipse ] Re: Happy the Golden Prince [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Feels like August 23rd ["brian nupp" ] Re: Feg Chine [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Feg Chine too ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Paging Kay W ["Mike wells" ] In coral and in jade ["3 Rose Cottage" ] Re: In coral and in jade [Viv Lyon ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 17:25:08 -0000 From: Melissa Higuchi Subject: Re: Pearl Harbor Mike Swedene said: > I didn\'t go see it this weekend. I heard it is like > that other movie about a sinking ship... in the end > the ship sinks, people die, \"beautiful\" (?) people > fall in \"love/lust,\" and some \"pop diva\" sings a > terrible song in it for the \"theme\" song. I never > knew they wrote a song called \"Schmuckola.\" I admit it. I was one of the ones who abandoned the list to go see Pearl Harbor. I have excuses though - from Honolulu & Dad worked at the shipyard for years. Yes it is a lot like that other movie. 1 1/2 hr into the movie and I was wondering where the bombs were. You could always tell when scenes were supposed to be memorable or important by the MOVING music that would start playing. The explosions and battle scenes were spectacular but the parts between them were annoying and distracting in my opinion. Ben Affleck and Josh Hartnett do look good in uniforms but not that good. I\'d have to agree with the DC City Paper review that said that few lines of dialogue in the movie would not be improved by hearing them over an explosion. Melissa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 17:43:16 -0000 From: "3 Rose Cottage" Subject: Feg Chine too More Fegbooks I cant believe I was doing SF/fantasy and forgot Tim Powers, especially The Anubus Gates, The Stress of Her Regard or On Stranger Tides. Its great, strange, intelligent fantasy/horror. Also concur with the other Jill's husband bout Susan Cooper and Alan Garner. Ross--someone else whose read Cordwainer Smith! I never thought Id meet anyone else with a taste for him. Hes very lyrical, very evocative, very sad. Makes my soul ache. Carole: You read Lapidary J and Beadwork too! Does that mean you -do- beadwork? Just this fall I had my first show (with some paintings and needlework too) and actually sold stuff--including this long embellished in a thousand ways circular-funky-peoyte stitch animal/vegtable snake of many colors which, well, looked like it came out of a Robyn song. What sort of jewlery or beading do you do? Does anyone else like to do craftwork? Russ; >I'm liking the mistique this adds to the date. I love "mistique, ... its a mist-shrouded Caribbean island of mystery. Im packing my bags now. Sometimes mistakes make words cooler-its like it a way for your unconsious to play with them. Kay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:10:40 -0700 From: "Renee Haggart" Subject: Anubis Interestingly enough, when I once "spoke" to Robyn online, the subject of books came up and I recommended Powers to him (specifically Stress and Gates). He politely thanked me but of course I have no idea whether he read, or cared. Cheers! Renee >More Fegbooks >I cant believe I was doing SF/fantasy and forgot Tim Powers, >especially The >Anubus Gates, The Stress of Her Regard or On Stranger Tides. Its >great, >strange, intelligent fantasy/horror. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:50:32 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: worst...communication medium...EVER >From: "victorian squid" >On Mon, 28 May 2001 22:18:46 Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > >(snip) > >You know, "Worst Book Ever" wasn't meant to be taken dead seriously. You posted an opinion. I posted mine. I don't see the problem. > >Pat Cadigan's cyberpunk novels. I suppose they don't count either > >because they're "genre." > >That'd be scathing if I'd actually meant what you thought I meant. I knew exactly what you meant. I don't see why it's scathing. I was just wondering if you made any distinction between books that aspire to the status of Literature (which Ellis's seem to) and books that aspire to be good SF (which I assume Cadigan's seem to). >From: Stephen Mahoney > >but american psycho was a very good film!IMHO Actually, I didn't like it very much. :) But I will allow that it was better than I'd expected it to be. The film adaptation of LESS THAN ZERO was about as good (i.e., not) as I'd expected, on the other hand. Can I put in a plea for editing posts that people reply to? Like, try to make sure the original lines you post outnumber the ones you quote? Thanks! - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 19:19:12 -0000 From: "3 Rose Cottage" Subject: Disch and all diss Kay: >>Camp Concentration by Brian Aldiss Steve: >Thomas Disch Kay: Arrgghhhh. (Ritual hacking off of hair, clothes, limbs anything handy...or unhandy. Ashes piled upon whats left of head.) Yes, yes--Aldiss is a much more convential writer than Disch. How could I have... Alas for the maligne powers of the dreaded brain-fart, able to unreference librarians in a single ... er,... blow;-) Kay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:10:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: worst...communication medium...EVER I can see your point, in that life is too complicated without having to read a one to four word fragment as a reply. But since scanning a message for something of interest can also be laborious then I thought being brief and to the point would at least save that. In other words, since I have nothing at all to comment on, why waste everyones time and just get to the point...of course I could just not reply at all, which is often what I do, .....ahhhh there now its longer than the post. :) - -Mahoney On Tue, 29 May 2001, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > > Can I put in a plea for editing posts that people reply to? > Like, try to make sure the original lines you post outnumber > the ones you quote? Thanks! > > -- > Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com > http://www.stormgreen.com/ Stephen Mahoney Multnomah County Library at Rockwood branch clerk stephenm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us 503-988-5396 fax 503-988-5178 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 14:21:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mahoney Subject: Re: wurst...liver...EVER( or actual book titles) the first two titles are by the "balzac of melrose place" sex toys of the gods glamourpuss this one is a non-fiction title: extraordinary chickens hey dont forget folks! its the 125th anniversary of the dewey decimal classification woooooo hooooooo!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 17:57:57 -0400 From: "brian nupp" Subject: Happy the Golden Prince Um...oh, I wrote that in 1980. I was playing the guitar in a basement, and I thought of Happy the Golden Prince as a, sort of, Chinese lad wandering through the patty fields. But I went away and wrote it up, and in fact it turned out to be about a penis (which is completely different). And then we had that chant at the end. That was originally gonna go on Black Snake Diamond Role. But I've got other stuff from that same session which fortunately hasn't got any lewd or erotic content in it, and that's being released. - -Robyn Hitchcock April 30 1986 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 16:19:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: worst...communication medium...EVER On Tue, 29 May 2001, Stephen Mahoney wrote: > I can see your point, in that life is too complicated without having to > read a one to four word fragment as a reply. But since scanning a message > for something of interest can also be laborious then I thought being brief > and to the point would at least save that. In other words, since I have > nothing at all to comment on, why waste everyones time and just get to the > point...of course I could just not reply at all, which is often what I do, > .....ahhhh there now its longer than the post. :) Actually, it wasn't longer than the post, but it was longer than the bit you quoted, which was Drew's point, I think. It's actually quite old netiquette. If you're going to quote in a reply, try to quote just the relevant bits. If someone's really curious to see the whole post two which you've replied, there are always the archives. It used to be that a particular mailing list or newsgroup also decided up front (or de facto) whether replies would come at the bottom or top of quoted material. But I guess that's gone away since the advent of the graphical mail client. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 11:47:33 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Kaikoura (was Re: Pearl Harbor) >3) How is New Zealand doing? I saw that a big truck >with rat poison careened off a cliff and lost its load >of poison into the water near a habitat or a favorite >feeding ground of whales and dolphins. Anything to >report? (God bless FOX news) they're still awaiting the outcome of tests, but so far there doesn't seem to have been much harm to the sealife. Which is a big relief, as the Kaikoura coast is one of the top areas for marine mammals in coastal waters in the world. Whales feed only a few hundred metres offshire there. There's some possibility some seals may have been affected by the poison, but it's not definite at the moment. The irony of it is the poison was a Conservation Department shipment, on its way to clear an island of pests before it became a bird sanctuary. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 11:54:05 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: August 23rd Why assume it's a musical date? August 23rd is the day of the execution of William Wallace. It is St Thomas Benizi's day. It is the day Len Hutton broke Don Bradman's record for most runs in a test innings. It is the birthday of Louis XVI, is a national holiday in Laos, and was also (until 1990) in Romania. Unlike May 30th, which is an ordinary sort of day James (who suddenly feels a year older) James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 17:15:59 -0700 From: "victorian squid" Subject: Re: worst...communication medium...EVER On Tue, 29 May 2001 11:50:32 Andrew D. Simchik wrote: >You posted an opinion. I posted mine. I don't see the problem. Well, I kind of picked up a current of hostility. You seemed to be under the impression that calling this particular author pretentious was equivalent to calling -you- pretentious (hence the phrase "Maybe I'm pretentious"), or at the very least a backhanded way of saying you don't have any taste. I was only talking about the book. Additionally, you bring up some other books you think are worse, leading me to believe you took the word "ever" more seriously than I meant it. >I was just wondering if you made any distinction between books >that aspire to the status of Literature (which Ellis's seem to) >and books that aspire to be good SF (which I assume Cadigan's >seem to). Whether or not someone cares about the quality of their writing makes a great deal of difference to me. I can tell from reading whether they do or not. What -kind- of book they've written doesn't factor. I may not like Ellis's writing but I can see very well that he cares about what he's doing. If people don't really care about the quality of their writing then I don't care either. I usually don't even care enough to bother finishing, which I did with "Less Than Zero". If you tried then I'll try. I feel the same way about movies. I thought "Wild At Heart" was wildly uneven but I saw it through to the end because it was obviously a product of love and effort and was in its way attempting something daring. I have great respect for that. Actually I have more respect for a noble failure than I have for something that aims and succeeds at being enjoyable and largely ephemeral. This is one reason I'd be a bad critic. Anywayz...... So I guess I'm saying, no, "genre fiction" is actually kind of a meaningless term to me. It's not about "literary" vs. "non-literary" with me either. This is not how my world is organized. There are good books and bad books and there is the effort itself which I respect or don't according to my own subjective lights. I AM unable to turn off the bad writing detector tho. I make no apologies for that. Fortunately there's enough good writing in the world to keep most individuals busy for centuries. loveonya, susan Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 17:19:08 -0700 From: "victorian squid" Subject: Re: August 23rd - --- On Wed, 30 May 2001 11:54:05 James Dignan wrote: >Why assume it's a musical date? Indeed. It's also the day Doug and I went to the county courthouse and got our papers. This was not done on purpose. It was simply the most convenient day that week. loveonya, susan Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 20:38:43 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Feg Chine too On Tuesday, May 29, 2001, at 12:43 PM, 3 Rose Cottage wrote: > I cant believe I was doing SF/fantasy and forgot Tim Powers, especially > The Anubus Gates, The Stress of Her Regard or On Stranger Tides. Its > great, strange, intelligent fantasy/horror. Powers fans might also want to take a look at James P. Blaylock and K.W. Jeter. These three were acolytes of P.K. Dick, and continue to be fellow travelers. Powers and Blaylock even have a fictional character they both use, poet and adventurer Sir William Ashbless - Ode To Those Lost At Sea by William Ashbless Bursting his gravity chains with a full-throat cry, From his eeled grotto, lunatic, Neptune Has flung his emerald arms into the sky. I, afloat with Zephyrous a-billowing the cloth Am flung into a no-man's land of spray And crack and hoot amid roiling demons That twitch our floundering vessel roundabout. Then, just when that guest of spring winks in, Helios, calming the waves with an outflung hand, We rocket off on a mad bedraggled couch, Our makeshift lifeboat, borne directionless. What salt-encrusted, green-sea vision is this, This multitude of disinherit souls That nest like sea birds all about me? One speaks: "We are the men Direction scorned When he handed round charts Of destiny ... our dooms were preordained And we've no commerce with those of you Whose courses from the outset were drawn straight And whose bloody corpses, goggle-eyed, approach us! Ah! Now at last they come, the Vegetable Gods... Piping through, with banners On which are stitched the humiliation of us all. http://www.dnai.com/~zane/iwas/iwas.html http://online.valencia.cc.fl.us/drogers/lectures.htm - - Steve __________ It is one thing for a software company to hype a product and then fail to deliver; it is another when the failure concerns nuclear weapons, for which "vaporware" takes on a whole new, literal meaning. - The Editors of Scientific American, on SDI ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 19:23:12 -0700 From: "victorian squid" Subject: and I was very intreeged On Tue, 29 May 2001 16:16:03 3 Rose Cottage wrote: >And non-SF, but the woman writers thread--Id add Alison Lurie, especially >Foreign Affairs and The Truth about Loren Jones. Oh you know, I forgot one of my own favorites, Anita Loos. "Gentlemen Prefer Blondes" is a bit dated but still surprisingly dead on and very funny. Try and find the Penguin edition which also includes the sequel "Gentlemen Marry Brunettes". It's not quite as good but they really should be read together. (I feel compelled to add that the movie starring Marilyn Monroe and Jane Russell bears little or no relation to the book outside of sharing its name) Also her autobiographical "A Girl Like I" is out of print but worth seeking out. >And for Feg sensibility--Im suprised no one has ever mentioned Arthur Machen >and Algernon Blackwood. Both authors are great at invoking the shifting Strangely I've wracked my brains trying to think of feggish books that haven't been mentioned and can't. I do think a lot of fegs would probably really like "The Professor and The Madman" tho. If you're not familiar with it, the overly simple version is that it's the true story of a schizophrenic criminal and his massive contribution to the OED :). loveonya, susan Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 22:54:24 -0400 From: "brian nupp" Subject: Re: Happy the Golden Prince >From: =b-AYARD: nuppsta, > >what's the source? is this a radio or print interview? > >ripping the radar rehearsals, >=b It's from Eddie's www.feedthefish.org: http://www.feedthefish.org/archive/86/043086.html >On Tue, 29 May >2001, brian nupp wrote: > > > Um...oh, I wrote that in 1980. I was playing the guitar in a basement, >and I > > thought of Happy the Golden Prince as a, sort of, Chinese lad wandering > > through the patty fields. But I went away and wrote it up, and in fact >it > > turned out to be about a penis (which is completely different). And then >we > > had that chant at the end. That was originally gonna go on Black Snake > > Diamond Role. But I've got other stuff from that same session which > > fortunately hasn't got any lewd or erotic content in it, and that's >being > > released. > > -Robyn Hitchcock > > April 30 1986 > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 21:22:09 -0700 (PDT) From: =b Subject: Re: Feg Chine > BBC news thing posted by Dignan bout cliff collapse on the Isle of Wight: > >Walkers were in the Shanklin Chine area > As one of the interested-in-words Fegs, Ive got to ask--whats a -Chine- and > how is it pronounced? check out "let's go thundering," in which a chine appears near a juicy chasm. it may be right up your alley! :) it means a crest or ridge, or can also mean the spine of an animal. =b advertisements for songs: http://hotmusic.excite.com/100greatestvideos ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 23:22:53 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Feels like August 23rd >August 23rd 1970: Lou Reed plays his last gig with the Velvet Underground at >Max's Kansas City. (well besides the reunion gigs) August 23, 1990: The long-time family dog had to be put to sleep. I did something unusual, today. A Disney-employed friend signed me into both Disneyland and the newly opened California Adventure park. I hadn't gone to Disneyland since 1987, even though I'm only 15-20 minutes away. Sorry, Eddie...I couldn't find any more anally violated pencil sharpeners. In fact, there wasn't much of an "ass" motif in play at all, unless you count the spitting backside of a giant, 3D-animated stinkbug. In the California Adventure park, I kept hearing carnival-esque, instrumental arrangements of Beach Boys hits ("California Girls," "Wouldn't It Be Nice," "Good Vibrations"...), and mused how poor Brian presumably doesn't make a dime from this, thanks to his pigheaded, pusillanimous pappy. Blah. Eb np: Jason Falkner/Necessity: The 4-Track Years ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 02:43:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: Feels like August 23rd On Tue, 29 May 2001, Eb wrote: > In the California Adventure park, I kept hearing carnival-esque, > instrumental arrangements of Beach Boys hits ("California Girls," "Wouldn't > It Be Nice," "Good Vibrations"...), and mused how poor Brian presumably > doesn't make a dime from this, thanks to his pigheaded, pusillanimous > pappy. Blah. I thought that he managed to get rights back to those. IIRC, Mike Love didn't sue for credit until Brian got the rights back, because there wasn't any money involved. Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://www.unlikeminerva.com The Nice (an organization for comic strips) http://nice.purrsia.com normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 23:59:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Eclipse Subject: Re: Feg Chine too On Tue, 29 May 2001, 3 Rose Cottage wrote: > Carole: > You read Lapidary J and Beadwork too! Does that mean you -do- beadwork? > Just this fall I had my first show (with some paintings and needlework too) > and actually sold stuff--including this long embellished in a thousand ways > circular-funky-peoyte stitch animal/vegtable snake of many colors which, > well, looked like it came out of a Robyn song. > What sort of jewlery or beading do you do? > Does anyone else like to do craftwork? did you mean me? or did i miss email from Carole? i read Lapidary J and Beadwork/Bead & Button - i do some beading, but nothing like beadwork, mostly stringing larger beads, making necklaces, etc. what i'm really into, though, is silversmithing, and i hope to do more of it in the future. i just finished two classes offered by local Adult Ed/CC, but it's unavailable during the summer as it's taught at a local high school by a high school teacher. i'm hoping to do some basic lapidary arts work soon, too. i've got nothing good enough to sell yet, and it's an expensive hobby, but i hope to turn it into my profession someday and leave this damn computer industry behind. :) patiently, Eclipse - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Eclipse | eclipse@best.com If this is not what you expected, please alter your expectations. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 11:35:55 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Happy the Golden Prince On Tue, 29 May 2001, brian nupp wrote: > > > Um...oh, I wrote that in 1980. I was playing the guitar in a basement, > >and I > > > thought of Happy the Golden Prince as a, sort of, Chinese lad wandering > > > through the patty fields. *paddy fields (they are wet fields where rice is grown) - - Mike "Oh this fiery height! Oh my feet of fire!" Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:11:06 -0400 From: "brian nupp" Subject: Re: Feels like August 23rd > >August 23rd 1970: Lou Reed plays his last gig with the Velvet Underground >at > >Max's Kansas City. (well besides the reunion gigs) > >August 23, 1990: The long-time family dog had to be put to sleep. There are only 364/5 days in a year and a whole lot more events and people in comparison. I guess it's no surprise so many things happen(ed) on this day. ;) I'm sure nothing is a coincidence. Nuppy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:01:13 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Feg Chine On Tue, 29 May 2001, matt sewell wrote: > A chine is, I think, a kind of chasm often found between cliffs on > beaches... anyone? It's pronounced to rhyme with spine... My favourite > chine: Whale Chine Followed by: Blackgang Chine... The Webster's site at: http://humanities.uchicago.edu/forms_unrest/webster.form.html defines it as Chine (?), n. [Cf. Chink.] A chink or cleft; a narrow and deep ravine; as, Shanklin Chine in the Isle of Wight, a quarter of a mile long and 230 feet deep. [Prov. Eng.] "The cottage in a chine." J. Ingelow. Other chines I have come across include Alim Chine, Branksome Chine, Boscombe Chine, Upper Chine and Durley Chine. They all seem to be in the Isle of Wight and Hampshire area, so it is obviously a very local word. - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 08:20:47 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Feg Chine too At 08:38 PM 5/29/01 -0500, steve wrote: >Powers fans might also want to take a look at James P. Blaylock and K.W. >Jeter. These three were acolytes of P.K. Dick, and continue to be fellow >travelers. The worst book I can remember reading - and finishing - was K.W. Jeter's sequel to "Blade Runner." I'm not sure what motivated me to read this tripe, beyond adoring the film. Not much in common with Dick, in my opinion. If anything, he seemed more an acolyte of Ridley Scott and the cyberpunks. But that's just based on one novel, which was something of a hack-job. Perhaps his other works are more thoughtful and less derivative. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 10:52:24 -0500 From: "Mike wells" Subject: Paging Kay W TO: Ms. Wisniewski FROM: Michael Got your package. Lost your email (I have no idea what happened...). Please email me, thanks. Michael "If I looked like Hermie the dentist, it would definately have to be a Scarfe production" mwells@imageworksmfg.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:13:48 -0000 From: "3 Rose Cottage" Subject: In coral and in jade Elipse: >did you mean me? or did i miss email from Carole? i read Lapidary J and >Beadwork/Bead & Button - i do some beading, but nothing like beadwork, >mostly stringing larger beads, making necklaces, etc. what i'm really >into, though, is silversmithing, and i hope to do more of it in the >future. i just finished two classes offered by local Adult Ed/CC, but >it's unavailable during the summer as it's taught at a local high school >by a high school teacher. i'm hoping to do some basic lapidary arts work >soon, too. i've got nothing good enough to sell yet, and it's an >expensive hobby, but i hope to turn it into my profession someday and >leave this damn computer industry behind. :) My, yesterday I just couldnt get anything right. Sorry--yes it must have been you. Yes, the smithing part is really cool, thou I also daydream of glassblowing. Both require money and time for classes(and fire--outch;-), plus I have more than enough leisure-time activities already. Part of the reason I learned--I also make necklaces n earings n stuff--is cause I wanted jewlery I couldn't afford. Learning to use a pair of needlenose plyers, wire and findings isnt that tough. Also--you can pick up materials already made into ugly stuff in thrifts--then just deassemble and put together in a better way. Ive even picked up found stuff--rusted lost hardware off the street, beach-combing stuff, fimo-homemade beads--nuts--its amazing what alittle shellac and a drilled hole will do;-)--especially if you combine it in with better stuff in a postmodern -arent I arty?- sorta way. People will actually buy it! And then youve got the cash to buy the amythyst, seed pearls, and coral(youve already collected the sea -glass)for your own wonderful adornment. Or, let me guess, you're already doing that?:-) - --Do any of the other fegfems indulge in this sort of stuff? Kay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 11:08:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Re: In coral and in jade On Wed, 30 May 2001, 3 Rose Cottage wrote: > Part of the reason I learned--I also make necklaces n earings n stuff--is > cause I wanted jewlery I couldn't afford. Learning to use a pair of > needlenose plyers, wire and findings isnt that tough. Also--you can pick up > materials already made into ugly stuff in thrifts--then just deassemble and > put together in a better way. Ive even picked up found stuff--rusted lost > hardware off the street, beach-combing stuff, fimo-homemade beads--nuts--its > amazing what alittle shellac and a drilled hole will do;-)--especially if > you combine it in with better stuff in a postmodern -arent I arty?- sorta > way. People will actually buy it! And then youve got the cash to buy the > amythyst, seed pearls, and coral(youve already collected the sea -glass)for > your own wonderful adornment. > Or, let me guess, you're already doing that?:-) > --Do any of the other fegfems indulge in this sort of stuff? I used to make a lot of jewelry in high school, and I still occasionally wear a necklace I made out of a leather shoelace and an antique key. It's dumb, but it makes me feel tough. I recently made a necklace that gets quite a few compliments. It's extremely busy and gaudy... lots of different beads: a scarab, a fish, an elephant, a bee, an old glass bead with an anchor inside, several beads that look like alien seedpods, and many many green beads of various shades and shapes. It's two strands that don't hang quite level, they sort of intertwine and comingle messily. I consider it a reasonable reflection of myself, as much as any piece of jewelry could be expected to reflect a human personality. Vivien ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #219 ********************************